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Abla Tive
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Posted - 2015.12.19 04:40:13 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I didn't say Gevlon is a joke, I said his campaign - which he has stated himself is not a serious run at becoming a CSM member as he will not participate - is a joke. I think that we should vote for who we think will represent us well, from a selection of candidates who want to help the game. If peopel want to protest about the CSMs existence, this is not the place for it. I strongly disagree. This is the exact correct place for it and it is not a joke. Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option.
In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair.
Whatever the eventual number turns out to be, it will be both serious and informative. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
488
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Posted - 2015.12.19 06:20:27 -
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Abla Tive wrote:Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option. In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair. I strongly suggest you to not vote at all! CCP sees which players who were busy voters in the previous years stopped voting.
One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. You don't know me. You don't know what I'd do in the council, especially if I get a high vote. Maybe I'm a narcissistic little **** who just enjoys being important. Or maybe I can be "convinced" to participate, just like Blawrf was convinced by The Mittani to reconsider his position. It's easy to judge Corbexx, but you don't know what happened to him and how you'd act in his place.
You can trust in devs, since their employer would stand behind them in the case of a doxxing/cyberbullying/defaming attack but would destroy their career or even press charges if they'd take bribe. The company has money, lawyers and a very strong reason to not let EVE be destroyed. You can trust in this institutional system, you can trust capitalism and the legal system. You definitely can't trust a random nerd who use to rant about EVE.
Don't vote for me, vote for nobody!
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Stalker Ofeveryone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2015.12.19 06:59:00 -
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I endorse this product and/or service |
KarlSharks
Goat Appreciation Super Station Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.12.19 07:09:42 -
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I endorse this product and/or service
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Mechaet
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2015.12.19 07:14:44 -
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I endorse this product and/or service. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6977
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Posted - 2015.12.19 11:04:01 -
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Abla Tive wrote:I strongly disagree. This is the exact correct place for it and it is not a joke. Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option.
In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair.
Whatever the eventual number turns out to be, it will be both serious and informative. "None of the above" is the "none of the above" option. You may think that voting for Gevlon will give an idea of how many players believe the CSM should be written off, but in reality they will simply see it as more players voting.
The thing is, I doubt the CSM is going anywhere, since there are an awful lot of people that would see the removal of the CSM as CCPs refusal to engage with players and they would quit. And whether you like it or not, the CSM does a lot of great things. It definitely needs more attention from CCP developers, but it certainly doesn't need to be removed.
Also, I don't think you've really thought through what voting just for Gevlon (who won't be on the CSM and so will be removed regardless of vote count) or voting for noone will actually do. I won't spoil it though, I'll let you work that one over.
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1195
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Posted - 2015.12.19 14:50:32 -
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The CSM is a focused customer group.
Just like the ones every gaming company has.
CCP has switched the tables a bit by letting us have a bit influence on one of them.
The CSM has exactly the influence that j.random focused costumer group has with j.random company.
Or possibly a little bit more, but not really.
Voting serious and competent people to the CSM allows us a players to actually have a say (even if it's a little bit) to where CCP is going.
Not voting or voting for idiots just for the heck of it is giving away the little impact we can have.
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
490
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Posted - 2015.12.19 15:27:26 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Not voting or voting for idiots just for the heck of it is giving away the little impact we can have. I agree, and that's my goal, because I believe an player impact is bad for the game, as players want advantage for themselves against other players.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
3263
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Posted - 2015.12.19 17:53:55 -
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Pity, I though that a serious run for office might be something you could do as opposed to a 'if you don't vote then it is a vote for me ' paradox
Stand for Election. Take the chance that it might actually be something with a modicum of effectiveness and, if it turns out not to be, step down. Many complain but few have the guts to actually walk away once they see how the laws and sausages are made.
Call the goon bluff and challenge them to put you at the top of their ballot. Passive aggressive is a poor substitute for actual work.
Stand, dammit, stand.
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Daaaain
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2015.12.19 18:11:38 -
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I approve this |
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Hanura H'arasch
Tears and Trading Inc.
0
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Posted - 2015.12.19 20:07:16 -
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Quote:You don't know me. You don't know what I'd do in the council, especially if I get a high vote. Maybe I'm a narcissistic little **** who just enjoys being important. Or maybe I can be "convinced" to participate, just like Blawrf was convinced by The Mittani to reconsider his position.
It is known you spent hundreds of billions fighting Goons. While it's possible that you'll change overnight, the risk of that happening is low enough (for a serious space ship game) to take it. |
Konrad Kane
146
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Posted - 2015.12.19 20:45:30 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Abla Tive wrote:Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option. In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair. I strongly suggest you to not vote at all! CCP sees which players who were busy voters in the previous years stopped voting. One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. You don't know me. You don't know what I'd do in the council, especially if I get a high vote. Maybe I'm a narcissistic little **** who just enjoys being important. Or maybe I can be "convinced" to participate, just like Blawrf was convinced by The Mittani to reconsider his position. It's easy to judge Corbexx, but you don't know what happened to him and how you'd act in his place. You can trust in devs, since their employer would stand behind them in the case of a doxxing/cyberbullying/defaming attack but would destroy their career or even press charges if they'd take bribe. The company has money, lawyers and a very strong reason to not let EVE be destroyed. You can trust in this institutional system, you can trust capitalism and the legal system. You definitely can't trust a random nerd who use to rant about EVE. Don't vote for me, vote for nobody!
I think you'd be surprised how many votes you'll get at a none of the above candidate. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
835
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Posted - 2015.12.19 22:04:20 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:
You can trust in devs, since their employer would stand behind them in the case of a doxxing/cyberbullying/defaming attack but would destroy their career or even press charges if they'd take bribe. The company has money, lawyers and a very strong reason to not let EVE be destroyed. You can trust in this institutional system, you can trust capitalism and the legal system. You definitely can't trust a random nerd who use to rant about EVE.
Don't vote for me, vote for nobody!
You seem to be unaware of why the CSM was formed.
Fluffy Bunny Pic!
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luobote kong
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.19 22:46:45 -
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So torn. What do FC? |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
370
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Posted - 2015.12.19 23:28:40 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do? |
Konrad Kane
146
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Posted - 2015.12.20 00:06:38 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do?
I'll give you a clue - Gevlon only ever talks about Goons |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
370
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Posted - 2015.12.20 00:16:34 -
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Konrad Kane wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do? I'll give you a clue - Gevlon only ever talks about Goons
*sigh*
Everyone is so cryptic in this game. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
835
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Posted - 2015.12.20 00:19:56 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Konrad Kane wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do? I'll give you a clue - Gevlon only ever talks about Goons *sigh* Everyone is so cryptic in this game.
Corbexx changed political parties after being elected. This is a terrible thing to have happened, and he should have had serious consequences or something.
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
370
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Posted - 2015.12.20 01:06:25 -
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Rhivre wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Konrad Kane wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do? I'll give you a clue - Gevlon only ever talks about Goons *sigh* Everyone is so cryptic in this game. Corbexx changed political parties after being elected. This is a terrible thing to have happened, and he should have had serious consequences or something. Who did he change it to? |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
835
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Posted - 2015.12.20 01:16:11 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote: Who did he change it to?
He swapped from Noho to Goons.
If it had been the other way round, Gevlon might view it differently.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
495
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Posted - 2015.12.20 01:46:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:[He swapped from Noho to Goons. If it had been the other way round, Gevlon might view it differently. Likely true, hence I shouldn't be a real candidate. Goons are players too and shouldn't be cheated out of their votes any more than WH-ers.
Mike Azariah wrote: Passive aggressive is a poor substitute for actual work. Stand, dammit, stand. Lovely to see this from someone who never contributed to anything in his countless CSM terms.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
197
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:48:05 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do?
Corbexx was the wormholers CSM candidate that they voted in to represent them. So he took their votes, took his seat then moved/defected to Goons, basically taking his CSM seat with him and giving the goons an additional CSM member. This was seen as a betrayal by many. Drame ensued and much pop corn was consumed.
Will gank for food
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
370
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Posted - 2015.12.20 05:30:42 -
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Tarojan wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do? Corbexx was the wormholers CSM candidate that they voted in to represent them. So he took their votes, took his seat then moved/defected to Goons, basically taking his CSM seat with him and giving the goons an additional CSM member. This was seen as a betrayal by many. Drame ensued and much pop corn was consumed. This makes so much sense now. That is why he was so defensive about the Mittani and Digi. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6562
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Posted - 2015.12.20 06:23:20 -
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I don't always agree with Gevlon (Actually I almost never agree with Gevlon), but I truly believe that he is the CSM candidate that we deserve & this man will have a high place on my ballot list. With Gevlon on board we can finally work to end the real threat to EVE Online: The posting of Lucas Kell.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6978
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:19:36 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:I don't always agree with Gevlon (Actually I almost never agree with Gevlon), but I truly believe that he is the CSM candidate that we deserve & this man will have a high place on my ballot list. With Gevlon on board we can finally work to end the real threat to EVE Online: The posting of Lucas Kell.
Now for a question: If elected, will you build a wall around Lucas Kell so we can make EVE great again? You're mad! Getting rid of me would mean there's no way for everyone to relate. Right now crying whenever I post unifies even the bitterest f enemies. Without that there would be chaos.
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
384
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Posted - 2015.12.20 14:57:31 -
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You are to late, DJ Yumene from eve-radio.com will get my 1st vote.
You do understand that if everyone else boycott's the voting, the Goons will vote and run the entire CSM, if ANY.
Regards, a Freelancer
PS: will throw you a sympathy vote Gevlon source: http://i.imgur.com/L5zZt1q.jpg
The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1196
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:31:28 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Not voting or voting for idiots just for the heck of it is giving away the little impact we can have. I agree, and that's my goal, because I believe an player impact is bad for the game, as players want advantage for themselves against other players. User input is never bad for any game, or any other product what so ever.
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
502
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:15:18 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Now for a question: If elected, will you build a wall around Lucas Kell so we can make EVE great again? As I said, we must trust the devs. They also solved this crucial problem, hence the forums are still working. You can left click his name, and a menu comes up, containing "hide posts". Click it for averting the end of your sanity.
Freelancer117 wrote:You do understand that if everyone else boycott's the voting, the Goons will vote and run the entire CSM, if ANY. And how would that be different from the current situation?
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
384
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Posted - 2015.12.20 22:35:57 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Freelancer117 wrote:You do understand that if everyone else boycott's the voting, the Goons will vote and run the entire CSM, if ANY. And how would that be different from the current situation?
You are forgetting the following CSM members:
Sugar Kyle Mike Azariah Steve Ronunken Chance Ravinne Jayne Fillon
and not even Gorski Car is a Goon (alt) as far as I know.
The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
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Sturmwolke
654
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Posted - 2015.12.21 00:25:57 -
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Lol, interesting idea. Keep in mind though, CCP can defang it somewhat (at least for the fence sitters or the general ignoramus) through bribes like unique collectibles or whatever. They did that starting from CSM9-10ish, iirc (sorry, cba to dig up links), there isn't any reason not to continue. A simple but effective age old tactic.
Bottomline, there's probably a cost/return threshold somewhere for CCP to maintain the CSM structure as EVE moves along in maintenance mode. The initial CSM works were decent during its earlier years (peaking around Mynxee time, imo) but as time moved on, the whole platform turned into a lobby group, similar to certain countries' political model. Nothing to admire there, same old thing rules. Btw, regardless of NDA, leaks will continue to happen - through convenient errors/accidents, covertly, unoficially or through oral whispers. That's a given.
The CSM needs a systemic overhaul.
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