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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.12.19 07:59:03 -
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Bobman Smith wrote:A T3 BS will be just as welcomed. But I will bet you if and when a T3 BS is released, it will start OP. If you ever notice, all new features implemented in any game usually always comes out OP till we the players have enough real world time so the developers can dial them in. I'm sure this will be true too, just got to give CCP some time to do their tweaks.
Its been years now and t3 cruisers are still horrendously overpowered, we don't need anti-everything battleships.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.12.19 11:05:58 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote: Isn't one of the main weaknesses of a battleship, a weakness to smaller faster ships of EVE a core thing?
That's the reason why cruisers are so effective right now anyways. They apply well enough to frigs and dessies but they tank enough to out last them generally, while they are faster and small enough to mitigate most of the Battleships DPS. T3's just amplify it to an extravagant level.
It's like your asking for a really really big cruiser. Yeah it would take care of T3's being a problem but itself would take it's place. A Versatile ship capable of doing everything moderately effectively at once. It didn't work T3's it didn't work with T3D's why would work with a T3BS?
Although I love see new stuff added to the game, CCP REALLY needs to work on making changes for current balances. T3's got a bit of a pass, but as side from the Tengu getting a rather good Balance pass, they all still need help. IMO that should be the priority right now.
I have been saying it for years but if people really think battleships need help to make them viable in their eyes then the thing you need to do is whack t3 cruisers several times with the nerf bat. Buffing battleships to take on t3 cruisers will simply result in very overpowered battleships.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.12.20 11:25:46 -
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Daniela Doran wrote: Before any new BSs are added, CCP needs to do something (anything) for T2 BCs.
Nerf t3 and t2 BC are fixed too. Infact most hull balance issues are fixed by nerfing t3.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.12.21 09:19:03 -
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Bobman Smith wrote:elitatwo wrote:Bobman Smith wrote:...If its built right, T3 BS should not effect the use of Machs, Apoc, Rattles, and Vindis. But if you look at data for ship uses you will find BS are way way down at the bottom of the list.... I am sorry to be a mean girl but you shouldn't believe what you see on some list someone created to make a point. I can make make another list and show you how awesome they are. Other that cargohold, signature resolution (not size damnit, look it up what that value does) and some minor tweaks to the base targetting range battleships are fine as is. Maybe a 2 day old character shouldn't be flying them and making proposals that would undo everything that happened since Crucible. EVE does not need a tech 3 battleship for the sake of tech3 - zee END. That list came from CCP and it detailed damage from all the different ship classes and BS are ranked one of the least used. Battleships are fine, they do their roll. But they are shackled to their roll and that roll is not used in daily life unless your a full time mission runner. For the PvP community its mostly Cruisers and under. Bring out the BS's when there's a show of strength. And most FC wont undock a fleet of BS without adequate logi. And not to be a mean boy, but where are you getting off making any comparisons to a 2 day old character? Bet there are not too many 2 month old characters that fly BS let alone suggest proposals to the game. Anyone with half a mind would understand Eve is too massive to emanate random changes for their own good as they don't comprehend the game in the least. The games going to evolve whether you like it or not. Being apart of its evolution and making suggestions and tweaks and putting up a valid reason for them is just what Eve needs. Its a 10+ year old game and dying. If you want to keep it alive, your going to need to bring in new players, and most of these new players will have likely given a try to Eve before and have failed the "Eve Learning Cliff". IF they come back, they need that 'something' that was not there before. More content, more possible 'things' in Eve, the better. People play Eve cause they are inspired about some content within it. BS content is limited. That needs to change.
What is this one role you think battleships fill?
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.12.22 08:28:08 -
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Bobman Smith wrote:
I think over all they play a role as heavy fleet tank/dps. More suited to Fleets and solo Mission runners. Which is fine, from what I can see I have not little tweaks I would want to change to the current BS line up. However, as mentioned, their overall use in Eve is a small fraction. I just want to see that fraction get a little larger with a T3 BS that is capable in the ways that I have mentioned. The gap should not jump from Cruisers to Caps like it does now. And like I said, I think the best counter to a T3 BS is a small feet of T1 BS thus increasing the uses for all BS all the while not hurting what they do now.
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BS can already do everything you want them to. The T3 BS you want would be ridiculously overpowered in the hands of people like me.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.12.22 12:49:17 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bobman Smith wrote:
I think over all they play a role as heavy fleet tank/dps. More suited to Fleets and solo Mission runners. Which is fine, from what I can see I have not little tweaks I would want to change to the current BS line up. However, as mentioned, their overall use in Eve is a small fraction. I just want to see that fraction get a little larger with a T3 BS that is capable in the ways that I have mentioned. The gap should not jump from Cruisers to Caps like it does now. And like I said, I think the best counter to a T3 BS is a small feet of T1 BS thus increasing the uses for all BS all the while not hurting what they do now.
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BS can already do everything you want them to. The T3 BS you want would be ridiculously overpowered in the hands of people like me. If they put a t3BS in your hands - you'd just cover it w/ lotion and disappear for weeks. You're not fooling anyone.
 
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