Cap warfare is anti Logi/support. ECM works pretty well too.

I feel like all the changes together are too much of a nerf. It's like CCP listed off all the qualities that could be nerfed on logi (cap use, range, repair amount, cap use, fitting, cycle time) and decided to nerf all of them, while keeping all the same counters, making one of the counters more effective (target switching does more now that cycle time's worse), and adding a new counter (command destroyers can teleport logi away now). Even though the meta 4 reppers became the new compact versions, my Guardians and Augorors no longer fit, and would still be less effective even if they were. I have to either give them frigate-sized tanks or leave an empty high slot to make them fit again. All for a ship's easily countered, requires almost perfect related skills in order to fly at all, and can't do anything on its own.

And people are still saying they need to stacking penalize, have signature radius reduce repairs, or have a dedicated anti-repair EWAR module?

At least you fly armor shield has become a joke after this


Armor, better hp/s better cycle time longer effective range onto of it anyway having better buffer and resists to amplify the effect of logistics.

Shield, reps at start of cycle. .... woo any competent logi pilot can fly well enough that dealing with reps at the end of a cycle is not that big of a disadvantage

shield logi = has it easier to counter alpha
armor logi = has it easier to counter sustained dps

both however are viable ....

Wow, why so much change in the PG/CPU? I have to rework almost every single logi fitting to squeeze them into the hulls.

Solo logi fits are no longer cap stable.
Wait, I have a couple meta-fit T1 frigs that are stable (but over CPU/PG). Not much use for bantams and navitas though

Bye-bye shield, hello armor. Is it possible to look at adding "remote shield augmentor "rigs, to match the armor ones?

...back to the fitting screens...

If you replace whatever remote repairer you have on the fit with the compact versions, it should fit I think.

Solo logi fits are no longer cap stable.

The idea is that you shouldn't be able to run all of your repairers stable anymore. Just like how every cruiser has a hard time running all of its guns, y'know?

Except the 75% of them that don't have trouble running their guns/launchers/drones.
So pretty much just the Amarr cruisers and maybe the Thorax.

However I'm quite sure you can also make cap stable solo logi fits. Just the old ones are no longer cap stable and you need to invest more into it.

I know, that's what I mean. Sensor damps, ECM, cap warfare, target-switching, mass-MJDs, fleet maneuvering and raw DPS/alpha are all very possible counters for logi.

The design philosophy for this rework was "Now there's a way for players to show their skill," but I'd argue the opposite. It's a straight nerf, and just makes logi more susceptible to counters that already worked perfectly fine anyway. If anything, they should've made the fitting and cap use a little less tight so pilots can run them at all without needing to be perfect at them; that's how to let logi pilots show skill.

They are also now less new bro friendly. a decent fit before is now very cap hungry on the exequrer and the scythe. the cost increase was very noticeable. Anyone with mediocre skills is not going to be cap stable in those 2 ships.

Someone may likely have brought this up, but I haven't run across it -- now that these mod have optimal and FO, is there a chance of introducing skills that would increase them?

what happened to the "pacifier" lrar ? Did you forgot it?