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Hans Steinberg Vengeance of the Fallen	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:39:00 - [1] I know, I'm thinking the unthinkable here, but bear with me... If CCP created EVE v2, the exact same universe but on a new server, with no character transfers and no connection at all to Tranquility... what would happen? We'd basically be starting again, with the current game but completely empty space, so post your crazy predictions, escapist imaginings, tinfoil hat predictions and apocalyptic visions here! I'll start: I would imagine EVE would see a large number of new subscribers who were previously put off by the prospect of playing catch-up to three-year-old characters. Many of them would quit, realising the game isn't for them. ---
Mazzarins Demise	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:44:00 - [2] I doubt many of the vets would move over simply because they wouldn't want to retrain everything again. That's mainly the reason why I would keep away. However, If you had 2 characters on both shards and could train skills at the same time, that perhaps would coax the vets over.
Nex Angelus Caldari Hypherians	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:46:00 - [3] I think that we'd see alot of newer players transfer from TQ to EVEv2 in hopes of be one of the lucky few able to get a T2 BPO, building a large alliance, making a reputation for themselves and so on...
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:48:00 - [4] Is that time of the month again?
Hans Flussberg	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:51:00 - [5] If EVE sharded, a lot of people would quit. One of the most attractive aspects of EVE is that it is one world. And no matter how many SP you have, anyone can compete one on one vs a vet within 3 months with proper setups and foresight (excluding capital ships which take longer to train.) The main advantage most vets have over newer players is numbers and experience, both of which a newer player can gain within the first week of play.
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:51:00 - [6] 1. Mediocre influx of people who think skillpoints equal skill. Mass outflux of these people when they realize that the pirate with 30m SP who was kicking their arse on Tranq is kicking their arse with 1m SP on the new cluster. 2. Jokes about there being twice as many hamsters running in wheels/bumblebees farting in tin cans. 3. Large segment of Tranquility leaving for the new cluster because waah, pirates, waah, evil alliances, waah, I want to carebear! It'll take them some months to realize that EVE is EVE, no matter what cluster it would be on, and they'll return to crying on forums in short order once that happens. 4. All the political history of Tranq is repeated, and in a few years, we'll have people insisting the game is ruined on the new server because Company of Cousins has dev alts and omg h4x!!!!1111 5. Jita would lag on the new cluster, too. "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"
MeestaPenni Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:55:00 - [7] You would be bowing and scraping to my granduer, as befits a proper Emporer.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2007.01.15 05:04:00 - [8] I don't know what would happen to the total number of EVE accounts; I don't believe all these claims that "a lot will quit because they want one server", and as far as getting more people, that seems to only happen when there's advertising about the game. Well, I suppose they could use the event of adding a new server as reason enough to do more advertising, and thus get a few more people that way. As far as the new server, it'll probably suck, especially if it's viewed as second-rate, or the place where everyone can go nuts without losing their precious Tranquility ISK and implants. Shrug. The WoW expansion's just around the corner, and it'll probably diminish our server loads past the point where CCP will be inclined to add another server.
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.15 05:05:00 - [9] Operation Landgrab Mark II That is all. ------------------- -
Trem Sinval Sinval Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.15 05:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Hans Steinberg If CCP created EVE v2, the exact same universe but on a new server, with no character transfers and no connection at all to Tranquility... what would happen? In the business, we call this "EVE-China". :P We start over with the current DB, etc. etc. etc., the same situation they're dealing with now happens. Lots of POS' / 0.0 corps and no one with a capital ship to take them down: massive land-grab. I was never put off by needing to "catch up" to the older players. And now, 10 months later, I'm nearly done speccing Caldari AND Gallente ships, AND 90% of all the mining skills (yeah, oops). Other than learning large blaster spec, there's not much your 30m SP character has over mine, save a larger bankroll and your experience. - Trem
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 06:09:00 - [11] I would seriously consider quiting eve if this happens. 1 server is one of the most attractive aspects to me in eve. Click above for my killboard stats.
Benglada Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.15 07:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Kirex I would seriously consider quiting eve if this happens. 1 server is one of the most attractive aspects to me in eve. Agreed --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected]) Sig By Ortos
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.15 07:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Benglada Originally by: Kirex I would seriously consider quiting eve if this happens. 1 server is one of the most attractive aspects to me in eve. Agreed Double agreed. Really, really bad idea. It would double the workload of CCP staff and, at best, make a mediocre difference to total subscriptions. Many people with 2nd/3rd/4th accounts on TQ would cancel them and start accounts on the new shard instead. Why have a research alt (for instance) on a server where 99% of the BPOs are already gone when you can make one on a new server where all the BPOs still await distribution? Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
magnus amadeus Amarr Hammer Of Light Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.15 09:59:00 - [14] I think it might be inevitable that they need to separate Euro and American eve into separate shards. I mean there must be a point at which the cluster will not really be able handle so many users at once and all hardware/software changes get to the point of major diminishing returns right? Personally I don't care a whole lot either way what they do as long as the spirit of eve is maintained. To the people who say they would quit.... are you serious? I mean is the one big cluster the only reason why you play eve? I mean my good god man.... if that is actually the case thats pretty depressing. _________________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you down with experience.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.15 10:03:00 - [15] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/01/2007 10:04:45 It would make the accomplishments of the current alliances worthless. The whole thing about Eve is one persistent world where what you work for is valid in the entire game world. Eve on several different shards would feel completely meaningless. How come people dont understand this? Its like "Yeah,we are the most successful alliance on shard #33". Who cares? So someone says "We are the best at shard #11". Great. They will never meet. It really is meaningless to have a game about galactic conquest split up into several game worlds. Eve would lose so much from this. I dont know if you guys understand... Eve is like more than a game. You can have shards in WoW because the game is essentially meaningless anyway since nothing persists. Ever. Eve is like a sandbox where you work for years for something, competing against everybody else. Everybody. Not just shard #11. I feel I cant quite put into words what I really mean, but I hope you understand what im trying to say. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Alastorr Frost Minmatar Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.01.15 10:15:00 - [16] Its that time of the month again... How about NO to this idea? Regards, Frosty U.N.A Recruitment
Alastorr Frost Minmatar Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.01.15 10:15:00 - [17] Its that time of the month again... How about NO to this idea? Regards, Frosty U.N.A Recruitment
magnus amadeus Amarr Hammer Of Light Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.15 10:28:00 - [18] But at what point do you think eve won't be able to handle anymore people on a single cluster? 50k... 100k? I am all for squeezing as many people onto 1 cluster as possible.... but when/if it ever gets to the point where the entire game world is suffering I have no problem at all with CCP dividing EvE into regional clusters. Gameplay and fun come first in my book... epeen stroking isn't even an afterthought. _________________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you down with experience.
magnus amadeus Amarr Hammer Of Light Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.15 10:28:00 - [19] But at what point do you think eve won't be able to handle anymore people on a single cluster? 50k... 100k? I am all for squeezing as many people onto 1 cluster as possible.... but when/if it ever gets to the point where the entire game world is suffering I have no problem at all with CCP dividing EvE into regional clusters. Gameplay and fun come first in my book... epeen stroking isn't even an afterthought. _________________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you down with experience.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.15 10:38:00 - [20] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/01/2007 10:42:19 Originally by: magnus amadeus But at what point do you think eve won't be able to handle anymore people on a single cluster? 50k... 100k? I am all for squeezing as many people onto 1 cluster as possible.... but when/if it ever gets to the point where the entire game world is suffering I have no problem at all with CCP dividing EvE into regional clusters. Gameplay and fun come first in my book... epeen stroking isn't even an afterthought. The average database load is still only 50%. You know what that means? It means that half the power in the cluster goes unused. Its not the cluster performance that is the problem, its the load balancing. Or in Oveurs words: this. Also im going to rip out the most important thing of all: "Our main problem is population dynamics because of the way our application servers handle solar systems. Most of the solar systems services require them to be running on the same processor, meaning system hotspots such as Jita is never solved in hardware upgrades." Can you guys please get the hell out of Jita now? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
magnus amadeus Amarr Hammer Of Light Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.15 10:49:00 - [21] thnx for the info. Makes me feel better about eve's future. _________________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you down with experience.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.15 10:51:00 - [22] Originally by: magnus amadeus thnx for the info. Makes me feel better about eve's future. Added some more stuff..:) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Chronus26 Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 11:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Kirex I would seriously consider quiting eve if this happens. 1 server is one of the most attractive aspects to me in eve. But we love you Kirex, don't you love us too?? But in all seriousness, the nature of eve as a game, how it has evolved and grown since its release makes it difficult to just 'start over', as what seems to be happening with Serenity. -----
Chronus26 Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 11:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Kirex I would seriously consider quiting eve if this happens. 1 server is one of the most attractive aspects to me in eve. But we love you Kirex, don't you love us too?? But in all seriousness, the nature of eve as a game, how it has evolved and grown since its release makes it difficult to just 'start over', as what seems to be happening with Serenity. -----
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.15 11:47:00 - [25] Edited by: DarkMatter on 15/01/2007 11:46:10 I have 4 accounts on TQ, I would sell all my characters on TQ except my main, then activate 3 accounts on the new server and get a bunch of characters setup with 6 R&D agents... Then if I won a T2 BPO, I'd use the fortunes to buy GTC's with ISK on the new server, and then sell the GTC for ISK on TQ... (Unless of course CCP made separate codes for the different servers) Sharding may not be in the spirit of EVE, but what the hell! With the lag these days, I'd probably play more if EVE was sharded if LAG was reduced... If CCP cannot optimize code, or find OS/hardware which runs the game smoother they will have no choice IMO... Building the homestead
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.15 11:47:00 - [26] Edited by: DarkMatter on 15/01/2007 11:46:10 I have 4 accounts on TQ, I would sell all my characters on TQ except my main, then activate 3 accounts on the new server and get a bunch of characters setup with 6 R&D agents... Then if I won a T2 BPO, I'd use the fortunes to buy GTC's with ISK on the new server, and then sell the GTC for ISK on TQ... (Unless of course CCP made separate codes for the different servers) Sharding may not be in the spirit of EVE, but what the hell! With the lag these days, I'd probably play more if EVE was sharded if LAG was reduced... If CCP cannot optimize code, or find OS/hardware which runs the game smoother they will have no choice IMO... Building the homestead
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Anatolius 1. Mediocre influx of people who think skillpoints equal skill. Mass outflux of these people when they realize that the pirate with 30m SP who was kicking their arse on Tranq is kicking their arse with 1m SP on the new cluster. 2. Jokes about there being twice as many hamsters running in wheels/bumblebees farting in tin cans. 3. Large segment of Tranquility leaving for the new cluster because waah, pirates, waah, evil alliances, waah, I want to carebear! It'll take them some months to realize that EVE is EVE, no matter what cluster it would be on, and they'll return to crying on forums in short order once that happens. 4. All the political history of Tranq is repeated, and in a few years, we'll have people insisting the game is ruined on the new server because Company of Cousins has dev alts and omg h4x!!!!1111 5. Jita would lag on the new cluster, too. Lol, well said that man. ------
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:16:00 - [28] Id quit eve all together. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Id quit eve all together. Couldn't have put it better myself. NEWEST MOVIE : VETO FOR HIRE
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:36:00 - [30] Most Vet's would quit. Eve above anything else is about OUR single universe. And the history that goes with it !! Alliaanna [FOR SALE]25Mill Sp Amarr Char + Hauler Alt

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