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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
477
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Posted - 2015.12.18 05:32:55 -
[1] - Quote
The CSM is in horrible state.
- Members leak
- They represent big null powerblocks who game the election with spy candidates (Ali Aras, Corbexx...)
- They openly feud to the point where Endie called another member a Nazi war criminal
- They lost the trust of CCP
- Players barely vote since it's clear the CSM isn't representing them
- The final straw was member Sion suggesting them to get control over which player can talk to CCP by special forums where CSM decides who can post to CCP and what
The ultimate problem: EVE is a competitive (PvP) game, where groups of players fight each other. Each player is biased for his playstyle and make suggestions that are directly conflicting with the interests of other player groups: for example miners want harder ganking while gankers want easier. Being well-informed and experienced in the game makes no one a good advisor to CCP, it makes him a dangerous snake who will influence devs to cater to his group at the expense of other groups. My thoughts are about helping highsec groups and groups like MoA while directly hurting Goons. For me as player, that's completely fair. For me as CSM member, that's a clear abuse of my position as I must serve the whole playerbase which include Goons. The only way for me to be unbiased is to keep my mouth shut. Same for everyone else.
So I call all players to boycott the CSMXI election! This obviously means not to vote for me either! My candidacy is only to be able to speak in CSM election forums, participate in CSM candidate interviews and such. If enough trolls vote for me to be elected, I solemnly swear to be completely inactive on the CSMXI until removed and will never offer my biased crap to CCP.
My idea is that if enough people take my advice and vote for nobody, CSM will be shut down and CCP will only listen to devs. While they will have their shortcomings and mistakes (who doesn't), at least they will be unbiased and genuinely interested in the long-term survival of the game.
 Vote for the end of CSM! Vote for nobody!
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Lauresh Thellere
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
55
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Posted - 2015.12.18 05:53:20 -
[2] - Quote
Political candidate campaigning on the platform of the system is corrupt and needs to die in a fire... what could possibly go wrong. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Angry Dragons
Psychotic Tendencies.
743
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Posted - 2015.12.18 06:13:27 -
[3] - Quote
So much yes. Yes yes yes.
House of Black and White
An ingame channel dedicated to more interesting ways to play
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6970
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Posted - 2015.12.18 07:41:36 -
[4] - Quote
The CSM may have it's faults but it's certainly better to have it than to not. Either way, this is not the right venue for you to voice your hate, this is for people who are actually interested in campaigning and becoming a CSM member which it is obvious you are not.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Konrad Kane
142
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Posted - 2015.12.18 09:42:52 -
[5] - Quote
Are you worried that being on the CSM will mean you'll have less time for blogging?
--- please have less time for blogging |
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
831
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Posted - 2015.12.18 11:29:07 -
[6] - Quote
How do your potential voters know that you will not be like the politicians who say "We are for reducing/removing the EU parliament", then pitch up and enjoy all the freebies once elected?
Fluffy Bunny Pic!
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2015.12.18 14:44:54 -
[7] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:The CSM may have it's faults but it's certainly better to have it than to not. I disagree and I believe I'm not alone. Let the people decide on this topic. If the voter turnout increases from last year, they decided against me. If it decreases, they with me. If they vote me in, they are with me and they are trolls.
Rhivre wrote:How do your potential voters know that you will not be like the politicians who say "We are for reducing/removing the EU parliament", then pitch up and enjoy all the freebies once elected? They don't have to trust me. I'm not asking anyone to vote for me, I asked them to not vote. I explicitly called those who vote for me "trolls".
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2015.12.18 18:43:30 -
[8] - Quote
I fully support this.
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
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Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
323
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Posted - 2015.12.18 19:08:01 -
[9] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin is an honorable man with pure intentions and has my full endorsement for CSM XI.
On twitter @siggonK
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Cindare
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.12.18 19:12:33 -
[10] - Quote
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
Siobhan MacLeary
Hole Violence
Goonswarm Federation
221
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Posted - 2015.12.18 19:37:56 -
[11] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Grr CSM Grr Goons Grr CCP Grr Grr Grr
I have already unvoted.
GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave
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bigbillthaboss3
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2015.12.18 19:44:43 -
[12] - Quote
I, forum representative of the Wildly Innappropriate corporation, too hereby endorse Gevlon Goblin of the Science and Trade Institute for CSM XI. |
Vanilla Mooses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2015.12.18 19:47:40 -
[13] - Quote
Gevlon's blog is a bastion of sanity and reason in a insane universe, and he has my full support for CSM. Just do the math, people! |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
771
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Posted - 2015.12.18 20:24:06 -
[14] - Quote
I support Gevlon's message. To do your part for a goon-free CSM, vote gevlon or don't vote at all. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
483
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Posted - 2015.12.18 20:32:18 -
[15] - Quote
Sion Kumitomo wrote:Gevlon Goblin is an honorable man with pure intentions and has my full endorsement for CSM XI. Thank you dear sir! You were my inspiration to run for CSM, as the hard work of you and your good friend and alliance mate Endie made my campaign necessary. If CSM members were like Sugar Kyle, I wouldn't have a chance.
I'm looking forward to work with both of you and with Xenuria. I'm sure we'll have wonderful time together drinking the beers that CCP Falcon will invite us for.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
334
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Posted - 2015.12.18 22:19:15 -
[16] - Quote
Rhivre wrote:How do your potential voters know that you will not be like the politicians who say "We are for reducing/removing the EU parliament", then pitch up and enjoy all the freebies once elected?
Having gotten a feel for Gevlon over the past few years of reading his blog, if this were the case he is a master of deception the Mittani could only hope and dream to be. However, I doubt that. Gevlon has been pretty open and strightforward, so I doubt he would be your typical politician.
Edit: that said: I think I might pitch into this as well. |
Globby
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
299
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Posted - 2015.12.18 22:28:53 -
[17] - Quote
I for one can't wait for a xenuria x gevlon goblin csm |
MuayThai
Panic Stations.
0
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Posted - 2015.12.18 22:58:37 -
[18] - Quote
they could always vote for me, I don't know -insert word- about the game. in fact, I would always ask CCP for 1.4 quintillion isk, or something equivalent to 3^1.7trillion isk.
http://bcomics.wordpress.com
I don't understand you, should I turn it uP?
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Hanura H'arasch
Tears and Trading Inc.
0
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Posted - 2015.12.18 23:01:41 -
[19] - Quote
I shall vote for you, not only to troll but also to show up in the "definitely against CSM" category. |
Jay Amazingness
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2015.12.19 00:55:11 -
[20] - Quote
I endorse this product and/or service |
Dreiden Kisada
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2015.12.19 01:14:50 -
[21] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
They openly feud to the point where Endie called another member a Nazi war criminal
You mean the one who actually is a neo nazi? Are you confusing the two terms? |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6976
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Posted - 2015.12.19 02:06:23 -
[22] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:I disagree and I believe I'm not alone. Let the people decide on this topic. If the voter turnout increases from last year, they decided against me. If it decreases, they with me. If they vote me in, they are with me and they are trolls. The people can decide by not voting. You're post here is not for a campaign, you have made it clear you will not serve on the CSM, and thus this entire post is not fit for this section of the forum. You clearly have absolutely nothing of value to add to this community.
You want the CSM to be destroyed for what? Out of some strange idea that you think CCP will then stop listening to players? They most certainly won't, and if anything you'll give more power to the groups you hate. It's also a joke to think that you getting votes will do anything to destroy the CSM in the first place. Once again this is a badly thought out plan with no hope of success, and all you are doing here is clogging up a serious forum with your shockingly irrational anger filled rubbish.
ISDs should just move this to GD where it belongs. The CSM campaigns forum is for CSM campaigns, not for whining about the existence of the CSM.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
196
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Posted - 2015.12.19 02:20:57 -
[23] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:I disagree and I believe I'm not alone. Let the people decide on this topic. If the voter turnout increases from last year, they decided against me. If it decreases, they with me. If they vote me in, they are with me and they are trolls. The people can decide by not voting. You're post here is not for a campaign, you have made it clear you will not serve on the CSM, and thus this entire post is not fit for this section of the forum. You clearly have absolutely nothing of value to add to this community. You want the CSM to be destroyed for what? Out of some strange idea that you think CCP will then stop listening to players? They most certainly won't, and if anything you'll give more power to the groups you hate. It's also a joke to think that you getting votes will do anything to destroy the CSM in the first place. Once again this is a badly thought out plan with no hope of success, and all you are doing here is clogging up a serious forum with your shockingly irrational anger filled rubbish. ISDs should just move this to GD where it belongs. The CSM campaigns forum is for CSM campaigns, not for whining about the existence of the CSM.
Oh Luccuy darling get with the program please. Your missing the point so hard and thats just sad. Take your lead from your glorious leaders and endorse the post. THEY understand so trust them.
Will gank for food
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6976
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Posted - 2015.12.19 02:26:49 -
[24] - Quote
Tarojan wrote:Oh Luccuy darling get with the program please. Your missing the point so hard and thats just sad. Take your lead from your glorious leaders and endorse the post. THEY understand so trust them. No I totally understand the point, they are considering this the joke it is and going along with it. I don't take my lead from them, being an individual and all, I form my own opinions, and IMHO I don't think that joke campaigns have any place in this particular forum. If this guy wants to cry about the existence of the CSM and come up with yet another crazy scheme to accomplish nothing he should do it in the sections of the forum designated for nonsense posts.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
196
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Posted - 2015.12.19 02:33:06 -
[25] - Quote
I was delighted by the Blog post, then dismayed when I read it. I think you know why, I think you have much to offer to eve online if you weren't being distracted by your (star wars quote!) "**** fool crusade". Your guides on anti ganking, on trading and on ganking I still link to relevant new people!. Your guides on how you started, early dist mission running is how I actually play this game. It's fun and I find it relaxing.
I wish the CSM was a positive institution to which you could contribute. Your ideas about a non dec high sec npc corp and how to balance this aren't something I think should be mocked, rather taken on board. I think if you were given a channel to CCP devs direct instead of only gaining attention via shock posts you would probably be able to help them improve the game if they were listening to the CSM...
Except they aren't listening. Sion and Sugar and others have made this clear. Therefore my (non)vote belongs to you.
I hereby declare all my accounts will (not) be voting for Gevlon Goblin. Let the best man (not) win.
Will gank for food
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
196
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Posted - 2015.12.19 02:35:36 -
[26] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Tarojan wrote:Oh Luccuy darling get with the program please. Your missing the point so hard and thats just sad. Take your lead from your glorious leaders and endorse the post. THEY understand so trust them. No I totally understand the point, they are considering this the joke it is and going along with it. I don't take my lead from them, being an individual and all, I form my own opinions, and IMHO I don't think that joke campaigns have any place in this particular forum. If this guy wants to cry about the existence of the CSM and come up with yet another crazy scheme to accomplish nothing he should do it in the sections of the forum designated for nonsense posts.
You think its a joke? Its not. https://www.themittani.com/features/csm-reform-proposal educate yourself by all means.
Will gank for food
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6976
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Posted - 2015.12.19 02:48:57 -
[27] - Quote
Right, so Sion wants more input from players that aren't on the CSM by creating focus groups. Your point is?
Yes, this campaign is a joke. Gevlon has stated that he has no intention of actually doing the job of a CSM member. This is one of his usual grabs for attention, that's all.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
196
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Posted - 2015.12.19 02:54:24 -
[28] - Quote
Point is CCP needs to reform CSM. Even if it started out as a cynical ploy to just shut us up after the greed gate riots, Its lost its power now and needs re looking at. Sion, Gevlon, CSM reps all the way back to CSM 1... they all saying the same thing man.
Maybe ya think Gevlons a joke? hey how about every single person votes just for sion and leaves every other card blank then? so he is our only rep and we send him to CCP with the platform "hey your customers think you should take customer relations seriously"?
Is that a joke?
Will gank for food
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6976
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Posted - 2015.12.19 03:47:05 -
[29] - Quote
Tarojan wrote:Point is CCP needs to reform CSM. Even if it started out as a cynical ploy to just shut us up after the greed gate riots, Its lost its power now and needs re looking at. Sion, Gevlon, CSM reps all the way back to CSM 1... they all saying the same thing man. No, they aren't. Sion wants to keep the CSM but want it to be listened to more, with other players able to get involved through focus groups. Gevlon wants the CSM gone because he thinks without the CSM, CCP will stop listening to players and that somehow that would destroy the evil goonies. They are absolutely nothing alike.
Tarojan wrote:Maybe ya think Gevlons a joke? hey how about every single person votes just for sion and leaves every other card blank then? so he is our only rep and we send him to CCP with the platform "hey your customers think you should take customer relations seriously"? I didn't say Gevlon is a joke, I said his campaign - which he has stated himself is not a serious run at becoming a CSM member as he will not participate - is a joke. I think that we should vote for who we think will represent us well, from a selection of candidates who want to help the game. If peopel want to protest about the CSMs existence, this is not the place for it.
I'm honestly not sure how you don;t understand this.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
833
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Posted - 2015.12.19 04:06:58 -
[30] - Quote
Tarojan wrote:Point is CCP needs to reform CSM. Even if it started out as a cynical ploy to just shut us up after the greed gate riots, Its lost its power now and needs re looking at. Sion, Gevlon, CSM reps all the way back to CSM 1... they all saying the same thing man.
Maybe ya think Gevlons a joke? hey how about every single person votes just for sion and leaves every other card blank then? so he is our only rep and we send him to CCP with the platform "hey your customers think you should take customer relations seriously"?
Is that a joke?
Gevlon has stated he will not stand.
That is what Lucas thinks is a joke.....if he was to stand on a platform of "I will push for the CSM being broken up and recreated in another form", then that would be a platform.
Xenuria is running on a reform platform, as are several others. They have actually said they will be on the CSM.
Fluffy Bunny Pic!
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Abla Tive
100
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Posted - 2015.12.19 04:40:13 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I didn't say Gevlon is a joke, I said his campaign - which he has stated himself is not a serious run at becoming a CSM member as he will not participate - is a joke. I think that we should vote for who we think will represent us well, from a selection of candidates who want to help the game. If peopel want to protest about the CSMs existence, this is not the place for it.
I strongly disagree. This is the exact correct place for it and it is not a joke.
Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option.
In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair.
Whatever the eventual number turns out to be, it will be both serious and informative. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
488
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Posted - 2015.12.19 06:20:27 -
[32] - Quote
Abla Tive wrote:Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option. In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair. I strongly suggest you to not vote at all! CCP sees which players who were busy voters in the previous years stopped voting.
One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. You don't know me. You don't know what I'd do in the council, especially if I get a high vote. Maybe I'm a narcissistic little **** who just enjoys being important. Or maybe I can be "convinced" to participate, just like Blawrf was convinced by The Mittani to reconsider his position. It's easy to judge Corbexx, but you don't know what happened to him and how you'd act in his place.
You can trust in devs, since their employer would stand behind them in the case of a doxxing/cyberbullying/defaming attack but would destroy their career or even press charges if they'd take bribe. The company has money, lawyers and a very strong reason to not let EVE be destroyed. You can trust in this institutional system, you can trust capitalism and the legal system. You definitely can't trust a random nerd who use to rant about EVE.
Don't vote for me, vote for nobody!
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Stalker Ofeveryone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2015.12.19 06:59:00 -
[33] - Quote
I endorse this product and/or service |
KarlSharks
Goat Appreciation Super Station
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.12.19 07:09:42 -
[34] - Quote
I endorse this product and/or service
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Mechaet
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2015.12.19 07:14:44 -
[35] - Quote
I endorse this product and/or service. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6977
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Posted - 2015.12.19 11:04:01 -
[36] - Quote
Abla Tive wrote:I strongly disagree. This is the exact correct place for it and it is not a joke.
Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option.
In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair.
Whatever the eventual number turns out to be, it will be both serious and informative. "None of the above" is the "none of the above" option. You may think that voting for Gevlon will give an idea of how many players believe the CSM should be written off, but in reality they will simply see it as more players voting.
The thing is, I doubt the CSM is going anywhere, since there are an awful lot of people that would see the removal of the CSM as CCPs refusal to engage with players and they would quit. And whether you like it or not, the CSM does a lot of great things. It definitely needs more attention from CCP developers, but it certainly doesn't need to be removed.
Also, I don't think you've really thought through what voting just for Gevlon (who won't be on the CSM and so will be removed regardless of vote count) or voting for noone will actually do. I won't spoil it though, I'll let you work that one over.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
1195
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Posted - 2015.12.19 14:50:32 -
[37] - Quote
The CSM is a focused customer group.
Just like the ones every gaming company has.
CCP has switched the tables a bit by letting us have a bit influence on one of them.
The CSM has exactly the influence that j.random focused costumer group has with j.random company.
Or possibly a little bit more, but not really.
Voting serious and competent people to the CSM allows us a players to actually have a say (even if it's a little bit) to where CCP is going.
Not voting or voting for idiots just for the heck of it is giving away the little impact we can have.
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
490
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Posted - 2015.12.19 15:27:26 -
[38] - Quote
Lors Dornick wrote:Not voting or voting for idiots just for the heck of it is giving away the little impact we can have. I agree, and that's my goal, because I believe an player impact is bad for the game, as players want advantage for themselves against other players.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3263
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Posted - 2015.12.19 17:53:55 -
[39] - Quote
Pity, I though that a serious run for office might be something you could do as opposed to a 'if you don't vote then it is a vote for me ' paradox
Stand for Election. Take the chance that it might actually be something with a modicum of effectiveness and, if it turns out not to be, step down. Many complain but few have the guts to actually walk away once they see how the laws and sausages are made.
Call the goon bluff and challenge them to put you at the top of their ballot. Passive aggressive is a poor substitute for actual work.
Stand, dammit, stand.
m
Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯|(pâä)/¯
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Daaaain
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2015.12.19 18:11:38 -
[40] - Quote
I approve this |
Hanura H'arasch
Tears and Trading Inc.
0
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Posted - 2015.12.19 20:07:16 -
[41] - Quote
Quote:You don't know me. You don't know what I'd do in the council, especially if I get a high vote. Maybe I'm a narcissistic little **** who just enjoys being important. Or maybe I can be "convinced" to participate, just like Blawrf was convinced by The Mittani to reconsider his position.
It is known you spent hundreds of billions fighting Goons. While it's possible that you'll change overnight, the risk of that happening is low enough (for a serious space ship game) to take it. |
Konrad Kane
146
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Posted - 2015.12.19 20:45:30 -
[42] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Abla Tive wrote:Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option. In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair. I strongly suggest you to not vote at all! CCP sees which players who were busy voters in the previous years stopped voting. One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. You don't know me. You don't know what I'd do in the council, especially if I get a high vote. Maybe I'm a narcissistic little **** who just enjoys being important. Or maybe I can be "convinced" to participate, just like Blawrf was convinced by The Mittani to reconsider his position. It's easy to judge Corbexx, but you don't know what happened to him and how you'd act in his place. You can trust in devs, since their employer would stand behind them in the case of a doxxing/cyberbullying/defaming attack but would destroy their career or even press charges if they'd take bribe. The company has money, lawyers and a very strong reason to not let EVE be destroyed. You can trust in this institutional system, you can trust capitalism and the legal system. You definitely can't trust a random nerd who use to rant about EVE. Don't vote for me, vote for nobody!
I think you'd be surprised how many votes you'll get at a none of the above candidate. |
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
835
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Posted - 2015.12.19 22:04:20 -
[43] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
You can trust in devs, since their employer would stand behind them in the case of a doxxing/cyberbullying/defaming attack but would destroy their career or even press charges if they'd take bribe. The company has money, lawyers and a very strong reason to not let EVE be destroyed. You can trust in this institutional system, you can trust capitalism and the legal system. You definitely can't trust a random nerd who use to rant about EVE.
Don't vote for me, vote for nobody!
You seem to be unaware of why the CSM was formed.
Fluffy Bunny Pic!
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luobote kong
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.19 22:46:45 -
[44] - Quote
So torn. What do FC? |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Squids
370
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Posted - 2015.12.19 23:28:40 -
[45] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences.
What did he do? |
Konrad Kane
146
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Posted - 2015.12.20 00:06:38 -
[46] - Quote
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do?
I'll give you a clue - Gevlon only ever talks about Goons |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Squids
370
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Posted - 2015.12.20 00:16:34 -
[47] - Quote
Konrad Kane wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do? I'll give you a clue - Gevlon only ever talks about Goons
*sigh*
Everyone is so cryptic in this game.  |
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
835
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Posted - 2015.12.20 00:19:56 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Konrad Kane wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do? I'll give you a clue - Gevlon only ever talks about Goons *sigh* Everyone is so cryptic in this game.
Corbexx changed political parties after being elected. This is a terrible thing to have happened, and he should have had serious consequences or something.
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Squids
370
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Posted - 2015.12.20 01:06:25 -
[49] - Quote
Rhivre wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Konrad Kane wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do? I'll give you a clue - Gevlon only ever talks about Goons *sigh* Everyone is so cryptic in this game. Corbexx changed political parties after being elected. This is a terrible thing to have happened, and he should have had serious consequences or something.
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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
835
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Posted - 2015.12.20 01:16:11 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
Who did he change it to?
He swapped from Noho to Goons.
If it had been the other way round, Gevlon might view it differently.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
495
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Posted - 2015.12.20 01:46:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:[He swapped from Noho to Goons.
If it had been the other way round, Gevlon might view it differently. Likely true, hence I shouldn't be a real candidate. Goons are players too and shouldn't be cheated out of their votes any more than WH-ers.
Mike Azariah wrote: Passive aggressive is a poor substitute for actual work.
Stand, dammit, stand. Lovely to see this from someone who never contributed to anything in his countless CSM terms.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
197
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:48:05 -
[52] - Quote
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do?
Corbexx was the wormholers CSM candidate that they voted in to represent them. So he took their votes, took his seat then moved/defected to Goons, basically taking his CSM seat with him and giving the goons an additional CSM member. This was seen as a betrayal by many. Drame ensued and much pop corn was consumed.
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Squids
370
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Posted - 2015.12.20 05:30:42 -
[53] - Quote
Tarojan wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. What did he do? Corbexx was the wormholers CSM candidate that they voted in to represent them. So he took their votes, took his seat then moved/defected to Goons, basically taking his CSM seat with him and giving the goons an additional CSM member. This was seen as a betrayal by many. Drame ensued and much pop corn was consumed.
This makes so much sense now. That is why he was so defensive about the Mittani and Digi. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6562
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Posted - 2015.12.20 06:23:20 -
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I don't always agree with Gevlon (Actually I almost never agree with Gevlon), but I truly believe that he is the CSM candidate that we deserve & this man will have a high place on my ballot list. With Gevlon on board we can finally work to end the real threat to EVE Online: The posting of Lucas Kell.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6978
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:19:36 -
[55] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:I don't always agree with Gevlon (Actually I almost never agree with Gevlon), but I truly believe that he is the CSM candidate that we deserve & this man will have a high place on my ballot list. With Gevlon on board we can finally work to end the real threat to EVE Online: The posting of Lucas Kell.
Now for a question: If elected, will you build a wall around Lucas Kell so we can make EVE great again? You're mad! Getting rid of me would mean there's no way for everyone to relate. Right now crying whenever I post unifies even the bitterest f enemies. Without that there would be chaos.
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
384
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Posted - 2015.12.20 14:57:31 -
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You are to late, DJ Yumene from eve-radio.com will get my 1st vote.
You do understand that if everyone else boycott's the voting, the Goons will vote and run the entire CSM, if ANY.
Regards, a Freelancer
PS: will throw you a sympathy vote Gevlon 
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The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
1196
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:31:28 -
[57] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Not voting or voting for idiots just for the heck of it is giving away the little impact we can have. I agree, and that's my goal, because I believe an player impact is bad for the game, as players want advantage for themselves against other players.
User input is never bad for any game, or any other product what so ever.
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
502
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:15:18 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Now for a question: If elected, will you build a wall around Lucas Kell so we can make EVE great again? As I said, we must trust the devs. They also solved this crucial problem, hence the forums are still working. You can left click his name, and a menu comes up, containing "hide posts". Click it for averting the end of your sanity.
Freelancer117 wrote:You do understand that if everyone else boycott's the voting, the Goons will vote and run the entire CSM, if ANY. And how would that be different from the current situation?
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
384
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Posted - 2015.12.20 22:35:57 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Freelancer117 wrote:You do understand that if everyone else boycott's the voting, the Goons will vote and run the entire CSM, if ANY. And how would that be different from the current situation?
You are forgetting the following CSM members:
Sugar Kyle
Mike Azariah
Steve Ronunken
Chance Ravinne
Jayne Fillon
and not even Gorski Car is a Goon (alt) as far as I know.
The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Sturmwolke
654
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Posted - 2015.12.21 00:25:57 -
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Lol, interesting idea. Keep in mind though, CCP can defang it somewhat (at least for the fence sitters or the general ignoramus) through bribes like unique collectibles or whatever.
They did that starting from CSM9-10ish, iirc (sorry, cba to dig up links), there isn't any reason not to continue. A simple but effective age old tactic.
Bottomline, there's probably a cost/return threshold somewhere for CCP to maintain the CSM structure as EVE moves along in maintenance mode. The initial CSM works were decent during its earlier years (peaking around Mynxee time, imo) but as time moved on, the whole platform turned into a lobby group, similar to certain countries' political model. Nothing to admire there, same old thing rules. Btw, regardless of NDA, leaks will continue to happen - through convenient errors/accidents, covertly, unoficially or through oral whispers. That's a given.
The CSM needs a systemic overhaul.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
502
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Posted - 2015.12.21 05:41:03 -
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@Freelancer117:
Sugar Kyle is leaving and not with much happiness. She tried hard and failed.
Mike Azariah is doing absolutely nothing. He runs with "highsec candidate" theme and uninformed miners give him their vote for nothing.
Steve Ronunken is mostly on third party development, that can be advised without NDA, no CSM needed
Chance Ravinne: I still couldn't figure out who he is.
Jayne Fillon is a typical Goon spy-candidate like Corbexx
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Neutral Haulermeister
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
4
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Posted - 2015.12.21 08:07:12 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Chance Ravinne: I still couldn't figure out who he is.
https://www.youtube.com/user/wingspantt
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6979
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Posted - 2015.12.21 08:24:40 -
[63] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:@Freelancer117:
Sugar Kyle is leaving and not with much happiness. She tried hard and failed.
Mike Azariah is doing absolutely nothing. He runs with "highsec candidate" theme and uninformed miners give him their vote for nothing.
Steve Ronunken is mostly on third party development, that can be advised without NDA, no CSM needed
Chance Ravinne: I still couldn't figure out who he is.
Jayne Fillon is a typical Goon spy-candidate like Corbexx Proving once again you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
835
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Posted - 2015.12.21 12:16:19 -
[64] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:@Freelancer117:
Mike Azariah is doing absolutely nothing. He runs with "highsec candidate" theme and uninformed miners give him their vote for nothing
Chance Ravinne: I still couldn't figure out who he is.
http://www.toptiertactics.com/21341/eve-online-exploration-guide-billions-and-billions-of-isk/
http://crossingzebras.com/one-weird-trick-to-winning-eve-bittervets-hate-him/
http://evenews24.com/2014/08/05/wingspantt-taking-on-new-eden-one-torpedo-at-a-time/
Re: Mike Azariah.
What is your reasoning for saying he is doing absolutely nothing?
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2015.12.21 18:20:49 -
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Submit valid candidacy that isn't going to waste the time of those running for election to the CSM or players who want to contribute to the development of EVE Online via the CSM, and you'll be considered as a valid candidate.
You won't be considered a valid candidate under the manifesto of running purely to boycott the election.
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