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Loop Gummiworm Border Patrol 0	Posted - 2015.12.12 23:30:20 - [1] - Quote I recently got back into eve after quitting for a few years and I want to start heading into low sec (I used to be a carebear) but I'm afraid I don't even know how to travel out there let alone live there. I'm not sure how to decide what ship to use, how to fit it, the do's and don'ts of traveling in low sec, etc. Please help me out guys, I have jump clones as well and plenty of money so insurance isn't an issue.
Chainsaw Plankton Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2188	Posted - 2015.12.12 23:36:14 - [2] - Quote Jump clone to an empty clone, buy some cheap frigs and go find out. also practice the MWD cloak trick in highsec a few times before going out there. this video looks decent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5BwkKIS8UQ @ChainsawPlankto
Loop Gummiworm Border Patrol 0	Posted - 2015.12.12 23:46:05 - [3] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Jump clone to an empty clone, buy some cheap frigs and go find out. also practice the MWD cloak trick in highsec a few times before going out there. this video looks decent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5BwkKIS8UQ Ok, will do. Thank you.
Loop Gummiworm Border Patrol 0	Posted - 2015.12.12 23:51:22 - [4] - Quote I would like to recieve input from others players as well before this gets closed.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 41601	Posted - 2015.12.12 23:53:44 - [5] - Quote In general, travelling in lowsec is not much different to travelling in highsec and it doesn't take long to learn how to keep yourself safe. Some simple tips: - Avoid entry systems into lowsec that are close to highsec trade hubs (because they are often camped) - Make at least 1 safe spot in each system you enter (even a midwarp safe on the way to another gate is good enough initially) - If a system has a lot of suspects/criminals, don't warp directly to a gate. Warp at range to a celestial first and scan your outgoing gate - check the in game map stats (pilots in space last 30 min, pod kills last hour, ship kills last hour) if you are unsure of the area and have no scout to jump ahead of you. That will give you some intel about the next system ahead. - check zkillboard for any of the systems on route that the map shows are active. That will give you an idea of how active those systems are being used for pvp - with the new enlarged grids, make perches of gates while you are warping to them. Ctrl+B and then hit ok when you reach 10,000km off the gate. That will give you an on-grid perch that you can warp to in future to see what is happening on gate - Gates and Stations provide more protection that celestials and beacons because sentry guns will engage people that attack you if you are not suspect/criminal or an outlaw (sec status < -5). Gates also give you the ability to separate enemies or escape from them by allowing them to agress and then jumping through. Don't be afraid of using gates to your advantage because of those mechanics. Those are some very simple tips no matter what you are flying. Last one: - Just fly a T3D and instawarp off any gate anyway. Lots of people will just run away from you anyway, so you will be ok in one. That last one is just a joke....sort of. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Loop Gummiworm Border Patrol 0	Posted - 2015.12.13 00:18:54 - [6] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: In general, travelling in lowsec is not much different to travelling in highsec and it doesn't take long to learn how to keep yourself safe. Some simple tips: - Avoid entry systems into lowsec that are close to highsec trade hubs (because they are often camped) - Make at least 1 safe spot in each system you enter (even a midwarp safe on the way to another gate is good enough initially) - If a system has a lot of suspects/criminals, don't warp directly to a gate. Warp at range to a celestial first and scan your outgoing gate - check the in game map stats (pilots in space last 30 min, pod kills last hour, ship kills last hour) if you are unsure of the area and have no scout to jump ahead of you. That will give you some intel about the next system ahead - check zkillboard for any of the systems on route that the map shows are active. That will give you an idea of how active those systems are being used for pvp - with the new enlarged grids, make perches off gates while you are warping to them. Ctrl+B and then hit ok when you reach 10,000km off the gate. That will give you an on-grid perch that you can warp to in future to see what is happening on gate - Gates and Stations provide more protection that celestials and beacons because sentry guns will engage people that attack you if you are not suspect/criminal or an outlaw (sec status < -5). Gates also give you the ability to separate enemies or escape from them by allowing them to agress and then jumping through. Don't be afraid of using gates to your advantage because of those mechanics - if you regularly use some stations, create instadock and instaundock bookmarks so you can always get in and out safely even if the station is being camped by a fleet Those are some very simple tips no matter what you are flying. Last one: - Just fly a T3D and instawarp off any gate anyway. Lots of people will just run away from you, especially if you are in a Svipul, so you will be ok in one. That last one is just a joke....sort of. That's incredibly helpful, Thank you.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 41603	Posted - 2015.12.13 00:34:03 - [7] - Quote Loop Gummiworm wrote: That's incredibly helpful, Thank you. No problems. The safes take a bit of time to setup initially, but never need to be setup again. So while you might move a bit slower than you would like when you first go into lowsec, eventually you'll move just as quick as you do in highsec. The biggest killer I face when just moving in lowsec is complacency. For all those tips, lowsec is really easy and generally quite ok to move around in. So mostly I just warp gate-to-gate, jump...rinse repeat. Most people do. It occasionally gets me killed when I jump into a camp because I was lazy, but that's lowsec. PvP Mecca. If you are just moving around (not looking for pvp), your chance of being killed is proportional to how lazy/complacent you are being. However, once you do find yourself in a pod, being careful is a good thing. Since Santo Trafficante is so successful with smart bombing on gates, there are a lot of copycat killers around. So if you are in a pod and in an area that has high pvp activity (because Santo and other smartbombers tend to hang around places that will have a high number of pods moving around) warping gate-to-gate directly can be a quick path to a fresh clone. If your clone is empty, then doesn't matter. But if your head is full of implants, it's worth either warping to perches or celestials for every gate so your angle of approach is not direct and/or docking and getting a ship nearby. Smartbombs are really the only thing difficult to predict, however if you do get smartbombed, just instantly make a contact out of that pilot so you will see if they are in system next time. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Kaska Iskalar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2015.12.13 00:51:51 - [8] - Quote Loop Gummiworm wrote: I recently got back into eve after quitting for a few years and I want to start heading into low sec (I used to be a carebear) but I'm afraid I don't even know how to travel out there let alone live there. I'm not sure how to decide what ship to use, how to fit it, the do's and don'ts of traveling in low sec, etc. Please help me out guys, I have jump clones as well and plenty of money so insurance isn't an issue. Every piece of info no matter how small helps. Use something small and fast. Make it cheap because you'll probably lose more at first. Set the map to show kills in the last hour and use that to avoid camps. If there are people in the system warp at a random range to something nearby and D-scan the gate before trying to jump.
Loop Gummiworm Border Patrol 0	Posted - 2015.12.13 01:25:25 - [9] - Quote Kaska Iskalar wrote: Loop Gummiworm wrote: I recently got back into eve after quitting for a few years and I want to start heading into low sec (I used to be a carebear) but I'm afraid I don't even know how to travel out there let alone live there. I'm not sure how to decide what ship to use, how to fit it, the do's and don'ts of traveling in low sec, etc. Please help me out guys, I have jump clones as well and plenty of money so insurance isn't an issue. Every piece of info no matter how small helps. Use something small and fast. Make it cheap because you'll probably lose more at first. Set the map to show kills in the last hour and use that to avoid camps. If there are people in the system warp at a random range to something nearby and D-scan the gate before trying to jump. Good to know, thanks.
Jim Junior 315 School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.12.13 01:35:15 - [10] - Quote Low sec is for runigates and ne'er-do-wells. Null is a little better, only because it's distant. Let the savages continue to savage one another, it matters not. But within the civilization of Empire High Sec law and civilization will prevail. So let it be written. So let it be done.
Paul Pohl blue media poetry 49	Posted - 2015.12.13 01:36:49 - [11] - Quote I wondering if you have a purpose to go there, or just want to go and look around?
May Arethusa The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 111	Posted - 2015.12.13 01:56:11 - [12] - Quote Don't be, we'll make it quick.
Loop Gummiworm Border Patrol 0	Posted - 2015.12.13 02:09:08 - [13] - Quote Paul Pohl wrote: I wondering if you have a purpose to go there, or just want to go and look around? Traveling/ratting mostly maybe some mining here and there but I know how to fit a mining ship for low sec
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 447	Posted - 2015.12.13 02:17:58 - [14] - Quote If it's just out of curiosity, that's cool. Just don't set your expectations too high. Ratting in LS is only so-so, and would be complete garbage were it not for the occasional clone soldier tag. Mining in low can be quite dangerous, depending on where you decide to do it, and getting the ore out is a hassle.
Paul Pohl blue media poetry 49	Posted - 2015.12.13 02:27:27 - [15] - Quote Loop Gummiworm wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: I wondering if you have a purpose to go there, or just want to go and look around? Traveling/ratting mostly maybe some mining here and there but I know how to fit a mining ship for low sec First thing I'd advise is turning off the daft message warning you that you are about to enter low sec, follow the advice about bookmarks etc, and then just get on with business If you get shot you get shot - and in general - people are as frightened of you as you are of them
Loop Gummiworm Border Patrol 0	Posted - 2015.12.13 02:50:20 - [16] - Quote All this info so far really helps, I really appreciate you people helping me out. I'm heading to a low sec system now. Question: How does one set up a safe spot? I ask because I thought they have to be several AU from anything nearby to be deemed safe soi'm not sure how i'm supposed to create it.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4851	Posted - 2015.12.13 03:39:38 - [17] - Quote It's a trap. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 449	Posted - 2015.12.13 03:41:53 - [18] - Quote Loop Gummiworm wrote: All this info so far really helps, I really appreciate you people helping me out. I'm heading to a low sec system now. Question: How does one set up a safe spot? I ask because I thought they have to be several AU from anything nearby to be deemed safe soi'm not sure how i'm supposed to create it. there are no actual safespots in the sense that they are perfectly safe. However, if it's more than 14.3 AU from every celestial, you will not show up on peoples directional scanners, and they are less likely to go looking for you. When people here say, that you need a safespot, any bookmark in space will do. You just need a place you can warp to, and be sure to not land next to someone who is out to kill you. Once you are there, align somewhere, and 360 scan for combat probes. If probes show up, run away (or prepare to fight).
Loop Gummiworm Border Patrol 0	Posted - 2015.12.13 03:45:05 - [19] - Quote But how would you set up a bookmark so far away from everything? That's incredibly long and you don't have anything to warp to.
Paul Pohl blue media poetry 50	Posted - 2015.12.13 03:48:01 - [20] - Quote just aim into space... set the afterburner going.... and go as far as you can before you get bored......
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 41613	Posted - 2015.12.13 03:53:51 - [21] - Quote Loop Gummiworm wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: I wondering if you have a purpose to go there, or just want to go and look around? Traveling/ratting mostly maybe some mining here and there but I know how to fit a mining ship for low sec Ok, so some advice: 1. stay away from FW systems. FW has a lot of pvp, but lowsec can be very quiet outside the FW areas. Dotlan is good to check 2. lowsec ratting doesn't need a big ship or bling fit. A Vexor is good enough. A Vexor Navy is awesome. Even destroyers are good enough 3. If you want to mine, then the belt rats aren't really a problem in lowsec. Light drones will kill them. You can use a barge no problem, except that you need to travel from highsec to a quiet lowsec system. The travel will be the risky part. An alternative to a barge is a Venture, or if you want the ease of a covert ops cloak for travel in lowsec, then a Prospect (and double the ore bay and higher yield). In any case, fit for travel if you are using a barge (warp core stabs), refit off a mobile depot and travel at quiet times (eg. close to downtime is ideal). Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Netan MalDoran Last Garrison 163	Posted - 2015.12.13 04:33:22 - [22] - Quote Loop Gummiworm wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: I wondering if you have a purpose to go there, or just want to go and look around? Traveling/ratting mostly maybe some mining here and there but I know how to fit a mining ship for low sec Eh, Low sec mining isn't worth it, trust me. And btw, stay farrrrrr away from Tama XD "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! Falcon's truth
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 450	Posted - 2015.12.13 04:57:36 - [23] - Quote Loop Gummiworm wrote: But how would you set up a bookmark so far away from everything? That's incredibly long and you don't have anything to warp to. You can't do that in many systems. Don't worry about it too much, though. Normal safespots are just fine, as long as you keep an eye on your directional scanner.
Dredd Stallone Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.12.13 05:24:11 - [24] - Quote Lots of bookmarks
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2015.12.13 07:08:20 - [25] - Quote Loop Gummiworm wrote: But how would you set up a bookmark so far away from everything? That's incredibly long and you don't have anything to warp to. A mission. Those will drop bookmarks in really weird places. Bonus points if you complete the mission. If you use the stations in low/null, you need to set up a minimum of two bookmarks: one inside the docking ring (distance will read 0), and at least one in line with the station's exit so you instawarp out of camps. This is also important in trade hubs if you carry expensive things around. A signature :o
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1825	Posted - 2015.12.13 07:24:25 - [26] - Quote Lowsec is mainly for PvP, except maybe from LvL5 missions and DED sites, individual ISK making is done elsewhere more profitable ... I'm my own NPC alt.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 41617	Posted - 2015.12.13 07:27:25 - [27] - Quote Loop Gummiworm wrote: Question: How does one set up a safe spot? I ask because I thought they have to be several AU from anything nearby to be deemed safe soi'm not sure how i'm supposed to create it. As Neuntausend, it's not possible to make every safe >14.3 AU from anything else in system. Some systems are big enough to do it easily, but others just aren't (though if you come across a system with an incursion, you can still make deep safes by warping to an incursion site and saving a bookmark at or close by). However, aside from making midwarp bookmarks between celestials, you can also make bookmarks while warping between other bookmarks. This allows you to make a 'safe' that is not in a direct warp between celestials, so you won't appear on someone's overview if they also warp between the same celestials. You can do that easily just by creating 2 bookmarks between celestials and then a 3rd bookmark between the first two. Here's a very poor diagram of the idea: http://puu.sh/lTGBN/a3a1fbb87c.png Create bookmark A on your first warp after jumping into system. Make bookmark B in your next warp in a different direction, then just go back to A or B and warp between them, making bookmark C. Bookmark C then becomes your safer location (still not perfectly safe). Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5594	Posted - 2015.12.13 07:49:56 - [28] - Quote My record through nulsec is over 40 jumps... in a rookie ship. I got blown-up when I finally made a mistake. Seriously, lowsec isn't any big deal either. You will find most systems empty, or have people running missions that don't want to see you around either, and will flee rather than fight. Probably the most dangerous systems are ones with small gate-camps, which are usually hisec entrances. Then there are faction warfare zones, but most of the time the participants are sitting in 'plexes and not on the gates. Then there is just plain bad luck when you run into a fleet that is just passing through. Overall though, after poking around a while you will probably be asking yourself, "Why was I afraid of this?"
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 27441	Posted - 2015.12.13 07:51:32 - [29] - Quote It's a game. What's worse? Being afraid of lowsec, a non existing space in a videogame ... ... or being ashamed of being afraid of a non existing space in a videogame ? If the answer is the first one, then I suggest you stop playing immediately. If the answer is the second, I suggest not acting like a little child. Either way, I am laughing about a grown up person being afraid of lowsec. You should be ashamed of yourself. (how's that for motivation, hm?) I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Esrevid Nekkeg Justified and Ancient 1102	Posted - 2015.12.13 07:52:52 - [30] - Quote Shallanna Yassavi wrote: Loop Gummiworm wrote: But how would you set up a bookmark so far away from everything? That's incredibly long and you don't have anything to warp to. A mission. Those will drop bookmarks in really weird places. Bonus points if you complete the mission. If you use the stations in low/null, you need to set up a minimum of two bookmarks: one inside the docking ring (distance will read 0), and at least one in line with the station's exit so you instawarp out of camps. This is also important in trade hubs if you carry expensive things around. Sound advice. In addition, if you have scanning equipment, you might want to look out for Wormholes. If you find one, bookmark it if it is at a reasonable convenient spot. 24 Hours later, when the Wormhole has disappeared, you will have a good bookmark often well off the beaten path in a system. Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

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