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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2015.12.10 22:15:56 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:What're you talking about, guy? Gallente have never been known as a FW mission faction before -or even after this change. The bombers have always been around since FW missions came into existence for every faction BUT Gallente. I bet the percentage of those that do them currently are less than 5%. A generous estimate too, I'd say. This change has evened this out, imo. So. Have fun spinning buttons!
I never said the Gallente were running FW missions with Stealth bombers - but they've been at Tier 4 or 5 for an extended period while getting obscene payouts for FW missions.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2015.12.11 00:10:40 -
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baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:When they changed reprocessing mechanics. That hit everyone everywhere aside from wormholes.
Really? It hit incursion runners and FW mission runners? Nope. The changes overall buffed mining also. Since the point OP was trying to make was that HS mission runners are getting something special and FW mission runners are getting screwed, i was pointing out the fallacy.
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Jason Udan Ender
Azathoth The Darkness
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Posted - 2015.12.11 12:18:46 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:When they changed reprocessing mechanics. That hit everyone everywhere aside from wormholes. Really? It hit incursion runners and FW mission runners? Nope. The changes overall buffed mining also. Since the point OP was trying to make was that HS mission runners are getting something special and FW mission runners are getting screwed, i was pointing out the fallacy.
According to the forum you can make 250mil/h+ in level 4 high sec that is about the same i make in fw missions when tier 4, on my alt in incursions i make about 150m an hour. So makeing the amount of isk with Fw should not have been a problem but people are saying it is.
Now apparently I have to have good ship for for pve that can pvp. It has been tried by meany people and failed.
oh and you say you need more skill points to fly a bomber in amarr no you dont, a few implants speed low-slot and problem solved.
If Lp and isk makeing was a problem they should have reduced the lp payout for level 4s by 15% I think that would have been the most logical idea. Now it Screwed up game play for a lot of players who liked flying the unique way fw missions could be flown. |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2015.12.11 12:24:04 -
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Jason Udan Ender wrote:According to the forum you can make 250mil/h+ in level 4 high sec that is about the same i make in fw missions when tier 4, on my alt in incursions i make about 150m an hour. So makeing the amount of isk with Fw should not have been a problem but people are saying it is.
The difference being you only had to invest 50m ISK in FW compared to 5-billion ISK for that high-sec setup.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
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Posted - 2015.12.11 12:37:28 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:When they changed reprocessing mechanics. That hit everyone everywhere aside from wormholes. Really? It hit incursion runners and FW mission runners? Nope. The changes overall buffed mining also. Since the point OP was trying to make was that HS mission runners are getting something special and FW mission runners are getting screwed, i was pointing out the fallacy.
how are you getting screwed? because you cant use a bomber anymore and have to invest in a more suitable ship which may require some sort of defence to be used in hostile space?
lvl 4's highsec - battleship / t3
lvl 4's lowsec - battleship / t3
lvl 4's nullsec - battleship / t3
lvl 4's fw - stealth bomber
doesnt look right does it...
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Jason Udan Ender
Azathoth The Darkness
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:00:35 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
how are you getting screwed?
unique way fw missions could be flown
Normal level 4 missions do not have a beacon on the overview to warp to you have to be probed out, there fore that risk should be removed or is worth using a 50m ship for |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:07:19 -
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fw missions also dont have bubbles on gates like they do in nullsec so whats your point? i was under the impression that the payout warrants the risk involved, no?
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Jason Udan Ender
Azathoth The Darkness
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:20:22 -
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Lan Wang wrote:fw missions also dont have bubbles on gates like they do in nullsec so whats your point? i was under the impression that the payout warrants the risk involved, no?
Have you ever done fw before because I have no idea what you are trying to find out. Null sec Does have something called Warp Disruption Fields. Fw level 4 payout very's extremely great. But form what I can tell this post isnt about how to FW this post is about "there was no good reason for the Fw mission nerf" |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:24:31 -
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Wow, here comes people with a defense of stealth bomber isk printing in what are supposed to be lvl 4 missions...
...This thread is officially a "Malcanis Moment" (because of the quote he stole form Upton Sinclair ,that I then stole from both of them lol):
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:26:19 -
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im trying to find out why you seem so entitled to use a 50mil ship for lvl 4's when everyone else has to use battleships and above regardless of the space.
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Jason Udan Ender
Azathoth The Darkness
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:38:50 -
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Lan Wang wrote:im trying to find out why you seem so entitled to use a 50mil firgate for lvl 4's when everyone else has to use battleships and above regardless of the space.
so i take it you never played fw before
......ok try to read all of this
in fw there are tiers the higher the tier the more lp you make you get higher tiers by donating Millions of lp to ihubs
Fw missions show up in space a beacons any one can warp to it ANY ONE.
Fw missions are totally different than normal missions, "there is no Angle extravaganza" They also high damage dps some of them get up to 1000 dps
FW missions are not right next door to the agent they are average 20 jumps away farthist away i've got was 37
Stations to get fw agents missions you get locked out of so it is posable to only be able to talk to 2 mission agents
I hope that helps you understand fw missioning a little better |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:42:33 -
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Lan Wang wrote:im trying to find out why you seem so entitled to use a 50mil firgate for lvl 4's when everyone else has to use battleships and above regardless of the space.
50 mil frigate sized ships to make MORE than a battleship does in pirate level 4s in npc nullsec btw.
Self interest is so blinding, people can't see the truth, can't admit that they were on a gravy train and gravy trains end.
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BerSerKer 13
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:51:27 -
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People have different play styles, that make different amount of isk, one play style should not be removed completely like it has been. I had a blast when we were in fw. I see no problems with keeping it as was but reducing the amount of lp made in level 4s. |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:09:03 -
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Stealth bombers are now back to being utilized for... well, bombing.
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:12:13 -
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BerSerKer 13 wrote:People have different play styles, that make different amount of isk, one play style should not be removed completely like it has been. I had a blast when we were in fw. I see no problems with keeping it as was but reducing the amount of lp made in level 4s.
It's not so much a play style than it is an exploit. Stealth bombers were almost untouchable running Lv4 FW missions. If an opposing player showed up it was easy to almost instantly warp-out cloaked.
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Oreb Wing
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:13:38 -
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Jason Udan Ender wrote:Lan Wang wrote:im trying to find out why you seem so entitled to use a 50mil firgate for lvl 4's when everyone else has to use battleships and above regardless of the space. so i take it you never played fw before ......ok try to read all of this in fw there are tiers the higher the tier the more lp you make you get higher tiers by donating Millions of lp to ihubs Fw missions show up in space a beacons any one can warp to it ANY ONE. Fw missions are totally different than normal missions, "there is no Angle extravaganza" They also high damage dps some of them get up to 1000 dps FW missions are not right next door to the agent they are average 20 jumps away farthist away i've got was 37 Stations to get fw agents missions you get locked out of so it is posable to only be able to talk to 2 mission agents I hope that helps you understand fw missioning a little better
In a normal security mission, you only get one at a time, unless there are multiple agents nearby of the same class (super rare).
You can neglect to complete a FW and suffer no standing penalty, where as you take hits for any mission you are blue balled from completing: If someone tries to blue ball your FW mission, you shrug and move on to the next mission, with the opportunity to got out on the way back to collect some more.
Limited number of agents! lol. That is your own fault if you allow your FW agent systems to fall. A clear sign you are more interested in gains than in the work it takes to keep it.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:13:51 -
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Jason Udan Ender wrote:Lan Wang wrote:im trying to find out why you seem so entitled to use a 50mil firgate for lvl 4's when everyone else has to use battleships and above regardless of the space. so i take it you never played fw before ......ok try to read all of this in fw there are tiers the higher the tier the more lp you make you get higher tiers by donating Millions of lp to ihubs Fw missions show up in space a beacons any one can warp to it ANY ONE. Fw missions are totally different than normal missions, "there is no Angle extravaganza" They also high damage dps some of them get up to 1000 dps FW missions are not right next door to the agent they are average 20 jumps away farthist away i've got was 37 Stations to get fw agents missions you get locked out of so it is posable to only be able to talk to 2 mission agents I hope that helps you understand fw missioning a little better
i know how faction warfare works and ive seen the guides that pirate corps send out to new members so you can get your alt making isk asap for blingy machariels :)
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Right, ccp i know some npc's are supposed to be powerfull, but getting jammed by gate rats 9015km away from the station is actually a bit to **** muc
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.11 15:27:00 -
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Geez, it's not like a cloak+MWD can't get you around in lowsec. Oh wait, it can. |
BerSerKer 13
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.12.11 15:27:20 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It's not so much a play style than it is an exploit. Stealth bombers were almost untouchable running Lv4 FW missions. If an opposing player showed up it was easy to almost instantly warp-out cloaked.
your idea of exploit is different form mine. If i go by your idea when i was blitzing level 4s in high sec with the goal in mind to kill the main target as fast and efficiently as I could was an exploit.
I think the changes were pointless and the posts that support that idea are quite valid, if any thing if the lp amount and isk was a problem then the lp amount should have been changed not make people change how they liked to play in the sandbox mmo, but only a few people are speaking up about it, and it seems like a lot of people that support the current way are not in or played fw.
Now get the feeling that this in this thread is like trying to wrestle a pig but after some time you realize the pig like's it and your covered in mud so I'm done I may compress some ideas and get with Val to see if any other ideas and a better way to push it. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
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Posted - 2015.12.11 15:31:30 -
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BerSerKer 13 wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It's not so much a play style than it is an exploit. Stealth bombers were almost untouchable running Lv4 FW missions. If an opposing player showed up it was easy to almost instantly warp-out cloaked.
your idea of exploit is different form mine. If i go by your idea when i was blitzing level 4s in high sec with the goal in mind to kill the main target as fast and efficiently as I could was an exploit. I think the changes were pointless and the posts that support that idea are quite valid, if any thing if the lp amount and isk was a problem then the lp amount should have been changed not make people change how they liked to play in the sandbox mmo, but only a few people are speaking up about it, and it seems like a lot of people that support the current way are not in or played fw. Now get the feeling that this in this thread is like trying to wrestle a pig but after some time you realize the pig like's it and your covered in mud so I'm done I may compress some ideas and get with Val to see if any other ideas and a better way to push it.
Im assuming you have an alt in faction warfare?
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Oreb Wing
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2015.12.11 16:43:31 -
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This topic was heavily debated in the Warfare and Tactics forum. There is even a sticky by Sugar Kyle that is many pages long about debate on what exactly is affecting FW the most. It was missions by SB's. Now, can someone tell me what tier Min and Amarr are at atm? Case closed.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.11 16:57:18 -
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BerSerKer 13 wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It's not so much a play style than it is an exploit. Stealth bombers were almost untouchable running Lv4 FW missions. If an opposing player showed up it was easy to almost instantly warp-out cloaked.
your idea of exploit is different form mine. If i go by your idea when i was blitzing level 4s in high sec with the goal in mind to kill the main target as fast and efficiently as I could was an exploit. I think the changes were pointless and the posts that support that idea are quite valid, if any thing if the lp amount and isk was a problem then the lp amount should have been changed not make people change how they liked to play in the sandbox mmo, but only a few people are speaking up about it, and it seems like a lot of people that support the current way are not in or played fw. Now get the feeling that this in this thread is like trying to wrestle a pig but after some time you realize the pig like's it and your covered in mud so I'm done I may compress some ideas and get with Val to see if any other ideas and a better way to push it.
Replace a few workds in that and you have the exact same argument against nerfing tech moons and tracking titans. At the end of the day this was a very very unbalanced mechanic and CCP seems to have fixed it with a rather simple fix. You can still do the content, you just have to use something a bit more expensive than a 50 mil cov ops frigate.
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