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Tabatha Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:13:00 - [1] Prime Orbital Systems would like to confirm that our stations fell into BoB hands last weekend, marking the end of POS sovereignty in the region of Esoteria. The outpost ôOberon Primeö was the second ever built in the game and the first built by a single corporation, was home to Prime Orbital for more than a year. We fought BoB since day one of this war and have been fighting even after their victory was more than certain. We have stood with our friends in this dire situation and tried to help where we could in operations coordinated with ASCN leadership (as long as it existed). It is no surprise our small alliance has lost its space to BoB, there was no chance at all of us surviving a full assault, we never had any delusions in that aspect. This does not mark the end of Prime Orbital Systems, it is just a transformation of our way of working and the scope of our operations. Our physical assets other than stations are safe and our financial situation allows us to see the future with optimism. We have greatly enjoyed our stay in Esoteria and will enjoy what we do next. As a small entity that controlled 5 stations we had to walk a very fine line between protecting our assets and not making too many enemies at same time. That is no longer necessary and is a positive side effect of this situation that we welcome with open arms. Given some misrepresentations in another thread we would like to state that we have not accepted any offers from BoB, nor from MWA, concerning either joining BoBÆs vassal programme or simply extracting assets from our former stations. Currently, we are in the process of re-organisation, during which our pilots will be conducting live fire exercises. In doing so, in addition to standard NBSI rules of combat, our pilots are operating on instructions that ANY pilot who docks at a station whose docking rights are controlled, directly or indirectly, by BoB will be a legitimate target when they undock. Some of you will see more of us soonÖ
Golden Helmet Caldari Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Golden Helmet on 09/01/2007 19:12:42 First! Good luck to POS, you guys were down in that corner of space for a long time
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:15:00 - [3] You had a good run, I'm sure you will be on the map again. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:19:00 - [4] Good luck, you guys seem to have thought till the end, unlike some individuals/corporations/alliances that have previously thought BoB cough cough.
MattSB Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:22:00 - [5] Edited by: MattSB on 09/01/2007 19:18:56 GL to my old alliance mates I wish you good look in whatever you do next and that the targets are plenty and the lag is minimal EDIT - Btw SE10 is a noob who mines veld in 0.0 in his crow
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:24:00 - [6] LOL. Live fire excercises.... Would have been nice if you informed your former Allies in ASCN that it was taking place. You know those pesky blue fire incidents cause such bad press, especially since I believe they were fired upon while undocking from an, as yet, ASCN controlled station. ;)
rik jonno Minmatar ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:26:00 - [7] Looking forward to what the future is going to bring.
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:27:00 - [8] Well Good luck in your endeavors. Have fun! Yarr and all that. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Slowboat LOL. Live fire excercises.... Would have been nice if you informed your former Allies in ASCN that it was taking place. You know those pesky blue fire incidents cause such bad press, especially since I believe they were fired upon while undocking from an, as yet, ASCN controlled station. ;) Nah its Ok, letting bygones be bygones and all that.I refuse to be bitter if it makes POS happy then let them be. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Grimpak Gallente Twisted Attitude Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:31:00 - [10] Originally by: MattSB EDIT - Btw SE10 is a noob who mines veld in 0.0 in his crow I digress on that. He is still an alt, after all these years. btw hi SE10 \o =D ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
MattSB Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:34:00 - [11] ?me wonders if there is anywhere in eve that someone hasn't heard of the SE10 Think he must be the eve version of the villag bike if u know what i mean Already know he's gonna pod me next time i see him now
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:37:00 - [12] I Always ask to myself what happen to the POs alliance during the ASCN war and if they finally Nap BoB or not....now i know GL in the futur ! LDLQ, the Quebec touch in TCF till 2006
Angeles Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:49:00 - [13] To everyone wishing us luck for the future i say thanks, it is much more fun when the shoe is on the other foot that i can assure you YARRRR
niko86 Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:51:00 - [14] New scenery is always nice Although I do enjoy trips to our old haunts I'll especially miss some of the enemies who used to visit us though, RicardaM was always good fun from D2. - Transire suum pectus mundoque potiri
BOBHOPE Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:52:00 - [15] /me salutes friends and enemies alike.... may the fun times begin
Manus Ghostface Caldari Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:57:00 - [16] Originally by: niko86 New scenery is always nice Although I do enjoy trips to our old haunts I'll especially miss some of the enemies who used to visit us though, RicardaM was always good fun from D2. RicardaM, Liquidism, Creamster and the XB bunch. Notes on how to be a hellraiser were taken for sure. That city is well fortified which has a wall of men instead of brick. - Lycurgus
rik jonno Minmatar ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:02:00 - [17] /me waves at RicardaM lots of note's where taken yarrr
tORNFISH Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:04:00 - [18] Thanks to all those who have been supporting us,Im looking foward to what lies ahead. pos work 24/7 to pull through thick and thin.....muhahaha
Plymer Ization Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:04:00 - [19] Good luck POS
DinoC ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:57:00 - [20] Thanks for all the wish of Good Luck. Indeed POS walks out of this holding its head high. We didnt get into any dodgy deals, we didnt backstab anyone even when we seen that our time was coming and that BoB would take us out. We had lots of fun in Delve in this war and I for one im looking forward to be the agressor rather than the defender. EvE is meant to be fun and when you attached to a bit of space and stations and POSes to feed blah blah blah, it kinda takes the fun out of the game. In more than one occasion I thought of cancelling my subscriptions to EvE. Thanks for bringing the fun back to the game for me. Remember, its only a game... GL MWA
DinoC ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:57:00 - [21] Thanks for all the wish of Good Luck. Indeed POS walks out of this holding its head high. We didnt get into any dodgy deals, we didnt backstab anyone even when we seen that our time was coming and that BoB would take us out. We had lots of fun in Delve in this war and I for one im looking forward to be the agressor rather than the defender. EvE is meant to be fun and when you attached to a bit of space and stations and POSes to feed blah blah blah, it kinda takes the fun out of the game. In more than one occasion I thought of cancelling my subscriptions to EvE. Thanks for bringing the fun back to the game for me. Remember, its only a game... GL MWA
Dendron Oberon Incorporated	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:08:00 - [22] I do not know of any alliance so true to its believes as POS. We keep our backs straight and therefore I am proud to be a POS member. We are the true band of brothers and sisters.
Dendron Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:08:00 - [23] I do not know of any alliance so true to its believes as POS. We keep our backs straight and therefore I am proud to be a POS member. We are the true band of brothers and sisters.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:14:00 - [24] /me fixes his helmet. Go POS! --
Devoras2 Amarr Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:17:00 - [25] Good luck POS in your future endevaours. It was a pleasure working with you in the manner we did. Fly safe! Dev It's great being Amarr, aint it?
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:28:00 - [26] Good luck POS
Apollyon X FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:50:00 - [27] It's better to die on your feet then live a lifetime on your knees. -Emiliano Zapata This quote suits you guys well Good luck POS.
DinoC ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Apollyon X It's better to die on your feet then live a lifetime on your knees. -Emiliano Zapata This quote suits you guys well Good luck POS. Spot On mate. Nice sentence.
Ione Hunt Gekidoku	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:33:00 - [29] GL POS, may the mighty PEWPEW be with you Always enjoyed flying with you! _______________
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:39:00 - [30] GL POS! You have been a great neighbor and ally.
Halseth Durn Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Slowboat LOL. Live fire excercises.... Would have been nice if you informed your former Allies in ASCN that it was taking place. You know those pesky blue fire incidents cause such bad press, especially since I believe they were fired upon while undocking from an, as yet, ASCN controlled station. ;) Actually, It would have been NICER if our former allies (ASCN) had informed their closest ally (POS) that they had surrendered and had made an arrangement with our common foe for 2 weeks of docking rights. Also, it was an MWA controlled station, NOT an ASCN one. Any blue on blue fire incidents were completely the fault of ASCN for not informing us of their surrender. Thank you, have a nice day.
ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:51:00 - [32] Gl with the future POS was fun fighting alongside you on the odd occasion when I was still in ASCN you always brought it to fight and am sure that whatever you do in the future you will do well... Fly safe and have fun.
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:57:00 - [33] Have fun guys! /me waves to all the old skool Oberon
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Tabatha The outpost ôOberon Primeö was the second ever built in the game and the first built by a single corporation, was home to Prime Orbital for more than a year. And it was the first to ever change ownership by force. Forgotten history ________ been there, done that, got the t-shirt
BOBHOPE Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:09:00 - [35] Edited by: BOBHOPE on 09/01/2007 23:07:33
heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Devoras2 Good luck POS in your future endevaours. It was a pleasure working with you in the manner we did. Fly safe! Dev HUSH!!!! you guys are not worthy to speak in a POS thread after you jumped over from ascn to red moon thingy and signed up to be BOB pets!!
Kronarty Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Turkantho Originally by: Tabatha The outpost ôOberon Primeö was the second ever built in the game and the first built by a single corporation, was home to Prime Orbital for more than a year. And it was the first to ever change ownership by force. Forgotten history Damn right you are Turkantho. G&IRON rolling into 16P-PX with huge numbers and great organization was an impressive show of force. Really scary efficiency. Something makes me think you guys haven't lost your edge :) /me waves
Cpt Pugwash Charlies Angels	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:14:00 - [38] Done nothing but shoot POS in the past because 1 They were Allied with Bob back then 2 They were a nice distraction on the way to shooting Tribal Souls. Nothing personal were good fights and always friendly. GL POS Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:26:00 - [39] kudos POS, respect for your decision and for keeping the fight. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Halseth Durn Actually, It would have been NICER if our former allies (ASCN) had informed their closest ally (POS) that they had surrendered and had made an arrangement with our common foe for 2 weeks of docking rights. Also, it was an MWA controlled station, NOT an ASCN one. Any blue on blue fire incidents were completely the fault of ASCN for not informing us of their surrender. Thank you, have a nice day. Bitter? I didn't blame you on the contrary POS came into CLS' Thread to gloat over the killings. Which by the way make little to no difference in the grand scheme of things. ASCN's Fault, cool thats how you feel, its good to let go of your emotions every now and then. Like I said before have fun doing the Yarr! thing. You know you really don't have to reply to every random alt that post opposition to you right? --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Bannion Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.10 00:06:00 - [41] Good luck POS, go get some payback !! Quote: Kinsy - "BoB change positions more often than Rocco Sifredi."
Halseth Durn Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 00:13:00 - [42] Originally by: MuthaTrucka Originally by: Halseth Durn Actually, It would have been NICER if our former allies (ASCN) had informed their closest ally (POS) that they had surrendered and had made an arrangement with our common foe for 2 weeks of docking rights. Also, it was an MWA controlled station, NOT an ASCN one. Any blue on blue fire incidents were completely the fault of ASCN for not informing us of their surrender. Thank you, have a nice day. Bitter? I didn't blame you on the contrary POS came into CLS' Thread to gloat over the killings. Which by the way make little to no difference in the grand scheme of things. ASCN's Fault, cool thats how you feel, its good to let go of your emotions every now and then. Like I said before have fun doing the Yarr! thing. You know you really don't have to reply to every random alt that post opposition to you right? I simply corrected someone who was obviously mistaken over the details of an incident that you and I have already settled. Believe me, If I am bitter or gloating over something, you will know. Big thanks to all the old timers (and new) giving us the "GL"! Much respect.
Ashamar Caldari Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 00:42:00 - [43] Thanks everyone for your supporting comments. This should be fun. GL MWA
noobtamer	Posted - 2007.01.10 02:36:00 - [44] One of the best announcement style posts I've seen. Much respect to you and GOOD LUCK!
Dilsnik Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.10 04:31:00 - [45] good luck to Halseth Durn and POS, it was a pleasure flying with you.
Asylum Seaker Minmatar RONA Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.10 05:08:00 - [46] Have fun. Good to see loseing the stations hasn't damaged your enthusiasm too much. Originally by: Apollyon X It's better to die on your feet then live a lifetime on your knees. -Emiliano Zapata This quote is actually from JosT Martf, a cuban revolutionary, just letting you know. Memento Mori.
LTD THOR Sensus Numinis Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 06:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Asylum Seaker Have fun. Good to see loseing the stations hasn't damaged your enthusiasm too much. Originally by: Apollyon X It's better to die on your feet then live a lifetime on your knees. -Emiliano Zapata This quote is actually from JosT Martf, a cuban revolutionary, just letting you know. ZOMG wrong Asylum! sry, you dont win teh price. My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
Sanctus Maleficus Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 06:22:00 - [48] After the events of the last few weeks, I can easily say that I've never been more proud to be a part of this alliance.
Great Guardian Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.10 06:39:00 - [49] Edited by: Great Guardian on 10/01/2007 06:35:12 Much respect for POS. That is the SPIRIT! /cheers GG " I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 06:53:00 - [50] Respect to you guys for standing up in the face of defeat, instead of running away, selling out, or playing the blame game. Where are you off to now?
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2007.01.10 08:19:00 - [51] I see POS in Stain! zomfg we are all fracking d00med! (POS = POS Operation in Stain) /me wears a tinfoil hat. ------------------------------
Taerlon Caddarn Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 08:25:00 - [52] Where are we off to now... to find targets ! I think some already know who are in our crosshairs and are having fun trying to dodge out of the way. Great post Tabs. I know this has been a little bit of a backslapping fest by some POS on our own alliance and I think the one thing that this does show is the unity we now have after experiencing such adversity in the face of unrealistic odds stacked against us. Well done to (you / us) all and lets keep this focus, commitment and teamwork with us as we move forward with our new goals. I would also like to thank some great pilots who we have flown with and fought alongside over the last year and hope that you all 'fly safe' and find the direction that you are looking for from Eve. We have learnt a lot from our old 'friends', Xenobytes (whom I have nothing but respect for and salute for the many encounters we have had. I would mention the pilots but there is not enough room in this post. ). D2D, I salute you especially the gentleman who is RicardaM, yes a pirate and a ganker he may be, but he turns this task that many would scorn into an art form and he does it whilst maintaining honour and respect for the pilots he faces. As to the future, we are facing an enemy, one would say a common enemy to many. I always remember the saying 'my enemies enemy is my friend'. I honestly believe now, that we have that enemy of our enemy and if we can put aside our own squabbles and differences (at least until after we have faced this joint enemy ) then we can maybe do something towards rescuing Eve from turning into a dour representation of life, where we all work and pay our taxes to the people in charge and live by the rules governed by the few over the many. Our targets are known and open in this thread, I hope that some reading this will pick up from this and see what our intentions are and either join in or allow us to proceed without hinderance unless of course they are the puppets with whom we have the problem. We are a relatively small alliance but with other like minded Alliances both large and small embarking on similar goals we may have a chance to defeat the tyrant who would want to rule eve. Our diplomat is Kronarty. He is available and willing I am sure to enter into discussion where this would allow us to pursue our goals without hinderance but also to establish who the like minded Allainces are. We now move away from our POS's but we will always be POS. I will see you in space. /me salutes
Obijameskenobi Caldari Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.01.10 08:32:00 - [53] I would like to say GL to POS. By the way you guys are handling yourselves, I seriously doubt you have or will ask to join the BoB vassal programme. Good fights so far, no smack (that I have seen anyway). Look forward to the fights in the future. Obi
Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:46:00 - [54] GL to POS wanna point out some great fights we had in UHKL over duration of war. Special hi to Stormbringer. To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
Rodge Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:58:00 - [55] GL to POS in the future. I must admit, you were quite effective pests around Delve for quite a while there! Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: MattSB EDIT - Btw SE10 is a noob who mines veld in 0.0 in his crow I digress on that. He is still an alt, after all these years. I feel I must come clean and tell the truth. SE10 was the BOB sponsored alt-spy in POS! /emote hides from Alty-Boy's rage..... Sig inappropriate-not eve related -Abdalion [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:58:00 - [56] My sincerest condolences go out to POS. I have always had a soft spot in my heart for that alliance for a variety of reasons not least because I have known and liked Oberon Incorporated (and particularly Halseth) from my very first days as a pod pilot in and around Amarr. I have the utmost respect for their abilities and am sure they will rise from the ashes of this defeat strengthened and reinvigorated. Best of luck in your future endeavours (as long as it doesn't involve shooting at the CVA ) Amarr Victor ------------------------------ AMARR VICTOR
TrippyX Caldari The Syndicate Inc	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:14:00 - [57] GL to POS, and thanks for letting us mine plagioglace in 16P- couple months ago.. we were in dire need of mex.. something Feythabolis is GREATLY missing.
Zubenelgenubi Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:21:00 - [58] SE10 didn't tell me he was a celeb Dark Horse that he is >.> Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
ZelRox Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:29:00 - [59] Originally by: DinoC Originally by: Apollyon X It's better to die on your feet then live a lifetime on your knees. -Emiliano Zapata This quote suits you guys well Good luck POS. Spot On mate. Nice sentence. I told you i would have your corpse that day :D ---------------------- BiH 4tw
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:42:00 - [60] Originally by: DinoC We didnt get into any dodgy deals, we didnt backstab anyone even when we seen that our time was coming and that BoB would take us out. That earns my respect even more than the fact that you kept on fighting. BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
Zuki Ed Gallente Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Zubenelgenubi SE10 didn't tell me he was a celeb Dark Horse that he is >.> He didn't tell me either but it makes a lot of things clearer now . thnx for all the good lucks everybody, good luck to you too. Go POS I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!! Max sig image file size is 24,000 bytes. --Jorauk
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:08:00 - [62] Good luck guys, have fun!
Banlish Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:35:00 - [63] From everything I've read and the way the map worked out I have to say great work POS. I've always looked at POS space on the political map as sort of a cornerstone. The rest of the map has changed so many times it isn't funny since the middle of 05 but one thing I loved to see was the Prime Orbital Systems territory in the bright yellow in the south. Alot of people have alot of respect for what you guys have done, how you built your corps, alliance and territory and most importantly how you conducted yourselves during this war. I can remember reading the first ASCN post about how ASCN, AXE and POS were marching into delve and it surprised me. I honestly didn't know at the time that POS was going going to get involved in the war, I thought (mistakenly) that POS and BoB had a relationship much like BoB and ISS have worked together in the past. For a while I thought POS was just a tight group of corps in a small, yet well developed constellation(s?) in Estoria that built all manner of ships and things for the community. I still don't know where that idea came from, but then again I was very new. I have to give special attention to one thing tho, not ONCE did I read of a POS member smack talking on the forums. ASCN and BoB got into it very heavily, which both sides will probably agree now that it's over, but I didn't see dozens of POS members come out in droves to throw mud at their allies nor that their foes. I have to salute you all for that, it's a very hard thing to do when you know what could happen to your space. I'm sorry your space is gone, and I really do hope we see you guys on the map again. You've been one of my favorite alliances since I joined EVE and I hope that after all you've been through you appear on the map again with the hallmark outpost building coming back into play. Well fought, and well conducted. Salutes -Banlish ----------- FLA diplomat
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:49:00 - [64] i know some of you guys and those i know are nice ppl. it was fun with you and looks like it will be fun in the future again. Respect to POS for keeping their straight lines in politics and risking everything they had, lose everything they had n 0.0 and stil keeping their politics. -SIG- Personally i do not flame at anybody --- BUT --- If you flame at me, do not expect that i will not return it in the same way....
MrRx7 Amarr Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 12:20:00 - [65] Edited by: MrRx7 on 10/01/2007 12:18:25 The war was great fun, Ever single little engagment and battle was fun. Kicked out of our home or not, we're here to stay, MWA good luck to you and see you in WX tomorrow. Edit: Yeah we've know SE10 was a spy, we keep him locked in the basement for that reason
Asylum Seaker Minmatar RONA Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.10 12:45:00 - [66] Originally by: LTD THOR Originally by: Asylum Seaker Have fun. Good to see loseing the stations hasn't damaged your enthusiasm too much. Originally by: Apollyon X It's better to die on your feet then live a lifetime on your knees. -Emiliano Zapata This quote is actually from JosT Martf, a cuban revolutionary, just letting you know. ZOMG wrong Asylum! sry, you dont win teh price. I'm not wrong, damnit. Unfortunatley the only source I can find to back me up is wikipedia, deeply sorry no insult intended http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Zapata Down the bottom in the quotes section "The quote Es mejor morir a pie que vivir arrodillado (Translation: It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.),while popularly attributed to Zapata, is actually from Cuban revolutionary JosT Martf. Zapatistas did use this slogan, but it did not originate with Zapata." Memento Mori.
Hysenthlay Minmatar The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:41:00 - [67] Edited by: Hysenthlay on 10/01/2007 13:38:08 Originally by: Ashamar Thanks everyone for your supporting comments. This should be fun. GL MWA See ya in space :) ____________________________ Silflay Hraka U Embleer Rah.
hired thug ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:43:00 - [68] Originally by: Apollyon X It's better to die on your feet then live a lifetime on your knees. -Emiliano Zapata Regardless of origin for this text i think it is a damn good text. I thank Asylum Seaker for it. I wouldn't be supriced if that line will follow POS for some time.
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:28:00 - [69] Sucks POS got dragged into this really Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:34:00 - [70] Just a question. Was POS involved in the ASCN vs BOB conflict ? Or you kept a neutrality policy during the campaign ? Thank you
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:42:00 - [71] Originally by: DeadDuck Just a question. Was POS involved in the ASCN vs BOB conflict ? Or you kept a neutrality policy during the campaign ? Thank you If sitting in delve cloaked in some never used system and doing fck all for 2 months, then finally benny hill invasion with towers that they could not fuel counts as active participation, then they were involved. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Kronarty Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:42:00 - [72] Originally by: DeadDuck Just a question. Was POS involved in the ASCN vs BOB conflict ? Or you kept a neutrality policy during the campaign ? From Tabatha's first message in this thread: "[...]We fought BoB since day one of this war[...]" I think that counts as a non-neutrality policy
hired thug ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:43:00 - [73] Originally by: DeadDuck Just a question. Was POS involved in the ASCN vs BOB conflict ? Or you kept a neutrality policy during the campaign ? Thank you I think this from Tabs original post will give you the answer Originally by: Tabatha We fought BoB since day one of this war and have been fighting even after their victory was more than certain. We have stood with our friends in this dire situation and tried to help where we could in operations coordinated with ASCN leadership (as long as it existed).
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:43:00 - [74] Originally by: DeadDuck Just a question. Was POS involved in the ASCN vs BOB conflict ? Or you kept a neutrality policy during the campaign ? Thank you ASCN HC considered POS's fleet gathering abilities substandard (oh how ironic that turned out to be), and thus 'requested' POS early on in the whole thing to contribute to the war effort by sitting in UHKL system in delve for weeks on end. That is, unless I'm mistaken and POS came up with that idea themselves. Then there was a small attempt at pos-spamming in nol-m9 I believe, supposedly to be backed up by a large ascn fleet amnouvre in order to draw our forces into esoteria so we wouldn't be able to react in time. So all in all POS was fairly active in the war, and most definately threw their lot in with ASCN from the get go. Not really surprising seeing the past. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Kitia STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:13:00 - [75] I wish Good luck in the future to all POS members , it was a honor to fly along side you in the conflict. You have my respect for standing up for freedom rather than putting the chains of slavery upon yourself. Look me up in game o/
Jake Noble Amarr OLE Mining Corp	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:25:00 - [76] Good luck to POS Quote: Kicked out of our home or not, we're here to stay, MWA good luck to you and see you in WX tomorrow. Never seen you in WX lol, only your friends. However I must point out how poor your pilots react in local with the smack. Your pilots are rude and the respect that we had is certainly now well and truly gone. I know you are upset about loosing your space, but your poor ganking tactics like logging in bubbles and other goon like tactics show your real colours. And quit the bob slaves crap, ASCN let you have that space, you where slaves to ASCN infact almost every alliance in this game is a "slave" to someone. Some people pay in ships, minerals, and some pay isk all seems to be a form of slavery? I think you need to hit the history books ladies and gentleman; so get a grip ladies and don't troll my reply please!
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:26:00 - [77] Originally by: Kronarty Originally by: DeadDuck Just a question. Was POS involved in the ASCN vs BOB conflict ? Or you kept a neutrality policy during the campaign ? From Tabatha's first message in this thread: "[...]We fought BoB since day one of this war[...]" I think that counts as a non-neutrality policy Sorry .. Good luck in your future
Kronarty Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:28:00 - [78] Originally by: Jake Noble And quit the bob slaves crap, ASCN let you have that space, you where slaves to ASCN infact almost every alliance in this game is a "slave" to someone. Some people pay in ships, minerals, and some pay isk all seems to be a form of slavery? Let me clear a common(?) misconception on the nature of the POS-ASCN relationship: POS never paid ASCN. Not a single isk, m3 of minerals, ship, module or exotic dancer was paid to ASCN by POS. We were good neighbours and friends, that is all. Now having said that, I hope people understand that the fact MWA are paying top isk to occupy one of our two constellations while being banned from the local 10/10 complex (ouch!) is certainly NOT our problem, it is MWA's problem. So no, we were not ASCN's slaves/pets.
hired thug ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:34:00 - [79] Originally by: Jake Noble And quit the bob slaves crap, ASCN let you have that space, you where slaves to ASCN infact almost every alliance in this game is a "slave" to someone. Some people pay in ships, minerals, and some pay isk all seems to be a form of slavery? I think you need to hit the history books ladies and gentleman; so get a grip ladies and don't troll my reply please! I tend to agree that slaves are not a 100% good word. Tenants, Bobbits whatever might be better. The fact tho that "BoB-slaves" is a term this forum is pretty much used to. It has been used since the start when BoB lets someone else live in their space in exchange for a rent. Reason is that you do the work so that BoB gets rich. POS have never paid ASCN 1 isk for living in Eso, ever. POS had 100% freedom to produce whatever we wanted, including capital ships. POS had no obligations to help ASCN in any matter, financial nor fleetwise. POS shared the 16P complex with ASCN on a 1 week on 1 week off deal. POS and ASCN are brothers, not landowner and tenants. THAT is the main different between the two of us. BoB offered POS a tenant deal but it was refused on the spot. POS pay CCP to play. POS DO NOT pay another ingame corp isk to play. So again, yeah BoB slaves are maybe a lame term to use, but POS had never the same relationship with ASCN as MWA has with BoB. Regarding the smack in local. Well it will pass. POS has in the future no history of using alot of smack. But sitation is not what is was in the future. Remember that MWA have paid BoB to get control of the outpost POS and specially OI have invested in and built. I will not tell my members to stop smacking in local, cause that will take some of their fun away. But in time this will pass. As for the tactic i think it works perfect. We have a pretty nice killboard atm and it will be like that in the future. This ofc makes is very frustrating for MWA, but again. Dont think it shall come without cost to rent the station POS have built and invested so much in. BoB fought us in their tactic. A tactic that POS had no match in. When ASCN couldn't stand up against BoB how will POS be able to. POS are now using it own tactic to fight BoB-Tenants. This is how it will be and i guess if you dont like it you have always the option of moving out of Eso again.
Dawson Caldari British Space Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:53:00 - [80] BSC wishes good luck to our old friends good times Ambassador & Admiral
James 315 The Older Gamers	Posted - 2007.01.10 17:42:00 - [81] Much respect to Prime Orbital Systems, a very brave alliance.
245645	Posted - 2007.01.10 17:44:00 - [82] Edited by: 245645 on 10/01/2007 17:40:57
MeatwagonUK M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.10 17:45:00 - [83] Good luck POS, have fun in whatever you do. Nice to see lots of friendly faces in the thread :) o/ niko + matt
DinoC ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:18:00 - [84] Originally by: ZelRox Originally by: DinoC Originally by: Apollyon X It's better to die on your feet then live a lifetime on your knees. -Emiliano Zapata This quote suits you guys well Good luck POS. Spot On mate. Nice sentence. I told you i would have your corpse that day :D And I knew you would. It was a bit of a "suicide" mission and death was almost certain, but I had a job to do and needed to stay there. I miss my cerberus though Still manage to kill a few before going down, but the amount of T1 frigs you had around me was not even funny lol. Anyway, it was good fun and it was nice to shoot at you for a change :) I'll get you back Jake, as for you comments about our tactics it only shows your frustration since you guys have been maintaining a bubble camp for the last 2 days on a 23/7 basis and still you manage to take a nearly 2 bill isk of losses (estimate) against our losses of about 5 ships. Its not our habit of discussing battles/wars on the forums so please dont drag this thread into that. Battles are won and lost in-game not on the forums... As I told you many times before... Its only a game after all. Great Respect to all others posting on this thread. Its nice to know that there are a lot of people out there that although enemies in-game, have great respect for us. Likewise, we respect all our enemies that play and that polite. Thus why you will notice that a lot of us have great respect for Ricarda M for the way he conducts his gaming experience. An enemy and a friend that we can chat to.
Manus Ghostface Caldari Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:36:00 - [85] RicardaM is kind of like that gentleman fencer who is slightly evil (perhaps a neat mustache and goatee) but will still discuss wine and politics while slicing you to pieces. That city is well fortified which has a wall of men instead of brick. - Lycurgus
Jake Noble Amarr OLE Mining Corp	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:58:00 - [86] Like I said guys gl to you, I took what you said into consideration and removed the part that you where referencing to but will leave yee oldie slave trade there.
Thesiuss Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:52:00 - [87] Edited by: Thesiuss on 10/01/2007 20:54:30 It does this ole manÆs heart well to be proud of the way POS and Oberon has conducted themselves not only in this conflict but since the very beginning going all the way back to the Great Northern War. Always steadfast in it's principals and to its friends, regardless of it's changing fortunes good and bad.... My utmost respect to the men and women of a POS and Oberon. Oberon Inc Website--------------Oberon Sales Page
Jumpp Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.10 21:12:00 - [88] Edited by: Jumpp on 10/01/2007 21:10:29 Originally by: Rod Blaine ASCN HC...'requested' POS early on in the whole thing to contribute to the war effort by sitting in UHKL system in delve for weeks on end. That is, unless I'm mistaken and POS came up with that idea themselves. Then there was a small attempt at pos-spamming in nol-m9 I believe, supposedly to be backed up by a large ascn fleet amnouvre in order to draw our forces into esoteria so we wouldn't be able to react in time. So all in all POS was fairly active in the war, and most definately threw their lot in with ASCN from the get go. Not really surprising seeing the past. Mr. Blaine is not mistaken. ASCN asked us to do it, and we were happy to oblige. As the much larger partner, they were entitled to call the shots. Eisenhower was Supreme Allied Commander, not Montgomery. ASCN were good friends in peace and good allies in war. They weren't our landlords. They were our friends. We lived in Esoteria as a free people, without compromise, and we step into the shadow now without complaint. To everyone who's offered kind words: Thanks. To everyone who fought bravely in the war, on either side: /salute To the new tenants in Esoteria: Be seeing you.
Ricarda M Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.11 02:35:00 - [89] i ll miss all the cap recharger II fitted Apocalypse BS :( Good luck guys!Always nice talking in local ;) regards!
DinoC ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 02:55:00 - [90] Originally by: Ricarda M i ll miss all the cap recharger II fitted Apocalypse BS :( Good luck guys!Always nice talking in local ;) regards! Unlucky mate... MWA only drops t1 :) heheh
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:54:00 - [91] Originally by: DinoC Originally by: Ricarda M i ll miss all the cap recharger II fitted Apocalypse BS :( Good luck guys!Always nice talking in local ;) regards! Unlucky mate... MWA only drops t1 :) heheh Hmm, don't remember seeing you around while your station's where being taken. Smack when you have something to brag about mr bigmouth.
Angeles Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 04:21:00 - [92] Your flamage is not welcome here, please flame in your own threads. thankyou
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.11 07:07:00 - [93] Edited by: Nez Perces on 11/01/2007 07:05:17 I am quite certain that in the long run this decision to not get on your knees and pay rent/tribute to another will strengthen your alliance beyond measure. If you can hold your pilots together and focused, you will have avoided the slipperly slope into apathy that comes with ridding yourself of the responsability of fighting for your right to live in 0.0 Oh I'm probably gonna get flamed for this... but .. stop to consider for a moment, that if no alliance or entity agreed to live as a tennant in 0.0, then it would be impossible for an alliance with imperialistic tendencies to hold beyond 2-3 regions, maximum with current game mechanics Good decision POS.
DinoC ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 07:21:00 - [94] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: DinoC Originally by: Ricarda M i ll miss all the cap recharger II fitted Apocalypse BS :( Good luck guys!Always nice talking in local ;) regards! Unlucky mate... MWA only drops t1 :) heheh Hmm, don't remember seeing you around while your station's where being taken. Smack when you have something to brag about mr bigmouth. Please dont drop things to that level. It was pointless to fight a battle were we would lose ships as well as kill some but in the end we would achieve nothing. I have to admit that I was not around much during Xmas period, but I had something called Real Life and Family to attend. My alliance mates were aware of this matter and understood. However I did participate on the retake of BY-MSY and anchored two towers that allowed us to regain the system back from BoB. I am really sorry that I couldnt participate due to the reasons stated above which I believe its a more than good enough reason.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.11 08:47:00 - [95] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 11/01/2007 07:05:17 I am quite certain that in the long run this decision to not get on your knees and pay rent/tribute to another will strengthen your alliance beyond measure. If you can hold your pilots together and focused, you will have avoided the slipperly slope into apathy that comes with ridding yourself of the responsability of fighting for your right to live in 0.0 i disagree thats the end of pos, they have shown when back ins stain, that they like to choose the easy way out. As a big part of their members are just npcers which like to hunt in . system they just fall appart, id guess that mwa or rise will get applications from a lot of those members. If u check certain ppl u reconzie that tons of ppl from stain/ASCN/TS and whatnot joined pos to stay in the area. So i forsee that 90% of the ppl will come back to 16p just with a different ticker.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.11 08:58:00 - [96] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 i disagree thats the end of pos, they have shown when back ins stain, that they like to choose the easy way out. As a big part of their members are just npcers which like to hunt in . system they just fall appart, id guess that mwa or rise will get applications from a lot of those members. If u check certain ppl u reconzie that tons of ppl from stain/ASCN/TS and whatnot joined pos to stay in the area. So i forsee that 90% of the ppl will come back to 16p just with a different ticker. If indeed this is the case, then they are wasting their time, whatever they do...
MrRx7 Amarr Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 09:05:00 - [97] Edited by: MrRx7 on 11/01/2007 09:02:45 Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 i disagree thats the end of pos, they have shown when back ins stain, that they like to choose the easy way out. As a big part of their members are just npcers which like to hunt in . system they just fall appart, id guess that mwa or rise will get applications from a lot of those members. If u check certain ppl u reconzie that tons of ppl from stain/ASCN/TS and whatnot joined pos to stay in the area. So i forsee that 90% of the ppl will come back to 16p just with a different ticker. I am very sorry to say you are completely wrong, I will be very suprized if anyone from POS leaves to join MWA. I dont know if you have been keeping track of our killboard, but Esoteria isent exactly a ideal place to live atm. Also, We dident choose the easy way out, Are you honestly telling me you would have stayed and tried to fight a fight outnumbered at least 4 to 1? No, We made the smart decision and withdrew and are quite happy with our current situtation. Always a pleasure, See you in Wx MWA
hired thug ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 09:09:00 - [98] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 11/01/2007 09:00:23 Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 i disagree thats the end of pos, they have shown when back ins stain, that they like to choose the easy way out. As a big part of their members are just npcers which like to hunt in . system they just fall appart, id guess that mwa or rise will get applications from a lot of those members. If u check certain ppl u reconzie that tons of ppl from stain/ASCN/TS and whatnot joined pos to stay in the area. So i forsee that 90% of the ppl will come back to 16p just with a different ticker. *If* indeed this is the case, then they are wasting their time, whatever they do... Having fun is NEVER a waste of time. any further speculation on what the future might bring im not going to put any effort in. POS have only lost a few systems, we have not lost the will to play the game our way.
Angeles Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 09:14:00 - [99] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 11/01/2007 07:05:17 I am quite certain that in the long run this decision to not get on your knees and pay rent/tribute to another will strengthen your alliance beyond measure. If you can hold your pilots together and focused, you will have avoided the slipperly slope into apathy that comes with ridding yourself of the responsability of fighting for your right to live in 0.0 i disagree thats the end of pos, they have shown when back ins stain, that they like to choose the easy way out. As a big part of their members are just npcers which like to hunt in . system they just fall appart, id guess that mwa or rise will get applications from a lot of those members. If u check certain ppl u reconzie that tons of ppl from stain/ASCN/TS and whatnot joined pos to stay in the area. So i forsee that 90% of the ppl will come back to 16p just with a different ticker. I find this alittle hard to understand, maybe this is because your english isnt 100% so i will cut you some slack ;). But from what i can make of it you are saying that we 'ran away' from eso? No we did not we had no choice but to move our assets from the stations BoB had taken from us, also yes we NPC but we also PVP because we love it not because we have to. As for joining MWA or RISE LOL sorry you couldnt be further from the truth. Im sure many posts above explain this and im just repeating whats been said.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.11 09:22:00 - [100] Originally by: MrRx7 Edited by: MrRx7 on 11/01/2007 09:02:45 Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 i disagree thats the end of pos, they have shown when back ins stain, that they like to choose the easy way out. As a big part of their members are just npcers which like to hunt in . system they just fall appart, id guess that mwa or rise will get applications from a lot of those members. If u check certain ppl u reconzie that tons of ppl from stain/ASCN/TS and whatnot joined pos to stay in the area. So i forsee that 90% of the ppl will come back to 16p just with a different ticker. I am very sorry to say you are completely wrong, I will be very suprized if anyone from POS leaves to join MWA. I dont know if you have been keeping track of our killboard, but Esoteria isent exactly a ideal place to live atm. Also, We dident choose the easy way out, Are you honestly telling me you would have stayed and tried to fight a fight outnumbered at least 4 to 1? No, We made the smart decision and withdrew and are quite happy with our current situtation. Always a pleasure, See you in Wx MWA wrong name @ quote just a sidenot. OFC now everyon says "we are staying till the bitter end" but when the wallet get belowe an amount its probally the case that few will start "Oo have to go, rl hits me and lub and whatnot wish u luck" joining a mwa corp, this has been shown way to often to be not true. OFC ppl will still pretend that they love pos and u guys and that this is just a coincedence that they still dock at 16p and are now one of bobs residents, see the point is just the masters changes as does the ticker. There is not one alliance which lost their space where still as big as when they had space. OFC its about "cutting the fat off" but when ur honest to yourself its lossing pilots because of npcing/mining in a .0 region with free acsess wo all the things which get offerd. And thats what pos has been, a free haven for ppl which where tired of being the sandbags of others, so they joined an smalish alliance like pos, to gather isk in relativ peace. And with this thing gone, there is no obvious reason why someone who came to make isk should stay in pos. I know that beside bob esoteria was gankage paradiese, mostly because, no personal offense, u where the perfect gank targets, with not paying attention to local or alliance chat, u could easily gank in your space, and the force u brought was just a porly executed blob. For me personal the end of pos is near, as soon as the first few ppl leave towards alliances, mwa or not. Ull see that other will follow, its just who will be first. Then pos will start to crumble. And tbh i dont see a region where pos would survive for longer then a day without such a big daddy ascn next too your space. With the death ascn, pos was about to fall too, no doubt in that, and damn sad tbh, i liked u guys, u where always nice in local didnt smack and when it happend u didnt fight that bad.
hired thug ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 09:25:00 - [101] I guess with time we just have to prove u wrong.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.11 09:33:00 - [102] Originally by: hired thug I guess with time we just have to prove u wrong. If u allow me id like to try to see what happening next. POS is now regrouping, while that a few ppl start running missions somewhere in empire. Which is better then rotationg ships in jita hangar. Other will wait till the things calm a bit then will go back to 16p to gank the new resident there. Probally will be doing ok, but that gets boring so damn fast, ive done that myself, its just "got him -2 warp to me" boom then ull probally try to get a new home, which could be a npc region, but this isnt the standard ur used too, cause 16p and bx(?) where quiet nice systems to make isk out of. So someone comes up with the plan to get a new place: A) get someone elses space, but with not having a big dude with you, u probally get blobbed 1:2 ur numbers in less then 30 mintues, so u retreat. First ppl come up with omfg we failed, discussion "BLA BLA" leaving alliances join other alliance B) New region, ull build an op somewhere in one of those, which are mostly damn far away from empire, as npc dont have bounty but drop compount its still a harder life then back in 16p so again discussion bla bla, leaving alliance join other. When u manage to maintain a core of ppl, its cool for u and ur aim to have have fun in the game, but with less ppl u have less option, u can run around gank like a butcher, which as i said become boring when u kill ppl in ravens all day long, or ur alliance will just vanish slowly, with more and more ppl leaving towards alliance with better space and or better option to play the game in all his posibilties.
Angeles Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 09:36:00 - [103] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: hired thug I guess with time we just have to prove u wrong. If u allow me id like to try to see what happening next. POS is now regrouping, while that a few ppl start running missions somewhere in empire. Which is better then rotationg ships in jita hangar. Other will wait till the things calm a bit then will go back to 16p to gank the new resident there. Probally will be doing ok, but that gets boring so damn fast, ive done that myself, its just "got him -2 warp to me" boom then ull probally try to get a new home, which could be a npc region, but this isnt the standard ur used too, cause 16p and bx(?) where quiet nice systems to make isk out of. So someone comes up with the plan to get a new place: A) get someone elses space, but with not having a big dude with you, u probally get blobbed 1:2 ur numbers in less then 30 mintues, so u retreat. First ppl come up with omfg we failed, discussion "BLA BLA" leaving alliances join other alliance B) New region, ull build an op somewhere in one of those, which are mostly damn far away from empire, as npc dont have bounty but drop compount its still a harder life then back in 16p so again discussion bla bla, leaving alliance join other. When u manage to maintain a core of ppl, its cool for u and ur aim to have have fun in the game, but with less ppl u have less option, u can run around gank like a butcher, which as i said become boring when u kill ppl in ravens all day long, or ur alliance will just vanish slowly, with more and more ppl leaving towards alliance with better space and or better option to play the game in all his posibilties. pure speculation..... are you just trolling??? you do not know what will happen, you will know in time. watch this space!
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.11 10:24:00 - [104] Originally by: Angeles Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: hired thug I guess with time we just have to prove u wrong. If u allow me id like to try to see what happening next. POS is now regrouping, while that a few ppl start running missions somewhere in empire. Which is better then rotationg ships in jita hangar. Other will wait till the things calm a bit then will go back to 16p to gank the new resident there. Probally will be doing ok, but that gets boring so damn fast, ive done that myself, its just "got him -2 warp to me" boom then ull probally try to get a new home, which could be a npc region, but this isnt the standard ur used too, cause 16p and bx(?) where quiet nice systems to make isk out of. So someone comes up with the plan to get a new place: A) get someone elses space, but with not having a big dude with you, u probally get blobbed 1:2 ur numbers in less then 30 mintues, so u retreat. First ppl come up with omfg we failed, discussion "BLA BLA" leaving alliances join other alliance B) New region, ull build an op somewhere in one of those, which are mostly damn far away from empire, as npc dont have bounty but drop compount its still a harder life then back in 16p so again discussion bla bla, leaving alliance join other. When u manage to maintain a core of ppl, its cool for u and ur aim to have have fun in the game, but with less ppl u have less option, u can run around gank like a butcher, which as i said become boring when u kill ppl in ravens all day long, or ur alliance will just vanish slowly, with more and more ppl leaving towards alliance with better space and or better option to play the game in all his posibilties. pure speculation..... are you just trolling??? you do not know what will happen, you will know in time. watch this space! OFC its a pure speculation, but tbh mostly iam close to be right, anyhow wish u guys luck
Kronarty Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 10:34:00 - [105] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 i liked u guys For someone that likes us, you sure don't know that much about us. Quote: If u check certain ppl u reconzie that tons of ppl from stain/ASCN/TS and whatnot joined pos to stay in the area. The makeup of our corporations is as follows: Oberon Incorporated: Founder of POS. Zitek: Were invited into POS by Oberon after they left SA willingly and had relocated somewhere else and been living there for a while. we actually had to convince them to come back Quantum Industries: Never lived in the area before being invited into POS. Pandora's Mining Covenant: Never lived in the area before. Sensus Numinis: Never lived in the area before. The other corporation that was in POS was Sublime and they are no longer in the alliance (were asked to leave during the war) and joined ASCN, so I don't know what they are up to and as they aren't members anymore it does not matter for this discussion. I hope that clears up the nature of POS and their member base origins.
MattSB Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.11 10:51:00 - [106] Edited by: MattSB on 11/01/2007 10:55:24 Just a few things i had to reply to here, One about POS ending, imo POS will not end as it is oberons initially and they stood on there own before and worst case scenario that is what will happen again, although over the months of living in eso the POS corps have become relatively clsoe and being kicked out of eso from what i can see has done the oposite to what nromally happens by bringing them closer together. I keep in contact with a fair few POS members since leaving QI and i cant remember last time ive seen them having so much fun and proud to be POS Lastly about joining with MWA, i can only speak from the QI perspective but QI will NEVER rejoin MWA they were there before and well to put it bluntly it put QI into turmoil when we were a member and i know the QI directorship will never go through that again as cleaning up after that was enough one time let alone again. Sorry if this sounds like smack but its not meant to be, just a different perspective on it o/ @ meat
Menthore Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:24:00 - [107] I don't normally post on these forums because 9/10 times all they seem to become is a flame fest instead of constructive or worth reading. BUT, I have to say that to see enemies, allies, friends even neutrals alike posting nothing but good wishes to POS for keeping our honour over ownership of regions, freedom over slavery is commendable. I salute you all for been respectful and dignified in your posts. To those of you in the very narrow minority who cannot help but flame please go elsewhere to bother others. POS is here to stay in Eve, and now we have no towers or stations to worry about the gloves are off. As time passes things will be very different. We have resolve and honour, and the will to fight the right fight on our own terms. As pointed out some may leave in time, everyone has rock chewers that stay where the droids are, that happens in every alliance and corp after such events, but they are not what makes POS who we are. MattSB is also right, from QI point of view we will NEVER join MWA, I have toe nails that need removing before that happens. I salute you all and see you out there, specially MWA, r/l keeps me from visiting you guys at present, but ill come say hi as soon as possible. PS. MattSB mines croc in condors..
Jumpp Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:56:00 - [108] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 ...wait till the things calm a bit then will go back to 16p to gank the new resident there. Dude. There is no wait, and there is no calm. Check the killboards. We've been butchering those poor tenants since the day they showed up. I can only assume that the scenario you describe, and so earnestly wish for, is some sad replay of your own life. In your grief and bitterness you can't face the idea that anyone else would bear adversity with more perseverance than you have. We are butchering the tenants. All day, every day, and it's never going to stop. Ever. They'll leave, another like them will show up, and we'll butcher them too. We're not strong enough to take back our land. We are strong enough to make sure that nobody else ever enjoys living there. Ever.
agram tabris Gallente Oberon Incorporated	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:27:00 - [109] Originally by: Manus Ghostface RicardaM is kind of like that gentleman fencer who is slightly evil (perhaps a neat mustache and goatee) but will still discuss wine and politics while slicing you to pieces. to me ricardam is one of the most honourable pilots out there. he/she is one of those seldom species that still puts fairnes and honour on top of everything else.
Vuudu Teeth Of The Hydra Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:10:00 - [110] Quote: Dude. There is no wait, and there is no calm. Check the killboards. We've been butchering those poor tenants since the day they showed up. I can only assume that the scenario you describe, and so earnestly wish for, is some sad replay of your own life. In your grief and bitterness you can't face the idea that anyone else would bear adversity with more perseverance than you have. We are butchering the tenants. All day, every day, and it's never going to stop. Ever. They'll leave, another like them will show up, and we'll butcher them too. We're not strong enough to take back our land. We are strong enough to make sure that nobody else ever enjoys living there. Ever. That's good. Our members need pvp training and you guys are providing it. MWA has no plans to leave our new home, even after the horrendous losses we've taken this past week. We've made mistakes and have paid the cost, but as I've told my Alliance: Whatever doesn't kill us will only make us stronger.
MrTiddles Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:20:00 - [111] To jump in on page 4, for those hardcore forum readers with no life, I just wanted to add my isk to this post. I am very proud of POS and every pilot here. Not only is it a fine group of people, but a fine group of pilots. Myself aside (because I suck lol), POS has some of the finest pilots I've come across. I am honored to be a part. As Jumpp's friend said, of MWA: "Why are these Indians shooting at us, don't they know the French sold us this land?" Also, to my Alliance-Mates: I am very impressed that despite uselessly hateful flames on this threda, you guys have held your cool. +4 to Charisma :) null
Zuki Ed Gallente Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:39:00 - [112] Originally by: Vuudu That's good. Our members need pvp training and you guys are providing it. MWA has no plans to leave our new home, even after the horrendous losses we've taken this past week. We've made mistakes and have paid the cost, but as I've told my Alliance: Whatever doesn't kill us will only make us stronger. Now that is the spirit that keeps you alive out there. I wish you guys good luck too and hope we're able to learn a lot about this. GL to you and GL to us too I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!! Max sig image file size is 24,000 bytes. --Jorauk
Angeles Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:52:00 - [113] Originally by: Vuudu Quote: Whatever doesn't kill us will only make us stronger. Unless its a non terminal muscle wasting disease
Kunming Outcasts	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:22:00 - [114] I heard from an "insider" that you offered to sell out to BoB but they rejected ur terms. Despite disliking BoB alot, I feel quite happy about the fact that they didnt took your offer. You sold out your alliance to keep your outpost over a year ago... all I can say is: "What comes around goes around!" Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
DinoC ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:35:00 - [115] Edited by: DinoC on 12/01/2007 01:34:20 Originally by: Kunming I heard from an "insider" that you offered to sell out to BoB but they rejected ur terms. Despite disliking BoB alot, I feel quite happy about the fact that they didnt took your offer. You sold out your alliance to keep your outpost over a year ago... all I can say is: "What comes around goes around!" There is speculation written all over this post. Get a new "insider". Plus we all learn from our mistakes, and Oberon has been of the outmost fairness in all their dealings with all alliance member corps. Although they owned 2 outposts in Esoteria, and QI owned one, they did went down to their knees and accept having a landlord. Outmost respect for them for keeping their integrity at face of great loss.
Deliz Seemack Conics Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:49:00 - [116] Good luck POS. May you survive all forum trolls -He conquers who endures. -Never underestimate game companies' greed.
Halseth Durn Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.12 04:24:00 - [117] Edited by: Halseth Durn on 12/01/2007 04:21:01 Originally by: Kunming I heard from an "insider" that you offered to sell out to BoB but they rejected ur terms. Despite disliking BoB alot, I feel quite happy about the fact that they didnt took your offer. You sold out your alliance to keep your outpost over a year ago... all I can say is: "What comes around goes around!" POS made no offer to bob. However, there were discussions between "old friends" where after lengthy conversation, we eventualy predicted the exact situation we have today in Esoteria. Also, we never sold out SA.
Kunming Outcasts	Posted - 2007.01.12 15:30:00 - [118] Originally by: Halseth Durn Edited by: Halseth Durn on 12/01/2007 06:13:57 Originally by: Kunming I heard from an "insider" that you offered to sell out to BoB but they rejected ur terms. Despite disliking BoB alot, I feel quite happy about the fact that they didnt took your offer. You sold out your alliance to keep your outpost over a year ago... all I can say is: "What comes around goes around!" POS made no offer to bob. However, there were discussions between "old friends" where after lengthy conversation, we eventualy predicted the exact situation we have today in Esoteria. Also, we never sold out anyone. As I said its not me who observed it but an insider who informed me and not one high up in the ranks either so could be bull**... BUT, you did sell out ur alliance m8s over a year ago, SA-SE.. remember? You can call it "choosing a side in a civil war" but I call it "selling out", you know why cause even if we were perfectly safe living within the NPC controlled space of Stain we send out all our corp's military force to help you out in Paragon Soul and Esoteria vs various attackers, we didnt had any financial gain from this infact it was a financial loss for us, but for us one of u guys going down was as unfortunate as one of our guys going down.. and you know why because we were A T-E-A-M!! You ** up your team and you ** up ur future with it (why do you think BoB is so succesful, cause they dont up each other over ISK), call it whatever u want, vocabulary aint gonna change the facts. Tribal Souls, Prime Orbital Systems, etc etc, you are all the same for me TBH, despite this sounding angered and bitter, it is not. I'm glad I found about your true nature sooner rather than later, you guys will never see beyond your own wallet and will never achieve anything in EVE, your mark in EVE starts and ends with the 1s and 0s of a database you call ISK. GL in the future.. cause you definetly gonna need it my "old" friends. Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.**
Taerlon Caddarn Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:37:00 - [119] I do not want to try and turn this into a flame fest and nor am I going to try and put the records right. What I do hope to do is try and explain 1 small thing as a member of POS (Not OI but ZTKDE). I have been around for a while in fact I am an old b*****d so I pass these words as much from experience of life as of eve. Yes OI / POS are not perfect and yes in many peoples eyes they did the unforgivable over 12 months ago in the SE / SA incident. I will also agree they were when I first met them (and one or two probably still are) money grabbing buggers who appeared to care for isk more than friends. I can honestly say though that through their actions over the last 6 months these people have learnt from any mistakes they may have made and where required have changed. They are a good group of people who have turned into friends and in fact support the alliance wholeheartedly, many times from the coffers of OI in order to complete tasks. They have lost greatly in recent weeks with the fall of the stations and rather than sulking they have looked to the way forward and new goals and staying with the friends they have made over the last 12 months and not to the recouperation of isk. I am sorry for many that they maybe did not appear to show this loyalty in the past though if that was the mistake that they made then, they have evolved with time and learnt from experiences and isn't that all we can ask. I would add an analogy to life, if you are in a relationship and your partner betrays you and sleeps with another. Do you leave or do you forgive and move forward. It is a difficult question and one fortunately I have not had the misfortune to have to face. Maybe OI did make a mistake and 'sleep with another' that is not something I am really trying to prove or disprove. What I am asking for though is to give them a second chance by their recent actions let them prove and build the trust back up where some may say it has gone. From the posts here, many have found respect for POS in their deeds and actions and this is a start for us in POS to build any bridges that any of us may have burnt in the past. No one is perfect and some make mistakes, I have made many. I just hope that those I offend when I do have the compassion to forgive whatever I may have done. Please do not flame in response because I know this may open many old wounds and that is not the intention. Just think for a while and hopefully allow us in POS to show in Eve what we now are and how we intend to conduct ourselves. We leave our POS's but we will always be POS. /me salutes and signs off.
Halseth Durn Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:40:00 - [120] Originally by: Kunming despite this sounding angered and bitter, it is not. Actually, yes it sounds very bitter and very angry. You would have to be to clasify the internal drama of an alliance civil war as "selling out". Please re-check those definitions. I am sorry that the SE/SA self destructed, but it was inevitable in a time when large NPC region alliances were disolving. It's time to accept the fact that its gone now. I am also sorry that you think Oberon Inc places value on ISK over friendship and loyalty. This more than anything displays how incorrect your perception of us really is. Fly safe, Kunming. Halseth ISD, this informational thread has served its purpose and is starting run off topic, please close it.

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