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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 03:36:00 -
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Just an opinion, and I don't see a point in making ZXIC a private battleground for SoD and ISS, only thing that'd accomplish is ISS keeping the outpost. 
Do you have a point btw ? Or just trolling ?
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hungdra
International Red Cross
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Posted - 2007.01.10 03:36:00 -
[62]
IAC excuse generator lvl 5
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.10 03:38:00 -
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Not trolling at all .... but after hundereds of posts by the SOD we finally have a chance to see them in action without the bloboffski ..... but again it seems like they need backup.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 03:38:00 -
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ISS alt troll post generator lvl 8
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.10 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 10/01/2007 03:36:05
Not in the ISS .... but if the challange is to much for you and the SOD ... its nice to know you still need a gentle hand and some burpin.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 03:41:00 -
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It's a stupid challenge.
SoD kill ships, not POSes, taking over an outpost system with 30 moons requires a capital ship force and a lot of boring work.
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Reborn Dragon
Gallente
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Reborn Dragon on 10/01/2007 04:37:45
Edited by: Reborn Dragon on 10/01/2007 04:37:31
 Originally by: Goodtime Girl
Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 10/01/2007 03:36:05
Not in the ISS .... but if the challange is to much for you and the SOD ... its nice to know you still need a gentle hand and some burpin.
Well you have been so it's pretty easy to see you have nothing but a biased opinion by trying to provoke actions that are utterly stupid.
My guess; You're a very, very bitter person.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: hungdra
IAC excuse generator lvl 5
I'm sorry, but i thought you wanted standings with IAC. Needless to say you will be shot on sight from now on. Have a nice day Mr. Alt. 
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Murukan
Minmatar
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.10 05:48:00 -
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umm goodtime girl we have fought ISS many a time and have thumped them many a time. Only time ISS has ever shown any advantage over us is when they are camping 5 in a station with 40 and carrier support. So no we have already proven many many times over that we can thump iss, so you're little ploy to try and buy them some time in zxic won't work. And tbh we could careless what some random iss fanboy thinks of us.
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Admentus Cor'vion
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.10 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Belid Hagen
An investment is....well... an investment
if what you invest in ceases to excist - the investment is lost.
But the war is far from over, ISS are regrouping
Your fight is over. Your leaders are trying to bring BoB in by whining to the public how BoB are the investors in EC- and as for the south... LV is currently tied up with TCF and so are MC.
Unless you pay off some imaginary force to come to your aid or BoB directly siege KDF and the other IAC outposts then your last laugh will be silent.
ISS couldn't fight the war alone and you regrouping alone is like shooting fish in a barrel. When LV ask what is to happen with the ISS catch outposts you better answer them AND FAST. Last time I checked they are your best hope for 0.0 survival and private outpost contracts are one of your best services you offer.
No our fight aint over its time for round 3 ding ding let the game begin.
Lilan I admire your enthusiasm but let me make it clear. ISSN cannot win this war. Your entire charter must change to win this war. Getting LV and BoB to win this war means that ISS win NEVER be able to be believed about apolitical stance again. Simply put, you will owe them everything and they to you nothing.
BoB is an empire builder. They feel they don't need the help of anyone to accomplish their goals and they could very well be right. Why they would help you and then allow you to remain apolitical and rent free would be at their whim and not shed good light on the current ISS Charter. LV don't like us and they are your business partner in Tenerifis. LV could just as easily NAP RA ( anything is possible in the south ) as it could BoB if the tides of change in immensea came to an agreement.
So to put it into perspective, a third charter needs to be drafted and voted on by shareholders to continue this war. Part 3 is absurd and only spends more isk of your coffers and will get close to your shareholders isk if you think you 'have us right where you want us.' If you are talking about a continued -10 standing without POS war you need to be clear to the public, aka your shareholders, about what you really mean. It could be counted like a previous brief comment you personally made by implying ISS would be taking our three outposts. You see where that got you?
Not to be rude here, but lets not mince words.
You would have lost your outposts had you not made a deal with the devil.
Eventually that will come full circle, regardless what happens to your immediate enemies.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Crozon
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
So to put it into perspective, a third charter needs to be drafted and voted on by shareholders to continue this war.
Why do people keep thinking that ISS shareholders have a vote? They don't. As I understand it, ISS have only ever had non-voting shares. The recent charter revision was done by ISS management and could be done again to adapt to the new situation.
Except that the current charter holds pretty firm. We designed it (before the IAC war) based primarilly on IAC's feedback of our past problems so that they would not occur again or we could act quickly in their resolution. IAC knows that and we had hoped that showing we were committed to peace and co-operation would help make up for bad decisions in the past. Count even apologised personally for some past issues and called them bad decisions on his part. The new charter is/was as accomodating as is feasible to alliances such as IAC while at peace.
Every major negative incident between IAC and ISS would have been avoided in the future by the current draft of the charter, although it hasn't been thoroughly tested because rather than give it a chance, IAC declared war using the very things we had countered with the new charter as their reasons. Another charter revision would not prevent this kind of war declaration unless we somehow managed to get a lot of major alliances to sign a single pact of some kind. While that is an option worth exploring, it is NOT an option in the current political climate. And while we would welcome discussion with IAC about further revisions of the charter that they feel are neccecary, we will not do so at gunpoint. If IAC wants to help us revise the charter again, they will have to declare a peace and somehow convince that blob of allies to do the same.
This war cannot destroy ISS, it cannot even majorly harm ISS's business plans. All it can do is harm member corporations and cause Management to come up with new implementations of the current business plans and as has been seen from this thread, it will also cause shareholders to worry about the state of their investment.
There are people who believe their investment is a writeoff, others are firesaling their shares. To those people I say have some patience, there is a shareholder meeting coming up and I will do my best to push that along internally so we can announce a time and date.
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Sun Ra
Godspeed You Black Emperor
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Posted - 2007.01.10 09:56:00 -
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Dont ISS live int he back pocket of lv?? their c3 station is under control by lv is it not?
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
Dont ISS live int he back pocket of lv?? their c3 station is under control by lv is it not?
That's not an ISS station. It's an LV outpost which we helped build and are renting, LV own it completely. Only certain ISS corps are allowed down there and the details of the deal are not a matter of public record. This is what is called a private outpost deal (which there were questions raised on a few months back) and most people know how this works by now.
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patteSatan
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.10 11:19:00 -
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Let's get something straight here....
IAC didnt wardecc ISS, right?
IAC put ISS to -10, as you do with corps that behave badly under a long period, thats not wardeccing in my book?
Every ISS fanboy/ISS player is pointing out:"IAC wardecced ISS"
I never saw that it was a war between them, and I DID look for that in-game, under the alliance thingie, so, who's tinfoilhats have you been smoking?
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patteSatan
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.10 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Belid Hagen
An investment is....well... an investment
if what you invest in ceases to excist - the investment is lost.
But the war is far from over, ISS are regrouping
Your fight is over. Your leaders are trying to bring BoB in by whining to the public how BoB are the investors in EC- and as for the south... LV is currently tied up with TCF and so are MC.
Unless you pay off some imaginary force to come to your aid or BoB directly siege KDF and the other IAC outposts then your last laugh will be silent.
ISS couldn't fight the war alone and you regrouping alone is like shooting fish in a barrel. When LV ask what is to happen with the ISS catch outposts you better answer them AND FAST. Last time I checked they are your best hope for 0.0 survival and private outpost contracts are one of your best services you offer.
No our fight aint over its time for round 3 ding ding let the game begin.
Lilan I admire your enthusiasm but let me make it clear. ISSN cannot win this war. Your entire charter must change to win this war. Getting LV and BoB to win this war means that ISS win NEVER be able to be believed about apolitical stance again. Simply put, you will owe them everything and they to you nothing.
BoB is an empire builder. They feel they don't need the help of anyone to accomplish their goals and they could very well be right. Why they would help you and then allow you to remain apolitical and rent free would be at their whim and not shed good light on the current ISS Charter. LV don't like us and they are your business partner in Tenerifis. LV could just as easily NAP RA ( anything is possible in the south ) as it could BoB if the tides of change in immensea came to an agreement.
So to put it into perspective, a third charter needs to be drafted and voted on by shareholders to continue this war. Part 3 is absurd and only spends more isk of your coffers and will get close to your shareholders isk if you think you 'have us right where you want us.' If you are talking about a continued -10 standing without POS war you need to be clear to the public, aka your shareholders, about what you really mean. It could be counted like a previous brief comment you personally made by implying ISS would be taking our three outposts. You see where that got you?
Not to be rude here, but lets not mince words.
You would have lost your outposts had you not made a deal with the devil.
Eventually that will come full circle, regardless what happens to your immediate enemies.
So you're the right man to say to another that they made a deal with the devil?
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.10 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Sun Ra
Dont ISS live int he back pocket of lv?? their c3 station is under control by lv is it not?
That's not an ISS station. It's an LV outpost which we helped build and are renting, LV own it completely. Only certain ISS corps are allowed down there and the details of the deal are not a matter of public record. This is what is called a private outpost deal (which there were questions raised on a few months back) and most people know how this works by now.
Didn't know the calico deals where only for ISS members. I actually thought the deals where done publically and corp wise based on member counts.
Oh well but if its so secret that even you don't want it public i wont start posting what i know about the LV Calico rent deals.
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Infinite Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.10 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: DekiriDidn't know the calico deals where only for ISS members. I actually thought the deals where done publically and corp wise based on member counts.
Oh well but if its so secret that even you don't want it public i wont start posting what i know about the LV Calico rent deals.[/quote
That's not really an accomplishment as someone posted the full contract details on the forums a while ago.
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Communist Vikings
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.01.10 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: patteSatan
Let's get something straight here....
IAC didnt wardecc ISS, right?
IAC put ISS to -10, as you do with corps that behave badly under a long period, thats not wardeccing in my book?
Every ISS fanboy/ISS player is pointing out:"IAC wardecced ISS"
I never saw that it was a war between them, and I DID look for that in-game, under the alliance thingie, so, who's tinfoilhats have you been smoking?
So -10, camping their stations and hinting at capturing them is what, a ******* offer of a bakeoff and some tea and cookies afterwards? Why waste wardec cash in 0.0? Read before posting.
For Butter Dog: Whether your intention or not, you really did screw with ISS'es rep. The on again off again omgz i can say what I like with a different ticker BS really didn't impress anyone. From what i've seen, most people are incredulous SS and Count gave you this much rope, so often. Tbh originally your posts garnered agreement, but theres a point you have to stop? You've said you aren't the official voice of ISS, and its true. But if you yourself cant see that your heavy involvement with ISS and constant stream of opinions on Eve-O would have a marked effect you were kidding yourself.
I like the idea of ISS. Im mildly confused about the crud about certain stations being security risks. Hang on... -V- was close to curse and GWL, theres npc stations there!!! omg people can stage close to us!!11 If only those dirty thukkers had been crushed we'd be saved  For pirates in 0.0, ISS stations offered you delivered to your door loot (a good thing?).
People foaming at the mouth that ISS have to die, well, meh. Another symptom of a general populace that can't stand to see anything they couldn't themselves achieve coming to fruition. ISS was an adaptive/ever changing entity (hopefully still is). Its a damn shame that everyone seems to be playing with their egos doing the driving at this point. To me ISS could provided a solid, stable entity in 0.0 when most alliances generally don't achieve it. If you don't continually gang bang their haulers, you've a place you know has a good market to refit, regardless if the current political/alliance situation. At least that was their intentions. The idea of ISS wasnt to be combative (apart from general policing to induce carebears into their space?), but to coexist.
well, that's my rambling incoherent 2c anyway 
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maGz
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.10 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: maGz on 10/01/2007 12:44:22
Originally by: Goodtime Girl
Not trolling at all .... but after hundereds of posts by the SOD we finally have a chance to see them in action without the bloboffski ..... but again it seems like they need backup.
So all previous engagements with ISS vs SOD doesn't matter? I think you need to get your facts straight - we've killed ISS a bunch of times and will probably be able to do so for the rest of our EVE-life. However we are not a conquering alliance. We have no interests in capital blobs, we have no interests in spending hours, shooting POS.
Again this strange behaviour comes to life, where people seem to think the only way that you're part of the cool crew, is to hold stations and have the will to spend hours with capital blobs. Please go away alt and maybe learn a thing or two about pvp et al.
EDIT: Oh and that's a straight NO on the challenge-thing.
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