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Drusus Rensus Gallente Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:28:00 - [1] I remember when Insurgency was formed I thought "well, this is logical, you've got an imperial power, an insurgency is a logical response". But Insurgency doesn't seem to be behaving like an insurgency. I would expect an insurgency to be using principals and tactics of asymetrical warfare. In other words, they run, hide, engage in sedition and stirring up unrest and animosity toward the imperial power, blend in with the population, hit "soft targets" that are lightly defended, and vanish when the imperial power moves to respond. What I don't get is all this smack-talk about Fountain. An insurgency wouldn't stay and fight an imperial power head-on, anywhere. That would be dumb, and not an insurgency. If insurgency is an insurgency, I would expect them to move out of fountain when BoB moves to respond to them there, and hit BoB somewhere else, or lots of somewhere elses. Is Insurgency not an insurgency? I'm confuzzled. Drusus
Bella Noma Amarr Mapquest Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:32:00 - [2] Edited by: Bella Noma on 13/01/2007 16:34:19 BOB thread number 132451362474684689645 this month. thanks for wasting more bandwidth. GMs, why don't you just make Corporations, Alliance, and Organization Discussion Forums point directly to http://www.bandofbrothers.org.uk? EDIT: spelling
Drusus Rensus Gallente Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Bella Noma Edited by: Bella Noma on 13/01/2007 16:28:40 BOB thread number 132451362474684689645 this month. thanks for wasting more bandwidth. EDIT: spelling Yeah. That's kind of like griping that the U.S. gets mentioned too many times in the news. Get over it.
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:36:00 - [4] The aim of every insurgency is overthrowing or destabilising the existing government in an area to allow someone they support to take power. Of course if/when they succeed in that they will cease being an insurgency and become part of the new government, but so what.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Shirei The aim of every insurgency is overthrowing or destabilising the existing government in an area to allow someone they support to take power. Of course if/when they succeed in that they will cease being an insurgency and become part of the new government, but so what. The aim of an insurgency with respect to an imperial power is usually to make them start to view trying to hang onto that empire as more trouble than it's worth, no? If you look at the history of insurgencies, they generally succeeded not by overthrowing the empire outright, but by exposing their inability to project their power over very large holdings. BoB being able to continue to expand hinges on them being able to attract tenants into their newly conquered space who will pay them rents for being there. If folks see no advantage in paying BoB rents, or don't feel that they have to (like the folks that came to fountain) they won't. I would think that the object of an insurgency in this case would be to make the "rent from BoB" propsition unattractive for the renters, and throw a monkey wrench into those works. None of this matters to me one way or another, by the way, I just noticed how people are talking about BoB kicking these guys out of fountain like that's going to mean anything, and it got me curious as to whether these guys are really trying to mount an insurgency. Drusus
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:17:00 - [6] Our history has always been about moving into an area of ops and going at it 100%, when the action fades, we move on. the name insurgency was very fitting for this. The problem with fountain was it was a great region that we could easilly control the core of against very poor pvpers. we have stayed far too long, thats my fault but tbh i just couldnt be arsd planning another move. The fountain populating sounded a good idea, i liked helping folks, we really do not get paid or gain anything from it, we even try our best not to fight with them, they control their own future in whatever they want to do. ragardless of all the smack on eve-o and the twisting of my words i think its been a great success and we may even try it again in a diff region, who knows. d solo. no killboards on forum thnx
dabster Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:46:00 - [7] Most of us didnt care what the name meant "in depth", it sounded cool and the general meaning suited us, end of story questions answered. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:51:00 - [8] Edited by: Zhaine on 13/01/2007 17:49:46 Originally by: darth solo Our history has always been about moving into an area of ops and going at it 100%, when the action fades, we move on. Aha some truth. If you'd said this throughout you wouldn't get all the smack you're getting now, or look like such fools on the forums. You go places. You shoot stuff. And you're damn good at it (especially for your corp size). Stick with that and don't go making noobs or yourself in front of the community by talking out of your rear ends, and, for what little it's worth, you have my respect and admiration. Quote: Most of us didnt care what the name meant "in depth", it sounded cool and the general meaning suited us, end of story questions answered. I'm sorry but was that d solo and dabster not only BOTH making sensible posts, but also doing it almost simultaneously? What are these forums coming to? - - - - - - - - - - World's best insult: Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr You thundering retard. Coreli: Our boosters make you happy. . .
Drusus Rensus Gallente Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:58:00 - [9] Originally by: darth solo The fountain populating sounded a good idea, i liked helping folks, we really do not get paid or gain anything from it, we even try our best not to fight with them, they control their own future in whatever they want to do. ragardless of all the smack on eve-o and the twisting of my words i think its been a great success and we may even try it again in a diff region, who knows. d solo. Thanks for the reply Darth. I guess I was just reading more into the name than you intended. My fault. You just like picking a place and picking a fight and moving on when you get bored with it. Cool, thanks.
Trinity Faetal 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:06:00 - [10] should have added that dot at the end like i told you Insurgency. is more cooler then Insurgency -- Enjoy The Silence
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Drusus Rensus I remember when Insurgency was formed I thought "well, this is logical, you've got an imperial power, an insurgency is a logical response". But Insurgency doesn't seem to be behaving like an insurgency. Jeez, and I thought it was formed to get Celes in to the Caldari Tourney, silly me. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Zhaine Edited by: Zhaine on 13/01/2007 17:49:46 Originally by: darth solo Our history has always been about moving into an area of ops and going at it 100%, when the action fades, we move on. Aha some truth. If you'd said this throughout you wouldn't get all the smack you're getting now, or look like such fools on the forums. You go places. You shoot stuff. And you're damn good at it (especially for your corp size). Um... actually this is the attitude we have had for 3 years. I don't know what game you have been playing, apparantly not this one. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:35:00 - [13] so like now a few bob are in fountain ur running off again cos you say the action is fading? What kinda PVP do you guys do like ? -
batloard Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Drusus Rensus I remember when Insurgency was formed I thought "well, this is logical, you've got an imperial power, an insurgency is a logical response". But Insurgency doesn't seem to be behaving like an insurgency. Jeez, and I thought it was formed to get Celes in to the Caldari Tourney, silly me. that was the plan, but we got a 2 for 1 with the name
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.13 19:27:00 - [15] Thanks for clearing up what Insurgency means, i had no idea
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.13 19:34:00 - [16] Aha some truth. If you'd said this throughout you wouldn't get all the smack you're getting now, or look like such fools on the forums. the forums are here for some fun for the lads, if i thought that they made us look bad we would have rules about posting on them, we dont. as for fountain im tired of saying the same old thing, we never offered them a safe area, we offered them a chance in whats known to be one of the best regions in eve. a chance, thats it. they stick to our basic rules then they can really do pretty much what they want. now im getting smackers saying "LOL celes apoc u cant defend the locals against 3 alliances and merc corps, u guys suck". but thats the way the game is i guess. Fountain was a complete success, we set out goals and completed all of them. celes apoc will be defetaed by us, it will NEVER be defeated by the fools that "try" and fight us and will deffo not be defeated by the forum guys who do stupid talk.. yes we lost 30 members, but u think we started with 100 members?, we were 2 for a while. either way its all good. respect to coreli btw, i dont put them into that comment, they seem to be usefull pvpers and good guys. d solo. no killboards on forum thnx
T34R4k Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.13 19:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Trinity Faetal should have added that dot at the end like i told you Insurgency. is more cooler then Insurgency Kemomo. ?
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.13 19:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Drusus Rensus ... Is Insurgency not an insurgency? I'm confuzzled. Drusus I'm sure it was not your intent, but you sound like a Celestial Apocalypse alt. You are trying to put forth the idea that an insurgency must remain mobile and avoid the main forces. Anyone with an interest in Fountain events would have read the other threads and known Celest were being accused of leaving Fountain core just as things started heating up. Now you post asking why they haven't left, and if they should leave soon, it would make much RP sense to do so. Sounds like a clever exit strategy. Since I don't afford such cleverness to Celest, I don't believe you are an alt of theirs.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.13 19:51:00 - [19] Originally by: darth solo Fountain was a complete success, we set out goals and completed all of them. Is that so? Do you mean these goals.. Originally by: darth solo First stage. The clearing out of core, complete. Second stage. Taking the alliances head on in fleet combat, complete. Third stage. Removing any large concentration of the enemy in fountain, complete Fourth stage. Inviting the ppl of EVE to Fountain to make LOTS of isk, complete Final stage. Removing the enemies control of the outpost, complete. (Thanks ASCN for the help). Your victory was so resounding thirty of your members quit in the excitement (and maybe flamed you a bit on the way out).
Drusus Rensus Gallente Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 20:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal You are trying to put forth the idea that an insurgency must remain mobile and avoid the main forces. Well, it's not my idea. That's generally what insurgencies do. Ask anyone who has fought against one. Quote: Anyone with an interest in Fountain events would have read the other threads and known Celest were being accused of leaving Fountain core just as things started heating up. Now you post asking why they haven't left, and if they should leave soon, it would make much RP sense to do so. Yeah, I saw what they were being accused of, and that's what didn't make much sense to me. Either they suddenly decided to stop being an insurgency and decided to be a sovereign entity, or the accusations against them didn't make much sense. From Darth's reply it's clear that they never literally meant that they intended to be an insurgency against you (or anyone), so it was my mistake in the first place. They're just trying to PvP and have some fun. It isn't just that it would make RP sense, it would make sense from the point of view of what an insurgency would try to do; namely to make you bleed more than they bleed, and cost you more than you cost them in terms of lost rents and such. The last thing they'd want to do is let you get any "payback" and even the balance sheet at all. Quote: Sounds like a clever exit strategy. Since I don't afford such cleverness to Celest, I don't believe you are an alt of theirs. Appearantly not. It was just me being bored on a Saturday and reading more into something than there was. Drusus
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.01.13 21:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I'm sure it was not your intent, but you sound like a Celestial Apocalypse alt. You should get one of those tin foil hat things seleene and Bl are always handing out
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.13 22:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Drusus Rensus I remember when Insurgency was formed I thought "well, this is logical, you've got an imperial power, an insurgency is a logical response". But Insurgency doesn't seem to be behaving like an insurgency. I would expect an insurgency to be using principals and tactics of asymetrical warfare. In other words, they run, hide, engage in sedition and stirring up unrest and animosity toward the imperial power, blend in with the population, hit "soft targets" that are lightly defended, and vanish when the imperial power moves to respond. What I don't get is all this smack-talk about Fountain. An insurgency wouldn't stay and fight an imperial power head-on, anywhere. That would be dumb, and not an insurgency. If insurgency is an insurgency, I would expect them to move out of fountain when BoB moves to respond to them there, and hit BoB somewhere else, or lots of somewhere elses. Is Insurgency not an insurgency? I'm confuzzled. Drusus And you call yourself Myriad alliance, yet your numbers appear to be no where near the cardinal number, and your alliance hardly has innumerable members. So really Myriad alliance isnt a Myriad alliance at all. Now that is hypocritical! Cheers CamMan Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Fuglife TOUAREGS	Posted - 2007.01.13 22:47:00 - [23] Originally by: CamMan Originally by: Drusus Rensus I remember when Insurgency was formed I thought "well, this is logical, you've got an imperial power, an insurgency is a logical response". But Insurgency doesn't seem to be behaving like an insurgency. I would expect an insurgency to be using principals and tactics of asymetrical warfare. In other words, they run, hide, engage in sedition and stirring up unrest and animosity toward the imperial power, blend in with the population, hit "soft targets" that are lightly defended, and vanish when the imperial power moves to respond. What I don't get is all this smack-talk about Fountain. An insurgency wouldn't stay and fight an imperial power head-on, anywhere. That would be dumb, and not an insurgency. If insurgency is an insurgency, I would expect them to move out of fountain when BoB moves to respond to them there, and hit BoB somewhere else, or lots of somewhere elses. Is Insurgency not an insurgency? I'm confuzzled. Drusus And you call yourself Myriad alliance, yet your numbers appear to be no where near the cardinal number, and your alliance hardly has innumerable members. So really Myriad alliance isnt a Myriad alliance at all. Now that is hypocritical! Cheers CamMan You can talk, as if one family is large enough to have 2000 brothers, your mother must have been very busy and very rich to afford all those instruments. _____
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.13 23:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I'm sure it was not your intent, but you sound like a Celestial Apocalypse alt. ...bla bla Sounds like a clever exit strategy. Since I don't afford such cleverness to Celest, I don't believe you are an alt of theirs. This post wins eve! To think ..., or not to think, that is the question "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.14 03:31:00 - [25] Edited by: AvanCade on 14/01/2007 03:28:05 Comeon chaps you know damn well know the OP is just trying to start a flame war between us, lets leave it for the battle field, and to the OP who cares.
Admentus Cor'vion Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.14 03:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Drusus Rensus I remember when Insurgency was formed I thought "well, this is logical, you've got an imperial power, an insurgency is a logical response". But Insurgency doesn't seem to be behaving like an insurgency. I would expect an insurgency to be using principals and tactics of asymetrical warfare. In other words, they run, hide, engage in sedition and stirring up unrest and animosity toward the imperial power, blend in with the population, hit "soft targets" that are lightly defended, and vanish when the imperial power moves to respond. What I don't get is all this smack-talk about Fountain. An insurgency wouldn't stay and fight an imperial power head-on, anywhere. That would be dumb, and not an insurgency. If insurgency is an insurgency, I would expect them to move out of fountain when BoB moves to respond to them there, and hit BoB somewhere else, or lots of somewhere elses. Is Insurgency not an insurgency? I'm confuzzled. Drusus Boys, get out your tinfoil and set destination to Nol-m9. ^_^ _______________________________________________ Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve. "The end and the beginning."
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 05:10:00 - [27] Edited by: Kyguard on 14/01/2007 05:07:16 Originally by: Zhaine Stick with that and don't go making noobs or yourself in front of the community by talking out of your rear ends Huh -
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:45:00 - [28] Originally by: darth solo Aha some truth. If you'd said this throughout you wouldn't get all the smack you're getting now, or look like such fools on the forums. the forums are here for some fun for the lads, if i thought that they made us look bad we would have rules about posting on them, we dont. as for fountain im tired of saying the same old thing, we never offered them a safe area, we offered them a chance in whats known to be one of the best regions in eve. a chance, thats it. they stick to our basic rules then they can really do pretty much what they want. now im getting smackers saying "LOL celes apoc u cant defend the locals against 3 alliances and merc corps, u guys suck". but thats the way the game is i guess. Fountain was a complete success, we set out goals and completed all of them. celes apoc will be defetaed by us, it will NEVER be defeated by the fools that "try" and fight us and will deffo not be defeated by the forum guys who do stupid talk.. yes we lost 30 members, but u think we started with 100 members?, we were 2 for a while. either way its all good. respect to coreli btw, i dont put them into that comment, they seem to be usefull pvpers and good guys. d solo. Cool post. As far as I'm concerned then CELES are decent enough guys and you got a bit carried away with the whole fountain thing and your forum posts about it. Perhaps you made some rash posts and perhaps your words got twisted. I would say both. . . Six of one half a dozen of the other really. I was in V when you came to GW and was disappointed by the adoption of "bore them with no fights and they leave" tactics by us (not that it didn't work). I woulda liked to get some more nice Pew Pew against you guys in Fountain, especially as our (Coreli's) stats Vs CELES specifically leave something to be desired (although our Fountain stats in general are nice enough :p), but I guess that's just the way it goes. Ultimely I can't question or criticize what CELES do in game. You're solid PvPers who don't seem to use questionable tactics and don't bother with the drudgery of POS warefare. I haven't had great respect for your forum posts recently but opinions are opinions and we should all probably play the game and not the forums :) See ya in space o/ - - - - - - - - - - World's best insult: Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr You thundering retard. Coreli: Our boosters make you happy. . .
Percival Diddly Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:51:00 - [29] Originally by: CamMan Originally by: Drusus Rensus I remember when Insurgency was formed I thought "well, this is logical, you've got an imperial power, an insurgency is a logical response". But Insurgency doesn't seem to be behaving like an insurgency. I would expect an insurgency to be using principals and tactics of asymetrical warfare. In other words, they run, hide, engage in sedition and stirring up unrest and animosity toward the imperial power, blend in with the population, hit "soft targets" that are lightly defended, and vanish when the imperial power moves to respond. What I don't get is all this smack-talk about Fountain. An insurgency wouldn't stay and fight an imperial power head-on, anywhere. That would be dumb, and not an insurgency. If insurgency is an insurgency, I would expect them to move out of fountain when BoB moves to respond to them there, and hit BoB somewhere else, or lots of somewhere elses. Is Insurgency not an insurgency? I'm confuzzled. Drusus And you call yourself Myriad alliance, yet your numbers appear to be no where near the cardinal number, and your alliance hardly has innumerable members. So really Myriad alliance isnt a Myriad alliance at all. Now that is hypocritical! Cheers CamMan actually the name for Myriad was chosen by me for the following reasons and meanings: myr+i+ad (mĭr'ē-əd) Pronunciation Key adj. Composed of numerous diverse elements or facets: it was about bringing together diffrent walks of life in eve into a well structured single unit. although it is generally used to describe lots of things doing one task etc it's not why i chose it apart from that i like saying Myriad :D so yes it is a myriad alliance as it's made of numerous diverse elements. _____________________________________________
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.14 13:45:00 - [30] Thanks for being sensible Zhaine. People need to understand that Celes is all about enjoying the game through pvp and personally I don't think we have ever professed to believe anything other than that. On the issue of how we have represented what has been happening in Fountain, I don't think we have been misleading. I have seen what has been happening so I know. What other people think is happening is irrelevant, it dosen't change the reality of the situation. Belief is not a requirement of truth. In fact, we are too nice, there are things we know about a certain enemy alliance that would make a lot of people go Everyone needs to chill out, it's just a game, celes aren't trying to eat your babies and steal your pants (ok maybe lodhi). Some people however are apparantly too rabid to just stop ranting and engage thier brains. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.

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