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Captain Tardbar Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1126	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:20:07 - [1] - Quote This thread is not about declining numbers or if EVE should go free to play, but rather if it did, how would it work? My suggestion, would be similar to ESO's model where there is still a subscription you can purchase but not mandatory. First things first... Free players would not be able to play more than one client at a time based on IP address similar to the way trial accounts would now. There would also be a feature that if you log in on a free account that it stops training on other accounts that share that IP. Free accounts would be allowed to interact with the markets but would be limited such as only having a total of 5 open buy sell orders. Free accounts would also be limited to access to science and manufacturing jobs (aka none) and could not own or operate POS and PI. I might also suggest free player could not start their own corps or alliances (this might be up for debate). Players who pay a $15 month fee or trade enough isk for a plex could get these features which I would not say would be pay to win since having access to these features would still require effort to achieve positive results with. Also sub players can multibox and train multiple characters at a time. In my option on this would be sufficient to keep players paying money to play the game while providing more content (targets) all around. If you have any other ideas on how a F2P system could work, post them. Or if you see flaws or changes to my ideas, let's hear that too. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13008	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:22:43 - [2] - Quote No. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 41441	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:24:13 - [3] - Quote Wrong forum. Aside from that, why F2P? What's the problem that this model will solve? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9618	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:24:31 - [4] - Quote Kindly disembark from the game, and kindly take your thread with you. Thanking you e: as a member of the 1%, I reject the de-monetisation of the game Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Captain Tardbar Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1126	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:24:55 - [5] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: No. Care to elaborate? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion.
Thalos Elongus 30plus Fidelas Constans 23	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:26:20 - [6] - Quote I find the current "F2P" model VERY good. It does not include any Pay-2-win elements, but just plain and simple isk. Other players buy your game time in order for you to play, and you pay them a decent amount of ISK to do so (fair market value of a PLEX) This way the servers are paid for, and you dont drift into the stupid Pay-2-win area. You just need to put a bit of effort in. And also CCP is not "involved" in this. They just provide you a way to securely trade that gametime.
Captain Tardbar Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1126	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:27:38 - [7] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Wrong forum. Aside from that, why F2P? What's the problem that this model will solve? I am not suggesting we go F2P so I did not put in the suggestion forums, but rather asked "If we had to, how would we do it?" So I am not asking anyone's opinion on if, but rather how. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13124	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:28:49 - [8] - Quote My take.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13010	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:30:35 - [9] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: No. Care to elaborate? Not particularly no. This isn't a subject I'll indulge in any way size shape or form. o7 Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 41442	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:33:22 - [10] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: I am not suggesting we go F2P so I did not put in the suggestion forums, but rather asked "If we had to, how would we do it?" So I am not asking anyone's opinion on if, but rather how. F&I is called "Features and Ideas Discussion" and is for the discussion of ideas. It's not called the suggestions forum. However before even how, why is this model needed? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26880	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:39:20 - [11] - Quote There you say "No." ... ... http://imgur.com/rSwCRPJ ... ... but when I quote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Lol Also, I'd like to add my own opinion to this: Lol No. Ask me if I care to elaborate and OH BOY I will ...... I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 23230	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:41:51 - [12] - Quote Obligatory. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Kuetlzelcoatl 12	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:44:08 - [13] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Wrong forum. Aside from that, why F2P? What's the problem that this model will solve? I am not suggesting we go F2P so I did not put in the suggestion forums, but rather asked "If we had to, how would we do it?" So I am not asking anyone's opinion on if, but rather how. I don't think a F2P model will work in this game. Before you jump to the "but I didn't ask if...." thing, that is the point, I don't think it could work due to the nature of this game and the resentment to the Play-To-Win aspect of only those who pay really have a chance. It is really hard to get meaningful feedback on how something should be done before you address the if it should be done. Trying to do this the way you suggest seems so much like getting the "cart before the horse" that is really just looks like a troll-bait post.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6535	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:45:02 - [14] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: My suggestion, would be similar to ESO's model where there is still a subscription you can purchase but not mandatory. The glaring problem with the ESO/SWTOR models is that even though subscribing isn't mandatory, they both make the free to play options so undesirable that you have to subscribe regardless to get an enjoyable play experience. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 9626	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:55:37 - [15] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: There you say "No." ... ... http://imgur.com/rSwCRPJ ... ... but when I quote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Lol Also, I'd like to add my own opinion to this: Lol No. Ask me if I care to elaborate and OH BOY I will ...... Could you elaborate on your statement? I expect no less than one thousand words. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 76	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:56:24 - [16] - Quote This thread has been moved to Features and Ideas. ISD Max Trix Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26882	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:57:09 - [17] - Quote Free2Play as subscription model is all about manipulation and literally MILKING people. It's not about providing a good game, it's about manipulating people into believing that their virtual character equals their actual character. It's basically proof that companies think their customers are idiots. These games aim at the weakest point in their players, which is their self esteem. (we had that one already, right?) What do you get to buy in many games? Gear that makes you better than the rest. Want to skip time and be faster than others? Buy this SpeedUp item to finish this task faster. Want to seperate yourself from the rest? Buy this vanity item for 75$. If you look at it ... all these games make money from poor people who have no self esteem. Victims of modern marketing that does nothing else but constantly telling you that ... ... YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS ... ... UNLESS YOU BUY THIS PRODUCT THAT MAKES YOU ... ... A PART OF IT/BETTER/FEEL LIFE/HAVE FUN/BE SOMEONE. It's always the same thing. Free2Play is for dumb and/or sad people I feel sorry for. EVE ONLINE isn't (yet) made for idiots. PS: Dear ISD, you could as well just have locked it. I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26882	Posted - 2015.12.09 20:57:58 - [18] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Solecist Project wrote: There you say "No." ... ... http://imgur.com/rSwCRPJ ... ... but when I quote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Lol Also, I'd like to add my own opinion to this: Lol No. Ask me if I care to elaborate and OH BOY I will ...... Could you elaborate on your statement? I expect no less than one thousand words. Mr Epeen I'm not sure if you're trying to make fun of me .......... ... and usually that's okay, but at this topic serious business starts. I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 9626	Posted - 2015.12.09 21:03:35 - [19] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: I'm not sure if you're trying to make fun of me .......... Not at all. I enjoy when you are fired up and passionate about a topic. They are some of your best posts. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Zimmer Jones Aliastra Gallente Federation 437	Posted - 2015.12.09 21:07:26 - [20] - Quote I'll just leave this here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=452051 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=452909 Search function, it is your friend. Real friends don't let friends shiptoast. Ed* Well, most of my friends would, just to laugh at me afterwards, and expect me to do the same for/to them. Walk of shame stories make good icebreakers, but not when they're repeated to the same crowd. The cake is not a lie. Unfortunately, the fork is a parallel construction.
Sitting Bull Lakota Ministry of War Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2015.12.09 21:51:45 - [21] - Quote After posting, I was hit by a veritable freight train of abuse potential of this system. All f2p eve stuff really comes back to the question of how many is too many alts, and whether we're okay with people just leaving their characters' skill queues constantly ticking towards higher and higher sp while they never log in.
Abramul Ultimatum. The Bastion 31	Posted - 2015.12.09 23:15:11 - [22] - Quote With severe limitations, this could be fun: 1m SP cap. T1 frigates and related modules only. No cloak. No cyno. No local. No GCC. And ... bring on the swarm! I'm sure it could be abused somewhere, but personally I think the content would be worth it.
Kaska Iskalar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2015.12.10 10:07:05 - [23] - Quote No.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2064	Posted - 2015.12.10 10:26:17 - [24] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: This thread has been moved to Features and Ideas. you must be new here, this should be locked for redundancy Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Mag's the united 20817	Posted - 2015.12.10 20:35:26 - [25] - Quote What's wrong with the current model? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2079	Posted - 2015.12.10 20:47:22 - [26] - Quote Mag's wrote: What's wrong with the current model? he cant afford a subscription, he cant make enough isk mining to buy a plex because grrr code, none of his rl friends want to play because it too expensive, he only has like 3 hours a week to play eve, grrr plex prices and many many more reason that the current model isnt working for him Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Jimy F Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.12.10 21:36:34 - [27] - Quote plees close this topic, i know answer for your question, but i not tell you becouse i wish to do something like this, and if i tell you this not help me, but i can tell you it is possible :)
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2080	Posted - 2015.12.10 21:46:02 - [28] - Quote Jimy F wrote: plees close this topic, i know answer for your question, but i not tell you becouse i wish to do something like this, and if i tell you this not help me, but i can tell you it is possible :) k Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 222	Posted - 2015.12.10 21:48:51 - [29] - Quote League system where you can not only buy recolors for your favorite ships, but make them look moderately different as well. Like a hurricane with spikes all over it or a crystalline vexor/ishtar option. I can has blogging skills!
Alexei Stryker Steiners Erben 93	Posted - 2015.12.11 00:06:52 - [30] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: There would also be a feature that if you log in on a free account that it stops training on other accounts that share that IP. OMG.. What a great idea... Because IPs addresses are static right? For your information... ISPs usually give you a dynamic IPs... means ... Your IP today is not the same as yesterday or even an hour ago... Now imagine how your idea would work out... Ideas: Right click context menu on char -> custom entries Minimize the docking game

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