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Azure Feixing
Arcane Futuristics
Elite Demons Playground
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:03:27 -
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It seems wherever I go I get hate mail. People seem to think that miners and industrialists are lazy, and pathetic? Im sorry but without us EVE would not exist. We turn what eve gives us into the end products that other players need. We CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY?
You know who does not contribute to the economy? Station traders. Even as more miners appear, the prices products continue to rise, partially because the pathetic station traders sit there and jack prices up. To make a buck they take something that was 10,000 ISK and make it 11,000, than 13,000 than 25,000 than 75,000 than 100,000 etc etc, soon prices are crazy because station traders are just trying to make a quick buck.
You know who else does nothing to contribute to the economy? Gankers, and PVP players. The majority of them just plex their accounts to play. Plexing is the WORST thing to happen to the EVE economy. Instead of people having to work to convert what EVE gives us into resources, and eventually ISK, PVP players just show up with 1.2bil ISK that no one had to work for, which drives prices up!
Its just nuts. The amount of low-life scum that just leech off of the economy is crazy, and these scumbags still have the audacity to blame miners for rising prices, or hate on us? |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:07:25 -
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Azure Feixing wrote:You know who else does nothing to contribute to the economy? Gankers I suppose removing half a trillion isk from the economy over the past two years did nothing to remove supply and drive demand up. 
Learn to economy.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3241
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:08:40 -
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Gankers and PVP create the demand for your minerals.
Also PLEXinge is by no means harmful to the economy, as the isk is not generated from nothing.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Azure Feixing
Arcane Futuristics
Elite Demons Playground
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:08:47 -
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To ammend this, PVP players CAN play an important role. But they do not. They also take the easy route of preying on miners and cargo ships. If they actually engaged in PVP, started wars and played the game like it is supposed to be played, than EVE would be much better off. But EVE has just come to nothing but PVP players leeching off the workers of EVE, nothing more, nothing less. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:08:54 -
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Pokes the offering
It stinks of troll bait.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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Kaska Iskalar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:11:38 -
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Azure Feixing wrote:You know who else does nothing to contribute to the economy? Gankers, and PVP players.
As in the people who create demand for your products. You realize stuff in Eve never wears out, right? If not for stuff exploding nobody would ever need to buy anything. It's the circle of life and it moves us all. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:11:38 -
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Azure Feixing wrote:It seems wherever I go I get hate mail. People seem to think that miners and industrialists are lazy, and pathetic? Im sorry but without us EVE would not exist. We turn what eve gives us into the end products that other players need. We CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY?
You know who does not contribute to the economy? Station traders. Even as more miners appear, the prices products continue to rise, partially because the pathetic station traders sit there and jack prices up. To make a buck they take something that was 10,000 ISK and make it 11,000, than 13,000 than 25,000 than 75,000 than 100,000 etc etc, soon prices are crazy because station traders are just trying to make a quick buck.
You know who else does nothing to contribute to the economy? Gankers, and PVP players. The majority of them just plex their accounts to play. Plexing is the WORST thing to happen to the EVE economy. Instead of people having to work to convert what EVE gives us into resources, and eventually ISK, PVP players just show up with 1.2bil ISK that no one had to work for, which drives prices up!
Its just nuts. The amount of low-life scum that just leech off of the economy is crazy, and these scumbags still have the audacity to blame miners for rising prices, or hate on us?
The only hate o see here is yours. That would be a miners perspective then?
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:12:38 -
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Whadaya know, I go to the kill boards and see a silly loss driving this post.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Xavindo Sirober
The Merchant Marine's
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:12:59 -
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Outside the fact that this trollpost is ranting let me remind you though,
Even in our Corp we have people that have jobs and play the game, and yet plex their account, or we even gave them a plex because they just couldn't afford the game. not everyone has good salary.
And also, everyone in this game has atleast mined once, because we all know how it feels like, some love it, most hate it.
And we all know that we need them.
If you are so pissed off about the station traders, become one and undercut them every damn second they post something if you want to actually do something about it. become the messiah of plex.
People play this game for fun, some people like to gank, most like to pvp, how are you gonna make ur money mining if nobody is gonna pvp anymore? since there is no new ships required to build.
Blaming everyone isn't gonna help anyone either. |
Azure Feixing
Arcane Futuristics
Elite Demons Playground
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:13:48 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Azure Feixing wrote:You know who else does nothing to contribute to the economy? Gankers I suppose removing half a trillion isk from the economy over the past two years did nothing to remove supply and drive demand up. Learn to economy.
The gankers do NOT HELP the economy when they just turn around and Kill miners! It does no good if they just turn around and ruin everything that went towards building their ships. If they ganked actauly PVP ships, or did something else, than that 500b would mean something
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Paranoid Loyd
7670
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:15:43 -
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So are you just trolling or are you really that dumb?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Xavindo Sirober
The Merchant Marine's
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:16:05 -
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Azure Feixing wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Azure Feixing wrote:You know who else does nothing to contribute to the economy? Gankers I suppose removing half a trillion isk from the economy over the past two years did nothing to remove supply and drive demand up. Learn to economy. The gankers do NOT HELP the economy when they just turn around and Kill miners! It does no good if they just turn around and ruin everything that went towards building their ships. If they ganked actauly PVP ships, or did something else, than that 500b would mean something
Mining barges/catalysts are build from thin air?
They do help the economy, while having fun blowing stuff up. its you who is not having fun. less netflix, more awareness prevents almost any loss for a ship while mining |
Chris Kovach
Aphro Spaceships
0
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:17:29 -
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Is this post for real? I have hard time deciding if the poster is a genuine lego bricks nerd or neckbeard... |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
696
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:18:52 -
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Well, aren't you a bag of sunshine? Look, just because you don't agree with their playstyle doesn't mean they are "low-life scum". It certainly doesn't mean they don't contribute to Eve or its economy any more than you do for that matter. To be fair, they have no more or less freedom to do as they will than you do.
If you do truly feel as though you are being harassed in anyway that is contrary to legitimate gameplay, then the proper outlet would be a petition. I will say that this game does ask quite a bit from players in terms of who fits and who doesn't. You may not like hearing it, but you are going to have to learn to accept that not everyone here plays the same way, as the rules to this game allow for players to explore both noble and sometimes less than noble methods to get what they want out of it, even a times at the cost of another players belongings. That's called competition, and this game is a competitive game at its very core. That's not easy for some to swallow, but it is what it is.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9635
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:19:15 -
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Every profession has a place in this game. Without that synergy and rivalry this game would have died long ago.
That's all I have to say on the topic.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
41484
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:19:15 -
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Chris Kovach wrote: I have hard time deciding if the poster is a genuine lego bricks nerd or neckbeard...
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSbmk3pSKyKFAY90V21F9tlTIHENy-NTJZMl_a5UvjQl_Yp2pwfmHzG0MlaEg
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Azure Feixing
Arcane Futuristics
Elite Demons Playground
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:24:20 -
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The stupidity of the PVP and Gankers just goes to show how doomed the eve economy may be.
If PVP went on as it was supposed to (That being that factions and alliances are trying to kill each other, and eliminate the opposing infrastructure while protecting their own), the economy would be much better off. Instead this is how PVP goes
Player PLEXES, buys PVP ship, kills miners.
Thats just not productive. Its harder for us to sell things and make profits if the very items we are producing are just being used to destroy us. It creates a double negative, which is not how EVE should work
"Every profession has a place in this game. Without that synergy and rivalry this game would have died long ago.
That's all I have to say on the topic."
I agree, I think that ALL playstyles are valuable, if played properly. Gankers, PVP players, and everyone else could be playing Vital roles in the economy, and having WAY WAY WAY more fun! Instead you just sit around and kill us. Would it not be more fun to go charging into battle, fleet vs fleet, knowing that your corps/alliances indy players are hard at work making everything you need, compared to just sitting around all day killing anything that moves?
Thats all I am going to say.
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:24:51 -
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[quote=Azure Feixing) If they actually engaged in PVP, started wars and played the game like it is supposed to be played,[/quote]
Dude, you Indy players and pvp'ers alike need to get this through your thick skulls. This game is a sandbox. Once they have subscribed people can play however the **** they choose. Learn to eve.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Paranoid Loyd
7671
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:25:16 -
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Ok so your trolling, IBTL
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Azure Feixing
Arcane Futuristics
Elite Demons Playground
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:29:41 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ok so you're trolling, IBTL
No. I mean what I say. Eve is not as good as it used to be. It seems like players have abandoned EVEs former values and adopted easier ways.
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Paranoid Loyd
7672
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:30:57 -
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Azure Feixing wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ok so you're trolling, IBTL No. I mean what I say. Eve is not as good as it used to be. It seems like players have abandoned EVEs former values and adopted easier ways.
Look man, you lost a shitfit hauler in low sec. 99.9% of the players in Eve would have killed your dumbass. It has nothing to do with the fact you are a miner, in fact there is no way in hell the guy that killed you knew were a miner. So to say there is hate for miners based off your loss is just childish. You were using poor tactics that is why you were killed, no other reason.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
41485
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:31:17 -
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Azure Feixing wrote:The stupidity of the PVP
Is killing shuttles ok within your rules for acceptable pvp?
Just asking, looking at your killboard and all.
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Azure Feixing
Arcane Futuristics
Elite Demons Playground
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:34:43 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Azure Feixing wrote:The stupidity of the PVP Is killing shuttles ok within your rules for pvp? Just saying. Looking at your killboard and all.
The shuttles we killed we players in our WH. They were not active, and had logged off in space inside of a recently aquired POS. As we destroyed the ships left inside the shield, we ran into a few of these shuttle that we had no idea were alive.
And did I not say that PVP is okay? As long as PVP players are going against one another. Like wars, invasions, etc. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
41485
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:38:18 -
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Azure Feixing wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Azure Feixing wrote:The stupidity of the PVP Is killing shuttles ok within your rules for pvp? Just saying. Looking at your killboard and all. The shuttles we killed we players in our WH. They were not active, and had logged off in space inside of a recently aquired POS. As we destroyed the ships left inside the shield, we ran into a few of these shuttle that we had no idea were alive. And did I not say that PVP is okay? As long as PVP players are going against one another. Like wars, invasions, etc.
So killing logged off shuttles is ok, because clearly the players are going against you while logged off.
Killing you is not ok.
Got it.
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Azure Feixing
Arcane Futuristics
Elite Demons Playground
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:40:09 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Azure Feixing wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Azure Feixing wrote:The stupidity of the PVP Is killing shuttles ok within your rules for pvp? Just saying. Looking at your killboard and all. The shuttles we killed we players in our WH. They were not active, and had logged off in space inside of a recently aquired POS. As we destroyed the ships left inside the shield, we ran into a few of these shuttle that we had no idea were alive. And did I not say that PVP is okay? As long as PVP players are going against one another. Like wars, invasions, etc. So killing logged off shuttles is ok, because clearly the players are going against you while logged off. Got it. Killing you is not ok. Got it.
Can you read? I said we had NO idea the shuttle has pilots in them, and since we PURCHASED the WH they were given plenty of time to leave. Not to mention to completely different circumstances. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
41485
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:42:45 -
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Azure Feixing wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Azure Feixing wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Azure Feixing wrote:The stupidity of the PVP Is killing shuttles ok within your rules for pvp? Just saying. Looking at your killboard and all. The shuttles we killed we players in our WH. They were not active, and had logged off in space inside of a recently aquired POS. As we destroyed the ships left inside the shield, we ran into a few of these shuttle that we had no idea were alive. And did I not say that PVP is okay? As long as PVP players are going against one another. Like wars, invasions, etc. So killing logged off shuttles is ok, because clearly the players are going against you while logged off. Got it. Killing you is not ok. Got it. Can you read? I said we had NO idea the shuttle has pilots in them, and since we PURCHASED the WH they were given plenty of time to leave. Not to mention to completely different circumstances.
Yeah I can read.
Killing someone is ok if you don't know you are killing someone.
Ok. Got it this time.
Any more rules I should abide by to make sure I only do acceptable pvp?
Maybe you can detail them all?
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Azure Feixing
Arcane Futuristics
Elite Demons Playground
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:47:36 -
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"Yeah I can read.
Killing someone's ship is ok if you don't know you are killing someone's ship.
Ok. Got it this time.
How long should I give someone to leave before its ok to shoot their ship?
This is so confusing.
Any more rules I should abide by to make sure I only do acceptable pvp?
Maybe you can detail them all?[/quote]
Pretty sure I covered this topic. Perhaps reading and ANALYZING the whole thread will help. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
41486
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:52:47 -
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Azure Feixing wrote:Pretty sure I covered this topic. Perhaps reading and ANALYZING the whole thread will help.
Lol. Yeah ok.
So the rules so far:
1. Don't shoot industrialists
2. Dont shoot miners
3. Don't shoot other ships unless it's mutual
Disclaimer:
It's ok to shoot someone's ship as long as you don't know someone else owns it
It's ok to shoot someone's ship if you give them enough time to leave
All other pvp makes you scum and in any case PvPers don't contribute anything to the economy anyway. They just PLEX their accounts.
Ok. I think that summarises the thread so far.
This should be in a Wili somewhere.
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Raiz Nhell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:54:15 -
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Azure Feixing wrote:
And did I not say that PVP is okay? As long as PVP players are going against one another. Like wars, invasions, etc.
Ahhh... so what your asking is to be completely safe... gotcha... go away.
How do you know you weren't killed in an invasion, how do you know the person who killed you doesn't want your WH.
As has been pointed out, all of Eve is competitive, all of Eve is PVP, there is no distinction between an industrialist and a PVP once you undock.
By undocking you are a PVP player, by undercutting on the market you are a PVP player, by mining you are denying others the minerals... it is all PVP.
Adapt and overcome. Eve success is based on climbing a pyramid that is made of other characters, tear down those above you and trample those below.
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
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Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
175
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Posted - 2015.12.11 00:02:55 -
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heh, you're funny. I suppose you make ships with your minerals and think insurance is an isk sink too.
This is a signature.
It has a 25m signature.
No it's not a cosmic signature.
Probably.
Btw my corp's recruiting.
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