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Darkrio Blake Industries Silent Infinity 0	Posted - 2015.12.16 19:16:44 - [1] - Quote hello guys ive got something to say about standings 1.when i started playing eve the first time i never knew about standing issues with other nations sinds i just wanted combat and did missions for combat 2.Im a minmatar pilot did alot of lvl 4 missions accepting all except the ones going into null sec i had no idea that doing missions against ammar navy would **** up my standing so bad 3. New system for standing issues with factions gallente minmatar ammar and caldari i would like to see that u can stil dock in their systems but players fighting for any of the facttions the are allowed to atack you in their space with out any penalty i think that will balance it out much more and for new players to join any side with out getting to many harsh problems only beying killed by somebody of the opposite faction 4.I want this sinds i just joined provi air space and thats ammar region and everytime i go high sec the silly ammar navy tries to kil me i think this has to be adjusted this has to be player only 5. Pls change the tempest design eve exist almost for 10 years or more come on !!!! slasher come on remove design new one pls thats all peace out i hope you guys can understand it :) xD
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 510	Posted - 2015.12.16 20:00:30 - [2] - Quote So first off, to fix your getting shot issue, train up diplomacy. Personally I have it to level 3 and it has a fairly good affect on your effective standings for the NPCs that don't like the ships you fly. You need to get above -5.00 so you don't get shot. Secondly, unless CCP introduced a newbro guide with all the fancy tutorial missions, they should add in something for the newbro to explain the basics of standings. Even adding a popup dialog when you are approaching the -2.00 and the -5.00 mark would go a long way. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2163	Posted - 2015.12.16 20:08:57 - [3] - Quote Hopelesshobo wrote: Secondly, unless CCP introduced a newbro guide with all the fancy tutorial missions, they should add in something for the newbro to explain the basics of standings. Even adding a popup dialog when you are approaching the -2.00 and the -5.00 mark would go a long way. You mean something like this or if you would use the gray goo to think also this. The magic word here is THINK. Everything is already explained somewhere. What people need to do, is think before you act. The OP acted before he thought about it -- he mindlessly indulged in combat, slaughtered thousands of Amarr Navy personnel and Amarr people and expects that no harm is done to his notoriety towards the Amarr Empire. Literally every other game punishes you as well if you attack friends or people of a faction (I've seen this in Witcher 3 a couple of times already). The only difference is that in most other games you can just get out of sight for a bit to make guards of people forget you (like in Witcher); in EVE, you have to live with your sins and repent -- as it should be. Now stop complaining about your own lack of intelligence and get the L1 mission grind on, fool. No, it has not to be adjusted. No, it has not to be players-only. If it was players-only, you could fly around unchecked and undisturbed because there are simply not enough players around to police every corner of High sec for fools like you. High sec is Empire space and therefore policed by the Empire police and military forces. If you want player policed space, stay in Providence or Null/Low sec and don't go into space where you are being hunted by the police due to your crimes. You can work on repenting your sins in the low sec areas around Providence and work your standing back into the positives there. The Tempest design was updated a short while ago, which also has been mentioned in various places on the internet. Do you even know what Google is? UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 510	Posted - 2015.12.16 20:28:15 - [4] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Hopelesshobo wrote: Secondly, unless CCP introduced a newbro guide with all the fancy tutorial missions, they should add in something for the newbro to explain the basics of standings. Even adding a popup dialog when you are approaching the -2.00 and the -5.00 mark would go a long way. You mean something like this or if you would use the gray goo to think also this. The magic word here is THINK. Everything is already explained somewhere. What people need to do, is think before you act. The OP acted before he thought about it -- he mindlessly indulged in combat, slaughtered thousands of Amarr Navy personnel and Amarr people and expects that no harm is done to his notoriety towards the Amarr Empire. Literally every other game punishes you as well if you attack friends or people of a faction (I've seen this in Witcher 3 a couple of times already). The only difference is that in most other games you can just get out of sight for a bit to make guards of people forget you (like in Witcher); in EVE, you have to live with your sins and repent -- as it should be. Now stop complaining about your own lack of intelligence and get the L1 mission grind on, fool. Google, EveUni and the Eve Wiki are all great resources for specific detailed information on anything Eve related. But its terrible if that's the solution to everything in Eve. The client itself should give the basics and lay the foundation for players, and if they want more detailed information, THEN they go to those places. Face it, how many newbros in any game only google and look up things after they already screwed something up. I'm all for having to sleep in the bed that you made, but not telling the person to begin with that the gasoline you just gave them is flammable is the wrong answer. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2163	Posted - 2015.12.16 20:43:54 - [5] - Quote You shoot another nation's military forces. What exactly does the game need to tell you that you realize that you will face some consequences and better inform yourself about the consequences before you start shooting the military of another nation. Being a capsuleer is not an excuse for daftness. If someone hands you gasoline (a mission against another High sec empire faction) and you set it on fire (shoot this High sec empire faction's military) knowing that it is gasoline (the mission states explicitly that you are going to shoot another High sec empire faction's assets), you are beyond help and even popups won't help you. UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 510	Posted - 2015.12.16 20:59:24 - [6] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: You shoot another nation's military forces. What exactly does the game need to tell you that you realize that you will face some consequences and better inform yourself about the consequences before you start shooting the military of another nation. Being a capsuleer is not an excuse for daftness. If someone hands you gasoline (a mission against another High sec empire faction) and you set it on fire (shoot this High sec empire faction's military) knowing that it is gasoline (the mission states explicitly that you are going to shoot another High sec empire faction's assets), you are beyond help and even popups won't help you. So by that argument, CCP should get rid of the pop up dialog box that says you are about to enter low/nulsec, and they should also get rid of the safety system as well. Things that might seem obvious to bittervets with this how the game works, doesn't always click with newbros, especially since missions are usually the first or second thing most people do in the game (Mining usually ahead of missions). Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2163	Posted - 2015.12.16 21:56:05 - [7] - Quote Considering that most people just click "Don't Show Again", it could very well go away. vOv These things are not obvious to this contemporary kind of new player. I started reading and asking about what my falling Minmatar standing would mean for me if I continued to shoot Minmatar. And I read about the consequences of low faction standings. And I fixed my low faction standings towards Minmatar. I expect people to do the same and not just yolo around having "fun" and then complain when the fun is over and the consequences kick their butts and grab their nuts. I have absolutely no sympathy or understanding for this kind of new players, neither in EVE nor in any other game or environment. UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Amarisen Gream Divine Demise Apocalypse Now. 176	Posted - 2015.12.16 22:01:25 - [8] - Quote A few months back - probably on the six month margin - A CCP Dev, spoke about how they as a company do not like the current player bs NPC standing system. They do not feel it is good game design to allow players to have happy standings with all the empires. I wish I knew the post, but I. Believe they said they would be looking at changing the system once all the next major features get worked on - Citadels and other structures, more Corp/Alliance stuff. "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1 DIDE- is open to new members
Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2163	Posted - 2015.12.16 22:10:49 - [9] - Quote Amarisen Gream wrote: A few months back - probably on the six month margin - A CCP Dev, spoke about how they as a company do not like the current player bs NPC standing system. They do not feel it is good game design to allow players to have happy standings with all the empires. I wish I knew the post, but I. Believe they said they would be looking at changing the system once all the next major features get worked on - Citadels and other structures, more Corp/Alliance stuff. It was probably the post/o7 show about the NPC convoys. I remember having heard them talk about standings and NPC relations there. UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Paul Pohl blue media poetry 62	Posted - 2015.12.17 01:52:07 - [10] - Quote I think the standings system works well and would like to see the principle extended to security status I understand the OPs frustration with regard to moving out of Providence, but that is more an argument for more regions like Providence than there being something wrong with Amarr disliking the OP

Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 510	Posted - 2015.12.17 02:35:59 - [11] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Considering that most people just click "Don't Show Again", it could very well go away. vOv That's why I threw out there to simply add in a dialog box for when you approach the -2.00 and -5.00 mark because for the bitter vets, you click do not show again, but for the newbro, it gets them to ask why this dialog box popped up and to utilize the 3rd party sites to get a more detailed explanation. Plus it would probably take 5 minutes to add each dialog box, its not like it would take up alot of dev time. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Paul Pohl blue media poetry 69	Posted - 2015.12.17 03:28:08 - [12] - Quote Hopelesshobo wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Considering that most people just click "Don't Show Again", it could very well go away. vOv That's why I threw out there to simply add in a dialog box for when you approach the -2.00 and -5.00 mark because for the bitter vets, you click do not show again, but for the newbro, it gets them to ask why this dialog box popped up and to utilize the 3rd party sites to get a more detailed explanation. Plus it would probably take 5 minutes to add each dialog box, its not like it would take up alot of dev time. No it doesn't Getting shot by the faction might get them to look at 3rd party sites either it's a sandbox or it's not - you can't go into x faction space? make another plan or grind out the missions with the faction to make it so you can - if it is so important that you have to go into their space
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 510	Posted - 2015.12.17 05:26:04 - [13] - Quote Paul Pohl wrote: No it doesn't Getting shot by the faction might get them to look at 3rd party sites either it's a sandbox or it's not - you can't go into x faction space? make another plan or grind out the missions with the faction to make it so you can - if it is so important that you have to go into their space So the solution is to let the newbros screw themselves over without knowing, and to realize how long it will take to correct their mistake, and decide its not worth it and go play something else? Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Iain Cariaba 2198	Posted - 2015.12.17 10:19:37 - [14] - Quote Hopelesshobo wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: No it doesn't Getting shot by the faction might get them to look at 3rd party sites either it's a sandbox or it's not - you can't go into x faction space? make another plan or grind out the missions with the faction to make it so you can - if it is so important that you have to go into their space So the solution is to let the newbros screw themselves over without knowing, and to realize how long it will take to correct their mistake, and decide its not worth it and go play something else? Oh, please. It took me less than two days of normal game play to work my standings with the caldari up from -10.0 back to where I could once again undock in Jita without facpo constantly chasing me around. First off, it's not difficult to repair faction standings. Second, it's not really time consuming to repair faction standings. Thirdly, it's not hard to find out how to repair faction standings. Rubbing two brain cells together will allow you to figure out how to find a standings repair plan using google. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Amarisen Gream Divine Demise Apocalypse Now. 178	Posted - 2015.12.17 11:07:37 - [15] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Amarisen Gream wrote: A few months back - probably on the six month margin - A CCP Dev, spoke about how they as a company do not like the current player bs NPC standing system. They do not feel it is good game design to allow players to have happy standings with all the empires. I wish I knew the post, but I. Believe they said they would be looking at changing the system once all the next major features get worked on - Citadels and other structures, more Corp/Alliance stuff. It was probably the post/o7 show about the NPC convoys. I remember having heard them talk about standings and NPC relations there. Thank you! Glad someone one else knows what I am talking about. CCP will address the standings system, when they do. Currently, it seems like most of the Dev time is being spent on getting the game ready for the Citadel Expansion. December Patch, is going to probably be the last major patch tell the expansion, while the others will just clean up system mechanics, balance a few more ships. "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1 DIDE- is open to new members
Mike Voidstar Voidstar Free Flight Foundation 1083	Posted - 2015.12.17 11:12:37 - [16] - Quote All things being equal, there is a glimmer of real complaint here. This information should be communicated in game, preferably in a manner that isn't immersion breaking. Having to go to outside websites is bad, even when run by CCP. With the toxic nature of EvE's playerbase, having to go to 3rd party websites for basic gameplay information is downright idiotic game design. It's time to design EVE as a game again, and stop letting emergence be the whole of the law. Some things should just simply be available.
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance 227	Posted - 2015.12.17 11:34:40 - [17] - Quote to balance out the standings without destroying your hard work with your present one do missions for corps that have a positive standing to everyone. I believe sisters of eve is one of the groups that it works with.
Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2167	Posted - 2015.12.17 15:19:23 - [18] - Quote Mike Voidstar wrote: Having to go to outside websites is bad, even when run by CCP. With the toxic nature of EvE's playerbase, having to go to 3rd party websites for basic gameplay information is downright idiotic game design. The EVE Wiki is not a third party website. And the information are available if you use your brain, as demonstrated in the gasoline analogy. UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Nyalnara The Unchained Club 196	Posted - 2015.12.17 16:42:43 - [19] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Mike Voidstar wrote: Having to go to outside websites is bad, even when run by CCP. With the toxic nature of EvE's playerbase, having to go to 3rd party websites for basic gameplay information is downright idiotic game design. The EVE Wiki is not a third party website. And the information are available if you use your brain, as demonstrated in the gasoline analogy. Also, EveUni Wiki may be a third party site, but it's way far from what i'd call "toxic". By the way, whatever 3rdPS is providing information is pretty much the antithesis of toxic, because it is done withe the intent of helping... French half-noob. CEO of [.TUC.] The Unchained Club Founder of [DEUPP] Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions In case of ponies, keep calm and start running.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9795	Posted - 2015.12.18 01:02:25 - [20] - Quote Darkrio wrote: hello guys ive got something to say about standings Well, clear my ******* schedule, because Darkrio's got something to say! ... Your ignorance is no justification for changing the system. Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log

Andrew Indy POS Party 142	Posted - 2015.12.18 08:04:33 - [21] - Quote I agree that having some sort of notifications would be a good idea. DOnt make is crazyly intrusive. Quote: The EVE Wiki is not a third party website. And the information are available if you use your brain, as demonstrated in the gasoline analogy. Do you use that same methodology with all of the games you play? Do you buy a game and then spend the next few weeks reading all of the guides ect and trawling the interwebs for ways you may stuff up and only then play? As a newbie you are inherently stupid (at the game), telling newbs to not be newbs is a bit pointless. Quote: If someone hands you gasoline (a mission against another High sec empire faction) and you set it on fire (shoot this High sec empire faction's military) knowing that it is gasoline (the mission states explicitly that you are going to shoot another High sec empire faction's assets), you are beyond help and even popups won't help you. What about derived standings? Its not overly intuitive for newbs. Throw Gasoline on Bob and suddenly you are friends with Jill and enemies with Jim and unless you drill down into each faction and agent its not stated in the mission at all. Also I'm pretty sure CPP has said that the don't like people having to leave the client to get information, that's why they are looking at integrating EFT functionality into eve.
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 517	Posted - 2015.12.18 18:01:03 - [22] - Quote Andrew Indy wrote: What about derived standings? Its not overly intuitive for newbs. Throw Gasoline on Bob and suddenly you are friends with Jill and enemies with Jim and unless you drill down into each faction and agent its not stated in the mission at all. Also I'm pretty sure CPP has said that the don't like people having to leave the client to get information, that's why they are looking at integrating EFT functionality into eve. A potential here could be to change the standings portion of it in the info window of the factions to a percent factor instead of seeing Amarr Empire > Caldari State +5.00 change it to Amarr Empire > Caldari State +50% It would probably make it a bit more sense when you first look at it to see that if I gain 1% standings with the Amarr, I should gain 0.5% standings with the Caldari. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Alexis Nightwish 374	Posted - 2015.12.18 18:21:18 - [23] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: ...if you would use the gray goo to think...The magic word here is THINK....Now stop complaining about your own lack of intelligence and get the L1 mission grind on, fool. Iain Cariaba wrote: Rubbing two brain cells together will allow you to figure out how to find a standings repair plan using google. Rivr Luzade wrote: And the information are available if you use your brain, as demonstrated in the gasoline analogy. Bumblefck wrote: Your ignorance is no justification for changing the system. I think I'm starting to see why new player retention is low when people like you treat new players like **** for being new. Additionally, just because information is available external to the game, that is not an excuse to not explain it within the game. CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge EVE Online's "I win!" Button Fixing bombs, not the bombers
Iain Cariaba 2203	Posted - 2015.12.18 19:10:45 - [24] - Quote Alexis Nightwish wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: ...if you would use the gray goo to think...The magic word here is THINK....Now stop complaining about your own lack of intelligence and get the L1 mission grind on, fool. Iain Cariaba wrote: Rubbing two brain cells together will allow you to figure out how to find a standings repair plan using google. Rivr Luzade wrote: And the information are available if you use your brain, as demonstrated in the gasoline analogy. Bumblefck wrote: Your ignorance is no justification for changing the system. I think I'm starting to see why new player retention is low when people like you treat new players like **** for being new. Additionally, just because information is available external to the game, that is not an excuse to not explain it within the game. I expect nothing of new players that I haven't done myself. EvE is hard. EvE is harsh, cold, and cruel. Those that fit well in this game, be they newbies or bittervets, recognize and appreciate this. Critical thinking and problem solving skills are the most useful tools you can ever get for EvE. If you need the system to hold your hand as you make your way through the game, then this is not the game for you. There is no shame in this, the shame comes from trying to turn EvE into Carebear Wonderland. Sure, OP's idea alone wouldn't instantly turn EvE into this, but, if CCP were to implement every idea that someone using your thought process suggested, then we woukd quickly lose the essence of that which is EvE. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Mike Voidstar Voidstar Free Flight Foundation 1100	Posted - 2015.12.19 06:44:03 - [25] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: I expect nothing of new players that I haven't done myself. EvE is hard. EvE is harsh, cold, and cruel. Those that fit well in this game, be they newbies or bittervets, recognize and appreciate this. Critical thinking and problem solving skills are the most useful tools you can ever get for EvE. If you need the system to hold your hand as you make your way through the game, then this is not the game for you. There is no shame in this, the shame comes from trying to turn EvE into Carebear Wonderland. Sure, OP's idea alone wouldn't instantly turn EvE into this, but, if CCP were to implement every idea that someone using your thought process suggested, then we woukd quickly lose the essence of that which is EvE. You should try to apply some of those critical thinking skills to what should and should not be standard information available in game. The only unique thing in EvE is how you are allowed to apply what you know. It's not hand holding to show a mason a pile of bricks, mortar mix and a pile of tools before sendmail ing him to work. It's not hand holding to explain the rules of the game to a new player either.
Iain Cariaba 2211	Posted - 2015.12.19 08:35:19 - [26] - Quote Mike Voidstar wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: I expect nothing of new players that I haven't done myself. EvE is hard. EvE is harsh, cold, and cruel. Those that fit well in this game, be they newbies or bittervets, recognize and appreciate this. Critical thinking and problem solving skills are the most useful tools you can ever get for EvE. If you need the system to hold your hand as you make your way through the game, then this is not the game for you. There is no shame in this, the shame comes from trying to turn EvE into Carebear Wonderland. Sure, OP's idea alone wouldn't instantly turn EvE into this, but, if CCP were to implement every idea that someone using your thought process suggested, then we woukd quickly lose the essence of that which is EvE. You should try to apply some of those critical thinking skills to what should and should not be standard information available in game. The only unique thing in EvE is how you are allowed to apply what you know. It's not hand holding to show a mason a pile of bricks, mortar mix and a pile of tools before sendmail ing him to work. It's not hand holding to explain the rules of the game to a new player either. If it were difficult to find the information, I might agree with you. However, it's rather simple to locate the information, and failing to do so, rather easy to remedy the consequences of not knowing. Your analogy of a mason is rather misleading in this instance. A better analogy would be obtaining a university degree. Yes, you are provided some information, but you are still required to study, research, and learn on your own. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 517	Posted - 2015.12.19 09:01:29 - [27] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: If it were difficult to find the information, I might agree with you. However, it's rather simple to locate the information, and failing to do so, rather easy to remedy the consequences of not knowing. Your analogy of a mason is rather misleading in this instance. A better analogy would be obtaining a university degree. Yes, you are provided some information, but you are still required to study, research, and learn on your own. Easy for who? For us, the people who have been playing the game for years? Or to the guy that is still on a trial account and still looks for the undock button every time he tries to undock? So you are against adding at a minimum, of 2 dialog boxes when someone hits -2.00 and -5.00 standings warning them that if they continue running missions against this faction, bad things will happen. You see, the game should have the most basic information about the game, in the game itself as you experience something new. If you want detailed information, at that point you should have to go to a website. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Iain Cariaba 2211	Posted - 2015.12.19 09:10:21 - [28] - Quote Hopelesshobo wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: If it were difficult to find the information, I might agree with you. However, it's rather simple to locate the information, and failing to do so, rather easy to remedy the consequences of not knowing. Your analogy of a mason is rather misleading in this instance. A better analogy would be obtaining a university degree. Yes, you are provided some information, but you are still required to study, research, and learn on your own. Easy for who? For us, the people who have been playing the game for years? Or to the guy that is still on a trial account and still looks for the undock button every time he tries to undock? So you are against adding at a minimum, of 2 dialog boxes when someone hits -2.00 and -5.00 standings warning them that if they continue running missions against this faction, bad things will happen. You see, the game should have the most basic information about the game, in the game itself as you experience something new. If you want detailed information, at that point you should have to go to a website. First off, a -2.0 standing with a faction is irrelevant. A -2.0 security status has penalties, but standins with a corp are meaningless at this stage. Secondly, by the time a "new player" reaches -5.0 standing with any faction, they should know that most information for the game is provided out of game. It takes a while to drop to -5.0 standing unless you're involved in FW, so your imaginary trial account player simply doesn't need the warning. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 517	Posted - 2015.12.19 09:16:53 - [29] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: First off, a -2.0 standing with a faction is irrelevant. A -2.0 security status has penalties, but standins with a corp are meaningless at this stage. Secondly, by the time a "new player" reaches -5.0 standing with any faction, they should know that most information for the game is provided out of game. It takes a while to drop to -5.0 standing unless you're involved in FW, so your imaginary trial account player simply doesn't need the warning. -2.00 factions standings means you cannot do anything more then level 1 missions for that faction. And do you think there are not new players that basically stumble into FW? Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Iain Cariaba 2214	Posted - 2015.12.19 09:49:49 - [30] - Quote Hopelesshobo wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: First off, a -2.0 standing with a faction is irrelevant. A -2.0 security status has penalties, but standins with a corp are meaningless at this stage. Secondly, by the time a "new player" reaches -5.0 standing with any faction, they should know that most information for the game is provided out of game. It takes a while to drop to -5.0 standing unless you're involved in FW, so your imaginary trial account player simply doesn't need the warning. -2.00 factions standings means you cannot do anything more then level 1 missions for that faction. And do you think there are not new players that basically stumble into FW? Yes, and if you decide to go start doing missions for those factions that you have -2.0 standings with, guess what level missions you're going to start with anyway? Sure there are new players that stumble into FW. There are also vets in FW that can provide information on what's going on. And, once again, it's not like it's hard or time consuming to repair your standings with any given faction. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?



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