still not enough for monocle

Get the remap. It's what the cool kids do.
The poor kids get the fuel blocks.

P.S. Yes, the NEX is quite... ahem... I can't find the right word for it... hollow ? Desolate ? Void of interesting stuff at the time being ?

Monocle is so ugly they should pay people for wearing it.

The monocle is amazing.

Remaps are worthless on short term alts which you plan to merge onto a main account. Better to get fuel blocks on them and the remap on your main.
Your socioeconomic ramblings are insipid, hollow. Who in their right minds wouldn't want a remap most of all if it was useful to them genius?? Hurr durr I want a 1m ISK destroyer, don't give anyone like that advice, it's an affront to Darwin.

I believe in CCP.
I believe in WiS.
I'll take Aurum.

Do we have to make an consensus about how to feel about receiving an gift. Just take whatever you want and be happy you got something.

What are you smoking and why aren't you sharing

Remap obviously. The remap is worth more than everything else combined.

Or, more accurately, the remap is priceless GÇö everything else can just be bought for a (often rather small) price.

Do we have to make an consensus about how to feel about receiving an gift. Just take whatever you want and be happy you got something.

I'm taking Quafe Zero.

Remap obviously. The remap is worth more than everything else combined.

And once you hit 20mil or so SP, you dont really need remaps. I ended up several weeks without anything in skill queue, since it doesnt really matter... hmm lets see i can train .. hmm lets train ammar drone specs to V..

I'm taking Quafe Zero.

I picked

2 x Thrasher(lots of ammo)
1 x Medium hybrid
1 x Medium projectile
1 x Medium missile

All usefull to me. I don't use the remaps, I'm happy with my current attributes. Not sure what that guy with 20mil sp is talking about though. Training isn't importamt after 20mil sp?

I still have all my free AUR from eveisreal. Buy most of my clothes on the market. Would have been happy to add 2k more though.

Thanks CCP for all the goodies!

However, I can say - purely from unspoken nuances that arenGÇÖt covered by NDAs - that CCP seems to have backed away from the NeX store concept. Aurum seems to be a dirty word - or a bitter joke - around the office. This isn't to say that CCP will never implement some form of microtransactions, but the devs now contemplate the idea with a degree of care bordering on the terror - Microtransaction PTSD, as it were.

In case that some of you didn't decided yet, here's a word of advice from Mittens:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/208990/page/2



In case you already took the 2,000 AUR, I suggest to petition to withdraw your choice before holiday gifts are sent december 22nd.

(Frankly, I smelled rats about giving away an esteemed 250 million to people when everything else is around the 40 million mark...)

In case that some of you didn't decided yet, here's a word of advice from Mittens:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/208990/page/2



In case you already took the 2,000 AUR, I suggest to petition to withdraw your choice before holiday gifts are sent december 22nd.

(Frankly, I smelled rats about giving away an esteemed 250 million to people when everything else is around the 40 million mark...)

In case that some of you didn't decided yet, here's a word of advice from Mittens:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/208990/page/2



In case you already took the 2,000 AUR, I suggest to petition to withdraw your choice before holiday gifts are sent december 22nd.

(Frankly, I smelled rats about giving away an esteemed 250 million to people when everything else is around the 40 million mark...)

I am sure this is just another example of "The Mittani" blowing smoke out of his ass. CCP can't possibly be stupid enough to introduce something like the NEX store and then just drop it and let it stagnate forever just because of a few whiny bitches that don't understand that CCP needs to make money and can't possibly just ignore something that doesn't effect them if they don't want to use it.

Then again maybe they are...

Damn shame.

Service that didn't exist before, didn't require a lot of development, provided a nice isk sink and didn't impinge upon anybodies gameplay.

Killed by a bunch of binge drinking frat boys.

Thats ok, I hope CCP just moves the nex store and future items like ship skins etc to account management for real dollars, no more spending surplus isk on a monocle through the market. Account bound vanity items for cash only thanks.

Or just up the subscription rate and plex cost. Probably overdue for a bump.

those "few whiny bitches" are the difference between the company succeeding or failing. They are pretty much the user base who decided to express their strong disapproval for microtransactions this summer and autumn.

Your are remaking the same bankrupt arguments as NeX-advocates have all along that have been refuted a thosand times. CCP makes money by increasing the number of subscribers. You don't get to make a significant additional income from MT payments in a premium subscription total unless your customers are idiots. Just because some of the idiots are vocal idiots doesn't change this essential dynamic.

If you want to give CCP extra money without impacting the sandbox I suggest you withdraw a hundred bucks from an ATM machine, address an envelope to "CCP hilmar - Iceland", slip the cash inside and feel good about yourself.

(alternatively you could open a 2nd account or buy some extra plex).

Just quit pushing this NeX crap on the rest of us who want our contact delivered by in-game player-centric production systems that express the unique vision of the Eve single server universe.

(Context: CCP is giving out holiday gifts, which can be chosen from the accout management system. One of the gifts are 2,000 Aurum)


What to do?

Shall we take them so CCP sees people is interested with the whole barbies in space businnes and the NEx MT scheme?

Or shall we leave them, as the NEx is pointlessly devoid while heaps of interesting stuff that work on Sisi are being held as placeholders at TQ for no good reason, and anyway the current MEGA-transaction prices are a bloody ripoff?

Or shall we hope (what else can we do? Shikata na gai!) that in the next days CCP will say something about the WiS issue so we can make an informed decission?

Or at least could we be assured that we won't be scammed by CCP's future actions if we take those AUR instead of something else we can use/sell/give away?

I'm taking the aurum for that day when they let us change bloodline and(hopefully and)/or race. Not much else really appealed to me, since I have a remap coming on the 21st anyway.

Ship skins, remaps, character re-customization for aurum please.

Why don't you round up your 2 friends and shoot the statue in Jita about it ?

How droll.

Remember: The Jita Riot was about 2 years of neglect, not just the NeX; MTs were only the final straw.

Good. Seems the Eve developers have come to see Aurum in exactly the same light that players opposed to Microtransactions contaminating Eve online do.

Yep, was simply an awful lot of insult to injury that we ended up with 2 years of nothing except a mandatory microtransaction display cabinet (CQ) at the cost of our familiar ship spinning functionality and it didn't help that most of the PR running from CCP came from monocle and thosand dollar jeans.

But I grant you, it was the final straw not the entirety of the issue.

(Context: CCP is giving out holiday gifts, which can be chosen from the accout management system. One of the gifts are 2,000 Aurum)


What to do?

Shall we take them so CCP sees people is interested with the whole barbies in space businnes and the NEx MT scheme?

Or shall we leave them, as the NEx is pointlessly devoid while heaps of interesting stuff that work on Sisi are being held as placeholders at TQ for no good reason, and anyway the current MEGA-transaction prices are a bloody ripoff?

Or shall we hope (what else can we do? Shikata na gai!) that in the next days CCP will say something about the WiS issue so we can make an informed decission?

Or at least could we be assured that we won't be scammed by CCP's future actions if we take those AUR instead of something else we can use/sell/give away?

Customization of ship skins is something many of us have been waiting for since 2003 and seeing as the graphic framework (v3'ing) is being done on our subscription dollar why do you support the skins being considered optional content that you pay extra for rather than the basis for player to player industrial investment and marketing in game?

Furthermore, why do you believe in pushing convenience microtransactions that provide a skill training advantage into a premium subscription MMO that prides itself on its player led economic sandbox? Whats NeXt? Aurum for skill points? You may as well argue for that if you are going for the remap route.

the reality of the situation is that your point of view is profoundly unpopular and came close to killing this game last autumn. CCP have now removed head from ass and are moving in the proper direction once more and you want them to go back to the bad old days of CCP monocle and thousand dollar jeans?

Damn shame.

Service that didn't exist before, didn't require a lot of development, provided a nice isk sink and didn't impinge upon anybodies gameplay.

I don't believe my subscription entitles me to anything more than logging in and playing the game as provided and I have no problem with not being able to manufacture vanity items. I can't manufacture the new implants or Quafe Zero so I'm not about to start complaining that I can't manufacture a shirt.

The day CCP starts handing out free skill points to everyone as yearly gifts so long as you don't go away on holidays over christmas then yes, I will tolerate skill training boosters available for aurum. But they won't, so I don't.

Ahh, so NEX was killing eve. I thought for a while that it was CCP focusing on WiS, WoD and Dust to the exclusion of most everything else that was the problem, not a few clothes developed using the already integrated character creator and a hastily hobbled together storefront providing me the opportunity to purchase vanity items for ISK.

What? We're talking about the NeX here: that thing that apparently required a whole lot of development (since it wasn't released at a fully-featured state); which provided no ISK sink (since it didn't accept ISKGǪ or indeed, anything as payment due to the aforementioned development problems); and which impinged on the entire industrial sphere of EVE.

Your point of view perhaps, but it is a minority one. Why should the fact you don't mind paying microtransaction fees on top of premium subs mean that other players who disagree should be denied the content they want and ability to manufacture and retail customization items in game? I think you are arguing the case as a gamer who has gotten used to MT models in other games and you are trying to bring them to Eve where they simply don't fit.



You just argued for skill remaps for aurum. The two things are related.



Again these things are related.

There were no microtransactions.

I havent been able to log in for weeks, although hopefully I can next week once the last parts for my new pc arrive.

I didnt see anything that I liked though, I dont need remaps or aurum. I wish ccp would remove nex store so it could be blissfully forgotten. If there was quafe zero I would propably take it and wonder where I might use it.

What to do?

Shall we take them so CCP sees people is interested with the whole barbies in space businnes and the NEx MT scheme?

keep banging your head against the wall jade, these ones are lost to us forever.

Call me a hopeless idealist. I like to believe that people can be helped to understand things.

So this thing that apparently required a whole lot of development wasn't released in a fully featured state. Seems like a bit of a contradiction there.

As for the whole industry argument, I'll start supporting it when I can make state issue ravens, vangels, mimirs, quafe zero, genolution implants.

All these things that just drop out of the sky and impinge upon eve's glorious industrial sphere sandbox.

That's the way the early missionaries felt.
We must make them understand!

Not really, no. Requires a lot of development + not given enough developers = not finished. Don't get me wrong: I kind of agree with you GÇö it most definitely shouldn't require any development time, since it's just a carbon copy of the LP store, but apparently it was a huge deal and very difficult. vOv
GǪoh, you mean those things that are unique and one-off gift items, rather than stuff that's supposed to be traded en masse on the market? Yeah, no. That's apples and bacon right there.
GǪexcept that those don't GÇ£just drop out of the skyGÇ¥ GÇö they are handed out in very small batches by CCP at very special occasions, rather than continuously generated. None of the NeX items GÇö current or proposed GÇö have any business existing outside of the normal market/industry cycle.

Hmmm, I thought ccp monocle and ccp thousand dollar jeans were the missionaries here trying to spread the holy word of virtual goods to the benighted subscription payment masses of Eve online.

It's ok, I think i get it.

In our hatred of all things NEX we shall turn a blind eye to game changing items being handed out by CCP and instead protest some vanity items available to all and sundry through the NeX or marketplace.

As soon as any game-changing items are actually handed out, that might be a relevant question.

Not that any of it matters, since the actual point remains the same: the NeX robs the game of new gameplay elements and doesn't serve any useful purpose for players.

So the free remaps being handed out to those people around to log in and claim them aren't game changing? They certainly seemed game changing during the whole plex4remaps debacle.


So the nex store is robbing eve of gameplay elements that weren't available before its conception, and of course not one person has ever bought a single item from the Nex so it isn't serving any useful purpose.

Right. Gotcha.

So the free remaps being handed out to those people around to log in and claim them aren't game changing? They certainly seemed game changing during the whole plex4remaps debacle.

So the nex store is robbing eve of gameplay elements that weren't available before its conception

and of course not one person has ever bought a single item from the Nex so it isn't serving any useful purpose.

Right. Gotcha.

Everyone has equal oppurtunity to get one of these free remaps don't they? The only restriction being that they have to log in and chose that one over the other chrismas present choices.

I'm just glad our family decided not to go away for a month over xmas again like most other years. Were actually planning on New Zealand for a while.

Would've been annoying to get back and find out I'd missed out on a priceless xmas gift because I have this tendency to avoid computers whilst on holidays.

Shall we take them so CCP sees people is interested with the whole barbies in space businnes and the NEx MT scheme?

I will NOT be taking the Aurum for several reasons.

First, there's still no point buying NEX clothing from the store if you're the only one who can see it.

Next, there's no point in dressing up your character if you never turn on WiS.

Then, there's no point to the WiS expansion in general as it was a complete and total debacle.

Finally, the clothing items that are any good cost more than 2000 Aurum which means if I want those other items, I'll have to actually pay the difference out of pocket which I refuse to do.

That's the way the early missionaries felt.

We must make them understand!

Except that the missionaries of today are trying to sell MT and space barbies.

There is only one true god, his name is FiS.

We will not tolerate any other gods.

Heretics and prophets of false religions shall be fed to the lions.

We were all happy paying our monthly $$ and playing along with our FiS in EVE. Then you came along telling us that we were not happy att all ... no no ... what we experienced was not "true" happiness .... Though, if we would only succumb to the power of AUR we could become truly happy by spending more time in CQ and NEX playing space barbies instead of flying spaceships in space.

No, we simply spread the word amongst your congregation that there were alternatives. That we could peacefully coexist.

Just one problem: there are no alternatives, and as long as one steals from the other, they can't really coexist peacefullyGǪ

Incarna is an example of your way of thinking (zero content outside the NeX store)
Crucible is an example of our way of thinking (all content in the eve client.)

Really people are smart enough to take their pick.

Actually I'd already stated that they handled Incarna poorly. Focusing on WiS and the NEX to the detriment of FiS.

So now we're prepared to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I don't like it. Get rid of it. Abolish it. If a single cent of your revenue goes towards anything other than FiS I will be cross...

That makes the alts "the poor kids" and the main "the cool kid".
Problem ?

Who wouldn't want a remap ? Well, let's see... somebody who doesn't USE remaps, for instance ? I know plenty of other people with 3 free remaps.
Sure, I'll still get the 4th free remap (if we get confirmation we can actually get it like that) because the value of anything else being offered is negligible and I can buy any of it from the market quite literally thousands of times over, and the 4th remap (which I won't be using) is the only thing I *CAN'T* just buy.

Also, who else would not get a remap ? A person trying to make ISK out of his holiday gift. Since you can't sell a remap, you won't make ISK from it.
Granted, 70 mil ISK is not such a big deal for somebody who's been around for a year or so, but then again, for quite a lot of people well under that pilot age it's A LOT of ISK.
Ask a newbie whether he wants 50 mil ISK or one extra remap, and there's a good chance he'll probably say he wants the ISK.

GǪexcept that the only thing that needs to be thrown out is the NeX since it serves absolutely no purpose. It is not needed for anything. All it does is remove gameplay content.

You are the one making it extreme here by believing that the NeX cannot be jettisoned without affecting anything else.

[The NEX serves a purpose. It allows me to purchase different clothes for my avatars with plex or isk.

What gameplay content does the NEX remove?

The very content it introduced.

No more extreme than putting words in someones mouth to further your own argument.

I've merely stated that it doesn't have to be removed.

The industry that the creation of the NeX items could generate.

which is not gameplay; it's just stuff without gameplay, and the content itself is completely separate from the NeX. it doesn't need the NeX to exist (but that's hardly surprising GÇö nothing needs the NeX because the NeX doesn't serve any gameplay purpose).

Good thing I'm not doing that then GÇö you are saying that trying to get rid of the NeX is akin to GÇ£throw[ing] the baby out with the bathwaterGÇ¥ after all.

You are the one saying that, if it's not going to the NeX, it's going to FiS. So yes, you are the one who's claiming that the NeX cannot be jettisoned on its own.

It doesn't have to be, no

Which didn't exist prior to the NEX.

But the Nex enabled meGǪ

Sorry for using an expression you don't understand. I meant to say there's no reason to scrap the idea of WiS and NEX

One side there is starting to sound a little extreme.

Glad we've reached an agreement.

Actually I'd already stated that they handled Incarna poorly. Focusing on WiS and the NEX to the detriment of FiS. So now we're prepared to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I don't like it. Get rid of it. Abolish it. If a single cent of your revenue goes towards anything other than FiS I will be cross...

Extremism... I don't like the idea of Dust. I've never owned a console and never will. Probably wouldn't bother with Dust even if they ported it to the PC. I'm not going to start calling for CCP to scrap it. I'm sure there's quite a few people who are interested in Dust. Just as there were a few people interested in WiS and to a lesser extent a cash shop.

the clothes did indeed exist; before the NeX, so did the industry.....It doesn't enable anything.....It has nothing to do with EVE at all

Removing it would have zero effect on the game.

you are the one who's claiming that the NeX cannot be jettisoned on its own.

Yes: you. Because you are so fixated on thinking that two completely separate things are one and the same.

It is inherently a game-destroying thing. The NeX doesn't have to be removed in the same sense as CCP doesn't have to keep the servers open.

I wouldn't be able to buy clothes for my alts.

Is there currently another system of seeding clothing? No.

Sorry. I'll make this simple for you. THE NEX STORE CAN BE REMOVED. I just don't want it to be removed. I see no reason why it should be removed.

Yes. NEX is WIS and WIS is NEX. This is what I've been saying all along.

I'm the extreme one?

Which didn't exist prior to the NEX. Can't seem to recall too many threads begging CCP for industry created clothing. I'm sure you'll dig one up though.

But the Nex enabled me to buy these boots and skirt and clothing for every other character which I admire from time to time during breaks from trading and exploring. May not be your definition of gameplay, which seems to be the problem.

Sorry for using an expression you don't understand. I meant to say there's no reason to scrap the idea of WiS and NEX just because the implementation was flawed and the resources they received caused other parts of eve to suffer.

Me : "we could peacefully coexist....The problem is always the extremists. Focusing on WiS to the detriment of FiS.....Actually I'd already stated that they handled Incarna poorly. Focusing on WiS and the NEX to the detriment of FiS.....I've never stated that the Nex cannot be removed."

Sure you would. Without the NeX, the industry and market would provide it instead, as previously conceptualised.

The reason is simple: it is not needed for anything.

GǪand that's obviously wrong since they have nothing to do with each other.

You can scrap NEX tomorrow and simply move the clothing to factional LP stores. This is not a great deal of work. And the immediate payoff is a better intergrated system that will still put clothes on the market for you to buy - if you want to buy these things in cash you can convert plex and do it. But the point is they will come from player activity in gameplay and eve as a whole will be the richer for it.

The problem with your "peaceful coexistence" argument is that many see NeX as a thief stealing our subs money and charging us for the content we should have had in the first place.

Great. So do it. I might suggest an overhaul of the LP store interface while they're at it. Then once that exists the nex will serve no purpose and can fall by the wayside, or maybe CCP will use it to sell extraneous things like character re-customization, alliance logo redesigns, whatever.


I see the NEX as a means to an end. I wish to purchase clothing for my alts, the nex provides that service.

Just to clarify. I have no problem with the NEX in its current implementation. Obviously some do. They call for its removal because its an evil game destroying entity out to devour the old and weak. I like to purchase clothes and monocles either through the nex or market. If the Nex is removed the prices of these items will skyrocket. Once there is an industry in place to provide the same services as the Nex then it is redundant and then it can be removed. Until then I do not wish to see it removed. So instead of trying to convince me of how evil the Nex is, why don't you start convincing CCP to develop an alternate means of delivering these services.

You'll find it a lot easier to get someone to ditch a service if there is someone else able to supply that service.

Please direct me to the player made clothing in the market. I can't seem to find any.

Once this industry exists THEN there is no need for the NEX. Once there is an alternate method of seeding the clothing THEN the NEX can be removed.

And again, please point out the existing industry that can produce nex clothing.

Then once that exists the nex will serve no purpose and can fall by the wayside, or maybe CCP will use it to sell extraneous things like character re-customization, alliance logo redesigns, whatever.

I see the NEX as a means to an end. I wish to purchase clothing for my alts, the nex provides that service.

You've spent the majority of this conversation being intentionally obtuse. Your argument is weak and your opinions are unfounded. And you know it. Stop embarrassing yourself.

NeX is entirely superfluous and overly circuitous since it could be done far better (and far more interestingly) through other means. Again: there already is something else to supply the exact same service as the NeX GÇö the market. Providing what you want can be done at the flip of a switch.

Disdaine is either trolling or just very ********.

By his brain dead logic, why be able to manufacture ammunition, crystals, drones, missiles, scripts, or anything else that is worth less than 1.3 bil isk (the monocle), when it could be instead bought from NEX with real $$$?

If he wants CCP to do that so bad, maybe this game needs to be F2P, I would be able to accept everything costing real money, then.

I thought that Eve players are intelligent, but they seem to be getting more ******** each year.

You weren't breastfed were you? Housebrand formula if you ask me.

Also, I have no parents, **** you.

Great. So do it. I might suggest an overhaul of the LP store interface while they're at it. Then once that exists the nex will serve no purpose and can fall by the wayside, or maybe CCP will use it to sell extraneous things like character re-customization, alliance logo redesigns, whatever.

Just to clarify. I have no problem with the NEX in its current implementation. Obviously some do. They call for its removal because its an evil game destroying entity out to devour the old and weak.

I like to purchase clothes and monocles either through the nex or market. If the Nex is removed the prices of these items will skyrocket. Once there is an industry in place to provide the same services as the Nex then it is redundant and then it can be removed.

Until then I do not wish to see it removed. So instead of trying to convince me of how evil the Nex is, why don't you start convincing CCP to develop an alternate means of delivering these services. You'll find it a lot easier to get someone to ditch a service if there is someone else able to supply that service.

So join me in asking CCP to replace the NeX store as a priority - with all existing and unpublished content going into the faction loyalty point stores. Problem solved.

No problem with replacing the NEX , only with removing it. +1

Oh hai thar Testie.

Yes, I concede to the "not being able to manufacture clothing is destroying eve" duos flawless arguments.

I can preface my posts with an ASCII ***** if that would make you more comfortable with my alliance tag.

But the fact that you've resorted to personal attacks is a clear indication that you're not here to represent any particular perspective. You're just looking to get a rise from people.

As trolling goes, this is pretty mundane. Aspire to greater things.