I'd just like to go on-record as saying that CCP Fozzie & team have exceeded my expectations on this one. Having played with the fitting of ships and working out a quick breakdown of how things will be working on Sisi, I can safely say that I love these changes. This is going to make everything more fun.

Seconded this. Not only will it help balance Logi and make it more skill requiring, it actually makes it far more fun!

For example: I was on sisi today testing, doing the good ol CA1, rr neutrals. No longer is it suddenly a person is .5km out of range and poof, everything is off. There is a buffer to say "turn your ass around and get back" as you watch the reps start to fall off. Makes it quite exciting actually and more involved for both parties. Very much feeling like a win all around.

You are misunderstanding the changes.
The amount repaired per second didn't change. They cycle slower, but boost more.

The only thing this changes for shield is that you let your target drop a little bit lower before activating the shield booster.

For armor the changes are much more severe, because it will take longer until the rep actually gets applied.
To be honest I don't think armor even needs this nerf, considering how little impact this will have on shield.
Personally I would have just nerfed the scan resolution of logis instead. (since it would have the same impact on shield and armor)


Yes, the optimal range of shield is shorter, but the falloff is a lot longer, meaning that at longer ranges shield actually reps more than armor.


EDIT: The more I think about it... in most situations the decreased cycle time will actually be a buff for shield instead of a nerf:
Imagine you just managed to lock someone as he enters structures. If you now give him a small shield boost he might get volleyd before the next cycle starts, but with a bigger boost he survives that volley and catches reps.

The only situation the bigger shield boost+longer cylce time is a nerf is when you are bad and activate too many boosters at once or too early.
For armor it's always a nerf.

So let me get this straight .... a Scimmy/Scythe/Basi/Osprey can now pump shield HP at 100k ?

You don't see a problem here with warp distance being at 150k and the small guy trying to separate gangs ?

Logi frigs that can repp at 40+ k. Lovely.

Don't you think you should set that warp to distance at more than 200k now ?

At 100km they are going to do 22% of current rep. You'll need 5 of those to be as good as a single one.
Overall it's a major nerf - the maximum efficiency stays the same, range is nerfed (you have to be closer to give full reps, especially shield), efficiency is nerfed (if you aren't close, you're ****, especially with armor).

I'm seeing this as an indirect nerf to small gangs......

It's very difficult to judge how these changes are going to change the meta. Logi V is a now an even more powerful skill.

Is it possible to add a small adjustment to T2 logi drone requirements ? It's on the very bottom of skill queues. The multiplicand is relatively high and all drone size are getting the T2 with lvl 5 only.

[The amount repaired per second didn't change.

Logi V is a now an even more powerful skill.

How is Logi V going to be even more powerful? The range bonus? Right now Logi V does more with so many required logi V fits to get that extra rep. The range bonus is fairly good, but at the ranges they operate, not sure if make or break fighting, well, not before crunching numbers. All I can say is being a logi is more fun and what CCP said about wasted reps will be true. Staggered cycles are going to be more important, woot.

There is now even more gap between logi 4 and logi 5 (and it was HUGE before). I'm not comparing the old and new logi mechanic here.

At 100km they are going to do 22% of current rep. You'll need 5 of those to be as good as a single one.
Overall it's a major nerf - the maximum efficiency stays the same, range is nerfed (you have to be closer to give full reps, especially shield), efficiency is nerfed (if you aren't close, you're ****, especially with armor).

Even though I've done MOST of my pvp in a logi, I don't really care, as long as the other guy is hit equally hard. This change doesn't really give any side any more advantage than N+1 would usually give.

From what I can gather, at 100km it's more like 2%, not 22%

When you get a range increase, that is not considered a nerf.

A couple of cycles of RR can save you, even if it is just 1 cycle.
What this means is that the range of engaging on grid against superior numbers has just decreased (a lot), and that Scimmy that is burning for his buddy can pump shields and make his buddy hold out, even at 100k.
Forget about separating on grid if a Scimmy is present.

Can we get a Logistic Drone Bay for LOGI ships. Yes thats right a seperate drone bay from the regular drone bay so LOGI may carry a full compliment of Logistic drones and be capable of feilding DPS drones as needed.