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kieron
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Posted - 2007.01.12 20:19:00 -
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Tranquility will undergo an extended downtime for database maintenance on Tuesday, 16 January. The extended downtime will occur from 1100 through 1500 GMT.
While the extended downtime is underway, we are asking for the community's assistance. As part of the ongoing effort to improve EVE's performance, we will be holding a stress test on Singularity and would like for as many members of the EVE community as possible to log into the test server. Once logged in, just play EVE as normal.
The test server will be running on the same version as Tranquility, so it will not be necessary to install a second client. We hope the server load during the stress test will help us troubleshoot some of the recent node issues.
It will not be necessary to set a long skill training for the extended downtime, but please ensure your skill training does not complete during the downtime.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Fredou
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.01.12 21:46:00 -
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ok!
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.12 22:16:00 -
[3]
New CCP policy: How do we make the paying customers into beta testers for us? Shut down the main server. 
Lower and lower...
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Dotar Sojat
Reality Check
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Posted - 2007.01.12 23:46:00 -
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We've always been beta testers bro, wake up. This sounds really good, may be just what the doctor ordered.
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Sagnius
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Posted - 2007.01.13 04:04:00 -
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can we have empire 0.0 again  , that was such a cool time be awsome to do ti again
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Arianna 'Deidorian
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Posted - 2007.01.13 09:42:00 -
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How about fixing that damn mail bug and after that stress testing?
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.01.13 10:15:00 -
[7]
fix the mail bug then do the stress tests
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.01.13 12:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Shemar
New CCP policy: How do we make the paying customers into beta testers for us? Shut down the main server.
Lower and lower...
You troll. If not us then...who? Who better to run a stress test than the EXPERTS at it? give me a frickin' break.
Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV |
Siddious
Brotherhood of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.01.13 14:53:00 -
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HT Kieron.
Are there any server and client side patches gonna be installed during the extended downtime ? Or is this going to be Soon«
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Haschischkakalake
Yellow Wind
Terra Prime
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Posted - 2007.01.13 16:50:00 -
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What the hell does this "database maintenance" mean?! When WILL u guys FIX BUGS!?
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Keshi Linegod
Amarr
Space Turtle Services
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Posted - 2007.01.13 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
New CCP policy: How do we make the paying customers into beta testers for us? Shut down the main server.
Lower and lower...
If you want a better game then you wont mind doing this. If you dont want a better game then GTFO.
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EvE is a sand box. Build a sand castle and beg someone to come destroy it just so you can have the fun of building it up again.
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Keshi Linegod
Amarr
Space Turtle Services
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Posted - 2007.01.13 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
New CCP policy: How do we make the paying customers into beta testers for us? Shut down the main server.
Lower and lower...
If you want a better game then you wont mind doing this. If you dont want a better game then GTFO.
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EvE is a sand box. Build a sand castle and beg someone to come destroy it just so you can have the fun of building it up again.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Haschischkakalake
What the hell does this "database maintenance" mean?! When WILL u guys FIX BUGS!?
Ever defragmented your hard drive?
Similar thing. Every time you destroy an item (god kills a kitten) there is a 'hole' left in the database.
Soon all these holes add up.
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Haschischkakalake
Yellow Wind
Terra Prime
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Posted - 2007.01.13 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Haschischkakalake on 13/01/2007 21:39:40
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Radix Salvilines
Virtual Democracy
Intergalactic Freelance Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.13 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Radix Salvilines on 13/01/2007 23:12:00
Small suggestion to CCP. If u really want to attract dozens of players to EVE give each one on SISI for the time of the stress test all skills in EVE. Everyone will be able to fly a titan (while its cost will be only 100ISK). This way u will have more than enough peoples there :)
Besides... players would be able to anything, test anything. Sounds nice imho :)
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Matthew
Caldari
BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.14 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
New CCP policy: How do we make the paying customers into beta testers for us? Shut down the main server.
Lower and lower...
New CCP policy: when the main server has to go down, give the players an event on the test server so they can still get their fix of Eve.
Originally by: Radix Salvilines
Small suggestion to CCP. If u really want to attract dozens of players to EVE give each one on SISI for the time of the stress test all skills in EVE. Everyone will be able to fly a titan (while its cost will be only 100ISK). This way u will have more than enough peoples there :)
Besides... players would be able to anything, test anything. Sounds nice imho :)
The problem with that is that they wouldn't test anything and everything. They'd all pile on there and test titans and other outrageous setups that they'd never usually be able to access, and not give any attention to anything else. Then they'd realize that titan vs titan combat gets very boring very quickly, and all leave again without testing anything else.
Besides, piling a thousand players on sisi to shoot something is very useful during a stress test, but would render sisi useless the rest of the time when the more routine testing needed to happen.
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Malcurth Deathmind
Gallente
The Merchant Marines
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.01.14 04:39:00 -
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Sounds good, hope yall get around to fixing that mail bug soon!! ^_^
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Christos Hendez
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.14 11:14:00 -
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Please can u reseed the market on the test server. Not much point logging in to test things if you cant buy the modules (shield rigs).
Thx
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elgae
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Posted - 2007.01.14 13:03:00 -
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I cancelled my subscription over two months ago and you are still taking money out of my banking account...
I will be contacting proper authorities as to what legal actions would be appropriate and contacting my bank for reimbersemnet rights
Charlie D.
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:09:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Sevarus James
Originally by: Shemar
New CCP policy: How do we make the paying customers into beta testers for us? Shut down the main server.
Lower and lower...
You troll. If not us then...who? Who better to run a stress test than the EXPERTS at it? give me a frickin' break.
Bull. I pay to play, not be CCP's helper. When CCP wants me to waste my time on their tests, they can pay me for it.
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 14/01/2007 14:12:30
Originally by: Keshi Linegod
Originally by: Shemar
New CCP policy: How do we make the paying customers into beta testers for us? Shut down the main server.
Lower and lower...
If you want a better game then you wont mind doing this. If you dont want a better game then GTFO.
I want a better game, that's why I pay. It's not my job to fix the game, my job is to pay my monthly bill. It is CCP's job to do whatever it takes to provide me with the product I pay for.
Edit: By 'better game' I mean 'fix the bugs', I do not mean 'get new barely working content to attract even more lag producers'.
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Idara
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.14 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
Edited by: Shemar on 14/01/2007 14:12:30
Originally by: Keshi Linegod
Originally by: Shemar
New CCP policy: How do we make the paying customers into beta testers for us? Shut down the main server.
Lower and lower...
If you want a better game then you wont mind doing this. If you dont want a better game then GTFO.
I want a better game, that's why I pay. It's not my job to fix the game, my job is to pay my monthly bill. It is CCP's job to do whatever it takes to provide me with the product I pay for.
Edit: By 'better game' I mean 'fix the bugs', I do not mean 'get new barely working content to attract even more lag producers'.
Ya know, you don't have to log into Sisi to test.
Otherwise I'll say what everyone else is thinking...
STFU
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.14 21:19:00 -
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I don't even play at that time, it is during my work hours. But that does not change the fact that shutting down the main server to force people to the test server is as low as CCP has gone so far (and one wonders how lower they will get). Your attempt at an argument would only be valid if the server did not coincidentally need "database maintenance' at the same time as CCP is looking for free beta testers.
And you don't have to read my posts, if you don't like them; ignore them, it's not very hard for any person with at least minimal intellect. It is well known among anyone with brains that 'STFU' is the universal equivalent of 'I don't like what you are saying but I don't have the ability to actually counter it'.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.14 22:29:00 -
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Thread cleaned please don't troll.
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Zaenar
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Posted - 2007.01.15 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Ever defragmented your hard drive?
Similar thing. Every time you destroy an item (god kills a kitten) there is a 'hole' left in the database.
Soon all these holes add up.
Please don't take m$ retarded technologies as 'state of the art'. Serious filesystems & databases use Garbage Collectors and never ever need to 'defragment'.
As for the original topic : Pretty please add some hotfix for the mail bug, and I'm sure we'll be more than happy to come and help with stress-testing. |
Zaenar
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Posted - 2007.01.15 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zaenar on 15/01/2007 10:10:51
bleh, doubblepost, sorry. |
Keav
Minmatar
Spitfire Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.15 17:46:00 -
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I'll be there for the stress test 
but, PLEASE can you fix the mail bug by the end of the downtime???!!
pretty please...
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Yarek Balear
The Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.15 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Yarek Balear on 15/01/2007 18:29:09
Originally by: Zaenar
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Ever defragmented your hard drive?
Similar thing. Every time you destroy an item (god kills a kitten) there is a 'hole' left in the database.
Soon all these holes add up.
Please don't take m$ retarded technologies as 'state of the art'. Serious filesystems & databases use Garbage Collectors and never ever need to 'defragment'.
As for the original topic : Pretty please add some hotfix for the mail bug, and I'm sure we'll be more than happy to come and help with stress-testing.
This is just wrong. Oracle, probably the most production capable and used database system in the world for serious business applications can be affected by becoming too fragmented. I'm all for a little light hearted flame where flame is due, but at least do it when you know what you're talking about.
While I'm in the mode - I've said it before and I'll say it again - the biggest problem affecting people's enjoyment or ability to play the game is lag. Staying on top of that and more importantly focusing on one element at a time is what is and should be being done. Yes the mail bug is annoying, but it's not stopping you play the game once you clear your mail after logon.
EDIT: Missed a word...
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kieron
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Posted - 2007.01.15 18:32:00 -
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A patch will not be published during the downtime tomorrow, a patch for remaining issues from the Revelations deployment, including the mail notification bug, will be released before the end of January.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Zaenar
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Posted - 2007.01.15 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
This is just wrong. Oracle, probably the most production capable and used database system in the world for serious business applications can be affected by becoming too fragmented. I'm all for a little light hearted flame where flame is due, but at least do it when you know what you're talking about.
You Sir are clueless. I'd be pleased to learn how the 'fortune 500' customers I had for the past 15 years (banks, insurance companies, telco/ISPs, manufacturers, ...) managed to achieve 5+ figures availability (i.e. 99.999%+ in other words, less than 8hrs average downtime/year) with their business critical application/databases if they had to stop their services regularly to 'defragment'. For the record, these backend DBs are not even used by a mere 35k concurrent users, but rather by millions of them daily. Guess what: none of them used m$ products for these applications, none of them complained about fragmentation.
Please, dont make the average JohnDoe believe it comes from technological limitations. Were CCP to be paid solely on effective game time, they'll implement high-availability policies and self-healing storage management. As you said yourself : Oracle _can_ be affected, but properly used, it is not.
BTW, I have no problem with CCP having daily maintenances as it's just a game: High availability comes at a price, and I'd rather see CCP make $$$ for their effort than give it all away.
OTOH, I'll be glad to see them move to more robust backends if we want to enjoy our beloved game with more than 50-100k pilots at peak times, and let CCP leverage their effective clustering architecture without it beeing crippled with desktop/workgroup-class DB software. |
FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.16 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zaenar
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Ever defragmented your hard drive?
Similar thing. Every time you destroy an item (god kills a kitten) there is a 'hole' left in the database.
Soon all these holes add up.
Please don't take m$ retarded technologies as 'state of the art'. Serious filesystems & databases use Garbage Collectors and never ever need to 'defragment'.
As for the original topic : Pretty please add some hotfix for the mail bug, and I'm sure we'll be more than happy to come and help with stress-testing.
O the contrary, SQL Server can fragment; not just the database either, as the Transaction Log File and Database file can auto-grow at different rates, causing fragmentation on disk.
CCP do use MS SQL IIRC.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
TheDevilsJury
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.16 11:04:00 -
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Sisi is giving me an "incompatible build" error and asks me to patch. Is this safe to patch onto my main (TQ) eve client, or should I just wait until the right version is up?
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Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.16 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: TheDevilsJury
Sisi is giving me an "incompatible build" error and asks me to patch. Is this safe to patch onto my main (TQ) eve client, or should I just wait until the right version is up?
I've got the same problem! I thought it was going to be running the same version.
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Zaenar
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Posted - 2007.01.16 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Zaenar
Please don't take m$ retarded technologies as 'state of the art'. Serious filesystems & databases use Garbage Collectors and never ever need to 'defragment'.
O the contrary, SQL Server can fragment; not just the database either, as the Transaction Log File and Database file can auto-grow at different rates, causing fragmentation on disk.
CCP do use MS SQL IIRC.
My point precisely: M$ SQL is not 'state of the art' technology, nor is NTFS, thanks for pointing that out.
On The Fly Defrag example. Enjoy. |
FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.16 11:32:00 -
[35]
When CCP want to take down Eve for 4+ days to migrate from MS SQL yo Oracle, I am sure they will let you know 
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Shin Kikko
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.01.16 11:32:00 -
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any news on the Incompatible Release ??
Trying to login but can't connect
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McWigga
Reload An Fight
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Posted - 2007.01.16 11:35:00 -
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Seems were all having the same problem..
GIVE US SOMETHING TO DO!!!
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Pokerface
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Posted - 2007.01.16 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
While the extended downtime is underway, we are asking for the community's assistance. As part of the ongoing effort to improve EVE's performance, we will be holding a stress test on Singularity and would like for as many members of the EVE community as possible to log into the test server. Once logged in, just play EVE as normal.
The test server will be running on the same version as Tranquility, so it will not be necessary to install a second client. We hope the server load during the stress test will help us troubleshoot some of the recent node issues.
The same version then why we have to DL an patch?
And when trying to DL you get a error site
So you want us to test or what? make it work!
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Lucius Rex
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.16 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Lucius Rex on 16/01/2007 11:57:10
I was eventually redirected to 'download full client' which is when i gave up. (the full vesion is older then my active one)
i have version 28296,
patch o2/test/evepatch28296-28750_test.exe is auto requested and missing. 'alternate' dl site returns forbidden.
I think they didn't change sisi to normal build (yet) and have blocked access to test patches to avoid damage.
EDIT- erased some nonsense
Lucius Rex
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Lalanu Soulinarr
Minmatar
Technology 42
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:02:00 -
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Well seems test is running a different version then your live, no biggie can copy eve and patch to help you all stress test it. One exception tho your mirror of live is close to two months old so those of use that recieved this for an xmas gift this year get to sit on the sidelines and wait for the production server to come back up. wtg 
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Shin Kikko
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Kikko on 16/01/2007 12:08:39
there is another thread on this as well.
Found this link on it
http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/test/evepatch28296-28892_test.exe
seems to have patched and trying to login now....having been sitting on "Aquiring Bulk Data" for a few minutes now though.
Says there is 241 peeps logged in
EDIT: Link above definately works, am logged into Sisi and sitting in a station
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Gangus
Minmatar
Matari BackBone
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Gangus on 16/01/2007 12:09:13
Well ccp, it seems you have come up with an excellent strees test for us... However, I don't think you and I have the same definition of Stress Test. I can't get a patch for Sisi, which is making me DAMN STRESSED!!!!! are you intending to test how many people click on the dead links for the patch, and how many times they click, hoping you guys have realised and fixed the weblink?
Anyway, if the formula above holds true, YES!!! THIS TEST OF MY PATIENCE IS STRESSING ME OUT!!!!
Thanks for making me plan to join the stress test, putting off other plans, then having to sit back and become frustrated.
EDIT: the URL provided above is for a different build to what the client is supposedly expecting... not too sure if i should use it or not...
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BluOrange
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:16:00 -
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It seems to me that the reset of Singularity to the same build as Tranquility was forgotten in the process of starting the maintenance.
Implementation plans, guys! Documentation is boring, but oh so very useful ;)
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Little Bo'peep
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:25:00 -
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Was all set to put my 3 toons on and stress test with them. Instead I get stressed and am told to download a xx mb file to make compatible. Screw that. WTF happened between your sisi stress server test news and reality???
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Lalanu Soulinarr
Minmatar
Technology 42
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:29:00 -
[45]
The above url is only one of two patches for the live server to test remember during the holidays they had another patch that was optional to fix some issues for some users.
From live to Test
http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/test/evepatch28505-28892_test.exe
or
http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/test/evepatch28296-28892_test.exe
depending on what your running.
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Gangus
Minmatar
Matari BackBone
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Gangus on 16/01/2007 12:29:27
Well, finally someone has come along with some help, and amazingly enough, confirmation that it works. seems my original "Stress Test" is cancelled, and another begins. :)
EDIT: it would have been nice to have had a ccp rep here to inform us of a way to avoid their screw-up, but that's the way the cookie crumbles i suppose...
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BluOrange
Gallente
New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:40:00 -
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Don't forget that installing a test patch will make your build incompatible with Tranquility. Copy EVE to another folder if you don't want to be reinstalling it in a few hours!
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Adrielle Firewalker
Minmatar
WASTELAND MINERS Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:40:00 -
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Not going to be much of a stress test if people have to make the usual copy of the eve folder. I think the masses of people you'd need to stress test anything won't be bothered if they have to fart around with a new copy, patch up process.
If I could just log in, as we were told we'd be able to, I probably would, but as it happens, I have other stuff I should be doing
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Lalanu Soulinarr
Minmatar
Technology 42
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:41:00 -
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Glad that worked for you :) too bad they have an old mirror tho I get to sit this one out.
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Pokerface
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:41:00 -
[50]
this is what i get LOL!
Quote:
The patch could not be applied because of an error.
EVE-Online was not found on your computer. You will have to install the game in order to apply this patch.
Funny was online just before DT!
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TamiyaCowboy
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:43:00 -
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kieron:
i have tryed too use SISI and get an error saying there is no patch for my build. it take 45 mins too copy eve folder an i dam sure aint doing it again. why is there no patch for my build. stress test lol you guys sure are stressing us with no working clients
Tami
Duct Tape: The kidnappers Best Friend Since 1971 |
Guinhill
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:44:00 -
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I guess they haven't update their test server database in a while, my account won't log in.
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Lonx
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Lonx on 16/01/2007 12:41:26
Fantastic work CCP... 
I ended up copying the Eve folder, patching for test version & then find the old mirror problem as well. Its telling me my CC declined a charge in 2005, which was when I switched credit companies & didn't renew Eve subscription until recently. Love your work...
They wanted a stress test but only 342 users logged in when I was on there. I bet that's really pushing the CPU limit on the server...
/disappointed rant.
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Mawlith
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:48:00 -
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Thank you for the links Lalanu, at least I was able to get an "OK" message on Test, even if it does only have 349 players on it =/
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Jek Tahr
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:49:00 -
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well
I made a copy of the folder, applied the patch but all I get is a "status unknown" and an error message :
Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong
so, what do I do next ? 
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Pokerface
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Pokerface on 16/01/2007 12:48:26
Originally by: Lonx
They wanted a stress test but only 342 users logged in when I was on there. I bet that's really pushing the CPU limit on the server...
/disappointed rant.
Maybe thats the number for an healthy server, runs best with under 400users
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DarkKirara
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:52:00 -
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ok so its past 15 what ever that means and the server still isnt up, whats up people?
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Umbriele
Gallente
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:59:00 -
[58]
Fix the mail bug!!!!! Its a shame!!
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TamiyaCowboy
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:01:00 -
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client build 28554
there is no patch for this client build. this is the build number of my sisi client. Dev's it would be nice if you could point me too patches so i can atleast log into sisi and help with stress test. tbh im lazy and aint gonna re-copy a folder that takes near on a hour too do. please show me correct patches too make my client compatable
Tami
Duct Tape: The kidnappers Best Friend Since 1971 |
Lonx
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lonx on 16/01/2007 13:03:31
Does anyone know how i can set my american clock to this time
What is the GMT difference where you are, or what state of USA are you in?
For what its worth, they are claiming the server should be up at 11am in New York or 8am Washington. Work it out from there I guess mate.
Tamiya, it took you an hour to copy the folder? took me about 2minutes... and those hard drives aren't too expensive (a pair of 250gb SATA).
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Pokerface
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Pokerface on 16/01/2007 13:04:15
I foresee lots of trobles when the clocks hit 15:00gmt
Well iam off to do better things than waiting for ccp to respond
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Pokerface
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:10:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Lonx
Edited by: Lonx on 16/01/2007 13:03:31
Does anyone know how i can set my american clock to this time
What is the GMT difference where you are, or what state of USA are you in?
For what its worth, they are claiming the server should be up at 11am in New York or 8am Washington. Work it out from there I guess mate.
Tamiya, it took you an hour to copy the folder? took me about 2minutes... and those hard drives aren't too expensive (a pair of 250gb SATA).
GMT
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DarkKirara
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:19:00 -
[63]
thank you guys so much, this is alot of help, really thank you
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Jerusalem Man
Farmers Union
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:22:00 -
[64]
A quote about organisation and brothels springs to mind. Had hoped to help out with the stress test but after 2hrs of ???? its bedtime. 
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Lonx
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:40:00 -
[65]
I'm in Sydney, Australia so GMT+10 but we have daylight savings so I might be an hour out with my calculations (if so, then it'd be an hour less of what I said before).
That saying.... Couldn't organise a bang in a what? Exactly!
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:07:00 -
[66]
Love the fact that they announce a stress test, fubar it, and don't even bother to post back to this thread with updated information / instructions.
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Guinhill
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:10:00 -
[67]
I guess the Dev team thinks the Tranquility server is more enportant right now, the test server is ofline to.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:17:00 -
[68]
Yes, but they have that nifty little box on the login screen for news updates, it's still telling people to join the stress test, how much time would it take to update it?
I don't understand why -- when they are having server problems -- they don't make better use of that little news box.
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Khwalik
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:17:00 -
[69]
WTF are you ccp folks smokin? Like I'm gonna go through a bunch of grief to help you out after all the greif I currently go through with this game...
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Chris Stormrider
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:19:00 -
[70]
I wanted to help with the stress test, but had to patch
So I made a copy of my eve folder and said ok to the patch, but the client couldn't find it
Then I searched manually for the patch in question in ftp, http and their folders
Then I visited the forums and some user had some suggestion
at that point I gave up, 'cause I had already stress tested my self and guess what? I had some stress. Do I pass, fail or what?
I'm sure ccp are trying their best and all, but I'm here for the fun on my limited time, no hard feelings, I guess someone else will fill in my spot ;)
PS. I sure would appreciate a dev or a mod to pass some information to us, even if it means 1 guy less working on it, honestly.
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Dupac
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:33:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Chris Stormrider
I wanted to help with the stress test, but had to patch
So I made a copy of my eve folder and said ok to the patch, but the client couldn't find it
Then I searched manually for the patch in question in ftp, http and their folders
Then I visited the forums and some user had some suggestion
at that point I gave up, 'cause I had already stress tested my self and guess what? I had some stress. Do I pass, fail or what?
I'm sure ccp are trying their best and all, but I'm here for the fun on my limited time, no hard feelings, I guess someone else will fill in my spot ;)
PS. I sure would appreciate a dev or a mod to pass some information to us, even if it means 1 guy less working on it, honestly.
would have to agree - found this thread to get the patch (eventually) then when I got on the server went down 20 minutes later -
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Malik Conner
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:40:00 -
[72]
Yeah, I've given up. After trying various suggestions it seems the test server has been off-lined. Would like to know what went wrong though. |
Mawlith
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:43:00 -
[73]
I was on Test just long enough to test anchoring a Control Tower for a POS. It went down at 1400 :(
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Reinschauer
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:48:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Reinschauer on 16/01/2007 14:51:10
(Edit: Removed a load of rubbuish. Maybe I was just too stressed when I wrote the original reply...)
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Keav
Minmatar
Spitfire Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:54:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Keav on 16/01/2007 14:52:16
Originally by: ****c
If you want community help to test something at least give the proper information and have the patch available
Signed.
But at least it's giving me the chance to read the latest EON Magazine
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Terrorv1z
Caldari
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.16 15:03:00 -
[76]
Am I the only 1 wondering that CCP only had an "extended DT" today so they could all plat WoW: TBC on release day?
Just a thought 
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Admiral Eos
Gallente
Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2007.01.16 15:06:00 -
[77]
I'm running my test copy on 2.14.28892.
Just wondering if this is the correct version.
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kieron
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:06:00 -
[78]
Apologies to all that tried to log on for the stress test on Singularity during the extended maintenance period and could not. Unfortunately, a test server setting was not changed over that allows the server to run in a mode that mirrors Tranquility. This prevented a large number of players from logging in to participate. The autopatch message was disabled as soon as this was noticed.
Some users did apply a test patch to their game client, thus necessitating the need to install a new client in order to resume play on Tranquility. Again, we apologize for the inconvenience caused by today's events.
kieron
Community Manager,
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:27:00 -
[79]
Originally by: kieron
Apologies to all that tried to log on for the stress test on Singularity during the extended maintenance period and could not. Unfortunately, a test server setting was not changed over that allows the server to run in a mode that mirrors Tranquility. This prevented a large number of players from logging in to participate. The autopatch message was disabled as soon as this was noticed.
Some users did apply a test patch to their game client, thus necessitating the need to install a new client in order to resume play on Tranquility. Again, we apologize for the inconvenience caused by today's events.
Your joking right, first of all you say that you never get enough people on the test server to fully see the affect of some of your patches, but the one time you do turn of TQ to get lots of people on SISI you mess it up and cannot perform the test proper.
I find this really poor for a company like yourselves. There is just no excuse for this.
I urge you to do this again and thbis time to get it right!
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Lonx
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:42:00 -
[80]
The autopatch message may have been removed as soon as someone in CCP noticed it (clearly if we were load testing a test server, you would have someone monitoring the users & thinking WTF? to themselves), however I'm pretty sure it was there for the majority of the downtime period anyway... as anyone who bothered to read this topic had probably experienced.
Pretty poor form & the explanations don't really add up to what we see... sure, we pay for a gaming service - however I thought we'd deserve some decent explanations rather than 'something wasn't ticked or checked' considering that your wages apparently depend on us as users.
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pet101
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Posted - 2007.01.16 18:38:00 -
[81]
Normally Game hosting subscription services give rebates it there is a regular length of server downtime. Recently i think this needs to be considered, for example 1 day given back free to all subscribers it really would not hurt CCP that much to help retain its membership and please everyone
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Dotar Sojat
Reality Check
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Posted - 2007.01.16 19:12:00 -
[82]
OMFG I am so glad I didn't bother with the stress test, I feel sorry for you guys that got hosed by CCP.
Amazing buffoonery
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Lenutza
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.01.16 19:18:00 -
[83]
Another patch without the evemail bug or carrier bug fixed.
Some of us get tens of evemails per day -- some get a lot more. This is rapidly become untenable and such a critical bug has remained way too long.
Carrier bug was introduced the patch after Kali, I believe -- since then corp hangars have not been calculating size at all.
How does this stuff ever slip through QA?
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Sharkbait
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Posted - 2007.01.16 20:11:00 -
[84]
I will clear up alittle here. TQ was not taken down to do the stress test for SISI, that would never be allowed by management. Before the release of Revelations we focused a lot of stability of the cluster and since the release we have focused more on it to better improve the stability of the cluster. In the last few weeks we have had probably 2-3 node deaths max, jita is the main problem tbh, but we are looking into that and we are doing something magical for the Revelations 1.3 patch. I will address the lag stuff in a min.
But of late we have been experiencing proxy server deaths, which is something very new with Revelations. It only happens when the proxy servers are under a lot of load, so i spoke to Valar and asked him when he needed to do some database maintenance so i could do the stress test at the same time. All we needed really was people to log in and test anything, just basically load the proxy servers tbh. But today i had to go out of the office and in a rush i forgot to ask the people that update SISI to change the needed settings so you could connect with your TQ client. Which resulted in a lot of people patching up to a version of the client that is not compatable with Tranquility. For this i can only apologize.
I was however logging what was happening on SISI and tbh we didn't get a lot from it due to my mistake. I take full blame for the mixup.
Ok, the lag issue. Over the last few weeks i have been spending a lot of time monitoring agent missions, where they are happening and what amounts are being done per day. For the Revelations 1.3 patch we are planning some changes to system jump routes to hopefully balance the map alittle better, this will mean removing some system jumps, relocating some system jumps and include the relocation of some agents. Tomorrow i'm in a meeting with TomB, Hammerhead, Fear and T20 about this stuff and once we have decided what we are going to do, it will be changed updated to SISI hopefully by this weekend at the latest. But i will ofcourse post the details in a forum somewhere.
So again i apologize for the mix up today and i also promise to keep you updated on the changes we are hoping to make in Revelations 1.3.
Flame away
No more forum posts from me :) |
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Keav
Minmatar
Spitfire Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.16 20:48:00 -
[85]
Happens to the best of us
Thanks for being upfront and honest about the mix up.
I support any efforts to improve Eve and personally I don't mind so much with hicups like this as long as we're kept informed along the way
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.01.16 22:12:00 -
[86]
Its just frustrating to see all these players who want to get on there to actually help you guys make a better product, and then you cant even bother to drop us a note when you see there are problems.
I know some players treat you guys like crap, and I understand if you are sick of some of us. But I still think you could post some info on what is going on. The only reason people help out is because they think its being appreciated by you. Its not fun to do a stress test where you lag and get kicked out or freeze up. We do it because it may help you improve the game.
I was personally looking forward to this test, but it turned out to be 2-3 hours of troubleshooting and helping players patch their clients because none of you guys bothered to tell us what was going on.
I only whine because I care you know. I know you could do things in a better way, so im going to whine until you do or I get banned, whatever comes first.
Btw, I read the article on Revelations II on mmorpg and its looking super sweet btw. Just wanted to put something positive in this otherwise pretty whiny but honest post.
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Dotar Sojat
Reality Check
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Posted - 2007.01.16 22:42:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I know some players treat you guys like crap, and I understand if you are sick of some of us.
They are sick of some of us? If as consumers we had the option to acquire this product elsewhere, we would have collectively FIRED these morons a long time ago.
I had the day off from work today, I was going to join in the stress test but the instant I saw incompatibility I knew someone had taken too many bong hits, I went outside and stacked firewood instead.
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Pokerface
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Posted - 2007.01.16 23:48:00 -
[88]
Mistake? CCP should stike hard on this kind of mistakes or idontcareness! to show the rest of your crew that this is not an ordinary job! and stupid mistakes like that is not acceptable!
I really hope CCP will make you rob some floors!
Good for you am not your boss
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.16 23:49:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Dotar Sojat
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I know some players treat you guys like crap, and I understand if you are sick of some of us.
They are sick of some of us? If as consumers we had the option to acquire this product elsewhere, we would have collectively FIRED these morons a long time ago.
I had the day off from work today, I was going to join in the stress test but the instant I saw incompatibility I knew someone had taken too many bong hits, I went outside and stacked firewood instead.
*sits squarely in the middle of the two extremes*
I am no fan of CCP, I am just a customer that wants to have fun playing a game. I don't think CCP are morons. I don't think they are living their lives for the sole purpose of giving us a better game either. They are a business and their aim is to make money. Having a good game and not losing customers is a 'byproduct' of that.
I am sure there are people at CCP working very hard to make things work. But I am also sure there are people pushing for 'bigger and better' (as in bigger customer base, better profits  ). I just wish CCP realises they have bitten off more than they can chew and slow down a bit.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.17 09:44:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Sharkbait
...we are looking into that and we are doing something magical for the Revelations 1.3 patch...
...For the Revelations 1.3 patch we are planning some changes to system jump routes to hopefully balance the map alittle better, this will mean removing some system jumps, relocating some system jumps and include the relocation of some agents. Tomorrow i'm in a meeting with TomB, Hammerhead, Fear and T20 about this stuff and once we have decided what we are going to do, it will be changed updated to SISI hopefully by this weekend at the latest. But i will ofcourse post the details in a forum somewhere...
You mean... we are finally getting the Jita bypass I dream of?
<3
Makes sense I suppose, other than coming from deep south, the majority of routes in Caldari space take you through the Jita/New Caldari/Sobaseki triangle.
Is there any way to have the autopilot assign a 'cost' to busy systems? If the AP could avoid systems that were at, or near to, capacity then surely that would help?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.01.17 10:22:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/01/2007 10:20:17
Originally by: Dotar Sojat
They are sick of some of us? If as consumers we had the option to acquire this product elsewhere, we would have collectively FIRED these morons a long time ago.
I had the day off from work today, I was going to join in the stress test but the instant I saw incompatibility I knew someone had taken too many bong hits, I went outside and stacked firewood instead.
Originally by: Pokerface
Mistake? CCP should stike hard on this kind of mistakes or idontcareness! to show the rest of your crew that this is not an ordinary job! and stupid mistakes like that is not acceptable!
I really hope CCP will make you rob some floors!
Good for you am not your boss
I said IF. How would I know what they really feel? All I know is that I would be sick of all the whining in these forums, and I see a lot of really unjustified treatment of the ccp staff. People whine for every little thing and dont care at all about the people who have to read it. We all make mistakes. There is absolutely no reason to insult the devs, the company or anyone else just to get your point across. Saying they should be fired is way out of line too. If you read my post, you see how I managed to tell them how I felt about this without being a real jerk (I hope). Why cant everybody? There are real people behind these cartoon characters. Dont forget that.
Im a major fan of this game. I like the devs a lot. I tell them my opinions while still being considerate of their feelings (at least I try). I really dont see why everybody dont treat them with respect even when you disagree. I really dont.
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.17 13:35:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Im a major fan of this game. I like the devs a lot. I tell them my opinions while still being considerate of their feelings (at least I try). I really dont see why everybody dont treat them with respect even when you disagree. I really dont.
I think the bolded part indicates why some people have different attitudes than yours. Fans tend to take everything in good faith (i.e. automatically assume what CCP says is the actual truth) while those of us that are just customers and not fans tend to always read 'the bottom line' to everything CCP does and naturally assume we are not being told (all of the) truth. Having said that, I agree that there are limits and that calling people morons or asking for them to be fired is beyond those limits.
It is important to remember that CCP is a fast growing company and not a single person. The devs that post here answer to somebody else and no matter how good their intentons are there are a lot of things that thay do not have control of, including how they allocate their time and what they are allowed to tell us.
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Malik Conner
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Posted - 2007.01.17 17:05:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Sharkbait
I will clear up alittle here... ...we have been experiencing proxy server deaths, which is something very new with Revelations. It only happens when the proxy servers are under a lot of load,
so i spoke to Valar and asked him when he needed to do some database maintenance so i could do the stress test at the same time. All we needed really was people to log in and test anything, just basically load the proxy servers tbh.
But today i had to go out of the office and in a rush i forgot to ask the people that update SISI to change the needed settings so you could connect with your TQ client. Which resulted in a lot of people patching up to a version of the client that is not compatable with Tranquility. For this i can only apologize.
Flame away
Listen, I'm devoted to this game and am more than happy to help out whenever I can.
I tried to get on during the stress test but couldn't and was concerned that I'd actually done something wrong. It would have been really helpful for someone on the day to have just posted to say it's gone wrong and we could all have got on with our lives. That really would have saved me a lot of wasted time.
Anyway, still happy to help out if you need to do this again. |
Dotar Sojat
Reality Check
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Posted - 2007.01.17 19:53:00 -
[94]
You're right Jim, I was rude by calling anyone here a moron, I strike that one word from my post above. I wonder though am I wrong in having pretty low expectations at this point?
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