While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.

Its counterproductive to your game, and its costing you a lot of money. You have never enforced this policy yet you retain it, it is very confusing. Is it simply the cost of enforcing it? Or apathy? Or did you just print that to bait people into subbing, with them thinking "EvE can't be as harsh as people say if blatant griefing is against the rules". Or do you plan on enforcing it someday? Just wondering why a company would allow itself to hemorrhage money like that, especially after this summer.

Eagerly waiting your response, also eagerly awaiting griefer replies telling me what a bad poster I am and how what they do is either justified or not griefing.

'Blatant griefing' is a narrowly-defined term in EVE due to the mechanics of the game. I'm allowed to destroy a ship that's carrying a valuable cargo. I'm not allowed to follow him around afterward and destroy every new ship he launches.

Suicide ganking new players in rookie ships is profitable how ?

Please share your wonderful insight.

Nothing was said about ganking nubs, just ganks.

Read more rage less.

well the OP is about enforcing rules about can baiting in newbie systems.. so ?

I got a warning within about 5 minutes of flipping bait cans in a nub system when I was trying to put a stop to some bads picking on noobs. These cowards refused to fight me and instead tried to petition me as baiting noobs myself. I got it all sorted out quickly and havent seen those guys about for some time. I guess they got butthurt that they couldn't get easy kills anymore and quit.

And no, I wasn't talking about noob systems in my previous post.

If this thread is actually about baiting in noob systems, report them and watch them get banned.

If not.....

.................AND THEN KESTRELS.

oxytopes at 1500, the bad thread index is spiking across the forums, it's a crisis of market democracy~

Hmmm the csm is for representing the playerbase not for placing bad jokes into threads a player made

ooooww wait its a carebear post and the csm represents only 0.0.

Hmmm the csm is for representing the playerbase not for placing bad jokes into threads a player made

ooooww wait its a carebear post and the csm represents only 0.0.

While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.

So what if your profit is hate mail and tears?
I would say nothing is griefing then.

You show your own limited understanding of the game, actually.

Scenario A: guy suicide ganks a badger and gets a BPO ~ not griefing.

Scenario B: guy suicide ganks a badger pilot 7 times and looses money ~ griefing.

The OP was about griefing. I guess for some people its a "tiresome" task to read and understand.

You show your own limited understanding of the game, actually.

Scenario A: guy suicide ganks a badger and gets a BPO ~ not griefing.

Scenario B: guy suicide ganks a badger pilot 7 times and looses money ~ griefing.

The OP was about griefing. I guess for some people its a "tiresome" task to read and understand.

You can actually do that if you make an extortion racket. Therefore he is valid target by gameplay means.

Unless of course the aim was to stop said hauler from selling / picking up goods in said system?

Or perhaps to disrupt him from supplying his corp for with goods?

thats not profit, thats actually serious mental issue.
Altho on both sides...

Because the definition that CCP posted directly states that it is.

1. Devoting a large amount of time.
2. Malicious.
3. not profiting.

Meets all of the conditions set by CCP. No where in the definition does it say the griefers mechanic has to be an exploit.

It's kind of like collecting kill mails....another way to profit....

Unless somebody paying you for killmails or said tears and hate mails in hard cold ISKs.. i would not call it an profit.

Please sight 10 examples of this set of circumstances here and now.

Please understand that if an individual is ganking in the hope to shift prices in a certain market segment they are attempting to do it for profit. Then whether it is malicious or not becomes irrelevant.

Funny you should say that, as plenty of people have come on the forum and overtly claimed they were doing it only "for the lulz".

Secondly, "attempt" is not written or implied in the definition.

Some people value KMs over isk.

You sound mad.

Are you mad?

You can war dec a corp in hisec. The intent of the victim is irrelevant to what CCP says constitutes griefing.