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Madroxinde
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Posted - 2007.01.15 07:51:00 -
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ok so i got playen around and this happened tell me what you think
highs 7 xr-3200 heavy launchers improved cloak device 2 (got really bored) meds mag scatter - em sheild amp passive heat dissapation - thermal amp passive 2 fb-10 cap regenerators gistum-c medium booster dread gurastis invunlerabilty feild
lows 2 pandemonium bcu's 1 photonic cpu warp stab halycon
rig anti-em anti- kenetic cap control circuit 1
with out being energy drained it can tank like this thoerectaly forever has decent res for missions and has the firepower needed to kill the some of the hardest npc's
please tell me anything i can do to try to imporve this or just prove me wrong
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Madroxinide
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Posted - 2007.01.15 08:01:00 -
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mind you i am a noob so i ran this thru quickfit with my current skills and could do it fairly soon mainly i wanted something that can kinda uber tank becuase my computer freaks out and i have lost a drake this way.
if you load a dread commader crusier as your npc to see how well it does it will kill in roughly 40 second but thats of course not taking into account the other guy who is a pvper who will kill you when you get done
does this sound like a decent setup for ratting and mishes
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Sandeep
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.01.15 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Madroxinde ok so i got playen around and this happened tell me what you think
highs 7 xr-3200 heavy launchers improved cloak device 2 (got really bored) - the only time you need cloak is when safe spotted meds mag scatter - em sheild amp passive heat dissapation - thermal amp passive 2 fb-10 cap regenerators gistum-c medium booster - does not exist dread gurastis invunlerabilty feild
lows 2 pandemonium bcu's 1 photonic cpu - Caldari ships should not run out of CPU warp stab halycon - Do you have FOF at level 5?
rig anti-em remember the stacking penalty anti- kenetic cap control circuit 1put 3 CCC and remove the cap stuff in meds
with out being energy drained it can tank like this thoerectaly forever has decent res for missions and has the firepower needed to kill the some of the hardest npc's
please tell me anything i can do to try to imporve this or just prove me wrong
Replied in red text. Perhaps you should state the purpose of this setup.
----- n-1. ??? n. Profit!
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xHalcyonx
Amarr EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2007.01.15 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sandeep
Originally by: Madroxinde ok so i got playen around and this happened tell me what you think
highs 7 xr-3200 heavy launchers improved cloak device 2 (got really bored) - the only time you need cloak is when safe spotted meds mag scatter - em sheild amp passive heat dissapation - thermal amp passive 2 fb-10 cap regenerators gistum-c medium booster - does not exist dread gurastis invunlerabilty feild
lows 2 pandemonium bcu's 1 photonic cpu - Caldari ships should not run out of CPU warp stab halycon - Do you have FOF at level 5?
rig anti-em remember the stacking penalty anti- kenetic cap control circuit 1put 3 CCC and remove the cap stuff in meds
with out being energy drained it can tank like this thoerectaly forever has decent res for missions and has the firepower needed to kill the some of the hardest npc's
please tell me anything i can do to try to imporve this or just prove me wrong
Replied in red text. Perhaps you should state the purpose of this setup.
Royalties plz.
Back on topic, no cloaking device, use gistii a-type small SB with DG shield amps, use DGBCUs, no cap rechargers! Use 3x CCC rigs.
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Madroxinde
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Posted - 2007.01.15 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Madroxinde on 15/01/2007 18:33:06 the purpose of this build is pve i wanted something that could tank using good shield boost for a extended time because my computer has on occasion freaked out and cost me a drake by either game not responding or lag and i mean for like 3 minutes at a time normally only happens with the blockade missions thou
would rather use a meduim sheild booster 2 and the cloak like i said was boredom would more than likly use a medium energy vampire
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Sandeep
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.01.15 18:51:00 -
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Have you ever thought of passive tanking?
Drop the WCS too. You aren't going anywhere when your computer is frozen.
----- n-1. ??? n. Profit!
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Militis Kolosok
Caldari Praetorian Black Guard
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Posted - 2007.01.15 19:59:00 -
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See this thread for some passive setups:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=436362
-KolosoK- |
Nicholai Thomasovich
Caldari Acerbus Vindictum
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Posted - 2007.01.15 21:30:00 -
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Drake is just MADE for passive tank. A solid Drake fitting with a decent pilot jacked in is just ridiculously tough to break.
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Madroxinde
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Posted - 2007.01.16 04:29:00 -
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have had a passive drake tank still dies when my comp locks up when you go passive like that you still take damage and over time the damage will kill you with this build you end up with roughly 60-70% ressits on shields and can active sheild boost for well, ever, thoerecticly at least. sadly i don't have the isk to try it anytime soon atleast
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PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance ORION FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.01.16 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Madroxinde have had a passive drake tank still dies when my comp locks up when you go passive like that you still take damage and over time the damage will kill you with this build you end up with roughly 60-70% ressits on shields and can active sheild boost for well, ever, thoerecticly at least. sadly i don't have the isk to try it anytime soon atleast
sounds like the real problem is that your "comp locks up". Are you talking about computer problems? Maybe deal with that first
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Ddredar
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Posted - 2007.01.16 06:28:00 -
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This is what I use on my Drake. And so far I have had not even slightly worried about tanking a lvl 3 mission. With a little help from a corp buddies shield transporter, I have been the main tank for a couple of lvl 4 missions.
High slots Assorted Heavy Missile Launchers
Mid Slots 2 Large Shield extender II 1 Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II 1 Heat Dissipation Amplifier II 2 Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Low Slots 4 Type-D Power Core Modification: Power Diagnostic System (want to get 4 Power Diagnostic System II's) Rigs 3 Core Defense Field Purger I (want to replace these with tech II's)
Quote: GOTTA HAVE MORE COWBELL BABY!!!
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.16 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ddredar This is what I use on my Drake. And so far I have had not even slightly worried about tanking a lvl 3 mission. With a little help from a corp buddies shield transporter, I have been the main tank for a couple of lvl 4 missions.
High slots Assorted Heavy Missile Launchers
Mid Slots 2 Large Shield extender II 1 Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II 1 Heat Dissipation Amplifier II 2 Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Low Slots 4 Type-D Power Core Modification: Power Diagnostic System (want to get 4 Power Diagnostic System II's) Rigs 3 Core Defense Field Purger I (want to replace these with tech II's)
Surely you want Shield Power Relays if your passive tanking? You shouldn't need that many Power Diagnostics to fit your setup so why not increase recharge rate also unless you really need to be nos proof why not switch to active hardeners.
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Madroxinde
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Posted - 2007.01.16 08:23:00 -
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ok comp fixed i hope but why not just cap recharge instead of sheild recharge? if you cap recharge you can just leave you sheild boosters running
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Tarias Black
Minmatar Exodus Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.01.16 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tarias Black on 16/01/2007 11:25:25 Edited by: Tarias Black on 16/01/2007 11:24:38 Great, if you cover all your mid slots in rechargers you can run your shield booster all the time. Giving you a massive 41 shield boosted per second. The DG invuln is worth a fortune anyway, please don't lose it using a badly tanked active system :P
Using average skills:
3x Shield extender II 2x Active hardener IIs - therm and em for a spread, whatever you need basically 1x DG invuln - well if your setup can have it so can mine :P
4x Shield power relays
This gives 2.5 (104 shield per second) times your shield regen and 77/81/72/82 with high skills.
But you used rigs!
3x Core Defence Field Purger - shield regen
We're now up to over 200 shield per second, that's over 5x your shield regen, costs about the same and has the same resists. If you want to go for stamina instead as you keep crashing go for a bigger shield, you can still get a crazy passive regen:
4x PDU II 4x Core Field Extender I - shield size
77/81/72/82 resistances, 112 shield per second (almost 3x yours) and over 29000 shield without implants. Ditch some resist for race specific and that goes to 35,000.
Lets assume it's recieving 1000 em damage, our lowest resist, (that much would need about 5 npc battleships anyway):
1000 * 0.18 = 180dps inflicted 180 - 112 = 68 29000 / 68 = 426 seconds of tanking (over 7 minutes)
You could warp into a battleship spawn, crash, go make a cup of tea then come back!
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Madroxinde
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Posted - 2007.01.16 22:38:00 -
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nice i like the last one alot simply because he has the math to back up his build and it works nicely sadly i won't be able to try it for a while just lost a lot of isk on a bad run caracel vs a bs is no fun at all when you are in the caracel espaically when you are going to pick up your gear for the ship
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Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.01.16 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Madroxinde nice i like the last one alot simply because he has the math to back up his build and it works nicely... I'm now Poor!
Since you seem to be runing low on ISK and can't aford to build these setups that would work great. I have built you a Drake setup that is along the lines of what you need, but millions of ISK cheaper.
WHile this will not work as well as a rigged T2 setup, it will still work great in Level 3s.
Drake
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Empty Slot
Photon Scattering Field I Invulnerability Field I Heat Dissipation Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Cross-linked Bolt Array I
Rigs : Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \
16493 shield, 55.57/s, E/T/K/Ex=68/74/63/75 4491 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/44/25/10 3638.2315996513516 cap, +18.77/s, -8.0/s
As you can see, this will still beat your first setup by giving you 55 Regen a second max, should give you 14k+ shields also and as long as you tank to the damage from the rats it should work well. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns!
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Mar Idoun
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2007.01.16 23:59:00 -
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here's a cheap set up that can run ALL level 3s with no worries.
highs: 7x Heavy Missile Launcher I
meds: 3x named (or tech II) Large Shield Extenders 2x Faction specific Hardeners I and 1x Invuln field
lows: 2x Shield Power relays 2x BCU
obviously with tech II gear it's much, much better, but this set up will suffice in a pinch. The only time it won't do too well is if you're running a big time (i.e. Sansha's Extra, The Blockade) against factions like Amarr, Sanshas, Bloodraiders since they do EM and therm-- your worse resistance.
the Passive tank is easy mode and most missions if you want to get up to get a beer or go to the bathroom, you can -- no problem. You can even have a conversation on the phone and forget you're even playing even for a couple of hours because this passive tank it permanent -- especially the tech II variant of this set up. It's pretty cookie cutter and pretty much what everyone calls 'easy mode'. You'll love it.
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Tarias Black
Minmatar Exodus Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.01.17 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tarias Black on 17/01/2007 14:52:59
Originally by: Majin82
Drake
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Empty Slot
Photon Scattering Field I Invulnerability Field I Heat Dissipation Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Cross-linked Bolt Array I
Just out of curiosity, why Power Diags instead of Shield Power Relays? I get 53 shield per second with that setup, swap out the 3x Diags for 3x Shield Power Relays and I get 74, almost 50% more tank.
Sticking a damage mod in is probably wise for 3s tho, doubt you'd never silly tanking.
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Malcolm Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.01.17 15:45:00 -
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I use a Drake for lvl 4's.
7 x Heavy Missile Launcher II
2 x T2 Large Shield Extender 4 x Active Hardners ( mission variable )
2 X BCU II 1 x SPR 1 x PDU II
Only using 2 rigs atm, 1 shield extender rig, 1 shield recharger rig.
Can tank all lvl 4's.
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Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.01.17 17:52:00 -
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@ Tarias: I wasn't sure what his skills are like, he may not have enough skills to allow his cap to run very long without the boost of PDS. also, 3 active hardeners would suck a Cap crippled by SPRs dry in about 5 mins, unless you have good skills.
I agree, Put in the PDS, and then replace them with SPRs until you can't fit them or your PG wont let you. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns!
Passive Drake For The Win |
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Slayton Ford
Caldari Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.01.17 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Majin82 @ Tarias: I wasn't sure what his skills are like, he may not have enough skills to allow his cap to run very long without the boost of PDS. also, 3 active hardeners would suck a Cap crippled by SPRs dry in about 5 mins, unless you have good skills.
I agree, Put in the PDS, and then replace them with SPRs until you can't fit them or your PG wont let you.
You only need halfway decent skills to keep 3+ hardners up w/ a SPR. One thing I would do is use 1 SPR and 1 PDS. With a passive shileded drake, the only thing your using you cap for is the harderners so you can run them indefinitly.
As to doing a drake on lvl4s, what do you do about the missions such as Vengeance where a drake cannot do enough DPS to break the final named's tank?
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Calexis Atredies
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Posted - 2007.01.18 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Calexis Atredies on 18/01/2007 09:22:53 Well me and a few friends use drakes, even with 2.5 months old character my drake does ok (will be better).
Firstly for missions I have never needed more than 2 shield res amps, most dmg types you will recieve at once generally is 3, this includes explosive so you wont have to worry about that.
High slots: 7 x XR-3200 (most price effective launchers about 4 mill each) 1 x Improved cloak 2 (means you can get the bonus on angel extravaganza without being shot before you get the loot and also if you need to go afk for a sec it is helpfull)
Mid slots: 2 x T2 shield recharger 2 x large F-S9 regolith shield induction (prefer to T2 due to slightly smaller sig) 2 x T2 shield resistance amplifiers ( em and therm/kin and therm)
Low slots: 2 x beta reactor control: Shield power relay I(haven't seen any T2's, if someone has please pm me) 1 x emergency dmg control (saves your life if your tank goes) 1 x Ballistic control system II (taken DPS reduction in favour of DPS dealing)
With my skills atm I get 11962 sheild hp with a recharge time of 462 secs, res with dmg control active (kin + therm tank) 22.2/68.9/72.6/64.6 . To make passive well worth it though dont forget to train those specific shield resist skills :D |
Tommy Blue
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Posted - 2007.01.21 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Calexis Atredies Edited by: Calexis Atredies on 18/01/2007 09:22:53 Well me and a few friends use drakes, even with 2.5 months old character my drake does ok (will be better).
Firstly for missions I have never needed more than 2 shield res amps, most dmg types you will recieve at once generally is 3, this includes explosive so you wont have to worry about that.
High slots: 7 x XR-3200 (most price effective launchers about 4 mill each) 1 x Improved cloak 2 (means you can get the bonus on angel extravaganza without being shot before you get the loot and also if you need to go afk for a sec it is helpfull)
Mid slots: 2 x T2 shield recharger 2 x large F-S9 regolith shield induction (prefer to T2 due to slightly smaller sig) 2 x T2 shield resistance amplifiers ( em and therm/kin and therm)
Low slots: 2 x beta reactor control: Shield power relay I(haven't seen any T2's, if someone has please pm me) 1 x emergency dmg control (saves your life if your tank goes) 1 x Ballistic control system II (taken DPS reduction in favour of DPS dealing)
With my skills atm I get 11962 sheild hp with a recharge time of 462 secs, res with dmg control active (kin + therm tank) 22.2/68.9/72.6/64.6 . To make passive well worth it though dont forget to train those specific shield resist skills :D
CCP hasn't created T2 SPR yet, as to my knowledge
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GeneralXplosiv
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Posted - 2007.07.10 22:48:00 -
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Hi all I have a drake which at the moment is my baby,
I have:
high: 7x tech1 heavy missile launchers 1x tech1 Salvager
mids: 4x tech2 shield rechargers 2x large shield extenders
lows: 4x shield power relays
can anyone assist me in making my drake a beast?
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Rylet VanDorn
Pastafarians
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Posted - 2007.07.10 23:31:00 -
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Can easily (thus far) tank any level 4 i've thrown at it, including the end-stages of extravaganzas:
7x Heavy Launchers (Arbalest if no T2) 1x Tractor
2x T2 Invul (or specific T2 hardeners) 3x Large Shield Extender II 1x Shield Recharger II
3x Shield Power Relay II 1x Power Diagnostic System II
3x Defense Field Purger I
5x T2 Light Drones
4 tech 2 SPRs will drain your cap with active hardeners. 3x SPRs + 1 PDS allows you to use even 2 Tech 2 Invulnerabilities, as well as increasing shield recharge and power grid for T2 launchers.
It's not going to win any DPS fights, and battleships take awhile to kill, but it's a good ship to use until you can afford a Gist boosted raven.
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Rilder
Caldari THC LTD
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Posted - 2007.07.10 23:40:00 -
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High: 7x Named or T2 heavy missile launchers 1x Tractor Beam Med: 3x Large Shield Extenders, named or T2 1x Shield recharger 2x Mission spec hardeners
Low: 2x PDU's 2x Shield Power Relay.
Can tank every level 3 I've come against.
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