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mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 03:23:00 - [121] Originally by: Dominixa I can confirm that this has been in planning long before Maelstrom Alliance came under any kind of attack. The main members of our two corporations go way back and they are a great bunch to work with. You guys can pin whatever kind of blame you want for the situation, but to single out Total Mayhem is wrong. Your alliance got attacked by a numerically superior determined force. As for people worrying about Blue standings, we won't have much of that here. Don't get us wrong here Dominixa, we are not blaming the loss of I-NG on Total Mayhem.. We are not singling them out.. But don't for a second think this thread is the right place for JabJab to post that ****.. Make a separate thread.. and make your announcement of your new alliance.. Please don't come in here.. into a I-NGI8 outpost loss announcement thread and hope to receive any form of a welcome.. If you had gone about this the correct way.. the entire of Eve-o, would be unaware of my own feelings.. or those of our alliance towards Total Mayhem.. I would simply of avoided posting there.. TM have no place in this thread.. You were not here for the fight.. you napped with TCF to allow you easier evac'ing for your assets.. and it may be best.. for whats left of your reputation.. to keep out of the limelight for a few months.. -------------------------------
EntroX Total Mayhem. Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 05:00:00 - [122] Originally by: Vhulheim Oct ... I will miss you too mate, contact me in game someday i wouldn't like to loose contact :P Originally by: mamolian TM have no place in this thread.. You were not here for the fight.. you napped with TCF to allow you easier evac'ing for your assets.. and it may be best.. for whats left of your reputation.. to keep out of the limelight for a few months.. In this case you are wrong mate, if you want more details regarding this you should contact a TM director or if you hate them too much you can contact me, i dont think i gave you a reason to hate me :P Yours. EntroX
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 05:28:00 - [123] Originally by: EntroX In this case you are wrong mate, if you want more details regarding this you should contact a TM director or if you hate them too much you can contact me, i dont think i gave you a reason to hate me :P Yours. EntroX I don't hate any TM EntroX. Its just rather a pity, a lot of good pilots are being painted in a bad light.. due to the decisions made by your corps leadership.. Its not the first time JabJab and Lanielle have packed up and ran.. Its certainly not the first time Lazor Monkeys packed up and ran.. And now after their Merger.. Total Mayhem leadership have become quite the athlete's.. Perhaps its all that running..? Theres many individual pilots inside TM.. that have nothing only my respect.. Those individual pilots are more than welcome inside maelstrom.. Its your leadership that have no honorable business inside a thread associated with I-NGI8.. -------------------------------
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.17 05:57:00 - [124] Originally by: mamolian Originally by: Dominixa I can confirm that this has been in planning long before Maelstrom Alliance came under any kind of attack. The main members of our two corporations go way back and they are a great bunch to work with. You guys can pin whatever kind of blame you want for the situation, but to single out Total Mayhem is wrong. Your alliance got attacked by a numerically superior determined force. As for people worrying about Blue standings, we won't have much of that here. Don't get us wrong here Dominixa, we are not blaming the loss of I-NG on Total Mayhem.. We are not singling them out.. But don't for a second think this thread is the right place for JabJab to post that ***.. Make a separate thread.. and make your announcement of your new alliance.. Please don't come in here.. into a I-NGI8 outpost loss announcement thread and hope to receive any form of a welcome.. If you had gone about this the correct way.. the entire of Eve-o, would be unaware of my own feelings.. or those of our alliance towards Total Mayhem.. I would simply of avoided posting there.. TM have no place in this thread.. You were not here for the fight.. you napped with TCF to allow you easier evac'ing for your assets.. and it may be best.. for whats left of your reputation.. to keep out of the limelight for a few months.. what...we are Napped with them LDLQ, the Quebec touch in TCF till 2006*
Kel Dario Amarr Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 06:33:00 - [125] Originally by: Aaron Static Sometimes it's better to jump off a sinking ship... like when it's hull is completely decayed and drowning is imminent well done to TCF and good luck to TM and mamo... we'll no doubt see each other again ;) Bitter much Aaron? He couldn't take it that we kicked out a friend of his becaus of betrayal I guess we are doomed to have you in every thread where -M- is mentioned for the rest of our/your eve-life.
Timmy Bettenson Caldari Total Mayhem. Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 07:16:00 - [126] Originally by: mamolian Its certainly not the first time Lazor Monkeys packed up and ran..
Kather Amarr Total Mayhem. Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 08:28:00 - [127] Originally by: mamolian stuff its kinda funny, i got the impression over the last few months (pretty much since the foundation of TM) that the most vocal people of ]v[ didnt want us in the alliance. as fun as all the flame threads about us were, i never for one second thought there would be this amount of anger at us leaving. i honestly thought you'd be happy. Lazor never ran. we've been in a fair few alliances now but if you look at it, they were all dead or as good as dead when we left. sure our directors have an 'interesting' way to deal with things, but they're just enjoying the game the way they enjoy it having said all that, i did quite like being in ]v[. theres a good community spirit there, and atleast now you're prepared to fight (which most of the alliance wernt before). its a shame that some complete egits ruin the whole thing
Solasta Kovacs	Posted - 2007.01.17 08:30:00 - [128] I find this stuff absolutely staggering. Accusations left right and centre with absolutely no evidence, reasoning or substance. Points put in response, WITH evidence and explanation, dismissed agressively, without any sort of justification. I think we see precisely in this thread, why TMs member (and not juyst the directors by any means) were keen to leave this alliance. For the record many of us were fighting in IN. Look at the dread killmail for a start. You have confirmation from an SOD guy above that this was in the planning LONG before TCF arrived in IN. Yet some choose to ignore that in favour of hysterical cries of "cowards". It is a terrible shame that folk feel the need to find a scapegoat and cannot show even the slightest respect for people who worked damned hard whilst in the alliance, FOR the alliance. There are so many more myths that could be readily dispelled and it is sad and offensive to see them propogated by people leading an alliance such as M which contains a lot of good people. I hope (and believe) that most of those good people have minds of their own and can form their own reasoned views rather than simply accepted the aggressive rhetoric which Mammo and a few others seem determined to put out.
TTIGER Total Mayhem. Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 09:49:00 - [129] Agreed Originally by: mamolian TM have no place in this thread.. disagreed ,some were somenot, this is unacceptable for TM members who fought in I-N until end,I still have 6 loss mails from sunday not posted to alliance kb Originally by: mamolian You were not here for the fight.. Altough im leaving from TM ,i can say this is BS ,yes a member talked without knowledge of TM management but TM management rejected this. Originally by: mamolian you napped with TCF to allow you easier evac'ing for your assets.. PS:For mods atm im in pc ,ill leave at 12.00 evetime .If you delete my post cause not in pc ill start using my flamethrower
Timmy Bettenson Caldari Total Mayhem. Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:02:00 - [130] to sum up stop making lies and trying to make up for your own failings. we have provided evidence, make up ur own minds. but don't make up rubbish in the process.

DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:16:00 - [131] It's been fun and entertaining, respect to all that made or tried to make a difference in this fight. As for the TM subject, let's get over it...(for this thread at least). This thread is about honoring both sides and the I-NGI8 epic battle. Everybody will have occasions anyway to put their e-peens on the line for comparison one way or another... ... another time. ------ Proud member of the !s I take no responsability for your paranoia ! This sig space is Read-only !
Led Astray Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:32:00 - [132] Originally by: Timmy Bettenson Originally by: mamolian Its certainly not the first time Lazor Monkeys packed up and ran.. i think hes refering to Lazor Monkeys clearing out of the holding corp of Ghosts of Retribution, taking all the mins/loot and then trying to sell it all to alliance members before running off with everything they could get there hands on that wasnt tied down and bogging off to join KOS Ghosts was NOT dead at the point lazor monkey left, but they definatly tried to kill it. in the end the corps that were left went and created a new allinace, but fact remains lazor cleared that alliance out before leaving and left it with nothing to die. ex-Ghosts of Retribution
JabJabVVV Total Mayhem. Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 13:25:00 - [133] Edited by: JabJabVVV on 17/01/2007 13:30:03 ----------- When I was a n00b, I spake as a n00b, I understood as a n00b, I thought as a n00b: but when I became pr0, I put away n00bish things.
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:32:00 - [134] I seem to remember you leaving during the Spontanious defenstration war? Along with Lanielle, and Piercer.. from XFC? not ring a bell Jab? and the reason given.. "Not enough PVP" Sure Individual member of TM did stay behind.. and fight. I witnessed with my own eyes.. quite a few ships going self destruct also.. dispite calls of "OMG STOP! We'll buy the ship from you.." You have no place in a thread associated with maelstrom.. and or I-NGI8.. neither does your corp.. the eve community is not interested in your excuses.. only your actions.. And so far.. TM have quite a reputation.. Spineless thieves that will run at the first sign of trouble.. (Perhaps not you directly Jab.. although I believe my goldfish has more backbone.. Your fellow Lazor Directors are nothing but a pack of dogs.) Disgustfest.. o/ -------------------------------
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:43:00 - [135] It goes against everything I believe in, and it's gonna break tradition, but i'm gonna have to largely agree with mamo here. Actions speak louder than words, and when your actions are silent and your words are 'WTS Dominix' in local, one can draw their own assumptions _
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:45:00 - [136] you win some, you lose some more. ->My Vids<- CCP= More skilz more moneh!
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:03:00 - [137] Wow... Just Wow... So much hate for TM from some of the guys here. I don't know what happened in ]v[ with them, but we had a great relationship with them in KOS and ever since. I think SOD is a bit to blame here. We have been pushing TM to join us heavily for a while and they kept saying we want to help ]v[ out as much as we can before we left. So with all this backstabbing and name calling I guess they should have just unanchored their poses and yet TCF take the open moons.... Instead they kept them up and trying to fight as much as possible.
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:17:00 - [138] Originally by: Aelena Thraant Wow... Just Wow... So much hate for TM from some of the guys here. I don't know what happened in ]v[ with them, but we had a great relationship with them in KOS and ever since. I think SOD is a bit to blame here. We have been pushing TM to join us heavily for a while and they kept saying we want to help ]v[ out as much as we can before we left. So with all this backstabbing and name calling I guess they should have just unanchored their poses and yet TCF take the open moons.... Instead they kept them up and trying to fight as much as possible. "Instead they kept them up and tried to fight as much as possible"? I think I better just cancel my subscription before I have a stroke.. GM-OK7 POS.. Offline, 94FR POS Offline.. B-R pos they lost a carrier while trying to evac it.. Their last pos in I-NGI8, suddenly begins to shoot friendlies.. Quite the final message of goodwill there TM.. "I don't know what happened in ]v[ with them, but we had a great relationship with them in KOS and ever since." Their directorship doubletaked.. when was asked them WHAT THE ** was going on.. with their members self destructing their ships in front of the rest of us.. We offered to buy the ships from some of them.. some sold the ships.. some declined and self destructed anyway.. We had many many ships go missing.. that suddenly ended up on the market.. and when purchased.. low and behold.. TM members. We had TM directorship doubletake when I asked them why one of their members was shooting Blue's.. I believe their response was.. "It dosnt matter at this stage does it?" Nakatah.. you dog. Don't you ***** dare... come onto a public forum.. and try to spin your actions as honorable.. TM directorship are scum. I'll allow the Eve community decide whos side of the story is the truth.. -------------------------------
desintox Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:25:00 - [139] Let's end this here guys Fresh start for TM and Maelstrom.
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:27:00 - [140] Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 17/01/2007 15:24:48 Suggestion: Close this thread. Respect has been given to each side from both sides and the rest of the community, everything has been said. As for ]V[ and TM... They are both going part ways now... no point to add anything else. Moving on... o/ ------ Proud member of the !s I take no responsability for your paranoia ! This sig space is Read-only !

JabJabVVV Total Mayhem. Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:41:00 - [141] This is the end of the argument from the TM point of view. You evidently have your agenda; those who know us better will realise the truth - that's enough for us. Back on topic. Good fight all, It was certainly impressive seeing the big red blob on the map for almost a week. ----------- When I was a n00b, I spake as a n00b, I understood as a n00b, I thought as a n00b: but when I became pr0, I put away n00bish things.
enymphia Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 16:08:00 - [142] lock this thread? last 20 posts has been off topic
Melonne COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:08:00 - [143] Edited by: Melonne on 17/01/2007 19:05:22 I only want to thank, like fred says, "Maelstrom and Myriad for their fighting spirit and sportsmanlike behaviour during the siege". It's rare and appreciable.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 21:48:00 - [144] Originally by: mamolian You remember us Kyguard? HectiQ still has that ore he "stole" sitting in Alenia as a good luck charm.. Yeah I'd never forget hectiQ that evil ore thief. I've managed to kidnap gerku into my alliance though, he seems to get amnesia every time I remind him about Alenia.. Good luck to ya and if you're ever feeling vengeful, come visit me -
Warg Rider Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.17 21:54:00 - [145] Why did Vortex pos attack a LV carrier when before that an order was made to put the same pass on all pos and set standings to are friends? Why did the fleet commander in Maelstrom warp us in to the enemy 2 timeÆs and said he did not and it must have been a bug, something very fishy there. Before you start having a go at other corp.'s who have left start looking at whatÆs going on inside the alliance 1st and sort it out. Then you will have the rights to have a go at other cropÆs that left alliance. There are still a few corp.'s in Maelstrom who are talking about leaving because the leaderÆs donÆt know what they are doing. There one corp in Maelstrom who said they like to join TM new allianceÆs, so that showÆs some do like the way TM work. This remark in alliance chat did not go down good and was told if they or any other corp join TM the alliance will Dec them. I like to say good luck to all in TM. Thank you tcf for the big fight. I hope are alliance can learn by this and work as a team to become a good alliance.
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 22:07:00 - [146] Originally by: Warg Rider Why did Vortex pos attack a LV carrier when before that an order was made to put the same pass on all pos and set standings to are friends? Why did the fleet commander in Maelstrom warp us in to the enemy 2 timeÆs and said he did not and it must have been a bug, something very fishy there. Before you start having a go at other corp.'s who have left start looking at whatÆs going on inside the alliance 1st and sort it out. Then you will have the rights to have a go at other cropÆs that left alliance. There are still a few corp.'s in Maelstrom who are talking about leaving because the leaderÆs donÆt know what they are doing. There one corp in Maelstrom who said they like to join TM new allianceÆs, so that showÆs some do like the way TM work. This remark in alliance chat did not go down good and was told if they or any other corp join TM the alliance will Dec them. I like to say good luck to all in TM. Thank you tcf for the big fight. I hope are alliance can learn by this and work as a team to become a good alliance. and when you post with your main (mods, DISCIPLINE HIM) we will answer these _
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.01.17 23:13:00 - [147] Originally by: Kel Dario Bitter much Aaron? Actually no... I'm having a great time these days. Give me your email address and I'll send you a postcard from I-NG. Quote: He couldn't take it that we kicked out a friend of his becaus of betrayal Actually no. I left coz I was sick of incompetent leadership. I felt it best that I didnt tell the alliance at the time and incite dissent amongst the ranks, but I guess that doesnt mean anything now. I had started a new corp and planned my leaving long before that 'friend' even joined the alliance. I posted on your forums the day I found out what had happened, many weeks after the event. Quote: I guess we are doomed to have you in every thread where -M- is mentioned for the rest of our/your eve-life. Sure why not... makes work-time more interesting. see yous around ;) - Igneus Auctorita Video -
Khayman33 Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.18 01:26:00 - [148] on e sn e bat les reins de to nrespects de sous le s****ots va chier
rinseout000	Posted - 2007.01.18 01:44:00 - [149] I dont understand why Aaron would be bitter. Wanting to leave the alliance and start a corp with a few friends seems to me to be a novel way to freshen up ones game experience. To make it about anything else is just petty really. And really if we're talking about bitterness...the sour pill you guys had to swallow when u lost ur station and sovereignty is something you should bear as an alliance...dont start looking for those who left for their own reasons and blame them. As far as Laughing Bear wanting to join MC or watever happened...he probably just wanted to join a a larger alliance who wouldnt use him for his carrier alt? As a lowly bs pilot I know the cold shjoulder feeling one gets at maelstrom if u dont fly a cap ship or appear #1 on the killboard. Oh WEll, i wish DPSC all the best despite the odd threat i get in i-ng local when docking.
Lianne Luminix The Black Ops Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 01:44:00 - [150] Guys stop the *****ing please! If M members want to discus things with TM members (or the other way around) either get a room or a different thread! That said, thanks TCF for a good fight and some good lagg that gave me time to take a well deserved wee :) And i wish you good luck in cleaning the toilet from my hangar, left a nasty surprise there Lianne "thought i post a new one cos it was bound to get removed"



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