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Captin ShadowHawk Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:41:00 - [1] Which ship has the edge in pvp?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:43:00 - [2] 1v1, I'd say the Myrm if both ships are piloted by pilots of equal skills. A nosmyrm can suck the Drake dry while dampening it so it can't fight back with its missiles. FOR THE EMPEROR! The Fifth NtV (Noob to Vet) Lottery
Justice Bringer Minmatar United Univers	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:50:00 - [3] I'd go for the Myrmidon, but pilots with good skills in either sets of weapons could fight to a stand still. Brutix would pawn both of them though Justice
Kunming Amarr Outcasts	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus 1v1, I'd say the Myrm if both ships are piloted by pilots of equal skills. A nosmyrm can suck the Drake dry while dampening it so it can't fight back with its missiles. Passive shield tank? FoF? FoF tend to go for the drones first so the myrm is gonna be weaponless unless he gets into close range to scoop/re-launch drones, at which point the damps will be useless. Both ships are very powerful and only setups/counter-setups will work out the outcome of this one.. its definetly not one sided! Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
LordZer00 Caldari Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:49:00 - [5] If its actually a 1 vs 1 then chances are the Drake can't be running passive. A passive tank that, in general, will stand up to the damage the Myrm is putting out won't allow for web\scram and thus, even if you kill the drones you can't stop the Myrm from leaving any time it wishes. So kinda comes down to it being situational. If its under real pvp conditions, I'd say the Myrm.
Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:05:00 - [6] It depends on the fittings. If the Myrm doesn't use 5 Nos or uses Heavy Drones and that Drake pilot has any clues what he's doing the Drake would own that Myrmidon. If the Myrmidon pilot would use blasters and medium drones (and as a result less Nos), it'd be a more interesting fight. I can think of Drake setups that would wipe the floor with a Myrmidon, but there's also plenty situations where the Drake would go down. For generic PvP I'd rate a Myrmidon over a Drake simply because of the versatility. A Drake is predictable and predictable ships are easy to deal with. Pitting them against eachother, I wouldn't put my money on either :-) Originally by: "Cy4n1d3" You can't PVP with 4 mids.
Mathias Orsen Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.01.08 06:57:00 - [7] if both pilots know how to use thier ship.... the myrmidon will win every time. I got my alt, wich is pure caldari trained, a drake. Spent almost 2 days trying to get the drake to stand even close to my myrmidon. Tried both active and passive tanks, medium boosters, and large booster (Pith B-type even). Result ended up being.. Drake could tank the myrmidon till cap died, but didn't do enough damage to break the myrmidon's. That or the Drake did enough damage that the myrmidon noticed it, but the tank would not hold good enough where the myrm's tank still held up enough to need no worries. Bottom line.. Myrmidon is strong in both damage and tank. The Drake can only be strong in one of these. Then the stong point of the drake is not quite strong enough. Some people might dis-agree, but I'll put my money where my mouth is on that one. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.08 07:23:00 - [8] myrmidon = mini nos domi. It shouldn't have any problems with a drake. Just launch rescoop drones as long as you have to, and if you have damps, it'll take him ages to lock him. FoF go for different drones every time, with decent drone skills, the drones will hardly notice it. (FoF damage is 1/2 also.) All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.08 09:33:00 - [9] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 08/01/2007 09:30:20 DELETED, wtf was I thinking. For some reason I read "drake" as "hurricane" It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 11:02:00 - [10] Being a drake pilot myself, I've been in the situation where I've had no cap on a passive tank yet could still do enough damage to make the (domi) warp out but if I was damped as well I'd think I'd have a very hard time to get out of that situation. Nos & Damp is probably a drakes worst nightmare, due to the fact if you lose your cap on a active tank your stuffed, and on a passive you lose your invul fields leaving you with less resistance and also no means to MWD out (if you setup like that). Out damaging is your only get out as long as your passive tank will hold out but dampening is just the final blow as well as if you can't do that your totally fudged! ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!

Galen Silas Gallente Mean Corp	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux It depends on the fittings. If the Myrm doesn't use 5 Nos or uses Heavy Drones and that Drake pilot has any clues what he's doing the Drake would own that Myrmidon. If the Myrmidon pilot would use blasters and medium drones (and as a result less Nos), it'd be a more interesting fight. I can think of Drake setups that would wipe the floor with a Myrmidon, but there's also plenty situations where the Drake would go down. For generic PvP I'd rate a Myrmidon over a Drake simply because of the versatility. A Drake is predictable and predictable ships are easy to deal with. Pitting them against eachother, I wouldn't put my money on either :-) I haven't fought a drake yet that can beat my myrmidon setup, either on tranq or singularity, and i challenge one who thinks they can.
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Galen Silas I haven't fought a drake yet that can beat my myrmidon setup, either on tranq or singularity, and i challenge one who thinks they can. I could think of a way but it would be a specialised setup, not something I'd like to fly everyday (Oh and thats not a challenge ) ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
FireMonk Caldari black viper corp	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:58:00 - [13] Honestly i would say the drake pilot would win but only if he is using a passive set-up. Then he could just wipe out all of the myrmidons drones with the missiles whether it was dampened or not. This would mean the myrm has suffered a huge damage reduction. But if the drake is active tanked then i would say the myrm would win. --------------------- Originally by: Benglada Theres two people in eve. People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING" And the people who say "Wow, That o
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:15:00 - [14] Originally by: FireMonk Honestly i would say the drake pilot would win but only if he is using a passive set-up. Then he could just wipe out all of the myrmidons drones with the missiles whether it was dampened or not. This would mean the myrm has suffered a huge damage reduction. But if the drake is active tanked then i would say the myrm would win. Oh good point yeah even if I was dampened I'd be in range of the drones and then he wouldn't be doing enough dmg to break my tank ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
Zoe Sedai	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Greyshadow Originally by: Galen Silas I haven't fought a drake yet that can beat my myrmidon setup, either on tranq or singularity, and i challenge one who thinks they can. I could think of a way but it would be a specialised setup, not something I'd like to fly everyday (Oh and thats not a challenge ) Hehe if we're going with specialized setups, I'm using Sentry drones with a nos/damp Myrm Seriously though, I use a more of a gank setup than most myrm pilots (1 med nos and the rest small blasters in my highs) and I've never had an issue breaking a Drake's tank with a target painter for dmg and a cap injector fitted to keep my dual reps running. I think the deciding factor is the Myrm pilot's drone abilities - T2 Ogres with Drone Interfacing 4 or 5 will make a huge difference over somebody with 2 levels of heavy drones and no/low DI skill.
Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Greyshadow Originally by: FireMonk Honestly i would say the drake pilot would win but only if he is using a passive set-up. Then he could just wipe out all of the myrmidons drones with the missiles whether it was dampened or not. This would mean the myrm has suffered a huge damage reduction. But if the drake is active tanked then i would say the myrm would win. Oh good point yeah even if I was dampened I'd be in range of the drones and then he wouldn't be doing enough dmg to break my tank Do they shoot your drones? .. .. .. Thought so. When people catch up and finally start killing drones Myrm doesn't look so good anymore. Originally by: "Cy4n1d3" You can't PVP with 4 mids.
Zoe Sedai	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Originally by: Greyshadow Originally by: FireMonk Honestly i would say the drake pilot would win but only if he is using a passive set-up. Then he could just wipe out all of the myrmidons drones with the missiles whether it was dampened or not. This would mean the myrm has suffered a huge damage reduction. But if the drake is active tanked then i would say the myrm would win. Oh good point yeah even if I was dampened I'd be in range of the drones and then he wouldn't be doing enough dmg to break my tank Do they shoot your drones? .. .. .. Thought so. When people catch up and finally start killing drones Myrm doesn't look so good anymore. They try. I orbit at 500m due to using small blasters, so scooping/deploying drones is a non-issue for me.
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Zoe Sedai When people catch up and finally start killing drones Myrm doesn't look so good anymore. They try. I orbit at 500m due to using small blasters, so scooping/deploying drones is a non-issue for me. If you orbit that close then I'll be laying the blows onto you as well then as you can't damp me that low, and at which point it becomes a close fight and you can't assure a 100% success, more like whos tanks will give up first ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
Zoe Sedai	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Zoe Sedai on 08/01/2007 17:05:19 Originally by: Greyshadow Originally by: Zoe Sedai When people catch up and finally start killing drones Myrm doesn't look so good anymore. They try. I orbit at 500m due to using small blasters, so scooping/deploying drones is a non-issue for me. If you orbit that close then I'll be laying the blows onto you as well then as you can't damp me that low, and at which point it becomes a close fight and you can't assure a 100% success, more like whos tanks will give up first I don't use damps (I think you got my comedy setup confused with my normal one)... I use 1 med nos with a rack of small nuetron blasters up top, the standard MWD/Web/Scram with a target painter and cap injector in my mids, and dual reps/a 1600 plate/3 hardeners in the lows. Like I said, it's not your normal Myrm setup but it works damn well.
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Zoe Sedai I don't use damps (I think you got my comedy setup with my normal one)... I use 1 med nos with a rack of small nuetron blasters up top, the standard MWD/Web/Scram with a target painter and cap injector in my mids, and dual reps/a 1600 plate/3 hardeners in the lows. Like I said, it's not your normal Myrm setup but it works damn well. Sounds like a beefed up thorax setup to me, and I fly the rax and know how tough that can be... so you having the added tank and more dmg output I'm sure you are a handful on the battlefield fair play to you ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!

Zoe Sedai	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Greyshadow Originally by: Zoe Sedai I don't use damps (I think you got my comedy setup with my normal one)... I use 1 med nos with a rack of small nuetron blasters up top, the standard MWD/Web/Scram with a target painter and cap injector in my mids, and dual reps/a 1600 plate/3 hardeners in the lows. Like I said, it's not your normal Myrm setup but it works damn well. Sounds like a beefed up thorax setup to me, and I fly the rax and know how tough that can be... so you having the added tank and more dmg output I'm sure you are a handful on the battlefield fair play to you That's actually what inspired the setup - and just like the Thorax, nos is the biggest threat to me
steveid Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:35:00 - [22] equal skilled pilots i dont think either pilot could break the others tank provided they both go passive and have a couple of nos'. If either goes active, he dies.
Amouder Dis	Posted - 2007.01.08 20:20:00 - [23] Originally by: steveid equal skilled pilots i dont think either pilot could break the others tank provided they both go passive and have a couple of nos'. If either goes active, he dies. huh? you CAN passive shield tank a myrm, but... i dont know why you would want to.
Sgt Blade Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:54:00 - [24] i find that testing with a old corp mate of mine that assuming i dont get into the mym's nos range i an kil it in my drake. once im webbed and nosed to death then id slowly die Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.09 09:40:00 - [25] So the crunch to this topic is... Drake (Active) vs Myrmidon (Nos) = Myrmidon Drake (Passive) vs Myrmidon (Nos) = Drake (if you take out the drones) Drake (Passive) vs Myrmidon (Dmg setup) = 50/50 Drake (Active) vs Myrmidon (Dmg setup) = 50/50 Seems to be what I understand from comments so far. ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
Mathias Orsen D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.09 11:45:00 - [26] at 500m combat... If the myrmidon can run it's tank, it can tank anything the drake puts at it. My myrmidon has no problem tanking HAMs supported by BCUs. Most cases against a decent pvp drake, two drakes are tankable if using Heavy missiles. Both using HAMs can bring the tank down slowly... then again, some myrmidons are tanked better than most. As for a passive tank being able to beat a nosf myrm... Passive tank is to weak to hold up against 5 ogre IIs. 5x Ogre I's with low drone skills would be tankable with easy though... but we can mention the drake pilot as one with next to no skills for shields also. Guess When It comes down to it... Drake VS Myrm when both pilots have max skills for the ship they are in..... Myrmidon wins. I'd put my drake on the card table for a dual that thinks otherwise. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Mathias Orsen As for a passive tank being able to beat a nosf myrm... Passive tank is to weak to hold up against 5 ogre IIs. 5x Ogre I's with low drone skills would be tankable with easy though... but we can mention the drake pilot as one with next to no skills for shields also. I'd put my drake on the card table for a dual that thinks otherwise. Hmmm I still think 'nos myrm' and 'pas drake' would be a good knock about, I agree if I didn't take care of your drones I'd be in trouble but I think you under-estimate a decent skilled passive tank. Don't get me wrong though I know what you Doom boys are like after flying with you lot when I was in TRI, your not one to talk rubbish. Think I need to do some testing ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
Kruel Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:14:00 - [28] In most cases I'd put my money on the Myrm, but if the Drake pilot used FOFs, he might be able to take out the drones, and then the Myrm wouldn't have a chance.
Mathias Orsen D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Kruel In most cases I'd put my money on the Myrm, but if the Drake pilot used FOFs, he might be able to take out the drones, and then the Myrm wouldn't have a chance. natural shield recharge on drones would cover for the minor damage that FoF would do.. little exageration, but not much. those missiles will go to different drones. More than useless actually. Best bet is to target a drone and hit it with 7 launchers of HAM's. You should hit the drones armor with one salvo. Scoop and deploy tactics will make it take some time to kill the drones, but it's possable with a little luck. the whole thing is though... FoF are the last thing you want to use against 6 targets... -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
Mathias Orsen D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Kruel In most cases I'd put my money on the Myrm, but if the Drake pilot used FOFs, he might be able to take out the drones, and then the Myrm wouldn't have a chance. natural shield recharge on drones would cover for the minor damage that FoF would do.. little exageration, but not much. those missiles will go to different drones. More than useless actually. Best bet is to target a drone and hit it with 7 launchers of HAM's. You should hit the drones armor with one salvo. Scoop and deploy tactics will make it take some time to kill the drones, but it's possable with a little luck. the whole thing is though... FoF are the last thing you want to use against 6 targets... -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"

Gamble Dakota Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.01.11 02:09:00 - [31] I haven't run any of these, but is the Myrm's tank and damage really that impressive? On my Drake I'm picking 13k+ shields with a massive recharge rate and great resists on my Passive, and with all 8 launcher slots filled and dual BCS II's and great heavy missile skills I do scary damage against any cruiser or larger. Assuming I pack an X5 web as opposed to my last hardener would that be better spent on keeping the Myrm still or picking off the drones? Target painter? TP Drones? I just came back (left before Rev.) and I've yet to encounter a Myrm but the Drake is ferocious for PVE. I'm hesitant to engage in pvp with it until I hear more though. I find the correct answer is rarely the truthful one.
KillmAll187	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Gamble Dakota I haven't run any of these, but is the Myrm's tank and damage really that impressive? On my Drake I'm picking 13k+ shields with a massive recharge rate and great resists on my Passive, and with all 8 launcher slots filled and dual BCS II's and great heavy missile skills I do scary damage against any cruiser or larger. Assuming I pack an X5 web as opposed to my last hardener would that be better spent on keeping the Myrm still or picking off the drones? Target painter? TP Drones? I just came back (left before Rev.) and I've yet to encounter a Myrm but the Drake is ferocious for PVE. I'm hesitant to engage in pvp with it until I hear more though. Let's just say I do close to 900 dps in a gank-setup Myrm. I don't think youll be tanking that for very long.
cflux Caldari FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Mathias Orsen at 500m combat... If the myrmidon can run it's tank, it can tank anything the drake puts at it. My myrmidon has no problem tanking HAMs supported by BCUs. Most cases against a decent pvp drake, two drakes are tankable if using Heavy missiles. Both using HAMs can bring the tank down slowly... then again, some myrmidons are tanked better than most. As for a passive tank being able to beat a nosf myrm... Passive tank is to weak to hold up against 5 ogre IIs. 5x Ogre I's with low drone skills would be tankable with easy though... but we can mention the drake pilot as one with next to no skills for shields also. Guess When It comes down to it... Drake VS Myrm when both pilots have max skills for the ship they are in..... Myrmidon wins. I'd put my drake on the card table for a dual that thinks otherwise. These are 100% similar to my own findings from sisi and real tranq pvp experience with the drake. Listen to that guy, he knows what he is talking about. If we are talking competant pilots with pvp experience, drake has no way in hell beating myrmidon, expect in a comedy setup made just to beat them. Passive or active dosn't mean a thing in this fight. If the myrmi pilot knows how to scoop&relaunch, gets to 1k orbit and such, the drake pilot is dead. In a record time. Maybe, if drake had one more medslot, giving it an active web and few more slowslots to get rid of the sluggish manuverability of caldari, it might be a match for myrmidon. But now at is stands, drake is good in gangs, again Caldari is not your race if you want to fly alone. But since most of EVEO thinks drake as new wave of caldari solo PVP, there is no way in hell we can hope drake to be actually decked out to fulfill that role. (and this is coming from a guy who has ganked t2 tanked ravens npcing with a drake, solo. But to give you the blunt damn truth, thats doable in a god damn caracal) --
Galen Silas Gallente Mean Corp	Posted - 2007.01.11 05:35:00 - [34] I have seen a few ideas about shooting drones to get em out of the way, just as easy to dock em up real quick and redeploy. Imo just get close and do your magic, and while the drake focus's on your drones redock em and then redeploy, and if he is smart he wont bother with it that much realizing its no use. There are possibilities that a drake can beat a myrm just like a taranis can kill a brutix, just some advice, i use the myrm exactly what is was intended for.
Gamble Dakota Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.01.11 05:52:00 - [35] Assuming a 900DPS gank setup though, your tank can't be present, and with that sort of power I'm assuming exceptionally short ranged weapons, making you extremely vulnerable to that X5 web. Of course, I could be horribly wrong and you could still jank me from 10k away. My tank holds fairly well against unassisted Ogre II's (on a fellow with decent drone skills), but I have no idea on what a myrm tank is like so I can't say if it's long enough. I won't be taking the Drake out solo for quite a while, and not till after I'm long comfortable with it and can afford to replace it easily, so for now I'll take your word for it. I find the correct answer is rarely the truthful one.
pumkinlumpkin	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:04:00 - [36] Hmmm I am not going to tell ya mysetup but i can tank a carrier with 10 level 4 fighters. People need to play around with the setup more on the drake
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:52:00 - [37] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 18/02/2007 19:51:44 Drake. Myrm pilot relies on their drones for dps, once those are gone he is royally screwed. You can scoop drones and redeploy that doesn't mean it will work, remember you need DPS to kill your target. Even with the nos on the drake, a good pilot will have great shield recharge time and will run an injector and inject only when he needs to. Put it this way, against minmatar and caldari pilots nos boats are pretty much ineffective. Don't hate me, learn to love me
Drazin DawnTreader	Posted - 2007.02.18 19:56:00 - [38] I tend to agree. The Drakes 100% passive tank setups make for one hell of a nut to *****. 1 Myrm alone couldn't do it. We're talking 250hp/sec shield regen and 60-80% resists. And now with SPR II's ingame... Of course -that- drake isnt gonna kill anything either. I will say that the Majority of the time, a Myrm will crush a Drake. Then there are times where the Myrm just cant break the Drakes tank and gives up or runs out of ammo trying.
Inquis Eisenhorn Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:21:00 - [39] Hasnt anyone heard of a passive nos drake? A ships a fool to fight a station
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Inquis Eisenhorn Hasnt anyone heard of a passive nos drake? And how exactly does that kill anything? ------

Feng Schui Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:06:00 - [41] it saddens me that i haven't killed anything yet in my drake.. though, i've only been in 2 fights, both times going against people that are 3+ years my senior. it did take them 30min+ to kill me. (one was a 1v1, other time was a 1v2). (Drake btw...)
Slash Harnet Minmatar Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:22:00 - [42] Are TechII heavies a necessary part of a PVP myrmi? I can only use TechII mediums, so I've been flying with mostly 5x warrior II 5x valkyrie II 2x berserker I signature removed ... Pirlouit I finally got my sig nerfed once, I feel like a forum warrior!
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2007.02.19 01:55:00 - [43] What I want to see is how well a PvP Myrm that tackles for sentry drones would work. If you're up close and personal and your sentry drones are 30 km (gardes) to 80 + km (whatever the long range ones are) out, they wouldn't be able to be killed.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:06:00 - [44] Myrmidon wins. It can damp the Drake and just recall drones every 30 seconds or so making it impossible for the Drake to lock it. A couple NOS ensures that the Drake has no cap and must be 100% passive to have any hopes of tanking, and if they use FoFs, which won't be possible if they use HAMLs, then you'll just have to micromanage your drones, instead of watching TV as they die. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Maeltstome	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:15:00 - [45] read the Myrm's bonus - doesnt say anything about a damage bonus to Hybrids. full rack of medium T2 projs and you'll mince a drake, hands down. Stick on 2nos if you like - but and good Myrm pilot will dual Rep imo. Include bonus's, and you got one sick tank with some sick DPS on T2 drones. (of which you should have 15). P.S. Passive drake in solo pvp - what where you thinking.
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:52:00 - [46] Myrmidon NOS-Myrmidon is laughable. But try her with Blasters. A Blaster-Myrmidon can take out Ravens with ease. I have no problem with that. Ions II with Ogre II = win against all BC. Even multiple cruisers are no problem. I ran into a 6 man UNL gang yesterday, all cruisers. Well.......it wasnt their day I guess..... Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
Franconis	Posted - 2007.02.19 09:21:00 - [47] Some myrmidon setups can break a drake's tank, some can't. That depends on how the two ships are setup. I usually go for a neut setup on my myrmidons, so any active tanks are boned. I won't be the guy to break a passive drake tank, but there's no way a drake will ever beat my myrmidon 1v1.
JTKevin89 Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.02.19 09:26:00 - [48] myrmidon will win 99999 out of 100000 i hav killed many noobie and experienced drakes... tranq and sisi. the only drake that didnt die as quick was a nano drake >.< lol it done 2.3 k and my drones were maybe hitting every 2-3rd shot=[ but i managed to kill it with hammer II's 0.o so BC 5 + any drone = wtfbbqtime!
HellsRazor Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:06:00 - [49] Edited by: HellsRazor on 19/02/2007 11:02:34 I will kill any BC 1 v 1 my DRAKE t2 setup. skill for skill.. DRAKE will win. But people are right caldari a gang race we need mid slot to tank so its not practical to fit web mwd tackle in the shield tanking slots.. thats like making armour tankers using lows for web scram and mwd only.. but i WOULD fit a tackle mod on my DRAKE and own all BC t2 fitted except those with insane sp. :p but sp for sp.. ;p good times
HellsRazor Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:18:00 - [50] and the dude talking about dampeners on myr.... :) ok ill eat you and your drones with fof. :) but tbh i dont think id need them.

HellsRazor Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:19:00 - [51] Originally by: ChalSto Myrmidon NOS-Myrmidon is laughable. But try her with Blasters. A Blaster-Myrmidon can take out Ravens with ease. I have no problem with that. Ions II with Ogre II = win against all BC. Even multiple cruisers are no problem. I ran into a 6 man UNL gang yesterday, all cruisers. Well.......it wasnt their day I guess..... run into me.
JTKevin89 Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:57:00 - [52] i would luv to run into a drake that puts up a proper fight ^^ cos right now i have ceased to find one in solo or gang warfare... and drone intf 5 and gallante dronespec 5 and BC 5 will pwn mostly all drakes hands down.
JTKevin89 Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:57:00 - [53] i would luv to run into a drake that puts up a proper fight ^^ cos right now i have ceased to find one in solo or gang warfare... and drone intf 5 and gallante dronespec 5 and BC 5 will pwn mostly all drakes hands down.
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:02:00 - [54] Originally by: Greyshadow So the crunch to this topic is... Drake (Active) vs Myrmidon (Nos) = Myrmidon Drake (Passive) vs Myrmidon (Nos) = Drake (if you take out the drones) Drake (Passive) vs Myrmidon (Dmg setup) = 50/50 Drake (Active) vs Myrmidon (Dmg setup) = 50/50 Seems to be what I understand from comments so far. That seems about right. I fly a Myrm and my buddy flies a Drake, and we've both tried different setups against each other. FYI invuld fields are bad for a passive Drake when fighting a Nosmyrm.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:06:00 - [55] Most of you have yet to fly into a real pvper it seems. Drake is a really nasty ship to fight against. Don't hate me, learn to love me
Franconis	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:09:00 - [56] Originally by: HellsRazor and the dude talking about dampeners on myr.... :) ok ill eat you and your drones with fof. :) but tbh i dont think id need them. FoF missiles only reach as far as your targeting range. If you are damped down past 10km targeting range, you'll never hit the myrmidon. You may hit his drones, but that's why most myrmidon pilots scoop and redelpoy drones that take damage to recharge their shields. Your drake is a sitting duck.
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.20 00:26:00 - [57] Edited by: xenodia on 20/02/2007 00:22:24 Originally by: Captin ShadowHawk Which ship has the edge in pvp? If the myrmidon is medium blaster fitted, he wins. If the myrmidon is Nos fitted, and drake is passive tanked and has FoF, Drake wins. If Myrmidon is Nos Fitted, and drake is active tanked or doesnt have FoF, myrmidon probably wins but skills/luck will decide it. This signature space for rent
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.20 00:29:00 - [58] Originally by: Franconis FoF missiles only reach as far as your targeting range. If you are damped down past 10km targeting range, you'll never hit the myrmidon. You may hit his drones, but that's why most myrmidon pilots scoop and redelpoy drones that take damage to recharge their shields. Your drake is a sitting duck. Myth. Or its been changed. Ive had a raven hit me with FoF cruise missiles at 40k in my arazu... while he had a 10k lock range. This signature space for rent
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.20 02:13:00 - [59] Edited by: Crellion on 20/02/2007 02:09:41 A nicely set up passive Drake is the most dangerous pve-er to gank (in tech I under BS category) because it takes long enough to kill for hope of reinforcements. However I have only once or twice fought really passive Drakes that were profficient (passive hardeners with high comp skills). Mostly Drakes are a pushover. As for a 1v1 fight ... I wouldnt take a Drake against any BC 1v1 because if I win he warps out if I lose I d die. Cant tackle and tank. You could of course use racial jammers but we are talking with no prearranged enemy here... Myrmidon is a better pvp ship thatn the Drake in practical terms. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
teth'eala Caldari Grey Scribes Inc	Posted - 2007.02.20 02:23:00 - [60] i honestly think most of the time it will be stalemate, i've went up against a couple ishtars in my drake before and they simply didn't know what to do when the first thing i did was pop their drones, same goes for myrm, if the drake pilot has half of a mind he's going to pop those drones as fast as he can, chances are that myrm wasn't thinking that he needed more firepower and is going to be bringing a ton of nos which isn't going to be breaking any tank. do you have a loved one that's playing wow? give them a hug and tell tham that if they need a real mmo they can look no farther than eve

EPSILON DELTA	Posted - 2007.02.20 03:31:00 - [61] Edited by: EPSILON DELTA on 20/02/2007 03:29:11 Drake will win, if you count win as the enemy running away first you can passive tank a drake equivilant to an XL booster running non-stop with rigs. second, nos is useless on passive drake with good compensation skills and BC5 running passive hardners third, all drake needs to do is pop the drones, which if you tried yourself is quite easy if its heavy drones and slightly harder if medium, and trust me, it will kill those drones long before they break his tank. so now the mym has no drones and nos dosnt work, what does it do? either sit there and see if his tank holds or run, since it now has no means of attack whatsoever. having said that, if the mym knows what his facing and uses blasters + his drones, that's a whole different story. -------------------------------------------------- Yes I'm a forum alt, what you going to do about it?
Maeltstome	Posted - 2007.02.20 06:37:00 - [62] Will people shut up about "nos is usless on a passive drake". If your flying a passive drake in a 1on1 situation then you need to get a clue. If i thought a drake was passive tanking, i'd nibble away the first 50% with guns then put in the drones to do the real dps and smash through the peak regen, giving them less time to be popped. And oh yea - ever came across a myrm with 2 remote armor reps 4 medium nos and 5 heavy drones? Hell even a medium cap booster and 4 guns would do. Good luck killing that before it eats you in your 'passive drake'
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.02.20 07:50:00 - [63] Just wondering what you reckon to this blaster myrmi against a Drake? Highs 3 x Tech 2 Med Ions 3 x Tech 2 Med Electrons Meds 1 x Named Web 1 x MWD 1 X Warp Disruptor 1 x Best Named Med Injector w 800s Lows 2 x Tech 2 Medium Armor Reps 4 x Tank/Damage Slots
rockswell Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.20 14:59:00 - [64] Myrm of course. It can take down Ravens with ease, why should it have problems with just BC ? I feel that kind of "I take any bc down in my drake" is just a caldari cry about ship that can actually do something in PVP beside exploding in BC class :) http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2605/vagall2.jpg Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allowed. Mail us if you have any questions -Eldo
Tanox	Posted - 2007.02.20 20:48:00 - [65] I really like the Myrmidon, ItÆs a nice little bag of tricks. You never know what you are up against when you encounter a Myrmidon. I personally have not encountered a Drake that did not turn into space junk yet, but of course there is a first time for everything. Currently IÆm playing around with the following setup: High: Heavy electron blaster II: Void / Null Heavy electron blaster II:Void / Null Heavy electron blaster II:Void / Null Heavy electron blaster II: Void / Null Heavy electron blaster II:Void / Null Heavy electron blaster II:Void / Null Mid: Medium electrochemical capacitor booster: 800 Medium electrochemical capacitor booster:800 Warp disruptor 10 NM Microwarp II Fleeting propulsion inhibitor Low: Medium armor repairer II Medium armor repairer II Damage control II EANM II EANM II MFS II Drones: 5x Ogre II / 4x Ogre II & 5x Warrior II DPS with 5x Ogre II, decent skills and a couple of low-ISK implants: around 700. PS: Not on this character ofcourse.
Drazin DawnTreader	Posted - 2007.02.20 21:42:00 - [66] Drake 16680 shield, 169.68/s, E/T/K/Ex=47/80/85/78 4882 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/44/25/10 3375.0 cap, +3.6/s, -7.2/s 180.0 m/s 309.0 DPS Sure, The Drake isn't exactly going to blast through anyones tank with only 309 DPS (with my skills) but it sure as hell isn't going to get beat by a 900 DPS Myrmidon with 170 hp/sec regen at peak and 80/85 resists against Thm/kin which is Hybrid Damage and Gallente Drones use Thm damage. Sure, not everyone runs around with a strong tank and most people barely have the skills to put 7 launchers on their boat to begin with. But -if- you run up against a Drake that is in capable hands and kitted for tanking, You are going to need a 1200 DPS Battleship to break its tank more often then not. As it Stands, The setup I use for missions can also tank 1400 DPS to its Primary resist. Make no mistake though... The Drake is not a powerhouse and likely all you can hope for is a stalemate or friends to come help you if you do get in a fight.
Tanox	Posted - 2007.02.20 22:06:00 - [67] Originally by: Drazin DawnTreader Drake 16680 shield, 169.68/s, E/T/K/Ex=47/80/85/78 4882 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/44/25/10 3375.0 cap, +3.6/s, -7.2/s 180.0 m/s 309.0 DPS Sure, The Drake isn't exactly going to blast through anyones tank with only 309 DPS (with my skills) but it sure as hell isn't going to get beat by a 900 DPS Myrmidon with 170 hp/sec regen at peak and 80/85 resists against Thm/kin which is Hybrid Damage and Gallente Drones use Thm damage. Sure, not everyone runs around with a strong tank and most people barely have the skills to put 7 launchers on their boat to begin with. But -if- you run up against a Drake that is in capable hands and kitted for tanking, You are going to need a 1200 DPS Battleship to break its tank more often then not. As it Stands, The setup I use for missions can also tank 1400 DPS to its Primary resist. Make no mistake though... The Drake is not a powerhouse and likely all you can hope for is a stalemate or friends to come help you if you do get in a fight. Does that setup even have a scrambler/disruptor, not to speak of a webifier? If not what is going to prevent the Myrmidon from just warping away. If I did not need to worry about "the customer" escaping, I could make a passive shield tank setup on the Myrmidon that is even stronger then the one on your Drake, but want would the point be? If you can't make people stay - you can't destroy them.
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.20 22:12:00 - [68] Drake isn't for soloing, but it makes a great "bait ship" in a gang since it can tank like crazy. Myrmidon is great for solo work however.
Tanox	Posted - 2007.02.20 22:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Kruel Drake isn't for soloing, but it makes a great "bait ship" in a gang since it can tank like crazy. Myrmidon is great for solo work however. It's true that the Drake can be a very nasty ship in a gang, but that does not change that you can't compare apples with oranges
Drazin DawnTreader	Posted - 2007.02.20 22:14:00 - [70] Originally by: Kruel Drake isn't for soloing, but it makes a great "bait ship" in a gang since it can tank like crazy. Myrmidon is great for solo work however. Precisely -

Kha0s Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:48:00 - [71] Edited by: Kha0s on 21/02/2007 00:44:25 I'd like to point you towards this video. It involves Kibito going solo in his Myrm. For the most part he is outnumbered and taking on ships that should outclass him, and still manages to come out on top. He kills an astarte while tanking another 4 ships at one point. If you look towards the end of the video, you'll see him fighting a typhoon and two drakes. He manages to take out the phoon and one of the drakes, though the remaining one gets away. On the basis of that I would recommend the Myrm. Just look at him go http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=478052
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:10:00 - [72] i'd have to say Ditka by a field goal.... It would have to be a pretty retarded myrm setup/pilot to loose in most situations. Drake is great tank boat, but dont have the bells and whistles a myrm has. ie: myrm has EITHER insane dps and great tank OR great dps, great tank and OMGwtfNOS ------------------------ From here on out i'm pretty sure CAOD forums = Jerry Springer
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.21 04:35:00 - [73] Originally by: Maeltstome If i thought a drake was passive tanking, i'd nibble away the first 50% with guns then put in the drones to do the real dps and smash through the peak regen, giving them less time to be popped. Doesn't work that way. While the 'peak' is 35%, from 30-40% is damn powerful, and you're going to need to burst around 2k damage to bypass it, and you're not going to do nearly that much unless every drone and every blaster wrecks. Not using your drone to start with just gives the Drake more time to wear away at you and force you to run those reppers along with your blasters, eating your cap charges up nicely. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
pandymen Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:38:00 - [74] I'm Caldari and I run a drake. I think what people have to realize is that there is very little chance that a drake has of actually destroying a myrm. Yes, they may indeed make the myrm warp away, and I fully expect that to happen fairly often. Popping drones with a drake isn't nearly as hard as some of you guys are making it out to be. However, I cannot really think of any way that a passive setup drake is going to be able to kill a myrm (without taking away 15% of your regen by removing the shield recharger in the mids).
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:47:00 - [75] Peak is 30% not 35% As for the match I still recon it would be a draw 9.9 times out of 10. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Uncle Samm	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:07:00 - [76] The most logical battle scenario for a battle between a nos myrmidon and a passive drake starts with the myrmidon warping in at around 20k. The myrmidon begins jamming and damping the drake but the drake already has a lock on the myrmidon. The drake doesn't have a lock on the drones however as the pilot waits until the damps are on before launching drones. The drake heads away from the myrmidon while the latter approaches faster due to the ability to fit ab or MWD. At this point both drones and missiles are in use but the drones are still safe due to the drakes increased lock time. Myrmidon closes to withing 10k and activates web and nos, deactivating ab or MWD and retracts and relaunches drones. At this point the myrmidon is running off both ships' cap and has no problem running it's tank. While the drake would lose any invulnerability fields that it has (if any) and it's tank is weakened. At this point the drake pilot's only option is to switch to FoF to try and take out the drones which it can't lock onto due to the damps. The myrmidon can however run into the drake and become the closest target. This is one scenario of many but appears to be the most likely based on the setups. The drake could have started with the FoF earlier, while the drake was still trying to get in nos range, but the myrmidon pilot could just retract the drones and wait to relaunch until he got closer. With these setups it appears that the best possible outcome for the drake would be a stalemate with a tank too strong for the other to break. Even if the drake had a MWD on it it wouldn't be able to run it for long with terrible cap. My advise to all drake pilots with a MWD and a passive tank facing a myrmidon; run.
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:22:00 - [77] Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 20/05/2007 00:23:21 The drake is not going to keep the myrm tackled. Either the myrm kills the drake or the myrm isn't set up well enough to break the tank and it runs away. Originally by: Drazin DawnTreader Sure, The Drake isn't exactly going to blast through anyones tank with only 309 DPS (with my skills) but it sure as hell isn't going to get beat by a 900 DPS Myrmidon with 170 hp/sec regen at peak and 80/85 resists against Thm/kin which is Hybrid Damage and Gallente Drones use Thm damage. Why assume that the myrm will be doing kinetic/thermal? What a deadly mistake.
FuzzBuzz Caldari Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.20 13:33:00 - [78] how long would it take for a drake to lock the heavys without being dampened? a myri pilot knowing this wont loose any drones, you launch drones, count 4 seconds or what ever retract, then relaunch. soon the drake pilot wont go for the drones.
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.05.20 14:03:00 - [79] The myrmidon will win every time - its not as simple as "shoot the dronez lulz" because any myrm pilot worth his salt will be able to keep them alive. I've never met a drake yet that I couldn't kill in my myrm. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
Galyrion Prison Break Inc. FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.05.20 14:37:00 - [80] Id take a myrmidon over any non gal t1 and t2 ships below battleships (including commandships). It would have the chance to win all encounters and run over most of them.

Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.05.22 00:43:00 - [81] So what were really saying here is that the next wave of nerf yelling needs to be a 15 second delay after launch before your allowed to redock drones.
Vandamsel Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.22 02:37:00 - [82] Edited by: Vandamsel on 22/05/2007 02:36:17 myrmidon for sure, awesome ship if u have good drone skills ( I solo'ed a passive tanked drake while tanking sentries in mine)
Hellman109 Gallente Magnetar Ltd Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.05.22 03:04:00 - [83] What sort of skills, both the main ones to use the equipment and secondary to make it more powerful, would I need for a decent Myrm PvP setup? Im Hybrid/drone heavy in my training ATM, but I can only use T2 medium and T1 heavy drones.
Hugh Hefner Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.06.10 21:39:00 - [84] Edited by: Hugh Hefner on 10/06/2007 21:42:03 As to scooping up drones and re-deploying them, what I heard a volley of 7 heavy missiles(high skills) will kill a drone, aint that so? edit: and if the myrm-pilot keeps scooping and re-deplying before drake can lock, wont that cut out ALOT of the myrms dps and thus be tanked easily?


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