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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:27:00 -
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The forever running xl shield booster raven or passive shield tanked drake make for great forum whoring while running a lvl 4 mission, but where is the challenge ?
I hereby ask ccp to make lvl 4 missions a lot harder.
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Hephaesteus
Gallente
PILGRIMS
Insane Asylum
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:51:00 -
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If you find running lvl 4 mission in a raven too easy try using a smaller ship, makes them a lot more involving.
Personally i'd love to see lvl 5 missions released. Based on gang orientation, now that would be a nice addition to Eve.
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Trevor McDonald
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:53:00 -
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I agree & I dont even have a GIST booster, you would have though prices of them would drop now that 3 CCC rigs makes an XL much easier to handle.
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Jin Freaks
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:14:00 -
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There is an easy way to make lvl 4s more difficult. /takes nerfbat and beats caldari to pulp.
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Animus Moth
The Butterfly FX
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:20:00 -
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I would have to agree that if something is easy on a BS do it on a BC and sweat a bit more.
/emote loves his 3xCCC Raven too much to let it go 
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DOARota
Gallente
Drones of Annihilation
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.08 18:43:00 -
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If you want a challenge, try doing them with a ship from the 3 "non-god" races.I feel it will be a very long time before there is a "Caldari-rebalance" so it might be your best option.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.08 19:02:00 -
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I support all the posts above me with the exclusion of the OP.
The principal problem aren't the rig, it is that Raven e Drake are mission running machines, with a performance way greater than the ships by the other races.
Said that; I think rigs are broken, but because they are too efficent and at the same time they require too much componets.
Most of them give bonus in the 10-15% range, as a good module, and require more than 1 hundred of components.
Personally I would have liked them more if they were in the 5% range, (with obviously reduced malus), no staking penalities with modules but heavy staking penalities with identical rigs (maybe increased calibration cost instead of reduced efficency).
That would have increased diversity.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.08 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 08/01/2007 19:14:43
Like others said: drop the raven. Use a turret boat, especially one with cap-sucking hybrids or lasers.
As for making them harder: I do not want to have to fly a Raven to be able to beat them, other battleships should be able to do them just fine.
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Drek Grapper
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Posted - 2007.01.08 19:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
The forever running xl shield booster raven or passive shield tanked drake make for great forum whoring while running a lvl 4 mission, but where is the challenge ?
I hereby ask ccp to make lvl 4 missions a lot harder.
Um..not all of us fly a Raven/Caldari. I've just started the 4's in a Minni BS and its one hell of a challenge!
If you do missions to earn isk...keep doing what you are and dont rock the boat.
If you want a challenge...as the other posters have mentioned, use a smaller/different ship.
Its not rocket science. 
Drek
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Peter Stuyvesant
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:04:00 -
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Ban missile use in deadspace, like it is with MWD  
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Kaptein Trefot
Caldari
Calista Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.08 21:01:00 -
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Here is a suggestion. If its to easy with rigs - dont use em! 
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Malleficaria
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Posted - 2007.01.08 21:46:00 -
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/emote way way way signed the above
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Animus Moth
The Butterfly FX
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Posted - 2007.01.08 21:49:00 -
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/me also signs.
Neway tbh rigs only helped out a bit more .. I was already running the booster permanently a long time before Kali, don't c the point in beating a dead goat.
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Stickybud
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Posted - 2007.01.24 23:10:00 -
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I'm with the don't rock the boat guy....some lvl 4's may be a bit too easy but why does everything have to be impossible? there are still some tough missions out there...working on lvl 5 missions I think is the way to go, it is...press for that 
theres still a few that i decline cuz they are a bit rough in a T2 fitting without rigs...maybe just drop the rigs
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Xyorite
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Posted - 2007.01.25 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Xyorite on 25/01/2007 04:28:10
Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
The forever running xl shield booster raven or passive shield tanked drake make for great forum whoring while running a lvl 4 mission, but where is the challenge ?
I hereby ask ccp to make lvl 4 missions a lot harder.
Perma-Shields? I just tried to fit one with the new QuickFit that supports Rigs but could not do it with maxed skill with tech2 gear. Does it take using faction gear to do this or is QuickFit not figuring out rigs right? I would like to see a fitting that can do this if someone has one.
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Zions Daughter
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Posted - 2007.01.25 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Zions Daughter on 25/01/2007 04:45:37
Edited by: Zions Daughter on 25/01/2007 04:45:23
i'd also like to see this setup.... but still, caldari are meganerfed in pvp, so they do well in pve, STOP NERFING THEM DAMNIT!
edit: poster= alt
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Sanzorz
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.01.25 09:12:00 -
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Not all are able to buy the rigs due to money. Would be silly to increase the difficulty of missions for that reason.
As said, I'm not in a Raven either and just started on lvl 3 in a Prophecy.
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FalconHawk
Amarr
Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.25 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
The forever running xl shield booster raven or passive shield tanked drake make for great forum whoring while running a lvl 4 mission, but where is the challenge ?
I hereby ask ccp to make lvl 4 missions a lot harder.
i hereby ask CCP to nerf that 2 ship to hell and back :p maybe that will serve your problem 
simply not all players prefer Caldari missile spammer ships
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MoonDigger
New Dawn Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.25 13:25:00 -
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OMG another one of those nerf this and nerf that. All of you that have problems with any ship in lvl4 missions are not doing the right thing. My friend is using minmatar ships and he has no problems with lvl4 missions why cos he knows how to use his ship. Its not always going for that wrecking shot and not having any tracking. Stop asking for nerfs and start learning the right skills to use the stuff that you buy from the market. I dont cry cos my raven sucks in pvp i live with it and suck it up and again with the right setup i still manage to beat ppl in my raven in pvp from time to time. Raven is as good in running missions as any other ship if you know how to use your stuff. By the way by nerfing one race you are just making it harder for your selfs as well whene they see that the nerf you asked for now is going to make your apoc or what ever other ship way too uber for anything else. Topics like this are discusting.
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godders89
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
The forever running xl shield booster raven
wats the setup on that then cus i never could get ir to run without running out
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Terghon Tu
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.25 19:02:00 -
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I think a big problem is the fact that you can even run a capital-class (XL) shield booster on a Raven, let alone run it forever. If the Drake has a similar potential regen with passive regen only, obviously a little tweaking there wouldn't hurt either.
I run Amarr ships (pauses for everyone to roll their eyes) and find some of the L4s very challenging. Most of them aren't bad, but quite a few are very safe. I have about 13-million skill points, no faction gear, and mostly T2 fittings (except for guns).
I'd love to see some L5 agents come out with missions that just plain can't be soloed even in an over-fitted and rigged Raven.
A lot of people complain about nerf requests, but you have to agree that there's a problem when well over half the mission-runners use a Raven (the PvE battleship of choice), and now PvPers are all flocking to the Rokh as the ultimate sniper ship.
I play my own game, and nerfing missiles or Caldari ships won't make it any more or less fun for me. I chose to go Amarr, and am having fun within that "limitation." But if I were a dev worried about overall balance, I'd be taking a hard look at Caldari ships and missiles.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.01.25 22:09:00 -
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I think the 'problem' can be nailed dovn to the CCC rig being too good. 15% CAP recharge each, and absolutely no disadvantage is just too much.
I fly a CNR myself in missions, and with 3 CCC's on it (this is quickfit figures since I haven't tried it), I can STILL fit 3 BCS II's and thus still deal out as much damage, while running my Gist C-Type X-Large SB, plus 3 Dread Guristas Invulns (which suck a lot of CAP compared to the normal ones) and a DC.
The only sacrifice I had to make was taking off a Shield Boost Amp and put a CAP Recharger II in instead.
Now, you used to be able to perma-boost a Gist equipped Raven before, but it required you to sacrifice damage to do so. Now, it can be done without any significant penalty.
In addition, there are NO other rigs that are useful on a 3 BCS equipped Raven. The missile ones don't stack well, and compared to the benefits of the CCC's, the rest are not worth it either.
But as I said, I think the cause of the imbalance is that the CCC is too good. Give it some disadvantages, and things will be fine.....
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Galimiy Portret
R.u.S.H.
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.26 00:21:00 -
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Shush, all of you! You are going to get them nerfed if you whine like this.
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Billbo Fagends
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Posted - 2007.01.26 08:30:00 -
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Running missions in a Raven was already a snooze fest long before rigs ever showed up. Every man and his dog,grand mother, baby sister, knows how stupidly easy level 4 missions are in a raven, there is a reason it is the most common bs used by mission runners. As others have said already try a turret boat, they will provide a greater challenge in level 4's, better still try Gallente or Amarr bs's where cap drain can be an issue to consider. I have flown the odd level 4 in a taranis, enyo, even a celestis just to see how well I can do, it is also a great way to practice using a high transversal approach, one*****up and your toast. They can take an absolute age to clear but can be tremendous fun, if you can't get out of your raven once in a while and find missions boring you only have yourself to blame.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:02:00 -
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Obviously the OP has not done the lvl4's in low sec cosmos, and is talking about the easy peasy lvl4's handed out by some agent in a 0.8 system. Please try Aurosad War Complex part 9 and then come back and lets see how well you tank 4k dps (of all damagetypes)
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Grimreaperr
The Eternal Knights
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Posted - 2007.01.26 12:44:00 -
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No matter what changes ccp make there's always a moaner trying to chage things for eveyone else, get a life its a game. If it don't suit you just change the way you do lvl 4 missions to make it harder for you!!!! |
MoonDigger
New Dawn Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.26 13:19:00 -
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Guys i have 23mil sp most of them are in combat for my raven. Shield and missiels skills are on max practiclly and i still dont think that missions are that easy in a t2 fitted raven. I do missions in a gisti fitted raven in empier and sure they are easy whene i have that booster that is very easy on cap and on that raven i have a em shield, rof and cap recharge rig. Works great no problems tanking anything at all. On my low sec raven i have an em, thermal and kinetic rig on it and all the rest of the setup is t2. With that t2 booster its very hard to run missions even with all the sp that i have and the low grade crystal implants. Who ever thinks that getting a raven will solve all your problems with mission runnin be my guest and try it before you start talking about things that you dont know about.
And plz send me that setup with a perm boost from a t2 xl booster on a raven i would love to know how can you make that happen even with all the cap rigs and have any resistance to do a mission and not get killed.
And as many ppl already wrote here learn to play the game and use your skills the right way. For the guy who wrote that its harder for amarr and gallente to run missions you should know that not every caldari uses missiels there are those rails as well and there are many that use them and i think they use the same amount of cap like any other gun exept the minmatar guns.
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passey
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Posted - 2007.01.26 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Terghon Tu
I think a big problem is the fact that you can even run a capital-class (XL) shield booster on a Raven,
well to let u know xl is not capital class a capital shield booster is capital class not xl
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.26 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Terghon Tu
I think a big problem is the fact that you can even run a capital-class (XL) shield booster on a Raven, let alone run it forever. If the Drake has a similar potential regen with passive regen only, obviously a little tweaking there wouldn't hurt either.
Capital Class Booster on a raven? A XL is not capital class, as this capital shield booster demonstrates. 75,000 powergrid means no raven is going to fit it.
You went on to talk about the Drake Passive regen - Guess what - A drake can do a simaler passive regen as a raven can via xlbooster active tank.
Then you talked about running lvl4's in a Amarr ship. I have ran them in amarr ships before, and here is a secret - Fit 2 7.5km or larger smartbombs and instablast those pesky rats. You also need a afterburner to catchup with those nasty rats that try to orbit you
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Elderberry Whine
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Posted - 2007.01.26 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
The forever running xl shield booster raven or passive shield tanked drake make for great forum whoring while running a lvl 4 mission, but where is the challenge ?
I hereby ask ccp to make lvl 4 missions a lot harder.
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