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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.08 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 08/01/2007 07:54:01 Edited by: Rells on 08/01/2007 07:53:13 It used to be that you could give someone take but not view rights to a hangar with minerals in it and then they could build without being able to swipe the whole hangar. Now they broke even that. You now need query AND take access to allow poeple to build. This means that ANYONE in the corp that can build can take everything in that hangar. And dont tell me to create two hangars and refill one from the other as that is FAR more admin in a large corp than ANYONE wants to do.
How many BUGS are in the corp interface. CCP put in all of these new spiffy features but where is the redesign of the most SCREWED UP interface in the whole game. By comparison Escrow was perfect. There are so many bad things in the corp and alliance interface that it is just staggering.
Just a few of the suggestions: 1) As many tabs as we want (corp as well as personal). Just right click and add smart tab and allow it to sort the hangar contents appropriately. Smart tabs would be like smart Playlists in Eve and the CEO should be responsible and able to configure them. Players could configure their own for their own private hangars and store them in the settings. 2) Configurable permissions for hangars allow people to build things but not take. 3) Quotas for builders so they cant build 400 tractro beams at once. 3) Rank HIERARCHY. You should be able to set integral hierarchy in the build interface. 4) Export of roles for all memebers in the corp. 5) Ditch the shares. They stink, they dont guarantee payouts and they are the biggest scam in eve. 6) Make the ability to propose a vote for all directors without having to have a share. Better yet .. have a role to propose the vote. 7) Overhaul the UI to make it easier to use. 8) Blast out all the useless tabs in corp interface. 9) Assets list for corp paired with personal assets with asset search. This tab should be in corporate interface. 10) Expired Sanctionable actions should be cleared after two weeks or by CEO operation. 11) Sanctionable actions, implemented or rejected should be cleared after some time. 12) You shouldnt need 4 clicks to immplement each sanctionable action. I SENTENCE Oveur to unloc 510 blueprints. 13) Corp orders should be visible in corp interface. 14) Corps should be able to set standings to alliances. 15) Auditing for who removes what from hangars and who puts what in. 15) Build and research job auditing. 16) Corp members tab into corp interface and display titles. and ranks. 17) Ranks should be separate from other titles. 18) Any number of ranks you want up to some number. 19) ... that other irritating stuff I didnt think of ...
Its HIGH time that CCP gave the alliance and corp interface some love. Having to have someone be able to rip off the whole corp just to build some Antimatter ammo is MESSED up.
-- Rells
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Lygos
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.08 08:25:00 -
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Corporate Divisions
The counterargument is that corps are just supposed to form up as alliances, and use corporations within them to organize their divisions. Seems a bit excessive and just sounds weird to me.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.08 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos Corporate Divisions
The counterargument is that corps are just supposed to form up as alliances, and use corporations within them to organize their divisions. Seems a bit excessive and just sounds weird to me.
We considered that idea as well but logistics would be a pain as producers wont be able to access all the hangars.
The extra titles slots that where added are pretty cool, id like to see the corp hangar amount doubled as well though. -----
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2007.01.08 08:31:00 -
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I agree with you Rells, this change was made with the Dragon Patch. I noticed it back then and sent in a petition. I was told it was working as intended and to lock down the BPOs, they don't seem to care you can't lock down minerals which means you can only give limited access :(.
Galactic Express Recruitment Post
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.08 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 08/01/2007 07:54:01
Just a few of the suggestions: 1) As many tabs as we want (corp as well as personal). Just right click and add smart tab and allow it to sort the hangar contents appropriately. Smart tabs would be like smart Playlists in Eve and the CEO should be responsible and able to configure them. Players could configure their own for their own private hangars and store them in the settings. 2) Configurable permissions for hangars allow people to build things but not take. 3) Quotas for builders so they cant build 400 tractro beams at once. 3) Rank HIERARCHY. You should be able to set integral hierarchy in the build interface. 4) Export of roles for all memebers in the corp. 5) Ditch the shares. They stink, they dont guarantee payouts and they are the biggest scam in eve. 6) Make the ability to propose a vote for all directors without having to have a share. Better yet .. have a role to propose the vote. 7) Overhaul the UI to make it easier to use. 8) Blast out all the useless tabs in corp interface. 9) Assets list for corp paired with personal assets with asset search. This tab should be in corporate interface. 10) Expired Sanctionable actions should be cleared after two weeks or by CEO operation. 11) Sanctionable actions, implemented or rejected should be cleared after some time. 12) You shouldnt need 4 clicks to immplement each sanctionable action. I SENTENCE Oveur to unloc 510 blueprints. 13) Corp orders should be visible in corp interface. 14) Corps should be able to set standings to alliances. 15) Auditing for who removes what from hangars and who puts what in. 15) Build and research job auditing. 16) Corp members tab into corp interface and display titles. and ranks. 17) Ranks should be separate from other titles. 18) Any number of ranks you want up to some number. 19) ... that other irritating stuff I didnt think of ...
1. Sounds good 2. hell yeah 3. would be handy 4. not sure why you need it, but exporting things is always good 5. Shares work, just their implementation could be a lot better 6. Directors can propose votes without shares, I do it regularly 7. which UI? or just all of them? 8. what useless tabs? 9. Ever tried to search through 7 corp hangers in 50 offices? I think that may be a little insane/ ou can now see corp hanger assets throught the corp interface anyway. 10. sounds good 11. i dunno,a history of cinflict isn't that bad 12. you can multiple lock/unlock bpo's now. Just select them all and right click 13. corp orders are viewable in the corp wallet - why do they need to be in the interface? 14. agreed 15. would love that, but a simple quickfix might be to change the wallet entry to state what is being built, not just the rental fee 16. eh? expand please 17. ranks? please expand further 18. as 17 19. plenty moreirritating things, but you mentioned most of them :) ----------------------
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Khajit Smitty
Minmatar MisFunk Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 08:50:00 -
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Quote: 19) ... that other irritating stuff I didnt think of ...
Yes like the 300 standings limit, for alliances this i dont see as being a major pain (but im sure it can be) but for corporations its a complete and absolute pain the the rear.
Having the ability to set corporation standings to an alliance as a whole as apposed to each individual corporation would make life so much easier, possibly in the interim double it from a 300 limit to 600, which while not the best solution will still reduce the amount of frustration.
Sifting through 300 standings is a time consuming and painful job looking for that 1 obsolute one.
And yes i agree with all the points raised aswell.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.01.08 09:00:00 -
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I often disagree with Rells on various points, but oooooh boy not this time.
As a CEO of a 0.0 corporation, I 1000% COMPLETELY agree that things are messed up.
Consider me SIGNED on all of those points.
Of course considering the length of time we've spent waiting for certain things, I'm not holding my breath.
P.S. What BRAIN SURGEON decided a POS takes corp standings OVER and irregardless of ALLIANCE standings? hmmmmmm? Sorta defeats the purpose, yet again, of having alliance standings eh? -just had to throw that in there, as I'm still steamed over the response from CCP regarding multiple petitions over friendly fire, PLUS a considerable amount of time manually setting individual corp standings.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie
12. you can multiple lock/unlock bpo's now. Just select them all and right click
Its not the votes, its the sanctionable actions is the *****.
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Tanis Bastar
Caldari Interstitial Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.01.08 11:38:00 -
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I'm pretty new to manufacturing, but one feature that I can't find is how to download, say, the last week's worth of sales by location, ideally with remaining inventory.
Is it possible to do this? If not, why not?
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Lucre
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.08 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua I agree with you Rells, this change was made with the Dragon Patch. I noticed it back then and sent in a petition. I was told it was working as intended and to lock down the BPOs, they don't seem to care you can't lock down minerals which means you can only give limited access :(.
You not only can't lock them down, they can't trace them either if they go missing.
Some time back we had over a freighter-build of minerals disappear from one of our capital-build corp hangars. We petitioned this as a bug in the build process, but were essentially told "must have been a thief" though since they couldn't track the minerals they couldn't actually confirm this.
We believed (and still believe) this was a production bug as T2 modules and components in that hangar worth several times that of the stolen minerals were left totally untouched.
Meanwhile, signed a thousand times over just for the "corps setting standing to alliances" feature. Having left/lost ASCN, we're now in the ludicrous position of having to consider forming a corp-alliance of our own for no other reason than to get around this particular ludicrous standing-setting omission. CCP, whatever were you thinking? Fix it! |
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PhamNuwen
Caldari Bungee Jumper
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Posted - 2007.01.08 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rells Would you believe CCP BROKE the corp interface further? :
Yes.
Most developers are bad designer of Userinterfases (I'm working in software development since 15 years...). I think, CCP is not better...
Furthermore: Since 1.5 years CCP is running for higher number of simultaneous user and this has some side effects: - database access must be minimized - CPU-Usage (server) must be reduced. This causes some more handicaps for the developers --> causing more crappy interfaces for us...
Caching data local would open the client for 3th-party tools.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.08 17:52:00 -
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The entire corp UI needs to be scrapped and redesigned.
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Rosabella
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Posted - 2007.01.08 18:11:00 -
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Agreed. Naturally this will fall on deaf ears until someone (Rells?) writes up their objections, provides suggestions for solutions and sends it directly to the designers.
CCP has taken the same hands off approach to the player base that other MOG design teams practice. Witness the lack of dev blogs and developer posts to topics on this board. Posting here invites support from the players but in no way guarantees that the developers will see it.
Drill into their organization, focus your communication, send it directly to the right people and you'll have more success. This board has become little more than a moderated chat room.
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bluecheast
Four Rings Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.08 18:34:00 -
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Agreed.
Ne also need income outgoing option in wallet not some 10 different things and also show only transfers over/under ( value )
And maby some medal system so directors, fc's, local heros etc... could be given 1-4 stars for example that would be visable like standings offcourse there needs to be a option to hide medals outside corp/alliance if needed like during fleetfights to avoid being made primary.
But most importand is having some log on hangars.
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Redbad
Minmatar Gingerbread Reapers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rosabella
This board has become little more than a moderated chat room.
You're so right about that.
To continue on the topic: There is a Features and Ideas section that Developpers, according to the description, are reading. I'm sure there's something already there along the lines to what the OP states. I do think that revamping the Corporate interface is something that should be on the "to-do" list of CCP, as the interface can be somewhat incomprehensible at times.
Futhermore, EVE involved into a much more complex game with every expansion. It asks for people to get organized in this game to achieve their goals. It's indeed important to have the right tools for that. A good corporate interface reflecting a good managemt tool for that is then indispensable.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.08 18:52:00 -
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The reality is that posts like htis have been made in the Ideas forum for three years to no avail. It seems to me pthat CCP only serves those that scream the loudest. Time to scream.
I CHALLENGE Oveur to unlock 500 blueprints and run a corp of more than 100 people for 6 months.
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Redbad
Minmatar Gingerbread Reapers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rells The reality is that posts like htis have been made in the Ideas forum for three years to no avail. It seems to me pthat CCP only serves those that scream the loudest. Time to scream.
I CHALLENGE Oveur to unlock 500 blueprints and run a corp of more than 100 people for 6 months.
Then I scream with you ..... WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH ...
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.18 19:40:00 -
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Everyone has to scream the loudest. CCP should be french because they seem to only appreciate a great Wine.
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Forum Troll
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Posted - 2007.01.18 19:50:00 -
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/signed
Good post by the OP. CCP should listen to his suggestions.
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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.18 20:11:00 -
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A good post. Personally I'd like to see them put efforts into encouraging corporations to actually use currency instead of the barter system though.
I'm not familiar with POSes nor do I know what all can be done with the corp interface but in an ideal setup things would work like the following:
1) Instead of having to put mins in a hanger you'd be able to set up a sell order in the PoS restricted to alliance or a corporation. It should not have any tax or broker fees (maybe a corp manager skill to make it work or whatever).
2) Should be able to setup buy orders for whatever needs to be produced with the same above features.
3) Let each BPO/BPC have advanced features like allowed runs or even the ability to set runs on a per person basis. Also other fun features would could be an ISK charge per run and what not.
Those are just some examples and I'm sure people can poke many holes in them but I'm really only trying to point out that a proper corp interface should allow us to use currency in the ways it is used in real life to manage empires and corporations. Only in cases where that really makes things easier though.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente Zekarus Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 18/01/2007 20:35:16
Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 18/01/2007 19:35:35
It used to be that you could give someone take but not view rights to a hangar with minerals in it and then they could build without being able to swipe the whole hangar. Now they broke even that. You now need query AND take access to allow poeple to build. This means that ANYONE in the corp that can build can take everything in that hangar. And dont tell me to create two hangars and refill one from the other as that is FAR more admin in a large corp than ANYONE wants to do.
How many BUGS are in the corp interface. CCP put in all of these new spiffy features but where is the redesign of the most SCREWED UP interface in the whole game. By comparison Escrow was perfect. There are so many bad things in the corp and alliance interface that it is just staggering.
Just a few of the suggestions:
- As many tabs as we want (corp as well as personal). Just right click and add smart tab and allow it to sort the hangar contents appropriately. Smart tabs would be like smart Playlists in Eve and the CEO should be responsible and able to configure them. Players could configure their own for their own private hangars and store them in the settings.
- Configurable permissions for hangars allow people to build things but not take.
- Quotas for builders so they cant build 400 tractro beams at once.
- Rank HIERARCHY. You should be able to set integral hierarchy in the build interface.
- Export of roles for all memebers in the corp.
- Ditch the shares. They stink, they dont guarantee payouts and they are the biggest scam in Eve.
- Make the ability to propose a vote for all directors without having to have a share. Better yet .. have a role to propose the vote.
- Overhaul the UI to make it easier to use.
- Blast out all the useless tabs in corp interface.
- Assets list for corp paired with personal assets with asset search. This tab should be in corporate interface.
- Expired Sanctionable actions should be cleared after two weeks or by CEO operation.
- Sanctionable actions, implemented or rejected should be cleared after some time.
- You shouldnt need 4 clicks to immplement each sanctionable action. I SENTENCE Oveur to unloc 510 blueprints.
- Corp orders should be visible in corp interface.
- Corps should be able to set standings to alliances.
- Auditing for who removes what from hangars and who puts what in.
- Build and research job auditing.
- Corp members tab into corp interface and display titles. and ranks.
- Ranks should be separate from other titles.
- Any number of ranks you want up to some number.
- Allow directors once again to strip all roles from a member via a single menu iter rather than having to do it manually.
- Fine grained permissions for being able to use and administer POS. Also drop the POS shield password and replace it with the ability to set access to the POS based on title and standings.
- Ability for players to deploy POS for "Self" without needing to deploy it for corp. I shouldnt have to give corp permissions for someone to deploy a POS for themselves.
- Ability to filter the audit logs described above based on character.
- Ability to know who is an alt of who. Simply allow members to select that their char is an alt and give the name of the main.
Its HIGH time that CCP gave the alliance and corp interface some love. Having to have someone be able to rip off the whole corp just to build some Antimatter ammo is MESSED up.
They also broke corp standings insofar as people using the higher standing of the corp to get access to higher level agents that much sooner. Probably when they unlatched corp standing from jumpclone access tbh. ---------
Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances.
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BlackMoon Thrawn
the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:49:00 -
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Agreed on most everything said. I would also like to see a set of buttons on the set standings page to set a corp to 0,2.5,5,7.5 and 10(also the inverse).
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SolarKnight
Gallente ORIGIN SYSTEMS Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.18 23:23:00 -
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Or Just let us type in the standing?
or just vary the size of the box that appears when the slider is shown, as some corp names are too long and obscure the numeric output of the slider. The Light in the Darkness
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.19 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: SolarKnight Or Just let us type in the standing?
or just vary the size of the box that appears when the slider is shown, as some corp names are too long and obscure the numeric output of the slider.
That is an excellent idea.
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Benglada
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.19 05:09:00 -
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I agree, Deploy pos for self should be available. ---------------------------
Originally by: Arkanor
0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
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Kesro
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Posted - 2007.01.19 10:36:00 -
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One of the many oversights. I shouldnt have to give someone oPOS rights for their own private venture.
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2007.01.19 11:42:00 -
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I agree the corp interface needs some love, so does the eve mail inbox for that matter. Not much I can tell you I'm not really that involved in implementation or design so all I can promise you is that I'll lobby for this internally _______________ |
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MindBender
Acheron Vanguard Armada Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.01.19 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford I agree the corp interface needs some love, so does the eve mail inbox for that matter. Not much I can tell you I'm not really that involved in implementation or design so all I can promise you is that I'll lobby for this internally
Tux! Drop the hammer bud... there is so much more that could be done with both of those features. --- Place Sig here (Help a man with no Sig, Eve-Mail me if you can make me one.) |
Altaree
Gallente Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.19 14:02:00 -
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threaten them with more photoshopping :)
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:17:00 -
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The central theme of EVE is corporations. Whether a player enjoys pvp, mining, scamming, or anything else, they must belong to a corporation and suffer through the UI.
In the words of Fry, "FIX IT, FIX IT, FIX IT!!!"
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.22 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford I agree the corp interface needs some love, so does the eve mail inbox for that matter. Not much I can tell you I'm not really that involved in implementation or design so all I can promise you is that I'll lobby for this internally
Thanks a lot for looking at this tuxford. I hope we can see something soon.
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LeisureSuit Lurkie
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Posted - 2007.01.22 12:10:00 -
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Oh yes, one thing I've never understood is why CCP hasn't paid any attention to aspect of game that touches almost all of their clients. Current corp thefts, POS thefts, whatever, are mostly to blaim on extreamly bad role and "division" design.
It's so funny how someone can gain control of a region because he needs some "ammo" container rights. |
Trebor Locke
Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.22 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: LeisureSuit Lurkie Oh yes, one thing I've never understood is why CCP hasn't paid any attention to aspect of game that touches almost all of their clients. Current corp thefts, POS thefts, whatever, are mostly to blaim on extreamly bad role and "division" design.
It's so funny how someone can gain control of a region because he needs some "ammo" container rights.
Many of those thefts aren't because of poor design but rather stupidity on the part of a corporations directors/CEO. If you can't trust someone, don't give em rights. Many people who join new corporations are out for personal gain and the second you give them build rights or access to anything, they might just take it.
I am sure there are the occassional loopholes, however if stuff is that important to you, put it in secure containers, or audit cans, or something. Something that has a password. (There should be a blueprint to an Auditable Giant Secure Container >.>) --------------
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.22 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Locke
Originally by: LeisureSuit Lurkie Oh yes, one thing I've never understood is why CCP hasn't paid any attention to aspect of game that touches almost all of their clients. Current corp thefts, POS thefts, whatever, are mostly to blaim on extreamly bad role and "division" design.
It's so funny how someone can gain control of a region because he needs some "ammo" container rights.
Many of those thefts aren't because of poor design but rather stupidity on the part of a corporations directors/CEO. If you can't trust someone, don't give em rights. Many people who join new corporations are out for personal gain and the second you give them build rights or access to anything, they might just take it.
I am sure there are the occassional loopholes, however if stuff is that important to you, put it in secure containers, or audit cans, or something. Something that has a password. (There should be a blueprint to an Auditable Giant Secure Container >.>)
If someone is willing to put in the time and effort to work his way up in your corp with the sole intent of robbing you there is nothing you can do against it.
Not to mention that theres things only a director can do, insuring corp ships, recieving new application mails, cleaning corp/alliance mailboxes/etc. All of these things need to be changed into roles that can be assigned without giving someone access to everything. -----
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Trebor Locke
Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.22 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 22/01/2007 12:34:31
Originally by: Trebor Locke
Originally by: LeisureSuit Lurkie Oh yes, one thing I've never understood is why CCP hasn't paid any attention to aspect of game that touches almost all of their clients. Current corp thefts, POS thefts, whatever, are mostly to blaim on extreamly bad role and "division" design.
It's so funny how someone can gain control of a region because he needs some "ammo" container rights.
Many of those thefts aren't because of poor design but rather stupidity on the part of a corporations directors/CEO. If you can't trust someone, don't give em rights. Many people who join new corporations are out for personal gain and the second you give them build rights or access to anything, they might just take it.
I am sure there are the occassional loopholes, however if stuff is that important to you, put it in secure containers, or audit cans, or something. Something that has a password. (There should be a blueprint to an Auditable Giant Secure Container >.>)
If someone is willing to put in the time and effort to work his way up in your corp with the sole intent of robbing you there is nothing you can do against it.
Not to mention that theres things only a director can do, insuring corp ships, recieving new application mails, cleaning corp/alliance mailboxes/etc. All of these things need to be changed into roles that can be assigned without giving someone access to everything.
Not to mention the fact that Pre-Kali a producer could build using corp minerals without being able to take them, they broke this. Normal members could take stuff out of audit log cans, without being able to take them... they broke this too, they can now take the entire can. Quite handy those half functioning logs are when the thief just runs off with the entire container...
A director is usually a trusted member of a corporation. Would you would allow someone to hire people to your corp but not allow them to take out minerals from your mineral hangar? It also makes sense that if a builder is building for a corporation, that the builder uses corporate minerals.
Its all an issue of trust and who can be given that trust. As for cans. What is a theif going to do if you decided to invest in a secure container and passworded it? Blowing it up is about all that he can do. I'd much rather know that the theif couldn't get any use out of the goods he stole :-P --------------
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Marine HK4861
Caldari Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.01.22 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Locke What is a theif going to do if you decided to invest in a secure container and passworded it? Blowing it up is about all that he can do.
He could repackage it, which doesn't need a password.
All the contents would then just pop out, plus he gets a free can.
In the case of audit containers, he'd have to wait 3 weeks since the last log, but he could still repackage it.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.22 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 22/01/2007 13:27:48
Originally by: Trebor Locke A director is usually a trusted member of a corporation. Would you would allow someone to hire people to your corp but not allow them to take out minerals from your mineral hangar? It also makes sense that if a builder is building for a corporation, that the builder uses corporate minerals.
Its all an issue of trust and who can be given that trust. As for cans. What is a theif going to do if you decided to invest in a secure container and passworded it? Blowing it up is about all that he can do. I'd much rather know that the theif couldn't get any use out of the goods he stole :-P
Just because i have people to go over applications and accept them doesnt mean id like them to have access to several bill worth of assets.
Same goes with the builder, just because i want him to be able to producer ammo and equipment using corp minerals i dont want to be able to drag the entire, billion isk, stack of minerals into his hangar.
As for the password, right click > retrieve password. That or wait 3 weeks for log entries to expensive and repackage it. Passwording ammo and equipment containers also doesnt work all that well, since members would need the password to take stuff out.
So yeah, empty cans with logs telling you who took everything or an empty hangar, you take your pick. Ill go for the old system where i at least knew who did it. -----
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.01.22 16:02:00 -
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The real kicker about this are Research Monkeys. Having tens of billions of isk tied up in BPO's that can't be researched without take access is bull****. Cant be copied, cant be anything'd without take rights. My corp is really really small, and I trust everyone in it, but Id hate to have to give take access to capital BPO's just to get them researched/copied....
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Glenmorangie
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.22 17:46:00 -
[39]
Just reading this i thought it would be impossible to make the corp interface worse more broken. Guess i was wrong.
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Gemini Zero
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.24 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Gemini Zero on 24/01/2007 00:54:36
Lets not neglect the Corp Wallet as well.
- EXPORT EXPORT EXPORT: If the wallet cant have more complex tools incorporated in it, let us have the option of doing the dirty work in Excel
- More leway in what is actually taxed, focusing only on bounties and mission rewards neglects many of the other professions in eve
- A reporting engine on corp funds. Do you know how difficult it is to do analysis on money going in and out of a corp
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JForce
N.W.A
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Posted - 2007.01.24 02:05:00 -
[41]
For the sweet love of jesus christ in heaven, please fix the corp interface.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.27 07:35:00 -
[42]
BUmp because there still is no info in the next patch.
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Orchid Ix
Celestial Security Corps Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.27 08:03:00 -
[43]
I'd love to see the divisional corp wallets come into play.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.27 08:06:00 -
[44]
Quote: As many tabs as we want (corp as well as personal). Just right click and add smart tab and allow it to sort the hangar contents appropriately. Smart tabs would be like smart Playlists in Eve and the CEO should be responsible and able to configure them. Players could configure their own for their own private hangars and store them in the settings.
Yes.
Quote: Configurable permissions for hangars allow people to build things but not take.
Yes.
Quote: Quotas for builders so they cant build 400 tractro beams at once.
Yes.
Quote: Rank HIERARCHY. You should be able to set integral hierarchy in the build interface.
As in build priority? If so then, hell yes.
Quote: Export of roles for all memebers in the corp.
Eh?
Quote: Ditch the shares. They stink, they dont guarantee payouts and they are the biggest scam in Eve.
Shares can and are used legitimately, the issue is not with shares, but how limited they are. Shares need a revamp...share tracking should def be possible.
Quote: Make the ability to propose a vote for all directors without having to have a share. Better yet .. have a role to propose the vote.
And also make it possible to disallow voting entirely.
Quote: Overhaul the UI to make it easier to use.
Amen.
Quote: Blast out all the useless tabs in corp interface.
Or make them not useless...same thing.
Quote: Assets list for corp paired with personal assets with asset search. This tab should be in corporate interface.
With various levels of permission options of course.
Quote: Expired Sanctionable actions should be cleared after two weeks or by CEO operation.
Yes, and a historical database should be available, with footnote options (as well as adding vote independent entries).
Quote: Sanctionable actions, implemented or rejected should be cleared after some time.
Same as above.
Quote: You shouldnt need 4 clicks to immplement each sanctionable action. I SENTENCE Oveur to unloc 510 blueprints.
Plus an option to auto-execute certain types of SActions.
Quote: Corp orders should be visible in corp interface.
With appropriate access permissions (view/modify/create/etc).
Quote: Corps should be able to set standings to alliances.
Yes.
Quote: Auditing for who removes what from hangars and who puts what in.
Hell yes, and allow us to operate Excel style input/output calculation functions, example: Member E419 dumps 7800 units of Crokite into Input Hangar A, the associated calculation computes an ISK based payout to Player A and can either autopay...or accumulate and pay out at a scheduled time...payroll if you will.
Quote: Build and research job auditing.
Yes.
Quote: Corp members tab into corp interface and display titles. and ranks.
Member Roster needs a complete overhaul. Divisions would help tons.
Quote: Ranks should be separate from other titles.
That option should be available, yes. Rates and Ranks.
Quote: Any number of ranks you want up to... |
Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.27 08:08:00 -
[45]
Quote: Fine grained permissions for being able to use and administer POS. Also drop the POS shield password and replace it with the ability to set access to the POS based on title and standings.
POS/corp interfacing needs a definate improvement. Launching for Alliance should be an option, and should be required for sovereignty claims.
Quote: Ability for players to deploy POS for "Self" without needing to deploy it for corp. I shouldnt have to give corp permissions for someone to deploy a POS for themselves.
Read above.
Quote: Ability to filter the audit logs described above based on character.
Hell yes.
Quote: Ability to know who is an alt of who. Simply allow members to select that their char is an alt and give the name of the main.
This could be part of the new roster, give preference to mains with an option to see an alt sublisting.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
Corp/Alliance Services |
Tissa
Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.27 09:56:00 -
[46]
Quote:
# Auditing for who removes what from hangars and who puts what in.
/signed x1000 on this one
I would like to add:
Originally by: Tissa, hundreds of times go to corp tab/corp/home/members/applications/my applications/offers/turn around three times and touch your toes and you can accept offer from any station, yes I know it is a pain isn't it.
My views do not represent those of my corp or alliance. (Joined UKC 19/09/06) |
Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.02.11 03:37:00 -
[47]
Another content patch and still no changes. Too busy handing out BPOs to BoB?
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.11 09:10:00 -
[48]
Nothing good happens first. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
Got Alliance?
Contact me ingame for alliance creation services. |
Doc Extropy
Gallente Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.11 09:17:00 -
[49]
Originally by: "Rells"
Would you believe CCP BROKE the corp interface further?
LOL. Is that a rhetorice question?
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Willow Whisp
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:43:00 -
[50]
I think the biggest pet peeve of mine is the fact that in order to do remote research & build jobs, you need to have take access to corp minerals & BPO's. It's ridiculous that in order to be able to research, you must give essencially what means free access to all the corp assets to someone.
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Johnathan Roark
Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.19 18:41:00 -
[51]
The corp interface is one of the most neglected interfaces in eve, yet is also one of the most important. Here is a 11 page thread of suggestion in the feature and ideas discussion forum.
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:09:00 -
[52]
The corporate interface needs to be a top priority.
MMOs build communities. Trust is a basic community foundation. I'm not saying to remove corporate espionage/sabotage from the game (which would be impossible, anyway), but CEOs need better tools. For example, allowing someone to set up a small POS on their own shouldn't mean you have to give them the ability to sabotage your major POSes and Outposts.
There will always be paranoia in a pvp game like this, but there's far more of it in Eve now than is necessary or healthy. Please give corps better control of their assets.
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Gaogan
Gallente Solar Storm
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Posted - 2007.02.19 20:13:00 -
[53]
You do NOT need take access to research or copy bpos. You also CAN give access to take from cans, but not take the cans themselves. I got rather annoyed a while back because we were using this configuration, but found that if you store bpcs in cans at a pos construction array, you can not remove the bpcs from the cans to build from them without removing the entire can to your ship's cargo hold.
As for the comments on corp theft: it most definitely is in large part, due to the lack corp controls, not so much an issue of trust/betrayal. This is due to the lack of granularity in permissions. You may trust someone to build for the corp, but that does not mean you trust them with the ENTIRE corp mineral supply. You may trust someone to accept applications, but that does not mean you want them to be able to swipe ALL corp assets.
Then when things DO go wrong, it is often impossible to figure out how due to no audit logs. And don't even mention audit log secure containers; they are a complete joke. They don't audit what people take or put, only lock and unlock events, and the whole concept of locking things is pointless and annoying. Not to mention that you can't get station containers in 0.0.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.02.19 20:31:00 -
[54]
Yeah the corp management is by far the most messed up interface of a game that has some of the worst interface designs ever. It's complete madness and how it has remained this way for so long blows my mind.
While we're at it, how about removing the billion items in the wallet journal dropdown that are only there because they let a rabid monkey add random things to the list?
Gold? Can I have some gold in eve please?
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 20:36:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Tuxford I agree the corp interface needs some love, so does the eve mail inbox for that matter. Not much I can tell you I'm not really that involved in implementation or design so all I can promise you is that I'll lobby for this internally
Nobody gives a **** about the stupid inbox. I know there is somebody at CCP who gets paid to redesign the damn inbox every patch, but whoever that is should be fired.
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Par'Gellen
Low Grade Ore
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Posted - 2007.02.19 20:52:00 -
[56]
CCP, If you guys need something to model the Inbox after, try imitating Outlook Express (or any other email program but without all the silly frills). Just a simple Inbox, Sent Items, Search, and maybe the ability to add a few custom folders to move the more important emails that need keeping. That's really all there is to fixing it. The ability to create mailing lists would be nice to.
As for the Corporate Administration UI you could take a look at Netware Administrator or Active Directory and build something similar. Corp members would be like users and all the corp resourses would be like the network resourses. Titles would be groups. In fact it should all be title or group based. It makes it FAR FAR easier to manage if you let the CEO and Directors set up groups and then just add and remove people from them as needed. I know the title system already lets you do this but it's clunky and hard to navigate. It's overly complicated as it is now.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents. ---
CCP : Save my mousewheel! |
Mritanu
Utopian Dynasty
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Posted - 2007.02.19 21:39:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Rells The reality is that posts like htis have been made in the Ideas forum for three years to no avail. It seems to me pthat CCP only serves those that scream the loudest. Time to scream.
I CHALLENGE Oveur to unlock 500 blueprints and run a corp of more than 100 people for 6 months.
/signed
In fact, I have 110 BPOs sitting in a hangar which are presently perma-locked. I have tried to run unlock requests on all of them TWICE now, and I have a petition open to get them unlocked. Going on 4 weeks, not even a response to my petition.
Thanks for wasting my time CCP :( --------------------------------------------- Utopian Dynasty is recruiting miners and mission runners of all skill levels, contact me in game for details. |
hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.19 21:42:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Mritanu
Originally by: Rells The reality is that posts like htis have been made in the Ideas forum for three years to no avail. It seems to me pthat CCP only serves those that scream the loudest. Time to scream.
I CHALLENGE Oveur to unlock 500 blueprints and run a corp of more than 100 people for 6 months.
/signed
In fact, I have 110 BPOs sitting in a hangar which are presently perma-locked. I have tried to run unlock requests on all of them TWICE now, and I have a petition open to get them unlocked. Going on 4 weeks, not even a response to my petition.
Thanks for wasting my time CCP :(
[yello] new note on petition - i wish to elevate this petition to senior GM status thanku [/yellow]
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.02.19 21:42:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Tuxford I agree the corp interface needs some love, so does the eve mail inbox for that matter. Not much I can tell you I'm not really that involved in implementation or design so all I can promise you is that I'll lobby for this internally
WOuld it be possible to filter corp alliance mail so that we only receive mail from ceo's and not everyone and their kid sister asking for ts info or other stupid questions/statments?
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WilliamPD
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Posted - 2007.02.19 22:13:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Par'Gellen That's really all there is to fixing it. The ability to create mailing lists would be nice to.
Already exists.
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.19 22:17:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: Tuxford I agree the corp interface needs some love, so does the eve mail inbox for that matter. Not much I can tell you I'm not really that involved in implementation or design so all I can promise you is that I'll lobby for this internally
WOuld it be possible to filter corp alliance mail so that we only receive mail from ceo's and not everyone and their kid sister asking for ts info or other stupid questions/statments?
allow CEOs and alliance leadership to define a "leadership" mail tab and then a general rubbish tab perhaps 3 alliance named ones and 3 corp ones so say a corp not in alliance
3 mail tabs defineable by CEO
Important leadership information, general , miscellanous ( trade and other off topic stuff)
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Par'Gellen
Low Grade Ore
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Posted - 2007.02.19 23:02:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Par''Gellen on 19/02/2007 23:00:44
Originally by: WilliamPD
Originally by: Par'Gellen That's really all there is to fixing it. The ability to create mailing lists would be nice to.
Already exists.
Sorry. I meant simpler and in a new system. ---
CCP : Save my mousewheel! |
Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.20 07:28:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Rells on 20/02/2007 07:25:04 Another patch is comming up. I wonder if they will put up another patch without fixing this.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.20 08:05:00 -
[64]
I'm giving 12 to 1 odds that it will be a 'SOON[tm]'. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
Got Corp? |
WilliamPD
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Posted - 2007.02.20 10:28:00 -
[65]
I am giving it a 5/1, we are not getting any answer any soon.
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RaTTuS
BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.20 10:56:00 -
[66]
Corp interface makes me want to kill baby sheep
and things can get unlocked when you dont want them to... - well they dont all stay locked [going round this again] -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal | RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
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Tar om
Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.20 11:13:00 -
[67]
just... signed really. Fix the list above and increase the font sizes. You'll have less people suing you in 10 years time! -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
"The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions." |
Sheriff Badden
Amarr Legion Federation Amen Anera
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Posted - 2007.02.20 12:01:00 -
[68]
AAAA fix corp tools pls (bump )
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Antraxx
Caldari Deviance Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.20 12:24:00 -
[69]
/Signed! Have grown to truly hate the Corp interface. Not holding my breath for the needed changes tho :/ ----------
---------- Deviance Inc. is recruiting!-Eve mail me :) |
Anderi Bourdieu
Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.02.20 13:10:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Not to mention the fact that Pre-Kali a producer could build using corp minerals without being able to take them, they broke this. Normal members could take stuff out of audit log cans, without being able to take them... they broke this too, they can now take the entire can. Quite handy those half functioning logs are when the thief just runs off with the entire container...
#1 and #2 Problems to fix immediately. Why the reversal? What the heck use are these audit logs and secure cans if they are neither?
________________________________________________ Captain Anderi Bourdieu - Hadean Drive Yards
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.20 13:12:00 -
[71]
making sec and audit containers work is just beyond CCP atm
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Dematone
Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.20 13:48:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Par'Gellen CCP, If you guys need something to model the Inbox after, try imitating Outlook Express ...
No thanks, we do not need another piece of software, that is imitating crappy standard software, just because people got used to it. Come up with something new, innovate rather than rip off, thanks!
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Mag's
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.20 14:14:00 -
[73]
Not sure if this has been mentioned already in this thread, sorry if it has. Could we have Different roles for POS access and also Carrier access.
Carriers are becoming more and more common place, they should have thier own role set.
I know it's been mentioned about the pos situation, tbh it's rather daft to have to give out the Starbase config role to everyone in corp, who wants their own pos. It's good for corp members to have their own POS's, but a roles update should be top priority.
Also i've noticed you can't add Contract Manager to the titles, unless i'm missing something.
All in all, I agree with the OP, the game has grown way past the tools we have to run it.
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Xhanserbal
Minmatar Universal Exports
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Posted - 2007.02.20 19:55:00 -
[74]
would be nice to see just a fraction of these things. Give corporation and alliance gui some love please.
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Commander Hansen
Furious Vendetta
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Posted - 2007.03.03 12:19:00 -
[75]
I dont post much on this forum at all, since 99.9% is garbage. But this I couldnt stay away from! I totally agree to all and everything you say. I'd rather see Kali 2 and whatever the patches are called delayed by a year, if we can just get some love here. CCP, get it sorted, please
Hansen
Currently recruiting We Say It With Guns |
Commander Hansen
Furious Vendetta
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Posted - 2007.03.03 12:19:00 -
[76]
I dont post much on this forum at all, since 99.9% is garbage. But this I couldnt stay away from! I totally agree to all and everything you say. I'd rather see Kali 2 and whatever the patches are called delayed by a year, if we can just get some love here. CCP, get it sorted, please
Hansen
Currently recruiting We Say It With Guns |
Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:43:00 -
[77]
New Breakage. You can no longer ctrl-a and select all bps and execute an unlock vote on them all at once. It will lag you and never come back and you will have to restart your client.
In addition, the sanctionable actions are getting corrupted about 30% of the time. My corp has about 2000 corrupted sanctionable actions that never go away.
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