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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2003.12.02 17:36:00 -
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I've been hearing that soon you won't be able to make a bookmark near a gate and that your in-system warps will place you even further away from gates. This is a game killer for me. This change will increase player's dependence on MWD and cute gate attacks.
Another item on Chaos is that it will take 30 seconds for a Battleship to lock a frigate. What kinda crap is this? This is nonsense. Whats our goal gonna be, whomever sells the most power diagnostics wins? Soon it will be impossible to defend yourself or seek revenge on asshats. Only those players spending hours looking for exploits will be enabled to have any type of PvP action.
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TheFatman
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Posted - 2003.12.02 17:47:00 -
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This was talked about a long time ago, the insta jump bookmarking that is, I hope they do it.
It is much to easy to escape in the game as it is, taking away insta jump bookmarks should enhance PvP not detract from it.
The only thing I would hope is that taking away the gate bookmarks isn't done before the Player owned ore refineries are put in.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.12.02 17:50:00 -
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I Like that they will remove the insta jump BMs, but i really dont like the "hard to target" on smaller ships, there is no logic at all in that.
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.12.02 17:51:00 -
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"It is much to easy to escape in the game as it is, taking away insta jump bookmarks should enhance PvP not detract from it."
This is a game killer, making one of the worst parts of the game (travel) even worse.
Bad idea...
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.12.02 17:59:00 -
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LOL yes removing the ability to set bookmarks so instant jump is possible would provide easier targets for gatecampers.
And also provide players with another reason it's not all that profitable to head out into 0.0 space based upon the increased travel time alone.
I'm glad that this is just a rumor being recirculated for no good reason by some griefers who are bored and feel the need to stir the "lets cause trouble" pot.
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TheFatman
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Posted - 2003.12.02 17:59:00 -
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People will have to adapt their loadouts or how far they are willing to travel for buisness. It might actually help improve the market, by effecting travel times, not as big a nerf to "going anywhere" as getting rid of the super highways, but might make the Eve Universe a little "bigger" again.
I do believe they need to introduce ore refineries before they do the bookmark nerf, but thats just my opinion.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.02 18:02:00 -
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instead of just freaking out to rumours, read the threads where these changes are being detailed, and discussed.
Patch review would be a good start.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.02 18:03:00 -
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I'm glad that this is just a rumor being recirculated for no good reason by some griefers who are bored and feel the need to stir the "lets cause trouble" pot.
it's not a rumour. The only rumour here is that it's a rumour. It's true, and it's coming.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2003.12.02 18:09:00 -
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instead of just freaking out to rumours, read the threads where these changes are being detailed, and discussed.
Patch review would be a good start.
well you beat me to it.
And people do have skills and modules to minimize the locking time.
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.12.02 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 02/12/2003 18:55:54
So when this does come in Kestrals become the most important ship in the game. By the time the BS locks, 8 cruise missles will be in the air.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.02 18:59:00 -
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sweet, great changes.
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ZzeusS
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Posted - 2003.12.02 19:09:00 -
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it's not a rumour. The only rumour here is that it's a rumour. It's true, and it's coming.
/arnold
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Eneroth
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Posted - 2003.12.02 19:11:00 -
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I Like that they will remove the insta jump BMs, but i really dont like the "hard to target" on smaller ships, there is no logic at all in that.
Yeah that sucks. ppl will probably transport bp in frigs and once u got a lock on them they have already jumped. All in have to say to ccp is eat my shorts if u gonna screw pvp and stuff like that.
Does ccp actually read on the forums or do they only look at the amount of players paying for this game?
But i really think that those instajumps will go away.
Since many ppl use em and the only way to get those punks is to camp at jip.
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.12.02 19:12:00 -
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Why not be more creative?
Why not force the pirates to equip warp disrupters, allowing them to pull 1 ship out of warp 50k from the gate no matter if the person is using a BM or not.
Why punish everyone with longer travel times, at every gate in the game?
Why give this to the pirates, why not make them work for it?
It's just a silly way to go about this whole situation. I think it would be more fun an interesting if these issues were settled with more skills & modules, and not these blatant accross the board nerfs all the time.
It's just another instance of CCP taking the easy way out...
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Visionary
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Posted - 2003.12.02 19:15:00 -
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So when this does come in Kestrals become the most important ship in the game. By the time the BS locks, 8 cruise missles will be in the air
ROFL... but the next 8 missile will never be launched 
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Uuldahan
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Posted - 2003.12.02 19:30:00 -
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niiice, great changes 
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Cortex Reaver
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Posted - 2003.12.02 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Cortex Reaver on 02/12/2003 19:48:52
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This is nonsense. Why is CCP trying to turn this game into "Poppa Smurf versus Barney"? Whats our goal gonna be, whomever sells the most power diagnostics wins? Soon it will be impossible to defend yourself or seek revenge on asshats. Only those players spending hours looking for exploits will be enabled to have any type of PvP action.
Amen!
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.12.02 19:45:00 -
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Yup.. You would need affordable Mobile Ore Refineries before implementing this.. No one is going to do 30 jump Bistot hauling Ops w/o insta-jump bookmarks.. No matter what the five of you are doing in PF-3
Ore Hauling Ops:
Insta-Jump bookmarks = 15 minutes one way.
No Insta-Jumps = 1h 15 minutes one way..
Do the math..
Why not give the Gate Campers a device that only works while they are close to it.. This device forces ships out of warp early.. Like a warp disruption bubble. Then the gate campers don't have to cry about insta-jump users, and the insta-jump users don't have to cry about 3 hour long ore hauling routes. Disruption bubbles could even be used to bring someone out of warp in the middle of no where..
Pretty scary technology.
It promotes war, it promotes mining, it promotes camping.
Everyone is happy.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.02 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 02/12/2003 18:55:54
So when this does come in Kestrals become the most important ship in the game. By the time the BS locks, 8 cruise missles will be in the air.
8 Cruise missiles will barely take my bship to half shields. Which will be repaired shortly thereafter. Which is assuming my m12 defender launcher allows 8 cruise missiles to hit me. Which is where I ask:
Now what's the Kestrel going to do about the incoming 3 cruise missiles and squad of angry drones?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.12.02 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: SUNscatcher on 02/12/2003 19:53:26
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.12.02 19:51:00 -
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Well it better be just a rumor cause its a stupid idea. Soooo tired of listening to the PK's whine about not having someone to shoot at. Talk about carebears.
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.12.02 20:16:00 -
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Now what's the Kestrel going to do about the incoming 3 cruise missiles and squad of angry drones?
Die probably, but if the pilot has half a brain he's got 4 or 5 mates doing the same thing. A solo BS pilot could find himself in trouble if a group showed up and managed to warp jam him.
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.12.02 20:21:00 -
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um sorry to bust your parade but the less signature a ship has the harder it is to find. thats the way it is in real life and in this game if you want it to be lifelike.
take the f117 i think its number is it has the sigature of a bumbel bee on radar screens.
so a friget a ship that is made small and has a very small signture will be very hard to target. you people cry and stomp your hankies that the game is not real enought. well welcome to the real world fokes get use to it
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.02 20:23:00 -
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Now what's the Kestrel going to do about the incoming 3 cruise missiles and squad of angry drones?
Die probably, but if the pilot has half a brain he's got 4 or 5 mates doing the same thing. A solo BS pilot could find himself in trouble if a group showed up and managed to warp jam him.
5 vs 1 odds, I don't expect to win. I will fight to the best of my ability. And if they make a single mistake, I will escape. But it's not a fight I expect to win.
Then again, what about my buddies?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Koda
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Posted - 2003.12.02 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 02/12/2003 20:34:42
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5 vs 1 odds, I don't expect to win. I will fight to the best of my ability. And if they make a single mistake, I will escape. But it's not a fight I expect to win.
Then again, what about my buddies?
If Merc frigates taught us anything, when the pilot has little at risk (implants notwithstanding) they will behave more recklessly. Combined with this boost against BS's, I think people people may give this play style a try.
It's not going to reinvent the Pvp wheel, but it will have an impact.
Now if they could fix the lag and get rid of the @#$*ing invulnerability timer...
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.02 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 02/12/2003 20:34:42
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5 vs 1 odds, I don't expect to win. I will fight to the best of my ability. And if they make a single mistake, I will escape. But it's not a fight I expect to win.
Then again, what about my buddies?
If Merc frigates taught us anything, when the pilot has little at risk (implants notwithstanding) they will behave more recklessly. Combined with this boost against BS's, I think people people may give this play style a try.
It's not going to reinvent the Pvp wheel, but it will have an impact.
Now if they could fix the lag and get rid of the @#$*ing invulnerability timer...
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Skills & Modules: sorry but they are still broken, I'll update them tomorrow
Invulnerability Time: changes coming very soon
JIP: we have a testable version of a fix for jump point camping, this will enter Chaos very soon
Drones: drones will most likely soon be given accuracy
Frigates: new frigates entering game play, much sturdier frigates up to cruiser class strenght
Missiles (FOF problem): smartbombs will get boost to tackle missiles
I will post changes here later, sorry if I'm not detailed enough, but there are lots of changes going on and they need alot of focus/work.
TomB in the forest fire concerning the changes to lock timers in Ships & Modules
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.02 21:05:00 -
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Jump In Changes directly from a Developer
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.02 22:17:00 -
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Jump In Changes directly from a Developer
Perhaps my planetside hiatus has made me dim... do you have an equivalent link quoting CCP on the removal of quick-jump bookmarks?
That'd require digging through the CSM logs 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Drutort
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Posted - 2003.12.02 23:22:00 -
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instead of just freaking out to rumours, read the threads where these changes are being detailed, and discussed.
Patch review would be a good start.
well you beat me to it.
And people do have skills and modules to minimize the locking time.
ya even with my maxed out skill at lvl5 isnt going to help unless they give us another skill for say a BS/BB that would let us target faster smaller ships 
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.12.02 23:25:00 -
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did I miss read Chandra or did she not say she thought bookmarks will work as before? If so then where has it been written that this aspect of the game is definitely going to be nerfed?
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