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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.16 07:12:00 -
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VC goes from fighting BoB to joining an alliance that sold itself out to BoB?
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2007.01.16 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Troubadour I thought VC died like months ago. Who cares.
Clearly you cared enough to post
Alliaanna [FOR SALE]25Mill Sp Amarr Char + Hauler Alt
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Sun Takkara
Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:29:00 -
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Good luck VC and thx for the many laughs over your strange fittings "What we do in life echoes in eternity" |
Rayvonuk
Privateers
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian VC goes from fighting BoB to joining an alliance that sold itself out to BoB?
Yeah man sad to see that they would sell their souls for a few more ISK.
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Xem3d
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 15/01/2007 19:16:40
Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche Good luck in ur future n sorry to see u disband ur alliance...
But are u willing to give anymore info on why you chose to join, of all people, RISE?
I don't think you know the history between the corps that make up RISE and VC very well. They have always helped each other out and did things together from as far as I remember. The only conflict that I remember (from what someone told me when I came back to EVE) is when Shiva with KOTHFluf turned tail and joined Morsus Mihi (can't ever get the spelling right on that one) and attempted to lock down YRNJ from all other corps except for Shiva. From what I heard it didn't turn out to be a complete lockdown and the rest of the corps/alliances pretty much said FU and did what they wanted to anyways. And whatya know Shiva left VC with their own devices they went north to join the nap monkeys
ps, I beleive (not 100% sure) Shiva left VC because KOTHFluf couldn't get the rest of VC to shoot Sturmgrenadier when they placed a tower in YRNJ to show they weren't taking any crap from the likes of Fluf. Atleast from talking with some guys thats what it sounded like to me.
Edit: GL to the VC guys. See ya down south
OMG You r a funny man Keep it up
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LoKesh
Amarr SH Brotherhood R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:32:00 -
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It's good to hear from so many old friends - I'm glad to see us all thriving in our own endeavours.
Fluf, I don't want to mince words with you - flying with you and everyone else from Shiva were good times and I respect you all. But... "Although I am sad to see Vertigo Coalition disband finally, it was inevitable once Shiva and FSR and Chicago Mobsters left." That statement outlines the problem completely. Couple that with having two executor corporations quit suddenly within a month of each other and it is amazing that VC endured.
It did, however, endure - and grew quite well, even without Shiva. We based our entire alliance on the stubbornness of a few veterans, rebuilt, recruited and became more organized and focused that VC had ever been before.
As to why we'd leave before a conflict started? I'm unwilling to get into all the details (alot of them would probably make no sense to people who weren't in the situation) but I can summarize:
- Syndicate (and even OR) weren't worth fighting for on our own
- We believed we weren't quite ready to carve our own niche in a real region and that Empire=Death (D2 was already shooting us - doubtful anyone in the north would have appreciated our presence)
- "Loyal to our friends" - The truest friend we have had is RISE - they've always kept their word to us, they've sacrificed for us, they've kicked us in the ass when we needed it, they've learned to trust us and us them.
- Keeping the band together - all of VC is pretty proud of what we've accomplished, loyal to each other and we work well together. This gave us an opportunity to keep that together and be useful to a new group.
You can choose to believe it or not, but any details relating to isk/wealth/ore were just an added bonus and not part of why we made this decision.
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.16 21:20:00 -
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Much respect, LoKesh.
Frankly, the only reservation I had about leaving VC and Fountain for Tribute and Morsus Mihi was leaving the rest of VC in the lurch, so to speak. There were some good corps and good people that remained in the alliance. I admire those who remained to try to stick it out and keep Vertigo Coalition alive.
Lets face it...VC corps and some of our "friends" weren't getting along that well. Ironically, it was friends, not enemies that were making life in that part of Fountain not a lot of fun. We've even seen some of it flare up just in this thread. The outright lies (or at best, ignorance) that has been posted in this thread by some is just proof-positve that it was time for a change of scenery for all of us.
Initially, I was a little disgusted about RISE's choice to become BoB vassals. I'm still a bit disappointed, but I don't bear them (or VC or merging into RISE) any ill-will. Maybe somewhere along the line, we'll all be shooting at each other, but we'll still have a history of cooperation and friendship to look back upon, as well.
I wish you guys the best. Enjoy yourselves. That's what we're all here for.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2007.01.16 21:53:00 -
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The beauty of eve is every ending is nothing more than a new beginning.
to those i knew, good luck!
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.16 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
The beauty of eve is every ending is nothing more than a new beginning.
to those i knew, good luck!
True dat.
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Aeryn Davenport
Claflin Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.16 23:06:00 -
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I think it's always better for an alliance or corp to take pre-emptive steps for their own survival BEFORE they run into trouble. It's a common mistake to wait for the trouble to start before making a decision or getting into action. Maybe you misjudge the trouble you saw coming, maybe it gets averted for unforeseen circumstances, but at least you are being pro-active. It's always harder to tack in the middle of a storm.
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Kraven Kor
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Posted - 2007.01.16 23:19:00 -
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As ex-Sturmgrenadier, I have to say that Fluf / Shiva are trying very hard in this thread to make them look bad.
Let me tell you the story from the eyes of someone who was in SG and saw what really happened:
VC was courting SG to join them. SG would commonly have gangs of 15-30 roaming Aridia and Fountain, either harrassing HUFF (or other pirates), or harrassing Xelas. We eventually even started making runs into Delve, killing BoB haulers and other assorted Delve residents. No, we weren't "beating BoB" but they weren't exactly kicking our butts either. Basically, if we picked the engagement we'd get a few kills, if they picked it we'd lose a few ships, and this was our "arrangement" with BoB for the duration of our residence in Aridia.
BoB would occasionally send gank squads to Aridia and the "lower fountain" area that VC (and SG, and Supremacy) carebeared in, and then eventually the wardec on VC and Imperium, where they declared on SG seperately within 24 hours -- not because we were some huge threat, but just because we were part of the jumbled mess of low-sec residents that were hostile to them in the area.
VC Command would essentially blob everyone up in D4K and try to lock down the entrance to fountain, while BoB would rampage in Yahyerer or Ghekon or one of the other mission-running hubs there, killing all the "freeloaders" that KOTH Fluf was always griping about.
SG would then start chasing them around with whatever VC folks would join up with our gang, and many of the VC folks expressed how much more they enjoyed flying with SG because of how well organized SG were -- I had many conversations with VC members who had nothing but praise for SG.
SG didn't join VC because, well, KOTH Fluf was abrasive and demanding toward us. He discredited us at every opportunity, even though (in my experience) SG was by far the more effective fighting force in the area, willing to commit heavy assets (as were many Imperium pilots, and some of VC) to roving patrols and gank squads. VC pilots and other Aridia residents would be getting picked off in Aridia while the VC fleet sat in D4k and waited.
We constantly had accusations of various sorts coming at us, directly or via the rumor mill, and discussion on the SG forums was pretty much that we didn't like being treated that way. We had tons of unreasonable requests -- like telling us we couldn't mine or rat in YRNJ, even though it was largely SG forces actually engaging the roving BoB gank-squads that plagued the area. We liked most of the people and corps in VC, we just weren't willing to be led by KOTH Fluf, not on the sake of competence, but on the attitude he had towards us. Hell, he even yelled at us once that we were risking too many expensive ships or some garbage (you can't beat BoB in T1 Frig / Cruiser gangs, dude.)
So, the rumor of the war-dec came in. SG had already been negotiating with FA, and the RISE merger of FA and NORAD was already in the works.
So, fellate yourself all you want, but SG joined FA more out of hope for the RISE merger than out of any fear from VC. We were not looking forward to a war with VC, but that was mostly out of respect for our friends in VC than out of any abject fear over the war dec.
Also, note that bullying a corp who can field a gang larger than most of your alliance gangs is a bit brash.
KOTH Fluf, you were a difficult man to work with and I for one am happy that I'm no longer in SG and hence allowed to tell you so.
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.16 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kraven Kor Edited by: Kraven Kor on 16/01/2007 23:25:40 As ex-Sturmgrenadier, I have to say that Fluf (edit: apologies, Oree, I hadn't linked you to Shiva when reading your posts), at least, is trying very hard in this thread to make them look bad.
Let me tell you the story from the eyes of someone who was in SG and saw what really happened:
VC was courting SG to join them. SG would commonly have gangs of 15-30 roaming Aridia and Fountain, either harrassing HUFF (or other pirates), or harrassing Xelas. We eventually even started making runs into Delve, killing BoB haulers and other assorted Delve residents. No, we weren't "beating BoB" but they weren't exactly kicking our butts either. Basically, if we picked the engagement we'd get a few kills, if they picked it we'd lose a few ships, and this was our "arrangement" with BoB for the duration of our residence in Aridia.
BoB would occasionally send gank squads to Aridia and the "lower fountain" area that VC (and SG, and Supremacy) carebeared in, and then eventually the wardec on VC and Imperium, where they declared on SG seperately within 24 hours -- not because we were some huge threat, but just because we were part of the jumbled mess of low-sec residents that were hostile to them in the area.
VC Command would essentially blob everyone up in D4K and try to lock down the entrance to fountain, while BoB would rampage in Yahyerer or Ghekon or one of the other mission-running hubs there, killing all the "freeloaders" that KOTH Fluf was always griping about.
SG would then start chasing them around with whatever VC folks would join up with our gang, and many of the VC folks expressed how much more they enjoyed flying with SG because of how well organized SG were -- I had many conversations with VC members who had nothing but praise for SG.
SG didn't join VC because, well, KOTH Fluf was abrasive and demanding toward us. He discredited us at every opportunity, even though (in my experience) SG was by far the more effective fighting force in the area, willing to commit heavy assets (as were many Imperium pilots, and some of VC) to roving patrols and gank squads. VC pilots and other Aridia residents would be getting picked off in Aridia while the VC fleet sat in D4k and waited.
We constantly had accusations of various sorts coming at us, directly or via the rumor mill, and discussion on the SG forums was pretty much that we didn't like being treated that way. We had tons of unreasonable requests -- like telling us we couldn't mine or rat in YRNJ, even though it was largely SG forces actually engaging the roving BoB gank-squads that plagued the area. We liked most of the people and corps in VC, we just weren't willing to be led by KOTH Fluf, not on the sake of competence, but on the attitude he had towards us. Hell, he even yelled at us once that we were risking too many expensive ships or some garbage (you can't beat BoB in T1 Frig / Cruiser gangs, dude.)
So, the rumor of the war-dec came in. SG had already been negotiating with FA, and the RISE merger of FA and NORAD was already in the works.
So, fellate yourself all you want, but SG joined FA more out of hope for the RISE merger than out of any fear from VC. We were not looking forward to a war with VC, but that was mostly out of respect for our friends in VC than out of any abject fear over the war dec.
Also, note that bullying a corp who can field a gang larger than most of your alliance gangs is a bit brash.
KOTH Fluf, you were a difficult man to work with and I for one am happy that I'm no longer in SG and hence allowed to tell you so.
Could not have put it better myself Kraven. You said all I wanted to say, but being at work and not much time to type anything cohesive contributed to my crappy replies
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Hoap
SH Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.01.17 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: KOTH Fluf
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 15/01/2007 19:16:40
Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche Good luck in ur future n sorry to see u disband ur alliance...
But are u willing to give anymore info on why you chose to join, of all people, RISE?
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Get a clue. Shiva never left VC because of Sturmgrenadier. Shiva left VC to join longterm friends in the north that actually had common interest and fight as one and allow us to grow our industry and corp in and alliance that actually works. Free-Space-Rangers also joined this alliance. Strumgrenadier had been given 3 months to join one of the local alliances down there, as had all the other single corps leeaching off the area under the protection of Shiva. These alliances being FA, VC or Imperium. This was in an effort to get people to work together in a common cause. The incident over YRNJ was a typical example of Sturms greed, selfishness and arrogance. Once confronted by Shiva and VC, they joined FA within 24hrs to avoid a war dec.
Shiva had been in negotiations with Morsus Mihi for several months before anything happened with Sturmgrenadier. We simply got tired of being the police force and protecting all the carebears in the area who wanted nothing to do but rat and mine and not defend the area or fight vs BOB and Xelas. We knew the Norad/FA merger would result in failure, which has proved out true. Rise couldnt even hold Cloud Ring vs a smaller alliance and Outbreak. Its own inside greed and usual bueracracy failing caused the best corps from Norad to leave. This can be seen now as it was Sturmgrenadier who have lead the movement to become BOB pets within Rise. They are an out of game clan that is only concerned with there own corp and only does what is in the best interest for themselves. These are the guys that BOB got a spy into long ago, and shut down there POS in Y-2NAO and cost them billions in losses. And yet a year later they are napping them. Sad.
Once Shiva left the area and moved north, it took BOB and friends only 2 months to clear out the eastern half of Fountain and Aridia. Although I am sad to see Vertigo Coalition disband finally, it was inevitable once Shiva and FSR and Chicago Mobsters left. Just sorry to see them go the way of Rise and lose all honor and dignity and the reason they were formed in the first place.
Good luck guys, you will need it.
OMFG, protecting the carebears? Policing the area? You mean whenever a 10+ bob gang came into the aridia around Hophib and 90% of the time we saw in the intel chat "Everyone dock or get SS, don't give them easy kills!" coming from you your idea of policing the area? Good work there.
how self centered can fluffy be? VC did more and was more productive without shiva then he could imagine...
I am ashamed to have been part of Kothfluffy's VC
I am more honored then can be expressed here to have been part of Lokesh's VC
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.17 16:52:00 -
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Agreed. Fluffy isn't the most diplomatic of people. He's a truly good guy (under loads of pressure), though...one who'll do just about anything for you. He's stubborn and proud, but he'll always do the right and equitable thing. Anyone who thinks differently, simply doesn't know him.
I don't recall anyone ever saying no "ratting" in YRNJ. It was "no mining" (only when the belts needed to regenerate..it was the only source of bistot for several jumps) and no non-VC POS (without prior permission) in YRNJ (a rule Sturmgrenadiers broke apparently, from SG forum postings sent to us by an SG member, with the full intention of forcing a conflict...from which they then backed down and removed said POS). Any other assertions are just false--- likely as a result of people (some with axes to grind) thinking they knew what was going on, but not really knowing.
Keep in mind...that area was overflowing with people all wanting to use very limited resources. Tempers were bound to flare and they did. Let's not act like SG's crap didn't stink, as well. Everyone was complicit in the way things went in Fountain. However, when push came to shove, we tended to get things worked out and managed to work together when we needed to.
I could dish out a lot more factual information, but I think it's best this just drops right here. Frankly, I doubt anyone other than ex-VC even care.
I'll just say that I find it amazing how differently people recollect their time in (or around) VC.
VC started out as a pretty cool idea and was fun for a while, but lots of things occurred that doomed it to failure. For my part, I was pretty jaded with the alliance after only three or four months months of its existance.
Good luck to SG. Good luck to the ex-VC....good luck to RISE. I once counted you among friends and allies and I certainly bear none of you any ill-will. We're all doing what we think is best for our continued prosperity and fun.
Happy trails, guys...
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Garrard
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.17 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kraven Kor Edited by: Kraven Kor on 16/01/2007 23:25:40 As ex-Sturmgrenadier, I have to say that Fluf (edit: apologies, Oree, I hadn't linked you to Shiva when reading your posts), at least, is trying very hard in this thread to make them look bad.
uhmm well I think it was a) an x- SG trying to make SG look bad, cuase that there below got some attention. as for the rest of your delusions of that period of time. unless it was led by either an IMP or VC FC not much of SG was doing much of anything vs. Robert. Sobic comes to mind he was always out there with us. killing the odd NPC'r in outer rings or delve does not a formidable oponent make. Originally by: buxaroo
when Shiva with KOTHFluf turned tail and joined Morsus Mihi (can't ever get the spelling right on that one) --stuff-- ps, I beleive (not 100% sure) Shiva left VC because KOTHFluf couldn't get the rest of VC to shoot Sturmgrenadier when they placed a tower in YRNJ to show they weren't taking any crap from the likes of Fluf. Atleast from talking with some guys thats what it sounded like to me.
up till that pretty sure most of would have just said good luck, happy trails etc.. but oh well such is the trials and tribulations of eve.
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Garrard
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.17 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hoap
how self centered can fluffy be? VC did more and was more productive without shiva then he could imagine...
I am ashamed to have been part of Kothfluffy's VC
I am more honored then can be expressed here to have been part of Lokesh's VC
Well you wern't really all that active a part of our little thingy now were you. hey i guess if you call losing your home, and then losing your leadership, and then napping your supposedly biggest and baddest enemy is productive? who am I to argue?
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NAFnist
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.17 20:44:00 -
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Remnants of the fountain area showing their true colors here. I cant blame shiva for leaving as we once did. Was a mess then and sure sounds like it never changed for the better.
I kinda liked sh and sturm until this thread and investigating alittle.
Originally by: Kraven Kor Edited by: Kraven Kor on 16/01/2007 23:25:40We eventually even started making runs into Delve, killing BoB haulers and other assorted Delve residents. No, we weren't "beating BoB" but they weren't exactly kicking our butts either. Basically, if we picked the engagement we'd get a few kills, if they picked it we'd lose a few ships, and this was our "arrangement" with BoB for the duration of our residence in Aridia.
lol, your achievements are shown on bob killboard. How long is it you've lived upthere. lol. - Regards NAFnist |
Kraven Kor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.17 22:16:00 -
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Meh, whatever, I'm done with this.
We all keep posting to try and prove who is right and who is wrong and we are all apparently equally deluded based on our perspective during the events.
I still stand by my statements, even though nothing I say here will change anyone's opinion. Suffice it to say that I know I speak the truth of how things went down from my perspective and really can't watch people post utter BS about the best corp I've ever been a member of. So think what you will.
I apologize to SG and VC pilots, as my comments are directed to a very few detractors amongst this thread. I don't mean to cast an ill light on any party other than the individuals my arguments are trying to refute.
----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker |
Duke Galadrien
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.17 22:55:00 -
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Welcome to the family VC! It's good to have you with us. |
Hoap
SH Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.01.18 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Garrard
Originally by: Hoap
how self centered can fluffy be? VC did more and was more productive without shiva then he could imagine...
I am ashamed to have been part of Kothfluffy's VC
I am more honored then can be expressed here to have been part of Lokesh's VC
Well you wern't really all that active a part of our little thingy now were you. hey i guess if you call losing your home, and then losing your leadership, and then napping your supposedly biggest and baddest enemy is productive? who am I to argue?
i was there from before the was a VC... before the was a shiva. as for "losing" our home. we made our choice just as shiva made theres
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Slaze Cobane
Blood Brotherz
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Posted - 2007.01.18 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: dokkillo Edited by: dokkillo on 15/01/2007 21:02:07 Edited by: dokkillo on 15/01/2007 20:59:27 Edited by: dokkillo on 15/01/2007 20:58:12 Edited by: dokkillo on 15/01/2007 20:57:23
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Ceratin
ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:07:00 -
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So what happened to the alliance created to stand against bob? Nice moral.. let's u-turn on it? ------------
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:19:00 -
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tell me ceratin, whhat are u playing eve for, and why did your alliance join d2?
now think about where vertigo stood along time, and what options they have available now in rise. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.18 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ceratin So what happened to the alliance created to stand against bob? Nice moral.. let's u-turn on it?
Why don't you D2 guys put your isk where your mouth is and come and take on BoB. Sense D2 are supposedly the "good guys" and all I figured you would be doing something about it.
VC and FA and the other corps/alliances in the Fountain area have stood up to BoB more than you wannabees ever had or will. But I think most of them have seen the light and seen that BoB aren't the dishonorable alliance that everyone makes them out to be.
But they sure as hell figured out who the real enemy is......
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dhan Vertigo Coalition was left with a bunch of stubborn guys who just wouldn't give up.
errm they just did
I hope you are happy to wait your turn in the ratting fields of Feyth, I have never seen so many Ravens scrabbling for a belt to call their own
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NAFnist
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo But I think most of them have seen the light and seen that BoB aren't the dishonorable alliance that everyone makes them out to be.
well, i dont think anyone saying bob is dishonorable... they are just evil hehe - Regards NAFnist |
Xem3d
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Ceratin So what happened to the alliance created to stand against bob? Nice moral.. let's u-turn on it?
Why don't you D2 guys put your isk where your mouth is and come and take on BoB. Sense D2 are supposedly the "good guys" and all I figured you would be doing something about it.
VC and FA and the other corps/alliances in the Fountain area have stood up to BoB more than you wannabees ever had or will. But I think most of them have seen the light and seen that BoB aren't the dishonorable alliance that everyone makes them out to be.
But they sure as hell figured out who the real enemy is......
LOL U sold out Way to go
and PS BOB know where D2 are
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Schneiderr
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.18 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo Sense D2 are supposedly the "good guys" and all I figured you would be doing something about it. ...
i am not a good guy nor want to be, now stop it ignoramus.
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Fogy
Caldari TOUAREGS
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Posted - 2007.01.18 16:50:00 -
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Beeing in Rubra who started VC together with Damage Industries, and (iirc) with some of the corporations that merged into shiva.. VC should have been disbanded when Shiva left.. as all the main starting members were more or less gone by then. But better late than newer i gues.. :)
seeing theyr joining Rise now, is abit odd as i see it.. since VC was created to fight people like BoB in the first plase.. Maby this shows my first point about VC should have been disbanded long time ago.
Good call on disbanding it anyways. VC used to be lotts of fun back in the days!
Cheers! Fogy I nerfed my siggie.. :( "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.18 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Buxaroo on 18/01/2007 17:27:15
Originally by: Xem3d
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Ceratin So what happened to the alliance created to stand against bob? Nice moral.. let's u-turn on it?
Why don't you D2 guys put your isk where your mouth is and come and take on BoB. Sense D2 are supposedly the "good guys" and all I figured you would be doing something about it.
VC and FA and the other corps/alliances in the Fountain area have stood up to BoB more than you wannabees ever had or will. But I think most of them have seen the light and seen that BoB aren't the dishonorable alliance that everyone makes them out to be.
But they sure as hell figured out who the real enemy is......
LOL U sold out Way to go
and PS BOB know where D2 are
Nah, I didn't sell out I created my small corp Black Dwarf and moved my guys out to Omist aligned with LV. I was having fun and my corp was tight (that happens when you have RL friends in the corp) and I have had offers to join up with several other alliances. I could have taken up resident in a lot of other areas that are a lot more friendly as far as making isk is concerned.
In omist of course, we always had lots of visitors, but COIN+friends were the most fun (when I was there) and we had some good fights, sometimes we got gang banged, other times we were the gangbangers. Was damn good fun and the smack was non-existant (I made sure my gang mates didn't smack and they didn't either, although we had some funny convos in local). I was given an offer, and considered it for a bit, wanted to see how my corp mates felt about it (none of them had any experience fighting BoB and their friends except for me) and we did a vote and 90% wanted to make the move.
Not because we wanted it easy (get just as many gankers in Delve area as any other, although it is changing very quickly) but because we wanted someone who was organized and diciplined and dedicated as much as we were to EVE.
There is an old Vulcan proverb: Only Nixon could go to China
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