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Valentine al-Askari
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Posted - 2015.12.09 06:56:21 -
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In mission running in Fw not only are you hunted by every one in low sec now Webbed out to 40km+ in all factions but Amarr? Have tank 700+ dsp in Level 4s often one shoted. You cant run it in bombers now, you cant run it in cruisers, You have to go in a fully pve fit T3 or Bc to live, now gate camps are a massive worry you wont beable to pvp frigs cuse you pve fit. Why not Just remove all missions for Fw
I do not think any one thought of the long term effect it is going to have |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.12.09 07:06:19 -
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personally I'm a fan of cheap stuff so don't really mind things like bombers soloing lv4 fw missions for massive LP. however that doesn't really sound like something that is good for overall game balance.
Now I'm tempted to jump on sisi and try and do FW missions just to see how they go as I've never actually done them.
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Valentine al-Askari
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Posted - 2015.12.09 09:28:54 -
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on that note you can say blitzing missions level 4s in high sec with no risk isnt good for the overall game. in fw mission you has massive risk a frig could kill you or a recon ship that you can't use dscan to detect will kill and once you warp out of the mission site odds are you wont be-able to complete it, mess up you speed in the mission your dead. run missions in normal usa timezone you will have people hunting you in interceptors recon ships and have to get out of gate camps
it's classic one person complanes really loudly about how something should change and it gets nuked it form orbit and misses the target |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
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Posted - 2015.12.09 09:39:11 -
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no you should not be able to make the most amount of isk in the game using a bomber while every other lvl 4 requires battleships and t3's, if you are running fw missions then im sure you can afford a t3 :)
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Colt Blackhawk
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Posted - 2015.12.09 10:09:49 -
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Valentine al-Askari wrote:In mission running in Fw not only are you hunted by every one in low sec now Webbed out to 40km+ in all factions but Amarr? Have tank 700+ dsp in Level 4s often one shoted. You cant run it in bombers now, you cant run it in cruisers, You have to go in a fully pve fit T3 or Bc to live, now gate camps are a massive worry you wont beable to pvp frigs cuse you pve fit. Why not Just remove all missions for Fw
I do not think any one thought of the long term effect it is going to have
Oh these tears 
Delicious 
Honestly fw income was crazy and is still crazy. Every 0.0 ratter can be jealous.
I have my own bomber alts for minmatar, caldari, amarr,
First time for years it is balanced.
Minmatar missions were far too easy, caldari were also too easy.
Amarr missions were always hard as **** because you always have to risk that you can get alphad straight away.
Plus you need a lot better skilled toon for amarr missions than for cal or matar.
Stop whining. You are funny 
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.12.09 12:04:04 -
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It is a good change.
Even if this will directly impact me in a negative way.
People where making 700+mil /h in a bomber without worrying about any thing.
If they lose a bomber this was like 50mil lose, so totally unimportant.
FW missions was all around avoiding PVP , when FW is about creating PVP.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.12.09 13:14:29 -
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"Your T2 FW Mission Balancing Hits Valentine al-Askari, Wrecking for Untold Tears"
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.12.09 13:30:27 -
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This is what happens when people get used to a thing that's way to lucrative to be balanced, a bunch of rationalizing about how "but it was good and balanced and then ONE PERSON complained and it got nerfed!". It happened with high sec lvl 5s and it's happening now with FW missions.
What should happen is that people form small pvp fit + logi "mission farming small gangs" to attack these missions. FW missions are supposed to elicit pvp responses, that's why they produce a beacon visible to everyone in the system (CCP wants people to attack you and for you to be able to attack people who are PVEing in your space, it's why FW missions always take you into or near enemy controlled space).
And that's why they pay out so much LP, because they are supposed to be balanced by potential ship loss. But when the ship loss was nothing more than a 50 mil Bomber, the balance got out of whack. Even when the LP market was flooded AND your faction is at a low tier you could make 2-3oo mil per hour (ie 4- 6 stealth bombers worth of wealth).
I only had time to dabble in a couple missions yesterday, but yea, my caracal got shredded and I didn't even dare going back and getting one of my purifiers. This is a good change, it was too easy before. And some people will adapt. Many will not and whine or find some other broken pve to make isk from.
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Valentine al-Askari
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Posted - 2015.12.09 14:49:58 -
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whats gona happen is people will just stop fw altogether a few may stay but most wont, there are around 16,000 people in fw give or take around 100-150 online in all fractions in a few months it will drop to 10,000 or so and be around 75-100, then fw low sec will die out for pvp for pirates.
will they adapted some maybe, but there are now better ways to make isk than risk a t3 ship and get in a goup that have to deal with people who troll like the ones on this post no not worth it. caldari and minmitar will proble never get in high tier again.
what should have been done is you got racail ewar and give what ever your fighting that a bouns like minmitar has tp amarr has nutes gall dams and cald jams would make more cents. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
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Posted - 2015.12.09 14:51:42 -
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I hear Thelan has some great lvl 5's for you to do :)
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.12.09 14:53:31 -
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Valentine al-Askari wrote:
but there are now better ways to make isk than risk a t3 ship and get in a goup that have to deal with people who troll like the ones on this post no not worth it.
Bit rich you calling voices of sanity 'trolls' when your thread and your spelling have the unmistakable whiff of the bridge.
cents
fractions
I rest my case.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
915
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Posted - 2015.12.09 14:58:54 -
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Valentine al-Askari wrote:
whats gona happen is people will just stop fw altogether a few may stay but most wont, there are around 16,000 people in fw give or take around 100-150 online in all fractions in a few months it will drop to 10,000 or so and be around 75-100, then fw low sec will die out for pvp for pirates.
will they adapted some maybe, but there are now better ways to make isk than risk a t3 ship and get in a goup that have to deal with people who troll like the ones on this post no not worth it. caldari and minmitar will proble never get in high tier again.
what should have been done is you got racail ewar and give what ever your fighting that a bouns like minmitar has tp amarr has nutes gall dams and cald jams would make more cents.
Points and laughs. Ha! You obviously never ran FW missions for Gallente. Now the FW missions between all factions are balanced. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:25:34 -
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Valentine al-Askari wrote:
whats gona happen is people will just stop fw altogether
That's possible for many, as many folks have FW alts not for being a part of FW, but simply for the unbalanced wealth generation (same as incursion alts). When CCP balanced Incursions the 1st time whole incursion communities died. Some people can't bother to PVE unless the PVE is so unbalanced it's crazy profitable. I call them "fair weather PVErs" and i don't care if they stop doing something, they are nothing more than the parasites of the PVE community.
PVE should be balanced around it's purpose (supplying the game with things like items, isk, and other forms of content) as well as around people who actually enjoy PVE. It should not be balanced around people who just want to make quick game-wealth and "damn the consequences to the game" types. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
915
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:34:45 -
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Actually, most people get their LP from running FW plexes in a stabbed frigate. |
Daku Otsito
Raptor Navy
Whatever.
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:53:02 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Actually, most people get their LP from running FW plexes in a stabbed frigate.
True but this will soon change too, i present to you the BANE of those farmers
[Maulus Navy Issue, reaper]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Hobgoblin II x5
-4 warp scramble strength MUHAHAHA
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1227
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Posted - 2015.12.09 16:38:05 -
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Valentine al-Askari wrote:
whats gona happen is people will just stop fw altogether a few may stay but most wont,
LOL for implying that mission farmers are actually doing FW.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1272
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Posted - 2015.12.09 17:53:38 -
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They nerfed the ******* **** out of level 4 missions in hisec bro. The reward is significantly reduced.
The risk in any covert ops ship is the same, so they didnt raise the risk of it, you just don't want to ante up.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
2163
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Posted - 2015.12.09 18:22:25 -
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Valentine al-Askari wrote:on that note you can say blitzing missions level 4s in high sec with no risk isnt good for the overall game. in fw mission you has massive risk a frig could kill you or a recon ship that you can't use dscan to detect will kill and once you warp out of the mission site odds are you wont be-able to complete it, mess up you speed in the mission your dead. run missions in normal usa timezone you will have people hunting you in interceptors recon ships and have to get out of gate camps
it's classic one person complanes really loudly about how something should change and it gets nuked it form orbit and misses the target
I have argued that. And I kinda doubt one person is responsible for the nerf to bomber blitzing. Balance has a way of finding you.
Daku Otsito wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Actually, most people get their LP from running FW plexes in a stabbed frigate. True but this will soon change too, i present to you the BANE of those farmers [Maulus Navy Issue, reaper] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Small Transverse Bulkhead II Small Transverse Bulkhead II Small Transverse Bulkhead II Hobgoblin II x5 -4 warp scramble strength MUHAHAHA
good think the new punisher has 5 lows yay stabs! Also I'd probably go warp speed rigs if the main goal is to catch stabbed plex farmers. I kinda imagine that being a bit too slow and they will see you coming between short range dscan and large grids. maybe even go with 2 scrams.
Cipher Jones wrote:They nerfed the ******* **** out of level 4 missions in hisec bro. The reward is significantly reduced.
The risk in any covert ops ship is the same, so they didnt raise the risk of it, you just don't want to ante up.
uhh when?
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
915
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Posted - 2015.12.09 19:13:55 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Valentine al-Askari wrote:on that note you can say blitzing missions level 4s in high sec with no risk isnt good for the overall game. in fw mission you has massive risk a frig could kill you or a recon ship that you can't use dscan to detect will kill and once you warp out of the mission site odds are you wont be-able to complete it, mess up you speed in the mission your dead. run missions in normal usa timezone you will have people hunting you in interceptors recon ships and have to get out of gate camps
it's classic one person complanes really loudly about how something should change and it gets nuked it form orbit and misses the target I have argued that. And I kinda doubt one person is responsible for the nerf to bomber blitzing. Balance has a way of finding you. Daku Otsito wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Actually, most people get their LP from running FW plexes in a stabbed frigate. True but this will soon change too, i present to you the BANE of those farmers [Maulus Navy Issue, reaper] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Small Transverse Bulkhead II Small Transverse Bulkhead II Small Transverse Bulkhead II Hobgoblin II x5 -4 warp scramble strength MUHAHAHA good think the new punisher has 5 lows yay stabs! Also I'd probably go warp speed rigs if the main goal is to catch stabbed plex farmers. I kinda imagine that being a bit too slow and they will see you coming between short range dscan and large grids. maybe even go with 2 scrams. Cipher Jones wrote:They nerfed the ******* **** out of level 4 missions in hisec bro. The reward is significantly reduced.
The risk in any covert ops ship is the same, so they didnt raise the risk of it, you just don't want to ante up. uhh when?
Farmers normally are doing it AFK. Alarm goes off when they start taking damage, so they switch to the other screen and warp off. Relying on the person shooting them only having one warp scram.
They have to be within 30km of the timer, so the grid increase means squat.
The Navy Maulus also has a buff to warp scram range.
To nullify the -4 warp modifier the Maulus has with only one warp scram, means the target will need at least 3 warp stabs. If the Navy Maulus pilot fits 2 scrams, then the farmer ain't going nowhere. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.09 21:03:38 -
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Valentine al-Askari wrote:it's classic one person complanes really loudly about how something should change and it gets nuked it form orbit and misses the target
No it's more like a classic "everyone was doing this to a ridiculous degree after telling CCP years ago that they were going to abuse the hell out of this so they finally made the needed change to fix something that never should have been so abusable in the first place".
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13128
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Posted - 2015.12.09 22:03:27 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Valentine al-Askari wrote:it's classic one person complanes really loudly about how something should change and it gets nuked it form orbit and misses the target No it's more like a classic "everyone was doing this to a ridiculous degree after telling CCP years ago that they were going to abuse the hell out of this so they finally made the needed change to fix something that never should have been so abusable in the first place".
Like I said, High Sec lvl 5 missions all over again. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4815
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Posted - 2015.12.10 02:02:26 -
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I honestly don't have a problem with this. I made over 200m in about an hour with a stealth bomber through Caldari FW at only T2. Players were literally printing money running FW missions for the Gallente...
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2015.12.10 04:57:39 -
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When they changed reprocessing mechanics.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
17050
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Posted - 2015.12.10 10:42:20 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:When they changed reprocessing mechanics.
That hit everyone everywhere aside from wormholes.
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Oreb Wing
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:10:30 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I honestly don't have a problem with this. I made over 200m in about an hour with a stealth bomber through Caldari FW at only T2. Players were literally printing money running FW missions for the Gallente...
What're you talking about, guy? Gallente have never been known as a FW mission faction before -or even after this change. The bombers have always been around since FW missions came into existence for every faction BUT Gallente. I bet the percentage of those that do them currently are less than 5%. A generous estimate too, I'd say. This change has evened this out, imo. So. Have fun spinning buttons!
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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
178
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:07:56 -
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If you are actually thinking about it instead of complaining you will easily figure out ways to make mroe than enough money from FW missions still.
What I really do no understand is why no webbers against amarr? Gallente I get, they are already unfun enough thanks to ecm and good application. But Amarr you can still do with a one or two bomber setup. |
Colt Blackhawk
bad InTentiOnZ
senseless intentions
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:14:22 -
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Shilalasar wrote:If you are actually thinking about it instead of complaining you will easily figure out ways to make mroe than enough money from FW missions still.
What I really do no understand is why no webbers against amarr? Gallente I get, they are already unfun enough thanks to ecm and good application. But Amarr you can still do with a one or two bomber setup.
Oh these minnies 
I will explain you why no webbers against amarr but if you would have ever done amarr, minnie and cal missions you would know the difference.
Amarr was hard mode fw lv4 before. Now it is balanced
Target painters AND minmatar rat alpha HURT A LOT. Plus a lot of tank.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
921
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:22:15 -
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Shilalasar wrote:If you are actually thinking about it instead of complaining you will easily figure out ways to make mroe than enough money from FW missions still.
What I really do no understand is why no webbers against amarr? Gallente I get, they are already unfun enough thanks to ecm and good application. But Amarr you can still do with a one or two bomber setup.
Target Painters yo! Plus Minnie use missiles as well as guns. The whole idea behind using bombers was to speed tank the rats long enough to kill the mission objective. To speed tank effectively you need to be fast and have a low sig radius. |
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
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Posted - 2015.12.10 21:00:55 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Oh these minnies
Yeah, like you couldn-¦t play "who let the dogs out" on repeat last time amarr were T4.
Amarr missions are not as ridiculously easy as the Matar ones (first time I shot a polarized bomber down I was baffled) but if you are implying you can-¦t do them in a bomber in a fast and effective manner you are straight up lying.
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Oreb Wing
Black Fox Marauders
121
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Posted - 2015.12.10 21:24:17 -
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Give it time. The absence of the webbing frig might be an experiment on CCP's side. I'm sure that if Amarr hit perma t4 they will look into it. They have us this change, after all, when when people said they were done touching FW after all the previous patches. This is good stuff. More I'm off! Need to get me some navy Maulus'.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4826
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Posted - 2015.12.10 22:15:56 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:What're you talking about, guy? Gallente have never been known as a FW mission faction before -or even after this change. The bombers have always been around since FW missions came into existence for every faction BUT Gallente. I bet the percentage of those that do them currently are less than 5%. A generous estimate too, I'd say. This change has evened this out, imo. So. Have fun spinning buttons!
I never said the Gallente were running FW missions with Stealth bombers - but they've been at Tier 4 or 5 for an extended period while getting obscene payouts for FW missions.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1272
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Posted - 2015.12.11 00:10:40 -
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baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:When they changed reprocessing mechanics. That hit everyone everywhere aside from wormholes.
Really? It hit incursion runners and FW mission runners? Nope. The changes overall buffed mining also. Since the point OP was trying to make was that HS mission runners are getting something special and FW mission runners are getting screwed, i was pointing out the fallacy.
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Jason Udan Ender
Azathoth The Darkness
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Posted - 2015.12.11 12:18:46 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:When they changed reprocessing mechanics. That hit everyone everywhere aside from wormholes. Really? It hit incursion runners and FW mission runners? Nope. The changes overall buffed mining also. Since the point OP was trying to make was that HS mission runners are getting something special and FW mission runners are getting screwed, i was pointing out the fallacy.
According to the forum you can make 250mil/h+ in level 4 high sec that is about the same i make in fw missions when tier 4, on my alt in incursions i make about 150m an hour. So makeing the amount of isk with Fw should not have been a problem but people are saying it is.
Now apparently I have to have good ship for for pve that can pvp. It has been tried by meany people and failed.
oh and you say you need more skill points to fly a bomber in amarr no you dont, a few implants speed low-slot and problem solved.
If Lp and isk makeing was a problem they should have reduced the lp payout for level 4s by 15% I think that would have been the most logical idea. Now it Screwed up game play for a lot of players who liked flying the unique way fw missions could be flown. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4837
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Posted - 2015.12.11 12:24:04 -
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Jason Udan Ender wrote:According to the forum you can make 250mil/h+ in level 4 high sec that is about the same i make in fw missions when tier 4, on my alt in incursions i make about 150m an hour. So makeing the amount of isk with Fw should not have been a problem but people are saying it is.
The difference being you only had to invest 50m ISK in FW compared to 5-billion ISK for that high-sec setup.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
2083
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Posted - 2015.12.11 12:37:28 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:When they changed reprocessing mechanics. That hit everyone everywhere aside from wormholes. Really? It hit incursion runners and FW mission runners? Nope. The changes overall buffed mining also. Since the point OP was trying to make was that HS mission runners are getting something special and FW mission runners are getting screwed, i was pointing out the fallacy.
how are you getting screwed? because you cant use a bomber anymore and have to invest in a more suitable ship which may require some sort of defence to be used in hostile space?
lvl 4's highsec - battleship / t3
lvl 4's lowsec - battleship / t3
lvl 4's nullsec - battleship / t3
lvl 4's fw - stealth bomber
doesnt look right does it...
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Jason Udan Ender
Azathoth The Darkness
2
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:00:35 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
how are you getting screwed?
unique way fw missions could be flown
Normal level 4 missions do not have a beacon on the overview to warp to you have to be probed out, there fore that risk should be removed or is worth using a 50m ship for |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
2084
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:07:19 -
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fw missions also dont have bubbles on gates like they do in nullsec so whats your point? i was under the impression that the payout warrants the risk involved, no?
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Jason Udan Ender
Azathoth The Darkness
2
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:20:22 -
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Lan Wang wrote:fw missions also dont have bubbles on gates like they do in nullsec so whats your point? i was under the impression that the payout warrants the risk involved, no?
Have you ever done fw before because I have no idea what you are trying to find out. Null sec Does have something called Warp Disruption Fields. Fw level 4 payout very's extremely great. But form what I can tell this post isnt about how to FW this post is about "there was no good reason for the Fw mission nerf" |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:24:31 -
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Wow, here comes people with a defense of stealth bomber isk printing in what are supposed to be lvl 4 missions...
...This thread is officially a "Malcanis Moment" (because of the quote he stole form Upton Sinclair ,that I then stole from both of them lol):
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
2085
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:26:19 -
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im trying to find out why you seem so entitled to use a 50mil ship for lvl 4's when everyone else has to use battleships and above regardless of the space.
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Jason Udan Ender
Azathoth The Darkness
3
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:38:50 -
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Lan Wang wrote:im trying to find out why you seem so entitled to use a 50mil firgate for lvl 4's when everyone else has to use battleships and above regardless of the space.
so i take it you never played fw before
......ok try to read all of this
in fw there are tiers the higher the tier the more lp you make you get higher tiers by donating Millions of lp to ihubs
Fw missions show up in space a beacons any one can warp to it ANY ONE.
Fw missions are totally different than normal missions, "there is no Angle extravaganza" They also high damage dps some of them get up to 1000 dps
FW missions are not right next door to the agent they are average 20 jumps away farthist away i've got was 37
Stations to get fw agents missions you get locked out of so it is posable to only be able to talk to 2 mission agents
I hope that helps you understand fw missioning a little better |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:42:33 -
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Lan Wang wrote:im trying to find out why you seem so entitled to use a 50mil firgate for lvl 4's when everyone else has to use battleships and above regardless of the space.
50 mil frigate sized ships to make MORE than a battleship does in pirate level 4s in npc nullsec btw.
Self interest is so blinding, people can't see the truth, can't admit that they were on a gravy train and gravy trains end.
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BerSerKer 13
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:51:27 -
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People have different play styles, that make different amount of isk, one play style should not be removed completely like it has been. I had a blast when we were in fw. I see no problems with keeping it as was but reducing the amount of lp made in level 4s. |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:09:03 -
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Stealth bombers are now back to being utilized for... well, bombing.
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:12:13 -
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BerSerKer 13 wrote:People have different play styles, that make different amount of isk, one play style should not be removed completely like it has been. I had a blast when we were in fw. I see no problems with keeping it as was but reducing the amount of lp made in level 4s.
It's not so much a play style than it is an exploit. Stealth bombers were almost untouchable running Lv4 FW missions. If an opposing player showed up it was easy to almost instantly warp-out cloaked.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Oreb Wing
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:13:38 -
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Jason Udan Ender wrote:Lan Wang wrote:im trying to find out why you seem so entitled to use a 50mil firgate for lvl 4's when everyone else has to use battleships and above regardless of the space. so i take it you never played fw before ......ok try to read all of this in fw there are tiers the higher the tier the more lp you make you get higher tiers by donating Millions of lp to ihubs Fw missions show up in space a beacons any one can warp to it ANY ONE. Fw missions are totally different than normal missions, "there is no Angle extravaganza" They also high damage dps some of them get up to 1000 dps FW missions are not right next door to the agent they are average 20 jumps away farthist away i've got was 37 Stations to get fw agents missions you get locked out of so it is posable to only be able to talk to 2 mission agents I hope that helps you understand fw missioning a little better
In a normal security mission, you only get one at a time, unless there are multiple agents nearby of the same class (super rare).
You can neglect to complete a FW and suffer no standing penalty, where as you take hits for any mission you are blue balled from completing: If someone tries to blue ball your FW mission, you shrug and move on to the next mission, with the opportunity to got out on the way back to collect some more.
Limited number of agents! lol. That is your own fault if you allow your FW agent systems to fall. A clear sign you are more interested in gains than in the work it takes to keep it.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:13:51 -
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Jason Udan Ender wrote:Lan Wang wrote:im trying to find out why you seem so entitled to use a 50mil firgate for lvl 4's when everyone else has to use battleships and above regardless of the space. so i take it you never played fw before ......ok try to read all of this in fw there are tiers the higher the tier the more lp you make you get higher tiers by donating Millions of lp to ihubs Fw missions show up in space a beacons any one can warp to it ANY ONE. Fw missions are totally different than normal missions, "there is no Angle extravaganza" They also high damage dps some of them get up to 1000 dps FW missions are not right next door to the agent they are average 20 jumps away farthist away i've got was 37 Stations to get fw agents missions you get locked out of so it is posable to only be able to talk to 2 mission agents I hope that helps you understand fw missioning a little better
i know how faction warfare works and ive seen the guides that pirate corps send out to new members so you can get your alt making isk asap for blingy machariels :)
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Right, ccp i know some npc's are supposed to be powerfull, but getting jammed by gate rats 9015km away from the station is actually a bit to **** muc
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.11 15:27:00 -
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Geez, it's not like a cloak+MWD can't get you around in lowsec. Oh wait, it can. |
BerSerKer 13
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Posted - 2015.12.11 15:27:20 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It's not so much a play style than it is an exploit. Stealth bombers were almost untouchable running Lv4 FW missions. If an opposing player showed up it was easy to almost instantly warp-out cloaked.
your idea of exploit is different form mine. If i go by your idea when i was blitzing level 4s in high sec with the goal in mind to kill the main target as fast and efficiently as I could was an exploit.
I think the changes were pointless and the posts that support that idea are quite valid, if any thing if the lp amount and isk was a problem then the lp amount should have been changed not make people change how they liked to play in the sandbox mmo, but only a few people are speaking up about it, and it seems like a lot of people that support the current way are not in or played fw.
Now get the feeling that this in this thread is like trying to wrestle a pig but after some time you realize the pig like's it and your covered in mud so I'm done I may compress some ideas and get with Val to see if any other ideas and a better way to push it. |
Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.12.11 15:31:30 -
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BerSerKer 13 wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It's not so much a play style than it is an exploit. Stealth bombers were almost untouchable running Lv4 FW missions. If an opposing player showed up it was easy to almost instantly warp-out cloaked.
your idea of exploit is different form mine. If i go by your idea when i was blitzing level 4s in high sec with the goal in mind to kill the main target as fast and efficiently as I could was an exploit. I think the changes were pointless and the posts that support that idea are quite valid, if any thing if the lp amount and isk was a problem then the lp amount should have been changed not make people change how they liked to play in the sandbox mmo, but only a few people are speaking up about it, and it seems like a lot of people that support the current way are not in or played fw. Now get the feeling that this in this thread is like trying to wrestle a pig but after some time you realize the pig like's it and your covered in mud so I'm done I may compress some ideas and get with Val to see if any other ideas and a better way to push it.
Im assuming you have an alt in faction warfare?
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Oreb Wing
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Posted - 2015.12.11 16:43:31 -
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This topic was heavily debated in the Warfare and Tactics forum. There is even a sticky by Sugar Kyle that is many pages long about debate on what exactly is affecting FW the most. It was missions by SB's. Now, can someone tell me what tier Min and Amarr are at atm? Case closed.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.11 16:57:18 -
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BerSerKer 13 wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It's not so much a play style than it is an exploit. Stealth bombers were almost untouchable running Lv4 FW missions. If an opposing player showed up it was easy to almost instantly warp-out cloaked.
your idea of exploit is different form mine. If i go by your idea when i was blitzing level 4s in high sec with the goal in mind to kill the main target as fast and efficiently as I could was an exploit. I think the changes were pointless and the posts that support that idea are quite valid, if any thing if the lp amount and isk was a problem then the lp amount should have been changed not make people change how they liked to play in the sandbox mmo, but only a few people are speaking up about it, and it seems like a lot of people that support the current way are not in or played fw. Now get the feeling that this in this thread is like trying to wrestle a pig but after some time you realize the pig like's it and your covered in mud so I'm done I may compress some ideas and get with Val to see if any other ideas and a better way to push it.
Replace a few workds in that and you have the exact same argument against nerfing tech moons and tracking titans. At the end of the day this was a very very unbalanced mechanic and CCP seems to have fixed it with a rather simple fix. You can still do the content, you just have to use something a bit more expensive than a 50 mil cov ops frigate.
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