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VanillaChacolate	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:26:00 - [1] If your carrier happened to be attacked by a dreadnought, both were tackled but no other help arrived for either ship, who would win? Also, what is the best strategy for killing a dreadnought?
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:30:00 - [2] Edited by: Sokratesz on 08/01/2007 10:27:19 1 v 1 the dread would win. In siege mode it can kill a carrier in a matter of minutes. Once the carrier has its drones on it though, the carrier itself is invulnerable to ECM whereas the dread can be dampened down / jammed and thus will lose lock. It really depends on the support ships. Best way to kill a dread is 20 battleships with neutralisers - break its cap, break its tank, kill it. The moros and revelation also have the disadvantage of needing cap to run their guns whereas the naglfar and phoenix dont. Basilisk Fitting Link
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:33:00 - [3] Edited by: Chronus26 on 08/01/2007 10:34:05 Edited by: Chronus26 on 08/01/2007 10:31:24 Originally by: Sokratesz whereas the dread can be dampened down / jammed and thus will lose lock. It really depends on the support ships. No it can't, a Dread in seige mode is invulnerable to ECM of any kind. Originally by: VanillaChacolate If your carrier happened to be attacked by a dreadnought, both were tackled but no other help arrived for either ship, who would win? The dread would win easily as long as the carrier wasn't moving, if it was though it may just have a little trouble tracking. Originally by: VanillaChacolate Also, what is the best strategy for killing a dreadnought? 1. NOS. 2. Carriers -> assign fighters to frigs -> have frigs warp in and sic fighters on Dread. Sit back and wait for the boom. -----
MrRookie Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:34:00 - [4] Edited by: MrRookie on 08/01/2007 10:31:11 I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Dreads are invulnerable to ECM in siege mode. Besides killing cap eventually hurts the carrier aswell so 1 v 1 the dread got the upper hand. Bawh.. second guy being attacked by a pirat in a complex Originally by:* Noluck Ned Notify Concord is on their way to help you, just hang in there, they are waiting for the gatekeeper to respawn
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:36:00 - [5] Assuming the carrier pilot isn't flying the yearly profits of his 3 T2 BPO:s, he'll get toasted. There is a fit though that can tank two fully skilled Moros pilots but it's very cap intensive and easy to break in case anyone has some neuts.
Dragy	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:37:00 - [6] Carrier wins. Why ? it still can move, goes to dread, orbits at 500m, nosses the dread and cause the dread normally can't hit dread's dead ... but with this hp boost it would be a lil different i think ...
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Dragy Carrier wins. Why ? it still can move, goes to dread, orbits at 500m, nosses the dread and cause the dread normally can't hit dread's dead ... but with this hp boost it would be a lil different i think ... If your fitting NOS on a carrier you've spent too long flying Domi's and need to rethink your setup. -----
Dragy	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Dragy Carrier wins. Why ? it still can move, goes to dread, orbits at 500m, nosses the dread and cause the dread normally can't hit dread's dead ... but with this hp boost it would be a lil different i think ... If your fitting NOS on a carrier you've spent too long flying Domi's and need to rethink your setup. I never flown a domi, and never will. Just aint my style. I've seen many carrier vs dread fights on sisi and that's how every one ended ...
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Dragy Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Dragy Carrier wins. Why ? it still can move, goes to dread, orbits at 500m, nosses the dread and cause the dread normally can't hit dread's dead ... but with this hp boost it would be a lil different i think ... If your fitting NOS on a carrier you've spent too long flying Domi's and need to rethink your setup. I never flown a domi, and never will. Just aint my style. I've seen many carrier vs dread fights on sisi and that's how every one ended ... I'm not debating the Transversal point, I'm just pointing out that heavy NOS on a carrier is a bit of a waste. It's all fine and well on SiSi though... -----
Dragy	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Dragy Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Dragy Carrier wins. Why ? it still can move, goes to dread, orbits at 500m, nosses the dread and cause the dread normally can't hit dread's dead ... but with this hp boost it would be a lil different i think ... If your fitting NOS on a carrier you've spent too long flying Domi's and need to rethink your setup. I never flown a domi, and never will. Just aint my style. I've seen many carrier vs dread fights on sisi and that's how every one ended ... I'm not debating the Transversal point, I'm just pointing out that heavy NOS on a carrier is a bit of a waste. It's all fine and well on SiSi though... Aye, i was talking about nos. Imo fighters should get a lil damage boost, but that's another story

gordon cain Minmatar x13	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:58:00 - [11] You cant kill a carrier with a single dread if no nossing is involved. That goes for the archon but I am pretty sure its goes for the rest of the carriers also. gordon
Twin blade Minmatar The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2007.01.08 13:21:00 - [12] If the carrier was to send 15 fighter's to the dread out of siege mode it might overpower his tank but in Siege mode with out Nos/Neut's its pointless. Unless 1 of the has a real bad fit or afk there is no real way for a carrier/dread to solo the other. By bad Fit i mean Large armor reps or Xl shield booster's and not the Cap versions and so on. !
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2007.01.08 13:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Twin blade If the carrier was to send 15 fighter's to the dread out of siege mode it might overpower his tank but in Siege mode with out Nos/Neut's its pointless. Unless 1 of the has a real bad fit or afk there is no real way for a carrier/dread to solo the other. By bad Fit i mean Large armor reps or Xl shield booster's and not the Cap versions and so on. Raises the question... who's gonna go soloing an a capital anyway...? -----
ZigZag Joe The Republican Guard The Sundering	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:14:00 - [14] Ginger. << zigzag forever. >>
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:18:00 - [15] Originally by: ZigZag Joe Ginger. hah, well he is the greatest pvper in eve so hes allowed /me goes off to find October Snow KB and gingers carrier losses to date. -----
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Sokratesz on 08/01/2007 14:18:57 Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Sokratesz whereas the dread can be dampened down / jammed and thus will lose lock. It really depends on the support ships. No it can't, a Dread in seige mode is invulnerable to ECM of any kind. You're right, i forgot about that :P The dread will indeed have serious tracking issues when the carrier is moving and the latter can't break it's tank. However, if the dread gets nossed -or- the carrier gets webbed, the other will win. Thus, as i said, it all comes down to the suppurt fleet. With the current amount of capital ships in Eve, i'd like to see some more capital ship goodies - what about a capital NOS (2400 drain, 24s cycle), capital neutraliser (12k neutralized, 48s cycle) capital web (90%, 50km range) and capital scrambler (5pt, 50km range), capital shield extenders & armour plates. Maybe make them so they can only be activated on other capital ships Basilisk Fitting Link
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Sokratesz With the current amount of capital ships in Eve, i'd like to see some more capital ship goodies - what about a capital NOS (2400 drain, 24s cycle), capital neutraliser (12k neutralized, 48s cycle) capital web (90%, 50km range) and capital scrambler (5pt, 50km range), capital shield extenders & armour plates. Maybe make them so they can only be activated on other capital ships Check out officer webs, there fitting pretty much restricts them to capitals and they have pretty mad ranges too. -----
Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:19:00 - [18] In the case the Op described the carrier would win. Its drones benifit from it's skills and damage bonuses as long as they aren't asigned so they'll put out some decent damage. All the carrier has to do is to keep orbiting the dread and keep its speed up vs. a phoenix and it can tank rather comfortably. Then its meerly a matter of waiting for the dread to run out of stront. It'll take ages and in the real world help for either side would be there, failing that, the carrier will end up winning. ----
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:23:00 - [19] actually neither will kill either since they can tank eachother
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Chronus26 Check out officer webs, there fitting pretty much restricts them to capitals and they have pretty mad ranges too. Yes, but they are mostly unavailable or more expensive than a carrier ...

Waxau Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:35:00 - [21] Edited by: Waxau on 08/01/2007 15:37:01 I cant tank for the other dreads - But for a phoenix, it would chomp through a nidhogger. It would slowly chomp thru a thanatos also (take a good 40 mins tho). Chimera would be easier to take down. With the ability to choose damage, it can choose to kill the carrier with its weakest tank. Plus the chimera cannot cant for a long period of time, but can tank ALOT of damage in that small time. So it'll take a bit less time. Archon would be near impossible 1v1 tho. So - Nidhogger, Chimera, Thanatos, Archon (in terms of time to kill). Phoenix can tank em all near on forever, unless noss'd
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:11:00 - [22] A good dread pilot would be able to tank the carrier forever,lets look at the figures. Average dps of a thanatos with maxed out skills ie carrier 5 fighters 5 etc...is about 5000,now factor in the dread resists(lets say 80 across the board)1000 dps to the dreads tank,thats 15000 damage a rep cycle,a dread could rep about 40000 a rep cycle with dual armor reps,so it could even tank the carrier forever with one rep. As for the carrier its probably the same story,to be honest this would probably be the slowest 1v1 fight on the planet in actual speed and length(bar my shuttle vs shuttle fight). In the end i think neither of them could break eachothers tank unless somebody did something stupid or a fleet warps in. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:16:00 - [23] carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 and a dread does 3000 also something like that i think every carrier in this game can tank 3000 DPS if you're willing to spend some isk on faction mods which is mandatory for a carrier imho
Tunajuice Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:03:00 - [24] The word is, a seiged dread can tank 50-150 fighters depending on level of gear and amount of reps. tracking is so bad on the dread, the carrier could orbit at 500m. I don't think either would ever die ;P
Soros 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:06:00 - [25] Dread. Dread cant be killed by a mothership either .. its a stalemate pretty much unles the dread runs out of cap but if u hav a decent setup then u wont
Ortos Svefn-G-Englar	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:34:00 - [26] Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04 Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4. EDIT: And look, I posted with my main
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:48:00 - [27] Edited by: Blind Man on 08/01/2007 17:44:34 Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04 Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4. EDIT: And look, I posted with my main lol check your math again its more like around 1.5k for a good thanatos afaik
Arte Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:48:00 - [28] For the record, on sisi, a dread in seige mode couldn't hit my thanatos for anything worth a damn unless it was going 10m/s or less and that was at 20km. So assuming the carrier wasn't webbed (as well as tanked), then it's a no win situation; The carrier won't break the dreads tank in seige mode and the dread can't hit the carrier in seige mode. Out of seige mode, I wonder how much the situation changes but I would suspect that it becomes dependant on ranges and setups, then it's anybody's arguement.
Arte Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.01.08 19:04:00 - [29] Edited by: Arte on 08/01/2007 19:03:43 Originally by: Doomed Predator But what if the dread is a Phoenix?It doesn't need tracking In that case you'd have to apply the explosion velocity penalty which comes from the Siege Module 1 instead of the tracking penalty. Quote: tracking speed bonus -92,5% explosion velocity bonus -92,5%
Aryen Lacaille	Posted - 2007.01.08 19:43:00 - [30] It's Paladin versus Druid. It would never end and in reality, neither could kill each other, or have enough brunt to break the other ones tank. The far more likely scenario is one of them gets huge backup within minutes and owns the other. But if I had to choose, probably Carrier. Those fighters really do kick some ass.

DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.08 20:00:00 - [31] As with most things it totally depends on which dread and which carrier. i can't see a phoenix losing to any carrier tbh but a revealation i don't see hitting a moving carrier for very good hits unless it's webbed therefore being down to set up again. Cuold go either way but my money would be on the dread 9 times out of 10 tbh. DE
Ortos Svefn-G-Englar	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:59:00 - [32] Edited by: Ortos on 09/01/2007 06:59:39 Originally by: Blind Man Edited by: Blind Man on 08/01/2007 17:44:34 Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04 Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4. EDIT: And look, I posted with my main lol check your math again its more like around 1.5k for a good thanatos afaik First of all... Your sig scares me. (BOOST MINMATAR!) Secondly...As Far As You Know? My math might very well be off, but I'm not accepting that on the grounds of an assumption. Show some proof. Also, just quickly running it through quickfit I can get 2500 dps from a Thanatos. (EDIT: Oops, forgot advanced drone interfacing. make that 3750 dps)
Rigsta Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: ZigZag Joe Ginger. hah, well he is the greatest pvper in eve so hes allowed /me goes off to find October Snow KB and gingers carrier losses to date. LMAO I laughed so much at those two posts XD /wipes tears Originally by: Jim McGregor I felt the disturbance... it was like a million voices suddenly stopped whining for a second. Unfortunantly it then continued.
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 09/01/2007 06:59:39 Originally by: Blind Man Edited by: Blind Man on 08/01/2007 17:44:34 Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04 Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4. EDIT: And look, I posted with my main lol check your math again its more like around 1.5k for a good thanatos afaik First of all... Your sig scares me. (BOOST MINMATAR!) Secondly...As Far As You Know? My math might very well be off, but I'm not accepting that on the grounds of an assumption. Show some proof. Also, just quickly running it through quickfit I can get 2500 dps from a Thanatos. (EDIT: Oops, forgot advanced drone interfacing. make that 3750 dps) Fighter Base Damage [50] * 2 (Fighter V) * 1.25 * 15 = 1875 DPS [Max Skill Than] Quickfit is wrong, it assumes that Drone Interfacing effects fighters, it doesn't. Tanking Survivability Calculator
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 09/01/2007 06:59:39 Originally by: Blind Man Edited by: Blind Man on 08/01/2007 17:44:34 Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04 Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4. EDIT: And look, I posted with my main lol check your math again its more like around 1.5k for a good thanatos afaik First of all... Your sig scares me. (BOOST MINMATAR!) Secondly...As Far As You Know? My math might very well be off, but I'm not accepting that on the grounds of an assumption. Show some proof. Also, just quickly running it through quickfit I can get 2500 dps from a Thanatos. (EDIT: Oops, forgot advanced drone interfacing. make that 3750 dps) Fighter Base Damage [50] * 2 (Fighter V) * 1.25 * 15 = 1875 DPS [Max Skill Than] Quickfit is wrong, it assumes that Drone Interfacing effects fighters, it doesn't. I just bug reported that, hopefuly Rahzelk will get round to fixing it for the next release. -----
Turtla U Itachi	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:37:00 - [36] carrier skill lvl 5 (5% per lvl not 10% like says on eve-o item database) fighter skill lvl 5 (20% per lvl) Dragonfly: 4,251,252 = 10,625 10,62575 = 796,875 796,875/6,38 =124,9dps Einherji: 2,51,252 = 6,25 6,2575 = 468,75 468,75/3,75 = 125dps FIrbolg: 3,51,252 = 8,75 8,7575 = 656,25 656,25/5,25 = 125dps Templar: 41,252 = 10 1075 = 750 750/6= 125dps So you could say that each fighter has 125 dps :D Now im going to use my 5 drone control units so i can use 15 fighters 125*15 = 1875 dps
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:10:00 - [37] A dread with short range guns(faster tracking) and 90% web +webber drones probably can still hit a close orbitting carrier. But a lot of carriers fit smartbombs, so the drones cannot be used very effectively:p Haven't tried out a webby on a dread ever so would have to test that. got no cool sig
Dragy	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Turtla Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04 Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4. EDIT: And look, I posted with my main How did you get that uber dmg??? Well with my carrier lvl 5, fighter lvl 5 and flying a Thanatos with 5 Drone Control Units = 1875dps (skills that affect fighter= figthters + carrier skill if you are flying a Thanatos) Doesn't drone interfacing affect fighters ?
Mututonga	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:26:00 - [39] I have tested a -90% webber (on the dread) vs close range (roughly 2km) BS and i hit them fine in my sieged Revelation so I dont know where all this crap tracking comes from. Carrier would go even slower and has a larger sig radius so I'm sure it would be hittable.
Noriath	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:38:00 - [40] A Moros would kill any carrier, since its drones have more firepower...

Noriath	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:38:00 - [41] A Moros would kill any carrier, since its drones have more firepower...
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:46:00 - [42] If the dread is being nossed by the carrier then the carrier will win. Otherwise the dread wins easily because it can permatank the drones. Shamis
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:46:00 - [43] If the dread is being nossed by the carrier then the carrier will win. Otherwise the dread wins easily because it can permatank the drones. Shamis
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:02:00 - [44] Erm, a single carrier has no firepower at all. Not in dread killing terms anyway...
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:28:00 - [45] Edited by: Ikvar on 09/01/2007 18:25:59 Get a Moros, fit 4 Cormack mag stabs on it (tank isn't needed), fit Ion Siege on it, fit an officer web on it. Go into siege a few KM from the carrier (carriers are NOT immune to EW, only motherships are), web it and open up. The carrier will die in a few volleys. Anyone who says that the carrier can win obviously has no experience with capitals. A well fit and skilled Dreadnaught in siege mode can tank HUNDREDS of fighters and you'd hope people would pay a little more attention to their cap recharge than would allow 5 or 6 heavy nos to break their tank). Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Noriath	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:37:00 - [46] I think a good carrier pilot would rather carry named Energy Destbilizers then NOS on his ship, a carrier has plenty enough energy to run repairers and whatever else he has, so why not go for the more powerful drain...
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:02:00 - [47] Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 09/01/2007 18:58:37 Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 08/01/2007 14:18:57 Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Sokratesz whereas the dread can be dampened down / jammed and thus will lose lock. It really depends on the support ships. No it can't, a Dread in seige mode is invulnerable to ECM of any kind. You're right, i forgot about that :P The dread will indeed have serious tracking issues when the carrier is moving and the latter can't break it's tank. However, if the dread gets nossed -or- the carrier gets webbed, the other will win. Thus, as i said, it all comes down to the suppurt fleet. With the current amount of capital ships in Eve, i'd like to see some more capital ship goodies - what about a capital NOS (2400 drain, 24s cycle), capital neutraliser (12k neutralized, 48s cycle) capital web (90%, 50km range) and capital scrambler (5pt, 50km range), capital shield extenders & armour plates. Maybe make them so they can only be activated on other capital ships 50km webber and scrammer.. /ji.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Ikvar Edited by: Ikvar on 09/01/2007 18:25:59 Get a Moros, fit 4 Cormack mag stabs on it (tank isn't needed), fit Ion Siege on it, fit an officer web on it. Go into siege a few KM from the carrier (carriers are NOT immune to EW, only motherships are), web it and open up. The carrier will die in a few volleys. Anyone who says that the carrier can win obviously has no experience with capitals. A well fit and skilled Dreadnaught in siege mode can tank HUNDREDS of fighters and you'd hope people would pay a little more attention to their cap recharge than would allow 5 or 6 heavy nos to break their tank). well my thanatos can tank about 6k damage per second are you gonna dish out that much in your moros? not even in your 4 cormack mag stab moros, which will not be able to tank fighters btw cuz it has 3 lowslots left for its tank
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:33:00 - [49] Edited by: Heikki on 09/01/2007 19:30:28 Originally by: VanillaChacolate If your carrier happened to be attacked by a dreadnought Your question seems to talk indicate typical capital fittings involved, since 'happened' doesn't sound like a planned thing. If it was a organized duel, with tanking focusing against enemy damage and expensive mods in use, I would bet on draw. Same also for case of POS fitted dread (the carrier would just fly away/orbit). Yet, if typical gank-dread would meet a random PvP carrier, I would bet on dread to be likely winner. For example, gank-Moros with 2-3xwebs, scrambler and 3xdamage mods would do about 4800 DPS with guns, + some 900 from drones. If the carrier doesn't have 85% resistances with sustainable dual reppers, it will slowly lose. So in summary: in prepared fights, a draw. In few not-that-unlikely PvP situations, the dread. Just the assumption of 'no gang mates getting involved' is rather unrealistic. -Lasse fooling around with such dread
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:35:00 - [50] Originally by: VanillaChacolate If your carrier happened to be attacked by a dreadnought Your question seems to indicate typical capital fittings involved, since 'happened' doesn't sound like a planned thing. If it was a organized duel, with tanking focusing against enemy damage and expensive mods in use, I would bet on draw. Same also for case of POS fitted dread (the carrier would just fly away/orbit). Yet, if typical gank-dread would meet a random PvP carrier, I would bet on dread to be likely winner. For example, gank-Moros with 2-3xwebs, scrambler and 3xdamage mods would do about 4800 DPS with guns, + some 900 from drones. If the carrier doesn't have 85% resistances with sustainable dual reppers, it will slowly lose. So in summary: in prepared fights, a draw. In few not-that-unlikely PvP situations, the dread. Just the assumption of 'no gang mates getting involved' is rather unrealistic. -Lasse fooling around with such dread

Altrex Stoppel SniggWaffe	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:05:00 - [51] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Sokratesz With the current amount of capital ships in Eve, i'd like to see some more capital ship goodies - what about a capital NOS (2400 drain, 24s cycle), capital neutraliser (12k neutralized, 48s cycle) capital web (90%, 50km range) and capital scrambler (5pt, 50km range), capital shield extenders & armour plates. Maybe make them so they can only be activated on other capital ships Check out officer webs, there fitting pretty much restricts them to capitals and they have pretty mad ranges too. With a lot of fitting mods and rigs you can fit one of those on a Rapier and with gang mods web out past 140km...if you're crazy and have a use for it Omg, Dark Shikari got pregnant with the forums! Great being a forum ***** isn't it?
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:53:00 - [52] neither wins, even both sat still, neither has the DPS to break the others tank. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Timmyu Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:34:00 - [53] Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Ikvar Edited by: Ikvar on 09/01/2007 18:25:59 Get a Moros, fit 4 Cormack mag stabs on it (tank isn't needed), fit Ion Siege on it, fit an officer web on it. Go into siege a few KM from the carrier (carriers are NOT immune to EW, only motherships are), web it and open up. The carrier will die in a few volleys. Anyone who says that the carrier can win obviously has no experience with capitals. A well fit and skilled Dreadnaught in siege mode can tank HUNDREDS of fighters and you'd hope people would pay a little more attention to their cap recharge than would allow 5 or 6 heavy nos to break their tank). well my thanatos can tank about 6k damage per second are you gonna dish out that much in your moros? not even in your 4 cormack mag stab moros, which will not be able to tank fighters btw cuz it has 3 lowslots left for its tank Not doubting you or anything Death, but id love to see the setup on your thanatos if it can tank 6000dps considering you can barely push an archon to tank that WITH rigs. also a carrier can tank one single dread no matter how many cormacks mag stabs he has on with a decent setup, so stalemate or... stupid question to start with because its a situation that wont ever happen!
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:49:00 - [54] To all those saying my dps on the carrier is crazy,i made it much more then it is normally just so that the carrier has as much dps as possible(ive never flown one and i cant trust quickfit) Like said before neither the dread nor the carrier would win unless either pilot is stupid,although given a moros can dish out alot of dps with blasters it isnt enough to break a carriers tank(tanking about 5-6k dps)and thats if it hits it __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:10:00 - [55] Edited by: Sokratesz on 09/01/2007 23:07:04 Originally by: Ikvar Anyone who says that the carrier can win obviously has no experience with capitals. A well fit and skilled Dreadnaught in siege mode can tank HUNDREDS of fighters and you'd hope people would pay a little more attention to their cap recharge than would allow 5 or 6 heavy nos to break their tank). Hehe after playing with a moros for a bit i can say..true..three cap control rigs + recharger II's + faction tank = overall 85% resists & indefinete repper even when firing guns AND being nossed by 1 heavies / neutralised by 8. Basilisk Fitting Link
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:48:00 - [56] Originally by: Deathbarrage well my thanatos can tank about 6k damage per second are you gonna dish out that much in your moros? not even in your 4 cormack mag stab moros, which will not be able to tank fighters btw cuz it has 3 lowslots left for its tank Yes, you can do 6k dps in a sieged moros. Even if I didn't fit ANY tank I could still kill a carrier before I died just through sheers number of hp. Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.


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