You know who else does nothing to contribute to the economy? Gankers

You know who else does nothing to contribute to the economy? Gankers, and PVP players.

It seems wherever I go I get hate mail. People seem to think that miners and industrialists are lazy, and pathetic? Im sorry but without us EVE would not exist. We turn what eve gives us into the end products that other players need. We CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY?

You know who does not contribute to the economy? Station traders. Even as more miners appear, the prices products continue to rise, partially because the pathetic station traders sit there and jack prices up. To make a buck they take something that was 10,000 ISK and make it 11,000, than 13,000 than 25,000 than 75,000 than 100,000 etc etc, soon prices are crazy because station traders are just trying to make a quick buck.

You know who else does nothing to contribute to the economy? Gankers, and PVP players. The majority of them just plex their accounts to play. Plexing is the WORST thing to happen to the EVE economy. Instead of people having to work to convert what EVE gives us into resources, and eventually ISK, PVP players just show up with 1.2bil ISK that no one had to work for, which drives prices up!

Its just nuts. The amount of low-life scum that just leech off of the economy is crazy, and these scumbags still have the audacity to blame miners for rising prices, or hate on us?

I suppose removing half a trillion isk from the economy over the past two years did nothing to remove supply and drive demand up.

Learn to economy.

The gankers do NOT HELP the economy when they just turn around and Kill miners! It does no good if they just turn around and ruin everything that went towards building their ships. If they ganked actauly PVP ships, or did something else, than that 500b would mean something

I have hard time deciding if the poster is a genuine lego bricks nerd or neckbeard...

Ok so you're trolling, IBTL

No. I mean what I say. Eve is not as good as it used to be. It seems like players have abandoned EVEs former values and adopted easier ways.

The stupidity of the PVP

Is killing shuttles ok within your rules for pvp?

Just saying. Looking at your killboard and all.

The shuttles we killed we players in our WH. They were not active, and had logged off in space inside of a recently aquired POS. As we destroyed the ships left inside the shield, we ran into a few of these shuttle that we had no idea were alive.

And did I not say that PVP is okay? As long as PVP players are going against one another. Like wars, invasions, etc.

So killing logged off shuttles is ok, because clearly the players are going against you while logged off. Got it.

Killing you is not ok.

Got it.

Can you read? I said we had NO idea the shuttle has pilots in them, and since we PURCHASED the WH they were given plenty of time to leave. Not to mention to completely different circumstances.

Pretty sure I covered this topic. Perhaps reading and ANALYZING the whole thread will help.

And did I not say that PVP is okay? As long as PVP players are going against one another. Like wars, invasions, etc.

Ahhh... so what your asking is to be completely safe... gotcha... go away.

How do you know you weren't killed in an invasion, how do you know the person who killed you doesn't want your WH.

As has been pointed out, all of Eve is competitive, all of Eve is PVP, there is no distinction between an industrialist and a PVP once you undock.

By undocking you are a PVP player, by undercutting on the market you are a PVP player, by mining you are denying others the minerals... it is all PVP.

Adapt and overcome. Eve success is based on climbing a pyramid that is made of other characters, tear down those above you and trample those below.

In response to all of the above posts:

Gankers and PVP do generate need for product. But at the same time if they are all coming after us the economy cannot grow, and will ultimately wither and die.

If players went to war, and played the game like it was supposed to be, none of this would be happening.

Random ganking in low and high of miners and industrialist = lazy scumbag

Eve is not a PvP-optional game. You click undock, you consent to PvP. So, play the game accordingly.

How about, by killing miners and haulers YOU are denying others the minerals. What do you think you in your battleship are gonna harvest the rocks, gas, ice, and moons? Not a chance. Without us there would be nothing. WE, the indy, are the only reason you have anything to gank us with, and the only reason you can PVP.

Don't hate me, hate those other guys.

Some players do go to war. Others blow up players like you. Player freedom to choose is integral to Eve.

Frankly, you're looking at it all wrong. Gankers aren't your enemy. Your enemy is other miners. If you can learn to avoid getting ganked, you have a competitive advantage over miners who can't do that.

Eve is not a PvP-optional game. You click undock, you consent to PvP. So, play the game accordingly.

The biggest group of pvpers in the game are classified by CCP as the 'professional' players and they do just as much mining and industrial activity as they do pvp.

If the self entitled "we miners are the driving force of the economy" people disappeared, then the same players that shoot you will also create more than they already do.

In realtity, the idea that there are industrialists and pvpers as two distinct groups is ridiculous. Lots of people in the game do lots of different things, both production and destruction focused.

How about, by killing miners and haulers YOU are denying others the minerals.

Whadaya know, I go to the kill boards and see a silly loss driving this post.

Pretty sure I covered this topic. Perhaps reading and ANALYZING the whole thread will help.

I enjoy twisting information and not reading the whole thread.

That's exactly why competent miners like gankers. By keeping the lazy slob caste of miners from bringing their minerals to market, the ganker ensures that the mining elite get top dollar for their minerals when they bring their minerals safely to market because they know what they are doing and took pains to avoid getting ganked. ;)

Because you must not have read the rest of the thread. I specifically said that a GOOD WAY to eliminate other miners is through ganking, only when you are at war. Normal gankers do not pick and choose who they shoot. Alliances and corps will. There is an effective way to monopolize the larger markets. Gankers do more harm than good.

That's gotta be worth at least 8 points on the GD Bingo Card?



i've read it. my analysis is as follows:

You flew a hilariously badly fit hauler into Lowsec and got popped by an Orthrus. This gives rise to some pretty basic questions, like, did you or anyone in your corp scout the gate? You supposedly have 26 corpmates you can call upon for these sorts of things.

As to said spectacularly failfit Tayra. You chose to use precisely zero tank and no afterburner, despite a plethora of open slots simply yearning to be filled with these generally useful, ship saving devices.

So, you've made three stupendously bad decisions in quick succession and been given an ISK125m lesson in How To EVE as a result.

I suggest you learn from those mistakes, else you'll them again. Coming onto forums and bleating about nasty, nasty people simply provides delicious, live affirming tears to your killer and all those of us who would have gladly taken that shot at you in the same situation.

People seem to think that miners and industrialists are lazy, and pathetic? Im sorry but without us EVE would not exist.

You know who does not contribute to the economy? Station traders.

You know who else does nothing to contribute to the economy? Gankers, and PVP players.

Its just nuts.

I specifically said that a GOOD WAY to eliminate other miners is through ganking, only when you are at war

In fact my loss is not driving this thread.

I did not say this. Why you try to do this is just ridiculous. Anyone can forge a qoute like this below

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Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.