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Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.18 18:00:40 -
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So these amarr torniments are still only available to the high tier elite like Chessur and Elise Randolph.
So is the NT toryns and the upcoming gall one.
Where are the ccp created pvp team torniments fpr the COMMON WORKING MAN?
Dont act like "anyone could have joined amarr championship"
No they couldn't.
Why cant ccp cater to the COMMMON EVERYDAY AVERAGE JOE THAT WANTS TO COMPETE IN PVP EVENTS? |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
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Posted - 2015.11.18 18:08:52 -
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Shut up Meg CAM. |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
2038
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Posted - 2015.11.18 21:12:45 -
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I remember talking about something like that at a I think they called it e-sports round table at fanfest, however nothing seems to have gotten done about it.
Of course there are people that think an form of organized pvp is the anti-christ, and in direct opposition to everything eve stands for. In some cases I agree with that, for example if pvp became sit in station and queue up then magically teleport to content I think that would be a very bad thing. But at the same time I don't feel any motivation to organize or participate in player run events as the risk of outside interference seems too high. Also many rules are simply unenforceable.
In the current tournament environment it seems too easy for the top dogs to dominate, and as they accumulate more and more AT prize ships, and at experience that advantage grrows. Hydra and warlords pretty much dominated, but got disqualified for a reason that had nothing to do with their ability to win. Maybe top playes from those two alliances will go elsewhere for next year and the tournament will be full of good teams, or maybe most will just join PL or maybe make a new alliance.
at the same time if CCP starts doing a few matches each week what is the fun in it once something like the AT does roll around. how much spaceship combat will people watch? e-sports seems to be huge right now maybe there is an appetite for it. It might stop the first weekend from being a bunch of blow outs with a few interesting matches here and there. having some sort of rankings year round might even be a good way to seed teams for the AT to make it more interesting.
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Valacus
Streets of Fire
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Posted - 2015.11.18 21:31:53 -
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I would like to see a tournament where there was a completely different field other than the usual people competing in it. All of the tournaments thus far have been very predictable in who is going to be there. I don't like the buy in style of the AT, and I dislike the "random" choices made for the Amarr tournament even more. Make a tournament with an SP ceiling as opposed to an SP floor. That'll change the dynamic in a heart beat. |
Kharaxus
Ninja Pixels
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Posted - 2015.11.18 22:05:23 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Of course there are people that think an form of organized pvp is the anti-christ, and in direct opposition to everything eve stands for. In some cases I agree with that, for example if pvp became sit in station and queue up then magically teleport to content I think that would be a very bad thing. But at the same time I don't feel any motivation to organize or participate in player run events as the risk of outside interference seems too high. Also many rules are simply unenforceable.
Space gladiators!!
I agree with what you are saying here.
FW is already sort of a great way to do PVP in a "Arena" type space. A tournament would simply be a more condensed version. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
40850
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Posted - 2015.11.18 22:15:52 -
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Valacus wrote:I would like to see a tournament where there was a completely different field other than the usual people competing in it. All of the tournaments thus far have been very predictable in who is going to be there.
That comes down to the players being prepared to enter and for the most part, the players that are in the most tournaments are the ones that are interested in tournament play.
For the Amarr Championships for example, there were very few initial submissions to CCP seeking entry as a team captain. That may have influenced by the strict rules to qualify, tied into the RP for this event, but for other tournaments that hasn't been there.
In the New Eden Open we did see some entries out of left field (eg. the multiboxed fleet in NEO II), but for the most part, fields will only differ if more people enter.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.11.19 01:16:34 -
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Persifonne wrote: fpr the COMMON WORKING MAN? Except you're not a common working man. It has previously been determined you are a space cripple.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
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Posted - 2015.11.19 01:28:21 -
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Hey, while we're at it, lets just make it so if you lose a ship it respawns in your hangar, ganking illegal, and introduce micro-transactions for SP! I'm sure those are all great ideas since they make the game "more fun"! |
Zerinia
Alliance of Free Stars
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Posted - 2015.11.19 02:30:03 -
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@OP: 1v1 at the sun? |
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.19 02:35:15 -
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Zerinia wrote:@OP: 1v1 at the sun?
Okay but i want ccp to stream it and when i win i want them to give me special skins and /or plex as my tournament prize.
I aint saying lol sandbox make your own thunderdome tourney.
Ccp makes tournys for the HIGH TIER players. Why not for average joes?
Remember when they were gonna make us a thunderdome arena thingy?
Tgat isn't what i am demanding but i guess i can settle for that maybe |
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Zerinia
Alliance of Free Stars
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Posted - 2015.11.19 02:38:09 -
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Persifonne wrote:Zerinia wrote:@OP: 1v1 at the sun? Okay but i want ccp to stream it and when i win lose i want them to give me special skins and /or plex as my tournament prize. I aint saying lol sandbox make your own thunderdome tourney. Ccp makes tournys for the HIGH TIER players. Why not for average joes? Remember when they were gonna make us a thunderdome arena thingy? Tgat isn't what i am demanding but i guess i can settle for that maybe
So what you are saying is that you want to have the chance to get plex for your PvPing? TRUE INTENTIONS REVEALED. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2015.11.19 02:44:04 -
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Persifonne wrote:Why not for average joes?
Average Joes are just average. What's worth watching?
But even with current tournaments, average Joe's can enter (eg. Alliance tournament). They aren't discriminated against in that regard.
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Andrew Indy
POS Party
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Posted - 2015.11.19 03:32:25 -
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Persifonne wrote:Zerinia wrote:@OP: 1v1 at the sun? Okay but i want ccp to stream it and when i win i want them to give me special skins and /or plex as my tournament prize. I aint saying lol sandbox make your own thunderdome tourney. Ccp makes tournys for the HIGH TIER players. Why not for average joes? Remember when they were gonna make us a thunderdome arena thingy? Tgat isn't what i am demanding but i guess i can settle for that maybe
But if everyone is allowed in how will they pick who gets in. They can't give prizes to everyone or the market for plex/skins would implode.
If they have some sort of crazy elimination rounds (like 1000 rounds cos every man and his dog would enter) it would be a monumental task (last time I watched the alliance tourney the boundary explosions were controlled manually ect) and they could not televise it all. Then only good players would get in the proper tourney and you (or anyone else who did not get in) would still complain cos you did not get in. ("tears" Only people who are good at PVP got in" tears").
Random lottery, people would complain cos they did not get in.
Kill Boards, people would complain cos their boards are not good enough, or because people who got in just padded their KBs.
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Yang Aurilen
TunDraGon
Project.Mayhem.
983
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Posted - 2015.11.19 06:15:53 -
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Persifonne wrote:So these amarr torniments are still only available to the high tier elite like Chessur and Elise Randolph.
So is the NT toryns and the upcoming gall one.
Where are the ccp created pvp team torniments fpr the COMMON WORKING MAN?
Dont act like "anyone could have joined amarr championship"
No they couldn't.
Why cant ccp cater to the COMMMON EVERYDAY AVERAGE JOE THAT WANTS TO COMPETE IN PVP EVENTS?
Isn't that just the normal life of a capsuleer?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
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Posted - 2015.11.19 06:20:44 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:Persifonne wrote:Zerinia wrote:@OP: 1v1 at the sun? Okay but i want ccp to stream it and when i win i want them to give me special skins and /or plex as my tournament prize. I aint saying lol sandbox make your own thunderdome tourney. Ccp makes tournys for the HIGH TIER players. Why not for average joes? Remember when they were gonna make us a thunderdome arena thingy? Tgat isn't what i am demanding but i guess i can settle for that maybe But if everyone is allowed in how will they pick who gets in. They can't give prizes to everyone or the market for plex/skins would implode. If they have some sort of crazy elimination rounds (like 1000 rounds cos every man and his dog would enter) it would be a monumental task (last time I watched the alliance tourney the boundary explosions were controlled manually ect) and they could not televise it all. Then only good players would get in the proper tourney and you (or anyone else who did not get in) would still complain cos you did not get in. ("tears" Only people who are good at PVP got in" tears"). Random lottery, people would complain cos they did not get in. Kill Boards, people would complain cos their boards are not good enough, or because people who got in just padded their KBs.
You don't understand, Persifonne is the "Idea Person"... and leaves to others the incredibly difficult (and costly) job of actually making their idea even remotely practical. Of course, in the unlikely event that someone actually DOES figure out a way to make it practical, Persifonne will expect full credit.
By the way, if you haven't seen it yet, the full Amarr Championship is up on my YouTube channel. Link is in the sig. 
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Shecky THCfan
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.19 11:00:58 -
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I organized frig 1 on 1 tournament in my former alliance, participated in RvB Spring Cup and Tyrian Trophy.
Hardest thing was enforcing arena boundary so only thing i'd like from CCP is to create some sort of arena beacon whit which you could set boundaries. Create it so you can only rent it for ISK per day basis (make it a billion ISK per day or weekend, that way it could be another ISK sink).
If they do that we would se lot more player organized tournaments. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
40853
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Posted - 2015.11.19 11:11:45 -
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Shecky THCfan wrote:Hardest thing was enforcing arena boundary so only thing i'd like from CCP is to create some sort of arena beacon whit which you could set boundaries. Create it so you can only rent it for ISK per day basis (make it a billion ISK per day or weekend, that way it could be another ISK sink).
CCP have developed a deployable for that.
Each team in the lead up to the AT this year was provided with them, but many teams had problems with them, so they weren't widely used to my knowledge.
If you want something like that, it's probably worth a thread in F&I with a link to the original thread, here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=435072&find=unread
Either something like that to run tournaments on SiSi, or more limited functionality for TQ.
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Specia1 K
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.19 11:22:35 -
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Biomass.
All of them, OP.
Do it naow. |
Kharaxus
Ninja Pixels
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Posted - 2015.11.19 12:57:33 -
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FW is great because it is focused on an infrastructure, and specific systems with tiers for each system won. "Prizes" go to everybody because anybody can make LP. FW is solo - and is even better for building teamwork (fleets).
A tournament in Eve would have to start out totally random (a chance for everyday solo Joe's to become quite a bit more). It would have to be a chance for anybody to come out of the woodwork from anywhere without any strict guidelines in order to "enter".
Having a tournament for a "trophy", for solo individuals, would have to start at the beginning of the year (to make it fair) and then you accrue points each time you participate until you become eligible for a tier, accrue massive points for winning that tier, then move on to the next tier, and so on. Having a massive trophy at the end of the year, to one person, along with the massive PVP going on would attract attention to those willing to participate. Then the infrastructure in Eve would also benefit from mass spending.
A tournament as I am outlining wouldn't benefit from teamwork directly like FW does, however individuals make themselves known along with their abilities, which creates content, possibly corporations, and alliances. However in the end there would only be one.
Look at the Alaskan Iditarod. Started off as a relay to transport medicine up the "trail" to sick people. CCP could benefit from incorporating that concept into the teamwork needed for one individual to win a tournament.
Another example would be Iron Chef. The Chef competing, is supported by a massive infrastructure and relies on/worships that teamwork, but in the end he/she is in charge, and solely responsible. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2576
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Posted - 2015.11.19 17:34:51 -
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Persifonne wrote:So these amarr torniments are still only available to the high tier elite like Chessur and Elise Randolph.
Chessur and Elise lost to average joes in the Amarr tournament.
For whosoever shall lay his life down for his Lord
He shall be taken into the arms of God
And forever consecrated will he be.
-Amarr-Askura 2:3
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Shailagh
Shield of Mjolnir
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Posted - 2015.11.19 18:05:09 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Persifonne wrote:So these amarr torniments are still only available to the high tier elite like Chessur and Elise Randolph. Chessur and Elise lost to average joes in the Amarr tournament.
Only cuz of the most totally broken mechanic in the entire game.... ECM
And it is now banned from all future tournaments cuz Ccps Golden Boys lost cuz of it.
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Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
The G0dfathers
207
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Posted - 2015.11.19 18:50:38 -
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The tournament is a lottery draw. Just get some people together in an alliance format that lets you enter, pay the plex and off you go. It really isn't even close to elitist. Hell I was on the NEO I winning team, I've played in a lot of alliance and neo tournaments in several alliances or groups. They're brilliant fun to take part in, whatever the result, and they only cost whatever gets blown up. So if you can afford to do it, go for it. You won't regret it, I promise you. |
Anages
Rave Club
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Posted - 2015.11.19 19:41:02 -
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If ya don't like it, you don't have to watch it. I personally didn't watch this Amarr tourney, the Average Joe should stay away from watching smug-faces in a rigged competition. Just like you don't watch the Fifa World Cup. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2577
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Posted - 2015.11.19 19:52:40 -
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Shailagh wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Persifonne wrote:So these amarr torniments are still only available to the high tier elite like Chessur and Elise Randolph. Chessur and Elise lost to average joes in the Amarr tournament. Only cuz of the most totally broken mechanic in the entire game.... ECM And it is now banned from all future tournaments cuz Ccps Golden Boys lost cuz of it. Ignorant
ECM wasn't used in the Chessur fight.
For whosoever shall lay his life down for his Lord
He shall be taken into the arms of God
And forever consecrated will he be.
-Amarr-Askura 2:3
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