(Context: CCP is giving out holiday gifts, which can be chosen from the accout management system. One of the gifts are 2,000 Aurum)


What to do?

Shall we take them so CCP sees people is interested with the whole barbies in space businnes and the NEx MT scheme?

Or shall we leave them, as the NEx is pointlessly devoid while heaps of interesting stuff that work on Sisi are being held as placeholders at TQ for no good reason, and anyway the current MEGA-transaction prices are a bloody ripoff?

Or shall we hope (what else can we do? Shikata na gai!) that in the next days CCP will say something about the WiS issue so we can make an informed decission?

Or at least could we be assured that we won't be scammed by CCP's future actions if we take those AUR instead of something else we can use/sell/give away?

I'm taking the aurum for that day when they let us change bloodline and(hopefully and)/or race. Not much else really appealed to me, since I have a remap coming on the 21st anyway.

Ship skins, remaps, character re-customization for aurum please.

Why don't you round up your 2 friends and shoot the statue in Jita about it ?

How droll.

Remember: The Jita Riot was about 2 years of neglect, not just the NeX; MTs were only the final straw.

Good. Seems the Eve developers have come to see Aurum in exactly the same light that players opposed to Microtransactions contaminating Eve online do.

Yep, was simply an awful lot of insult to injury that we ended up with 2 years of nothing except a mandatory microtransaction display cabinet (CQ) at the cost of our familiar ship spinning functionality and it didn't help that most of the PR running from CCP came from monocle and thosand dollar jeans.

But I grant you, it was the final straw not the entirety of the issue.

(Context: CCP is giving out holiday gifts, which can be chosen from the accout management system. One of the gifts are 2,000 Aurum)


What to do?

Shall we take them so CCP sees people is interested with the whole barbies in space businnes and the NEx MT scheme?

Or shall we leave them, as the NEx is pointlessly devoid while heaps of interesting stuff that work on Sisi are being held as placeholders at TQ for no good reason, and anyway the current MEGA-transaction prices are a bloody ripoff?

Or shall we hope (what else can we do? Shikata na gai!) that in the next days CCP will say something about the WiS issue so we can make an informed decission?

Or at least could we be assured that we won't be scammed by CCP's future actions if we take those AUR instead of something else we can use/sell/give away?

Customization of ship skins is something many of us have been waiting for since 2003 and seeing as the graphic framework (v3'ing) is being done on our subscription dollar why do you support the skins being considered optional content that you pay extra for rather than the basis for player to player industrial investment and marketing in game?

Furthermore, why do you believe in pushing convenience microtransactions that provide a skill training advantage into a premium subscription MMO that prides itself on its player led economic sandbox? Whats NeXt? Aurum for skill points? You may as well argue for that if you are going for the remap route.

the reality of the situation is that your point of view is profoundly unpopular and came close to killing this game last autumn. CCP have now removed head from ass and are moving in the proper direction once more and you want them to go back to the bad old days of CCP monocle and thousand dollar jeans?

Damn shame.

Service that didn't exist before, didn't require a lot of development, provided a nice isk sink and didn't impinge upon anybodies gameplay.

I don't believe my subscription entitles me to anything more than logging in and playing the game as provided and I have no problem with not being able to manufacture vanity items. I can't manufacture the new implants or Quafe Zero so I'm not about to start complaining that I can't manufacture a shirt.

The day CCP starts handing out free skill points to everyone as yearly gifts so long as you don't go away on holidays over christmas then yes, I will tolerate skill training boosters available for aurum. But they won't, so I don't.

Ahh, so NEX was killing eve. I thought for a while that it was CCP focusing on WiS, WoD and Dust to the exclusion of most everything else that was the problem, not a few clothes developed using the already integrated character creator and a hastily hobbled together storefront providing me the opportunity to purchase vanity items for ISK.

What? We're talking about the NeX here: that thing that apparently required a whole lot of development (since it wasn't released at a fully-featured state); which provided no ISK sink (since it didn't accept ISKGǪ or indeed, anything as payment due to the aforementioned development problems); and which impinged on the entire industrial sphere of EVE.

Your point of view perhaps, but it is a minority one. Why should the fact you don't mind paying microtransaction fees on top of premium subs mean that other players who disagree should be denied the content they want and ability to manufacture and retail customization items in game? I think you are arguing the case as a gamer who has gotten used to MT models in other games and you are trying to bring them to Eve where they simply don't fit.



You just argued for skill remaps for aurum. The two things are related.



Again these things are related.

There were no microtransactions.

I havent been able to log in for weeks, although hopefully I can next week once the last parts for my new pc arrive.

I didnt see anything that I liked though, I dont need remaps or aurum. I wish ccp would remove nex store so it could be blissfully forgotten. If there was quafe zero I would propably take it and wonder where I might use it.

What to do?

Shall we take them so CCP sees people is interested with the whole barbies in space businnes and the NEx MT scheme?

keep banging your head against the wall jade, these ones are lost to us forever.

Call me a hopeless idealist. I like to believe that people can be helped to understand things.

So this thing that apparently required a whole lot of development wasn't released in a fully featured state. Seems like a bit of a contradiction there.

As for the whole industry argument, I'll start supporting it when I can make state issue ravens, vangels, mimirs, quafe zero, genolution implants.

All these things that just drop out of the sky and impinge upon eve's glorious industrial sphere sandbox.

That's the way the early missionaries felt.
We must make them understand!

Not really, no. Requires a lot of development + not given enough developers = not finished. Don't get me wrong: I kind of agree with you GÇö it most definitely shouldn't require any development time, since it's just a carbon copy of the LP store, but apparently it was a huge deal and very difficult. vOv
GǪoh, you mean those things that are unique and one-off gift items, rather than stuff that's supposed to be traded en masse on the market? Yeah, no. That's apples and bacon right there.
GǪexcept that those don't GÇ£just drop out of the skyGÇ¥ GÇö they are handed out in very small batches by CCP at very special occasions, rather than continuously generated. None of the NeX items GÇö current or proposed GÇö have any business existing outside of the normal market/industry cycle.

Hmmm, I thought ccp monocle and ccp thousand dollar jeans were the missionaries here trying to spread the holy word of virtual goods to the benighted subscription payment masses of Eve online.

It's ok, I think i get it.

In our hatred of all things NEX we shall turn a blind eye to game changing items being handed out by CCP and instead protest some vanity items available to all and sundry through the NeX or marketplace.

As soon as any game-changing items are actually handed out, that might be a relevant question.

Not that any of it matters, since the actual point remains the same: the NeX robs the game of new gameplay elements and doesn't serve any useful purpose for players.

So the free remaps being handed out to those people around to log in and claim them aren't game changing? They certainly seemed game changing during the whole plex4remaps debacle.


So the nex store is robbing eve of gameplay elements that weren't available before its conception, and of course not one person has ever bought a single item from the Nex so it isn't serving any useful purpose.

Right. Gotcha.

So the free remaps being handed out to those people around to log in and claim them aren't game changing? They certainly seemed game changing during the whole plex4remaps debacle.

So the nex store is robbing eve of gameplay elements that weren't available before its conception

and of course not one person has ever bought a single item from the Nex so it isn't serving any useful purpose.

Right. Gotcha.

Everyone has equal oppurtunity to get one of these free remaps don't they? The only restriction being that they have to log in and chose that one over the other chrismas present choices.