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DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.08 20:00:00 - [31] As with most things it totally depends on which dread and which carrier. i can't see a phoenix losing to any carrier tbh but a revealation i don't see hitting a moving carrier for very good hits unless it's webbed therefore being down to set up again. Cuold go either way but my money would be on the dread 9 times out of 10 tbh. DE
Ortos Svefn-G-Englar	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:59:00 - [32] Edited by: Ortos on 09/01/2007 06:59:39 Originally by: Blind Man Edited by: Blind Man on 08/01/2007 17:44:34 Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04 Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4. EDIT: And look, I posted with my main lol check your math again its more like around 1.5k for a good thanatos afaik First of all... Your sig scares me. (BOOST MINMATAR!) Secondly...As Far As You Know? My math might very well be off, but I'm not accepting that on the grounds of an assumption. Show some proof. Also, just quickly running it through quickfit I can get 2500 dps from a Thanatos. (EDIT: Oops, forgot advanced drone interfacing. make that 3750 dps)
Rigsta Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: ZigZag Joe Ginger. hah, well he is the greatest pvper in eve so hes allowed /me goes off to find October Snow KB and gingers carrier losses to date. LMAO I laughed so much at those two posts XD /wipes tears Originally by: Jim McGregor I felt the disturbance... it was like a million voices suddenly stopped whining for a second. Unfortunantly it then continued.
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 09/01/2007 06:59:39 Originally by: Blind Man Edited by: Blind Man on 08/01/2007 17:44:34 Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04 Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4. EDIT: And look, I posted with my main lol check your math again its more like around 1.5k for a good thanatos afaik First of all... Your sig scares me. (BOOST MINMATAR!) Secondly...As Far As You Know? My math might very well be off, but I'm not accepting that on the grounds of an assumption. Show some proof. Also, just quickly running it through quickfit I can get 2500 dps from a Thanatos. (EDIT: Oops, forgot advanced drone interfacing. make that 3750 dps) Fighter Base Damage [50] * 2 (Fighter V) * 1.25 * 15 = 1875 DPS [Max Skill Than] Quickfit is wrong, it assumes that Drone Interfacing effects fighters, it doesn't. Tanking Survivability Calculator
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 09/01/2007 06:59:39 Originally by: Blind Man Edited by: Blind Man on 08/01/2007 17:44:34 Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04 Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4. EDIT: And look, I posted with my main lol check your math again its more like around 1.5k for a good thanatos afaik First of all... Your sig scares me. (BOOST MINMATAR!) Secondly...As Far As You Know? My math might very well be off, but I'm not accepting that on the grounds of an assumption. Show some proof. Also, just quickly running it through quickfit I can get 2500 dps from a Thanatos. (EDIT: Oops, forgot advanced drone interfacing. make that 3750 dps) Fighter Base Damage [50] * 2 (Fighter V) * 1.25 * 15 = 1875 DPS [Max Skill Than] Quickfit is wrong, it assumes that Drone Interfacing effects fighters, it doesn't. I just bug reported that, hopefuly Rahzelk will get round to fixing it for the next release. -----
Turtla U Itachi	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:37:00 - [36] carrier skill lvl 5 (5% per lvl not 10% like says on eve-o item database) fighter skill lvl 5 (20% per lvl) Dragonfly: 4,251,252 = 10,625 10,62575 = 796,875 796,875/6,38 =124,9dps Einherji: 2,51,252 = 6,25 6,2575 = 468,75 468,75/3,75 = 125dps FIrbolg: 3,51,252 = 8,75 8,7575 = 656,25 656,25/5,25 = 125dps Templar: 41,252 = 10 1075 = 750 750/6= 125dps So you could say that each fighter has 125 dps :D Now im going to use my 5 drone control units so i can use 15 fighters 125*15 = 1875 dps
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:10:00 - [37] A dread with short range guns(faster tracking) and 90% web +webber drones probably can still hit a close orbitting carrier. But a lot of carriers fit smartbombs, so the drones cannot be used very effectively:p Haven't tried out a webby on a dread ever so would have to test that. got no cool sig
Dragy	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Turtla Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04 Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4. EDIT: And look, I posted with my main How did you get that uber dmg??? Well with my carrier lvl 5, fighter lvl 5 and flying a Thanatos with 5 Drone Control Units = 1875dps (skills that affect fighter= figthters + carrier skill if you are flying a Thanatos) Doesn't drone interfacing affect fighters ?
Mututonga	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:26:00 - [39] I have tested a -90% webber (on the dread) vs close range (roughly 2km) BS and i hit them fine in my sieged Revelation so I dont know where all this crap tracking comes from. Carrier would go even slower and has a larger sig radius so I'm sure it would be hittable.
Noriath	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:38:00 - [40] A Moros would kill any carrier, since its drones have more firepower...

Noriath	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:38:00 - [41] A Moros would kill any carrier, since its drones have more firepower...
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:46:00 - [42] If the dread is being nossed by the carrier then the carrier will win. Otherwise the dread wins easily because it can permatank the drones. Shamis
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:46:00 - [43] If the dread is being nossed by the carrier then the carrier will win. Otherwise the dread wins easily because it can permatank the drones. Shamis
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:02:00 - [44] Erm, a single carrier has no firepower at all. Not in dread killing terms anyway...
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:28:00 - [45] Edited by: Ikvar on 09/01/2007 18:25:59 Get a Moros, fit 4 Cormack mag stabs on it (tank isn't needed), fit Ion Siege on it, fit an officer web on it. Go into siege a few KM from the carrier (carriers are NOT immune to EW, only motherships are), web it and open up. The carrier will die in a few volleys. Anyone who says that the carrier can win obviously has no experience with capitals. A well fit and skilled Dreadnaught in siege mode can tank HUNDREDS of fighters and you'd hope people would pay a little more attention to their cap recharge than would allow 5 or 6 heavy nos to break their tank). Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Noriath	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:37:00 - [46] I think a good carrier pilot would rather carry named Energy Destbilizers then NOS on his ship, a carrier has plenty enough energy to run repairers and whatever else he has, so why not go for the more powerful drain...
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:02:00 - [47] Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 09/01/2007 18:58:37 Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 08/01/2007 14:18:57 Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Sokratesz whereas the dread can be dampened down / jammed and thus will lose lock. It really depends on the support ships. No it can't, a Dread in seige mode is invulnerable to ECM of any kind. You're right, i forgot about that :P The dread will indeed have serious tracking issues when the carrier is moving and the latter can't break it's tank. However, if the dread gets nossed -or- the carrier gets webbed, the other will win. Thus, as i said, it all comes down to the suppurt fleet. With the current amount of capital ships in Eve, i'd like to see some more capital ship goodies - what about a capital NOS (2400 drain, 24s cycle), capital neutraliser (12k neutralized, 48s cycle) capital web (90%, 50km range) and capital scrambler (5pt, 50km range), capital shield extenders & armour plates. Maybe make them so they can only be activated on other capital ships 50km webber and scrammer.. /ji.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Ikvar Edited by: Ikvar on 09/01/2007 18:25:59 Get a Moros, fit 4 Cormack mag stabs on it (tank isn't needed), fit Ion Siege on it, fit an officer web on it. Go into siege a few KM from the carrier (carriers are NOT immune to EW, only motherships are), web it and open up. The carrier will die in a few volleys. Anyone who says that the carrier can win obviously has no experience with capitals. A well fit and skilled Dreadnaught in siege mode can tank HUNDREDS of fighters and you'd hope people would pay a little more attention to their cap recharge than would allow 5 or 6 heavy nos to break their tank). well my thanatos can tank about 6k damage per second are you gonna dish out that much in your moros? not even in your 4 cormack mag stab moros, which will not be able to tank fighters btw cuz it has 3 lowslots left for its tank
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:33:00 - [49] Edited by: Heikki on 09/01/2007 19:30:28 Originally by: VanillaChacolate If your carrier happened to be attacked by a dreadnought Your question seems to talk indicate typical capital fittings involved, since 'happened' doesn't sound like a planned thing. If it was a organized duel, with tanking focusing against enemy damage and expensive mods in use, I would bet on draw. Same also for case of POS fitted dread (the carrier would just fly away/orbit). Yet, if typical gank-dread would meet a random PvP carrier, I would bet on dread to be likely winner. For example, gank-Moros with 2-3xwebs, scrambler and 3xdamage mods would do about 4800 DPS with guns, + some 900 from drones. If the carrier doesn't have 85% resistances with sustainable dual reppers, it will slowly lose. So in summary: in prepared fights, a draw. In few not-that-unlikely PvP situations, the dread. Just the assumption of 'no gang mates getting involved' is rather unrealistic. -Lasse fooling around with such dread
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:35:00 - [50] Originally by: VanillaChacolate If your carrier happened to be attacked by a dreadnought Your question seems to indicate typical capital fittings involved, since 'happened' doesn't sound like a planned thing. If it was a organized duel, with tanking focusing against enemy damage and expensive mods in use, I would bet on draw. Same also for case of POS fitted dread (the carrier would just fly away/orbit). Yet, if typical gank-dread would meet a random PvP carrier, I would bet on dread to be likely winner. For example, gank-Moros with 2-3xwebs, scrambler and 3xdamage mods would do about 4800 DPS with guns, + some 900 from drones. If the carrier doesn't have 85% resistances with sustainable dual reppers, it will slowly lose. So in summary: in prepared fights, a draw. In few not-that-unlikely PvP situations, the dread. Just the assumption of 'no gang mates getting involved' is rather unrealistic. -Lasse fooling around with such dread

Altrex Stoppel SniggWaffe	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:05:00 - [51] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Sokratesz With the current amount of capital ships in Eve, i'd like to see some more capital ship goodies - what about a capital NOS (2400 drain, 24s cycle), capital neutraliser (12k neutralized, 48s cycle) capital web (90%, 50km range) and capital scrambler (5pt, 50km range), capital shield extenders & armour plates. Maybe make them so they can only be activated on other capital ships Check out officer webs, there fitting pretty much restricts them to capitals and they have pretty mad ranges too. With a lot of fitting mods and rigs you can fit one of those on a Rapier and with gang mods web out past 140km...if you're crazy and have a use for it Omg, Dark Shikari got pregnant with the forums! Great being a forum ***** isn't it?
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:53:00 - [52] neither wins, even both sat still, neither has the DPS to break the others tank. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Timmyu Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:34:00 - [53] Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Ikvar Edited by: Ikvar on 09/01/2007 18:25:59 Get a Moros, fit 4 Cormack mag stabs on it (tank isn't needed), fit Ion Siege on it, fit an officer web on it. Go into siege a few KM from the carrier (carriers are NOT immune to EW, only motherships are), web it and open up. The carrier will die in a few volleys. Anyone who says that the carrier can win obviously has no experience with capitals. A well fit and skilled Dreadnaught in siege mode can tank HUNDREDS of fighters and you'd hope people would pay a little more attention to their cap recharge than would allow 5 or 6 heavy nos to break their tank). well my thanatos can tank about 6k damage per second are you gonna dish out that much in your moros? not even in your 4 cormack mag stab moros, which will not be able to tank fighters btw cuz it has 3 lowslots left for its tank Not doubting you or anything Death, but id love to see the setup on your thanatos if it can tank 6000dps considering you can barely push an archon to tank that WITH rigs. also a carrier can tank one single dread no matter how many cormacks mag stabs he has on with a decent setup, so stalemate or... stupid question to start with because its a situation that wont ever happen!
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:49:00 - [54] To all those saying my dps on the carrier is crazy,i made it much more then it is normally just so that the carrier has as much dps as possible(ive never flown one and i cant trust quickfit) Like said before neither the dread nor the carrier would win unless either pilot is stupid,although given a moros can dish out alot of dps with blasters it isnt enough to break a carriers tank(tanking about 5-6k dps)and thats if it hits it __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:10:00 - [55] Edited by: Sokratesz on 09/01/2007 23:07:04 Originally by: Ikvar Anyone who says that the carrier can win obviously has no experience with capitals. A well fit and skilled Dreadnaught in siege mode can tank HUNDREDS of fighters and you'd hope people would pay a little more attention to their cap recharge than would allow 5 or 6 heavy nos to break their tank). Hehe after playing with a moros for a bit i can say..true..three cap control rigs + recharger II's + faction tank = overall 85% resists & indefinete repper even when firing guns AND being nossed by 1 heavies / neutralised by 8. Basilisk Fitting Link
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:48:00 - [56] Originally by: Deathbarrage well my thanatos can tank about 6k damage per second are you gonna dish out that much in your moros? not even in your 4 cormack mag stab moros, which will not be able to tank fighters btw cuz it has 3 lowslots left for its tank Yes, you can do 6k dps in a sieged moros. Even if I didn't fit ANY tank I could still kill a carrier before I died just through sheers number of hp. Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.


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