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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.04 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Duke Droklar on 04/12/2003 19:19:06
OC / SA HISTORY
In the ôearly daysö Omega Corp came to Stain in search of a home. We found that Interstellar Elite, a corp we had known and previously fought side by side with was now a founder of the Stain Alliance. SA consisted of 3 primary corpsà IE, The Collective and MASS. After some talks, Omega Corp joined the Stain Alliance, claimed and settled into our territory consisting of 3 constellations in the rear of Stain.
Our territory was untamed and had rogues and pirates including m0o frequently operating there. We began military operations to secure our new home. We also invited our old ally Solar Wind to come and join us. We convinced them of the abundance of the area and offered them 1 of our 3 constellations as their home. We sponsored them and they became SA members as well.
Much to our dismay the SA were loath to initiate hostilities against m0o (the remaining pirates of our territory) and allowed m0o to roam as it pleased throughout Stain. Omega Corp fought against m0o with assistance from a Solar Wind officer named Thirdstorm and drove m0o out of our home.
OC sent war fleets to every call to arms of the SA. Omega Corp was a dedicated and committed member of the SA by anyoneÆs standards. OC had always been primarily focused on military tactics and strategy. We believe that Omega Corp has always been a primary asset in the strength of SA.
EV comes to Stain
Everlasting Vendetta was granted a hunting pass but soon was found to have a large mining operation within OC territory. We rallied forces to launch an assault on the poachers and informed the SA council of what was about to occur. IE intervened speaking with EV and announced that EV would now become a member of SA and was given a territory in another area of Stain. We of OC did not like this since we felt EV had already shown their true nature but the deal had already been made.
Over the next couple months two more incidents of EV illegally mining in our territory occurred. One was claimed to be a mistake by some uniformed members (although an officer was present). The other incident was when a small 4 man corp we shared our territory with merged with EV. They tried claiming that the acquisition of these 3 members gave them mining rights to our territory but the SA council ruled against them and they were told to return to their own territory. The bad blood was well sown in these days and relations between our corps were tense.
SA Politics
In time, several more corps were brought into the SA without votes of existing members and with little or no probationary periods to prove themselves. Approximately 2 months ago EV began a political initiative to ôredistrictö all territory in stain to divide it equally among the SA corps. OC protested on the basis that not all corps were contributing equally to the SA military needs and therefore equal territory was not justified. Our protests fell on deaf ears as the newer corps unanimously voted for the redistricting.
Being outvoted and still wanting to remain a ôgood memberö of the SA, Omega Corp offered to relinquish 8 of the 10 systems in our territory. We also clearly designated our 2 primary HQ systems as not available for redistricting.
The Ultimatum
On 11-26-03 the SA Council decided that OC would not be allowed to retain our 2 HQÆs and offered 1 HQ and a different system of their choosing. Heated arguments went on for hours and the SA council gave OC one week to decide as they put it, ôto accept the decision or leave Stain by choice or by forceö.
Solar Wind our oldest ally was present and backed the EV against OC even after we pointed out that the redistricting map drawn up by EV gave EV 3 HQ stations in their territory with the rest of the constellation designated as ôsharedö. In effect giving EV an entire constellation while the rest of the SA were 10-30 jumps away. Apparently our offer of 8 of our 10 systems was not good enough and the SA corps were blind to the EV biased map.
Our Decision
Omega Corp firmly believes our offer was more than generous. We feel betrayed by our old allies Solar Wind. One corp, MASS voiced in OCÆs favor and that was appreciated. Our decision is to not allow EV and its cronies to force OC out of Stain. We have fought hard for SA since the moment we arrived and have well earned out territory. We do not intend to simply walk away.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.04 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Duke Droklar on 04/12/2003 19:19:19
War Declaration
OC declares war on Everlasting Vendetta and Solar Wind.
OC withdraws its previous offer to surrender 8 of the 10 systems.
In the light of Solar Winds betrayal, OC reclaims itÆs 3rd constellation (WULNA) formerly given to Solar Wind by OC.
OC declares the RPS-OK system as the OC border and violation of that border will be considered an act of war.
OC requests that any SA corps that wish to remain neutral should contact Specter, declare their neutrality and remain beyond the RPS-OK system until the war is resolved.
SA corps that initiate open hostilities against Omega Corp will be placed on a KOS list and will be subject to guerilla raids anywhere in Stain. We are making an effort to separate traitors emboldened by EV from the corps that simply fear being ejected from stain by a Council that has been manipulated by EV.
CA / OC cease fire offered.
As we believe weÆve been betrayed by those we called ôfriendsö, OC will no longer fight the SA war against CA. Omega Corp formally offers CA a cease fire between OC and CA. OC has ceased hostile operations against CA and will continue to honor that as a show of good faith as long as hostilities are not initiated against OC.
Accusations
EV has accused us of plotting against EV and MASS. We challenge them to show one instance of OC saying anything but good about MASS. EV has proven their colors since they arrived in Stain and the hatred between our corps has been mutual. MASS on the other hand have always been good allies and we have never had any issues with them or their members.
Conclusion.
Omega Corp believes we have done everything to avoid this situation with the exception of complete submission to what we deem as unreasonable demands. OC is prepared to fight to our last breath against the mob rule tyranny that has swept over the SA spearheaded by EV. We do not believe this will be a short war although we are confident in our military capability to cause great harm to the SA corps that attempt to do harm to Omega Corp. We fully understand that the OC territory will be breached on many occasions but we vow to make this war extremely costly to those that attack OC. We firmly believe that the SA cannot afford this war and it has the potential to destroy the SA.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.04 19:10:00 -
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First 24 hours of the war:
EV launches a sneak attack under the guise of a peace agreement reached with the SA Council 2 hours prior. 1 OC Indy and 1 OC Megathron are destroyed.
OC withdraws to assess the situation and decides to only attack SA corps that initiate hostilities aganst OC. We understand this position gives any SA corp that intends to wage war a beginning advantage we are willing to make that sacrifice in an effort to spare corps bearing no hostile intentions being drawn into a war they do not desire.
The first OC raids result in 1 EV Apoc and 1 SW Dom being destroyed. Our raids will increase in frequency and intensity as time goes on and more corps become targets by their own actions.
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Xen0
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Posted - 2003.12.04 19:22:00 -
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Good luck on your mission to gain back what SA took from you and give back to you. I am sure CA can do something to help, though I'm not the one that makes the decision about that.
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Civil Deity
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Posted - 2003.12.04 19:45:00 -
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i dont have time right now but over the weekend i will be putting together a collection of teamspeak recordings, in game chat logs as well as other viable proof to OC's tretchery against the entire alliance.
I would like the general public to keep an open mind until the proof for our actions can be shown to the world.
Civil Deity
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nails
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Posted - 2003.12.04 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: nails on 04/12/2003 19:59:03
If the tables were turned and the vote had gone against EV, I'm sure they would just sit back and take it, and reliquish all of their systems quietly right? I mean they are not getting any of OC's systems out of this.. oh wait, ya they are. 
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Torm Yvette
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:08:00 -
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I for one cannot believe this matter could not be settled diplomatically. The Stain Alliance has always been known for its integrity and stability. Surely some settlement or compromise could have been reached to accomodate Omega's concerns, but it appears that I am wrong. It also now appears that Stain is taking the path of Venal...if Omega wishes to shatter all that we have fought and died for here in Stain...then so be it. I for one shall answer the call to arms.
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Korath
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Korath on 04/12/2003 20:11:03
Well it's obvious EV has inserted a mole into our corp. Will be nice to find out who it is. The question here is how long has this mole been with us? Obviously since before war was declared on us when we were still allies just waiting for the chance to use something against us. Funny how an "ally" starts planting moles into corps they're supposed to be working with and not against. With friends like these, who needs enemeis right? Regardless of all kinds of useful information, the use of 'moles' is lower than low in my opinion. Perhaps the rest of the SA should carefully go over their rosters, maybe EV has a mole in your corp as well. Go ahead EV, play your tapes, I'm sure its out of context. Maybe I should post the chat we all had in the CEO channel last week when you guys kept bashing us for 4 hours strait. That should give everyone all kinds of dirt to read in addition to your tapes.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:10:00 -
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Good luck to OC.
From what i saw in Curse they are capable of doing what they say.
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The Monk
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:21:00 -
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go go oc hope u guys smash them sa infidfels. if you ever want assistance i will give you full backing from ShinRa corp. i dont like back stabbers.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 04/12/2003 20:45:02
My factorys started to stamp everyother
Crusie-missile and Torpedo with
EV and SWC, if you know what i meen  .
I just hope that i wont have to add some more
stamps on them .
Btw.
I seem to remember a part of the logg.
** Part of Logg from Meeting**
[ 2003.11.27 03:41:22 ] Specter > if this goes to war to you believe the SA can hold out against the CA and a civil war at the same time?
[ 2003.11.27 03:41:49 ] Civil Deity > at this point i honestly would rather see the SA collapse than give you more than anybody else
In my eyes, it looks like EV dont care
if a civil-war in SA will tare it apart,
just aslong as they get to bust OC ball$.
OC however was going to give up 8/10
systems and thereby keeping 2 and we
surely dont like the idÚa of SA getting
ripped apart by this war, but we had no
choise in the matter.
Back an animal into a corner and it will
fight back sooner or later  .
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:34:00 -
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We have fought hard for SA since the moment we arrived and have well earned out territory. We do not intend to simply walk away.
You were never there when required.
Your lack of commitment to defending your precious mining systems is what caused your dismissal from SA.
I look forward to driving you out of SA territory.
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:34:00 -
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It will be interesting to see what kind of proof is presented.. It doesnt matter if it came from a mole or not, if it did, then OC Command should be more careful with plotting against allies infront of members... (if thats whats presented)
Im just wondering with all this testosterone filled warshouting and asskissing from CA forces if OC will drop their honour and accept help from the pirate forces they used to fight against...
I guess time will tell
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AndoJin
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:39:00 -
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Is Omega Corp recruting other corps? Would we get a system or two if we help? Eh Eh....
SA has been to disrespectful to too many!
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Civil Deity
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:42:00 -
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the use of 'moles' is lower than low in my opinion.
as this was posted i kicked an omega corp spy off of the SA teamspeak.
The leadership of OC is very good at manipulating the mob to beleive their side of things. They did it to the stain alliance for 8 months.
A ****ing contest is not gonna transpire on these forums cause thats exactly what OC wants. So while there will be limited reponses from the SA, know that we are strong and we will deal with the threat. UNIFIED.
Civil Deity
Wanna kill pirates? Join EV! Join SA! check us out:
www.everlastingvendetta.com
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Civil Deity
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Civil Deity on 04/12/2003 20:48:28
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If the tables were turned and the vote had gone against EV, I'm sure they would just sit back and take it, and reliquish all of their systems quietly right? I mean they are not getting any of OC's systems out of this.. oh wait, ya they are.
Not sure who you are but your information is false. Everlasting Vendetta has always respected and gone with the councils majority votes. Unless you can prove otherwise your claim holds no merit. We have always been a respectable corp with respectable means.
And no we're not getting any of OC's systems out of it. We have another EQUAL state that was 100% approved by the rest of the council.
Civil Deity
Wanna kill pirates? Join EV! Join SA! check us out:
www.everlastingvendetta.com
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 04/12/2003 20:54:58
Civil, the only thing you¦re gonna get
unified with is god old mighty.
Ohh. dont forget  .
Whatever happened to those systems that
EV left to RI after you moved.
They were ALL EMTY, drained on every
tiny piece of rock, im supprised that
RI didnt report your actions to the SA
council- but then again.... that would have
made them traitors also am i correct  .
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Blink
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:51:00 -
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You were never there when required.
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Your lack of commitment to defending your precious mining systems is what caused your dismissal from SA.
Hmm.. I thought it was cause we didn't agree to the EV land grab. The least you can do is dump your bs with some some of consistancy.
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I look forward to driving you out of SA territory.
ROTFL. Just as EV has wanted to do since they came to stain.
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2003.12.04 20:56:00 -
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3 EV&SW battleships taken down to the loss of 2 OC blackbirds later this afternoon
more to come...
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Blink
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Posted - 2003.12.04 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Blink on 04/12/2003 21:09:48
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as this was posted i kicked an omega corp spy off of the SA teamspeak.
How stupid, ts shows who's in channel and annouces when a client logs in, your "spy" on ts-probably just a member who didn't know OC is using that sever now. A spy! honestly.
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The leadership of OC is very good at manipulating the mob to beleive their side of things. They did it to the stain alliance for 8 months.
Yeah, 8 months, uh OK. And how has this manipulation gone down exactly?
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A ****ing contest is not gonna transpire on these forums cause thats exactly what OC wants. So while there will be limited reponses from the SA, know that we are strong and we will deal with the threat. UNIFIED.
Interesting, did you command the other SA members not to talk on the forums? Too bad, I would like to see how other SA corps feel about this. I wonder how long they will chaff under EV boots before they see you for what you are.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.04 21:27:00 -
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No one dares to say 'TTi', take II, action.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Catherine Airey
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Posted - 2003.12.04 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Catherine Airey on 04/12/2003 21:29:25
Good luck Omega Corp.
Looks like EV have been planning to get rid of you for a while.
wonder if they will take over SA leadership now? hmm
Shame really, EV were one of the 3 SA corps i admired, alas i was proven wrong by how low they will sink to satisfy their Ego and power lust.
It has become clear to the general public just how "honourable EV actually are.
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Korath
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Posted - 2003.12.04 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Korath on 04/12/2003 21:32:49
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s this was posted i kicked an omega corp spy off of the SA teamspeak.
Yeah a spy, ok big guy, whatever you say. Like you can consider someone thats behind on information that probably still had an OC tag on his name on the server and probably sitting in our old chat room wondering where everyone is a spy. Come on, this all went down yesterday, someone is bound not to get the message. Come up with a better one college boy. We get our intel the old fashioned way, by actually talking to people and seeing if we can get any information out of them.
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TRIGGER
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Posted - 2003.12.04 21:46:00 -
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This will be the only response from MASS.
We follow strictly to the council's decision and we will, if required , enforce the decision.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.12.04 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 04/12/2003 22:01:31
The council ?
you meen EV¦s  .
In my eyes it seems like EV
is manipulating the council.
We have NO desire to fight MASS and
will surely not make the first hostile
act towards you.
Think about this TRIGGER.
Appearently EV planted a mole inside
Omega along time ago, possibly planning
for this all along.
What kind of "allied" places a mole inside
a friendly Corp, and for what reason.
And have you ever tought about that
EV might have a mole in MASS , waiting for
the exact same situation .
I seriosly hope that the Council will
do a re-vote - for the Stain Alliance sake.
Omega Corp had NO whatsoever plans on
going to war with EV or SWC 1 week ago,
and we have not recived any new members since
this "war" broke out - that meens that EV
must have placed their mole inside OC
long before this was accured.
So i ask again.
Can you trust a Corp that puts Moles inside
an Allied Corps ranks  .
NO
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2003.12.04 21:52:00 -
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Sorry to hear that Trigger, i hope it won`t come to it 
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Maven Hollowind
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Posted - 2003.12.04 22:00:00 -
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I would like to thank all of you whom have supported us in this endeavor. It was not an easy decision to make, but I support my corp and feel this was the right choice.
I would also like to apologize to all the members of SA whom are now in a situation of war with a former ally and friend. I know that this is not everyone in the SA, but for those of you whom understand our stance, I apologize for the position and decision you are now forced to face.
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nails
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Posted - 2003.12.04 22:00:00 -
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What I don't understand is why SA would vote on something that was supposed to "balance" the ownership of systems with stations and/or bistot belts if everyone in SA was not willing to give up their systems to be re distributed. Was it for every corp to have only one system with a station in it and the rest as shared stations/belts? If this was the plan, then that would mean that everyone, MASS, EV, SW, R-I etc.. everyone would have to agree to these even terms.
All I am seeing is supposedly everything in Stain was balanced accept for OC? OC was the "only" corp in stain that had more than one station? I haven't seen this "map" that EV drew out and how they decided to "evenly" divide everything up among the SA corps. All I am seeing is OC getting pushed out because EV doesn't like them.
Right now all I can imagine is EV doing a
"one for you, one for you, one for you, 5 for me!"
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Korath
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Posted - 2003.12.04 22:08:00 -
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Long story short, we had 29 bistot producing belts in our 2 systems, the rest of the alliance had anywhere from 16-22 bistot producing belts. We also had a station in both our systems. Some other corps had to go a whopping 1 jump to get from a bistot producing belt to a station. We had already given up 8 bistot producing systems.
It's not even about the bistot for us at this point but apparently it is for everyone else. We refused to roll over after we fought for months through 3 wars to secure this area only to have it stripped away from us. It's the principle of the thing. When the roid spawn is fixed (hopefully with the patch this month) it won't even freakin matter who has how many belts. So here we are at war because we wouldn't roll over.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.04 22:23:00 -
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TRIGGER, we're so sorry to hear this. The response for such things is:
Friend of Trigger
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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The Monk
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Posted - 2003.12.04 22:42:00 -
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Quote:
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We have fought hard for SA since the moment we arrived and have well earned out territory. We do not intend to simply walk away.
You were never there when required.
Your lack of commitment to defending your precious mining systems is what caused your dismissal from SA.
I look forward to driving you out of SA territory.
hmm your going to drive them out?? seems like you need help to do that. why not get your evol buddies to help you out as u cant seem to ever get anything done yourself.
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2003.12.05 00:12:00 -
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hmm your going to drive them out?? seems like you need help to do that. why not get your evol buddies to help you out as u cant seem to ever get anything done yourself.
You are way behind my dear. We are already in it. And the only reason i will give you is this;
It's personal.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.05 00:17:00 -
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Evolution is overrated, they just warp if they aren't 3 to 1.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Temerlyn
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Posted - 2003.12.05 00:39:00 -
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When we broke of from the CA after a membership drop out we decided to join a more peacfull alliance.
During this time we sorted out any enmities between us stain and curse alliances. We had a nap with stain and a nap with curse.
Out of both of them the Stainers kept on shooting our ships, those who shot our ships were EV. All my other encounters with SA corps were always good except with EV so i have little to no respect for EV at all.
Other SA corps i haven't had any goings with except mass. MASS showed the signs of some intelligent people thus they have an incling of an idea.
While i dont wanna drag the CA into this to much. Due to some mix ups with things that wern't supposed to happen we were lightly accused of being spies for the CFS and probably SA as well by a few people in the CA.
Through all that they still didn't shoot our ships or cause trouble.
Thus my overall assesment is EV do as they please to suit there means. Good luck OC i tend to agree with you.
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.12.05 01:01:00 -
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Quote:
When we broke of from the CA after a membership drop out we decided to join a more peacfull alliance.
During this time we sorted out any enmities between us stain and curse alliances. We had a nap with stain and a nap with curse.
Out of both of them the Stainers kept on shooting our ships, those who shot our ships were EV. All my other encounters with SA corps were always good except with EV so i have little to no respect for EV at all.
Other SA corps i haven't had any goings with except mass. MASS showed the signs of some intelligent people thus they have an incling of an idea.
While i dont wanna drag the CA into this to much. Due to some mix ups with things that wern't supposed to happen we were lightly accused of being spies for the CFS and probably SA as well by a few people in the CA.
Through all that they still didn't shoot our ships or cause trouble.
Thus my overall assesment is EV do as they please to suit there means. Good luck OC i tend to agree with you.
Temerlyn, what has happend was probably due to orders of STK and Xetic being enemies (this was before I joined). If any of your ships have been destroyed recently, have you contacted Civil Deity or any other high ranking member of the corporation?
EV is in no way "doing what it wants" and "manipulating" the alliance. I'm sure you can see the staggering oppisition we have against the CA. Unlike the CA the SA has not actively sought out new member corporations and since the beggining of the conflict we have basically stayed the same. What is happening right now are subtle changes in the alliance and removal of dead weight.
OC was not dead weight but as stated, first order of buisness was re-distributing the fields. While this may seem to the critics and cynics to put EV at a very advantageous position when it comes to ore reserves, this is only temporary until new corporations are brought into the alliance and take up space. The only reason EV looks like it is taking "advantage" of the situation is because of where we are positioned.
We could have moved ourself to the north and have other corporations move to the south, but that probably was not considered as an option because it would involve EVERY corporation shifting their operations to new and relatively unknown areas.
The fact of the matter is that OC was informed of the proposed changes by the High Council of the Stain Alliance and did not want to co-operate, they were given a week to change their minds but instead actively planned against the alliance while spouting rhetoric of support. (Since I am a pilot I do not have access to as much intel as officers and High Council members in my alliance, but I offer you this glimpse, Reclaimer is seen here alluding to OC treachery. So we give OC an ultimatum and they talk to Curse about a NAP behind our backs while telling us they will fight them to the death? They were just buying time)
While I cannot comment on any planted moles because I know nothing about it, I imagine it was just a SA member who was against OC's planned betrayel of the alliance.
What has happend has not been from the actions of one corporation, rather it is the will of the Stain Alliance.
(The above views expressed are purely my own and is not to be confused with an official response from EV or the Stain Alliance. These views are based off of my view of the eve universe and the actions and morals of the coporations in this universe)
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Xen0
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Posted - 2003.12.05 01:17:00 -
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Sounds like a lot of backstabbing in the SA, I wonder what happened to all the other SA corps, do they not have any say in this or am I kidding myself?
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Maven Hollowind
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Posted - 2003.12.05 01:23:00 -
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IÆm normally not one to argue in the forums, so I will ask for clarification instead.
The part I like most from your link is this: ô ! NOW Omega Corp....there are some real fighters!! ô
Would anyone else here not have spent this time preparing for a war? In the end we decided to (my understanding) accept the offer, until we reached the point in game of player owned space items, then we would leave space peacefully. There were of course other ideas as tempers were hot. However, our decision for peace, at the end, was our decision. We chose to not go to war, you made the decision, and you attacked us. I do not claim the moral high road, but we were going to work for peace, and our reasons are our own.
And so far, EV is the only member of the SA whom has spoken in this forum, with the exception of TriggerÆs post. I can honestly say I would like to hear your side(s) of the story. This isnÆt a flaming contest between OC and EV so please speak up.
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Xen0
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Posted - 2003.12.05 01:29:00 -
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Sounds like a lot of backstabbing in the SA, I wonder what happened to all the other SA corps, do they not have any say in this or am I kidding myself?
As I said....
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2003.12.05 03:38:00 -
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good luck OC fight hard and fight proud
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.05 04:45:00 -
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c0w strikeforce is ready and able
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TIvian
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Posted - 2003.12.05 05:01:00 -
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IÆm normally not one to argue in the forums, so I will ask for clarification instead.
The part I like most from your link is this: ô ! NOW Omega Corp....there are some real fighters!! ô
Would anyone else here not have spent this time preparing for a war? In the end we decided to (my understanding) accept the offer, until we reached the point in game of player owned space items, then we would leave space peacefully. There were of course other ideas as tempers were hot. However, our decision for peace, at the end, was our decision. We chose to not go to war, you made the decision, and you attacked us. I do not claim the moral high road, but we were going to work for peace, and our reasons are our own.
And so far, EV is the only member of the SA whom has spoken in this forum, with the exception of TriggerÆs post. I can honestly say I would like to hear your side(s) of the story. This isnÆt a flaming contest between OC and EV so please speak up.
I was the one that said "Now Omega Corp....there are some real fighters!"
I was saying that Omega has been fighting Curse and really truly has been the front line fighters for SA....and I think that they out class and out gun EV and MASS. SA is going to go down the tubes really fast. Good luck OMEGA wishing you all the best.
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Maven Hollowind
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Posted - 2003.12.05 05:07:00 -
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My little side noteà
This is why eve is such a great game. Reading these forums it is easy to see that people are actually passionate about their feelings, myself included. This is so far beyond what can happen in a normal game, what you see here is part of eve. Propaganda, misinformation, moles, and beliefsùthat are argued out in plane view of the public. Allies turning against each other, simple differences of opinions have the ability to escalate into a large civil war.
Anyways, back to waiting for a Stain member whom is not OC/EV æs opinion.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.05 07:09:00 -
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When we were given the ultimatum, Omega Corp immediately began preparing for war with EV, SW and any other corp that would move against OC. We made it clear for months we would not give up those 2 systems. The Council gave us a deadline of 1 week to render our final decision. A good leader would utilize that time to fortify... and fortify we did.
We moved the corp battlefleets out of Curse to reinforce our positions within Stain. We ramped up production and now have billions in battle ready BS's, support vessels and vast stockpiles of ammo, missiles and gear. We are positioned to wage a very long war with little income required. We intend to prevent any hostile SA corp and their members from profiting from their decision to betray Omega Corp and steal our territory with politics, votes and threats.
Since our war against CA was on behalf of the SA and based on possible EV misinformation concerning timelines and certain events we immediately decided to call for a cease fire with the CA. Why would we continue to fight that offensive war for the SA? I made contact with CA to discuss peace and made no effort to conceal this. Everyone knows that the CA TS server has been compromised but I made no effort to conceal my identity as I logged on to discuss the cease fire as Duke Droklar / Specter. I could have easily logged on as anything but chose to fly my name.
Many possible courses of action have been discussed within Omega Corp including alignment changes of the corp. Not suprising I would say in light of current events. These possibilities are still being discussed and considered. That is an internal matter and you can be assured that if that occurs the entire eve community will know about it. One thing we have always remained firm on is that we would never be pirates as it is completely unappealing to us and seems quite boring to be honest.
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We have fought hard for SA since the moment we arrived and have well earned out territory. We do not intend to simply walk away.
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You were never there when required.
Your lack of commitment to defending your precious mining systems is what caused your dismissal from SA.
I look forward to driving you out of SA territory. -Joshua Calvert
Only a fool would fail to recognise that OC was committing more effort in Curse pressing the SA war with the CA than any other corp. Even with that effort, OC still responded to any SA defense calls within Stain that we deemed as a real threat.
I look forward to EV trying to drive us out as well. Btw, has Con Mal replaced his Raven yet? OC has been fighting wars for over a year. Months of warfare in Curse has honed our skills in guerilla warfare and you are about to learn first hand the truth of the what it means to be an enemy of Omega Corp.
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This will be the only response from MASS.
We follow strictly to the council's decision and we will, if required , enforce the decision. -Trigger
Regardless of this, OC will not be the first to initiate hostilities on the corp and people we have respected from before most of the members in the alliance even heard of the Stain Alliance. We will however respond in kind if forced into doing so. We hope it doesnt come to that.
EV and SW need every friend they can get in an attempt to survive this. All OC wants is for others to stand aside as we take these pretenders to school. However absolutely nothing will prevent the retribution that will be befall them.
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You are way behind my dear. We are already in it. And the only reason i will give you is this;
It's personal.
-SirMolle (Evol)
If you have something to say then do so. Disgruntled member that couldnt cut it in OC? A member of a corp in beta who got their asses handed to them? TAOSP perhaps? OC and EVOL have had no encounters whatsoever so it must be something like that. Lets hear an offical statement from EVOL on the matter.
CA: One thing I have said from when this whole matter started within the SA... "I have yet to see the CA turn on their own". No matter what one believes about the CA, one cannot deny this aspect of their honor. Can't say the same thing for EV and SW.
SA: EV claimed we were being greedy. We offered 80% of our territory and that wasn't good enough for your leaders. It seems quite clear where the greed lies. Remember this if your leaders drag your corp into this war and you come under attack from OC forces.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.05 08:14:00 -
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War update: Another SW Tempest and a SW Megathron went down today. Chain spawning SW is good loot drops.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.05 09:25:00 -
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my guess is EVO will join Stain and they want some bistot roids...0_o bye OC...
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.05 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 05/12/2003 10:08:31
I know OC as in: My old corp dismissed and all the PvP'ers joined OC.
They killed more ships in the first 2 weeks than we did when we were anti pirate corporation in 4 months, offcourse because they had whole curse as target but also because they didnt had to gather the resources anymore...
They PvP'ed without gathering resources, all in name off Omega, Stain Alliance. They fought for Stain, they killed 1-3 battleships a week and they were only 3-5 people of whole Omega. That is 150-300mil damage in the name of stain, i don't call that "little". If only 5 do such dmg, how much do the other 120 members?
Everlasting Vendetta has made a decision to drive larger corporations out Stain it seems, to personally gain more power. They were preparing for this, if you remember the day where 50 man mining op went to stain and Everlasting Vendetta bragged about how much money they made... Even back then i suspect them of preparing of something, shame they chose the wrong party to pull a leg out.
And to think of it they could have had 8 from the 10 systems, it is even more a fault they made since the previous mentioned baby roid fix.
Stain lost its agressor Omega to beat down their enemies, so they "hire"/call in Evolution in promise of Bistot fields.
Let's see how long it will last if Evolution did their job, if they will be asked to leave stain.
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Edited by: Bigfoot Hunter on 05/12/2003 10:11:35
Don't forget that scorpian we got *Salutes Brave opponets*
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.12.05 11:12:00 -
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Like Duke said, i want an
Official statement from EVOL
why they are joining up against Omega,
since we have nothing against you.
Or is it true that you are just
another hired gun from EV because
they cant handle us alone .
So...
Requested: EVOL Official Statement
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.05 11:12:00 -
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It does not matter who EV brings in. They cannot stop us from prosecuting this war. The best they can do is prevent us from running ops for a short while in one area of Stain. We are specialists in lightning raids striking the enemies weaknesses.
How exactly can they stop us? The only way they are ever safe now is when they are in a massive blip. How long can they keep that up? A couple hours here or there for a couple days of the week? We have been running ops nearly 18 hours per day in multiple shifts. We dont need money, we have an enormous volume of corporate ships at our disposal and we dont have CA to fight anymore. We are 100% focused on the death and destruction of those that have attacked us.
If they are camping us with a massive blip who exactly is defending Stain from CA? EV and cronies really dont understand what they have started. Weve been fighting what?... 40-50 corps in the CA virtually by ourselves for 2 months. Will introducing evol or any other corp have any effect on us whatsoever?
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.12.05 11:21:00 -
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We have fought hard for SA since the moment we arrived and have well earned out territory. We do not intend to simply walk away.
You were never there when required.
Your lack of commitment to defending your precious mining systems is what caused your dismissal from SA.
I look forward to driving you out of SA territory.
He really knows how to get to a girls heart *sighs*
I think I might even fly next to him, how romantic 
This is not a hijack
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Domon
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Posted - 2003.12.05 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Domon on 05/12/2003 11:57:32
Wow,
I'm gone for a little while and the universe blows up! But boy do I have something to say about all this.
I have been a member of OC since before many people had even cruisers after the game went public. I am a high ranking and trusted member of Omega Corp. So therefore, I think I have a soap box to stand on and gain some small amount of credibility to these words I write.
I have been on our TS server many many times and have had many many conversations with members and leader of my corp. All are fun loving, hard working individuals who form the glory that is Omega Corp. When times were good and relations were good, NEVER ONCE have I been privy to any conversations between ANY members of Omega Corp where our corp was allegedly plotting against SA. And believe me, if there were any, I would know about it.
However, it IS true that there are some hard feelings among our members at the treatment that has been given to us, myself included. This comes to us after we personally turned the tide in the securing of SA initially in turning out the pirate squatters and to other wars that SA has deemed necessary.
OC has ALWAYS fielded a force when it was called upon us. Being on the ass end of Stain, it is pretty hard to be on time for every battle at the front when you have at least 30 hops... When war broke out with Curse, we fielded a force EVERY DAY in Curse, sometimes lasting a whole day. This force has varied in size, but never in ferocity. When OC was on patrol in Curse, fear walked in our wake (as members of CA have posted to this thread alredy). Let me put it this way: Any member of CA can tell you we can hold our own.
I would like to point out that we basically did this BY OURSELVES. Here and there we had people I have come to respect join us, most notably from MASS and a few from Old Farts. EV even joined us a few times and they fought well as far as I can tell. But that may be just because they weren't in charge of the operation: all they had to do was what they were told. (EV, I hope you learned well on your recon missions to see how we fight. BTW, I'm actually a bit surprised after seeing how effective we are that you'd even WANT to fight the war in the first place...but I digress). I know I'm forgetting some corps that joined us on occasion, but let me stress this: It was OCCASIONAL. Most of the time, it was only OUR forces that held down CA.
All that said, EV and other corps that have done nearly nothing to ensure the security of Stain have been mining away safely while OC fronted a war for them. BTW, you can say that you 'defended' Stain, but you didn't really...Sure you had some good sized forces to defend against some good sized incursions, but rarely, if at all, did those two big blips meet and you actually did some pvp. And when they did..what happened? SA got beat and beat bad(BTW, OC was not in charge of any of the milops that went down like this, while we may have had members supporting the op).
Stain Alliance has had the luxury of a hard working corp working the front lines for them, but they will soon see WHY we are good at what we do. We personally (not Stain Alliance) laid waste to Curse, consisting of how many corporations? Some of them even call themselves dedicated PvP'ers.
Actually, I have to tip my hat to some corps in Curse that actually went after us. I know I can't remember them all, but Shinra and Black Omega Corp (nice name, btw...deliberate?) have fought valiantly against us. We actually had some good natured conflicts between rival corps. Not just some leet dude trash talking on local and not backing up what they say (like some corps chose to do).
Let me assure you, anyone who goes against us in this will lose. How much they lose will be up to them before they call for a white flag.
So I say, bring it on! EVOL? We'll be glad to take your cargo cannisters.
In parting, I could respond to all the EV statements against us here and prove them false, but it is simply not worth my time. This post was originally going to quote each thing I wanted to comment on and reply to it, but I looked at all the things I wanted to quote and it proved a daunting task even for me. So basically the above book is a compilation of what I feel.
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Andrew Jade
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Posted - 2003.12.05 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 05/12/2003 10:08:31
Everlasting Vendetta has made a decision to drive larger corporations out Stain it seems
Ugh atleast know what your talking about if your going to comment.... EV is larger than Omega.[EV-222, Oc-139(ish)] Everyone is allowed their oppinions, but make sure you get the facts straight before posting.
I find it pathetic that all affairs to do with EVE are pasted all over the forums, its kinda sad. Oh well on with fighting.
-Aj-
WTB: Large faction smartbomb with good range. Top isk paid.
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Domon
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Posted - 2003.12.05 12:01:00 -
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Ugh atleast know what your talking about if your going to comment.... EV is larger than Omega.[EV-222, Oc-139(ish)] Everyone is allowed their oppinions, but make sure you get the facts straight before posting.
EV may have more numbers on the roster, but I have yet to date see you field a force larger than ours, let alone something that could actually beat us. Remember, alts and inactive or quit members don't count...
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Catherine Airey
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Posted - 2003.12.05 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Catherine Airey on 05/12/2003 12:08:16
How cute, Stain goes to such lengths to try to split the CA down the middle with all their forum warfare, and it ends up Stain been split in two and struggling to survive.
I might not like CA much more than stain, but at least they stick by each other.
Evolution seem to be your only hope now, but i wonder if EV will give up most of Stains Bistot to them in excange for their support?
RIP SA, you had a good run down there
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2003.12.05 12:27:00 -
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If you have something to say then do so. Disgruntled member that couldnt cut it in OC? A member of a corp in beta who got their asses handed to them? TAOSP perhaps? OC and EVOL have had no encounters whatsoever so it must be something like that. Lets hear an offical statement from EVOL on the matter.
You already got a official statement; It's personal.
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.12.05 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Iluyen on 05/12/2003 13:14:46
Ah there is the Omega Corp we all know and hate
. You guys blown your own horn so hard I'm wondering what your daytime job is.
"Fear walked on your wake", "laying waste to Curse"  .
The only fear we had when you guys were in curse was that we would be to late to catch you running. As for putting things on the line I'm sorry but I always found Omegas strategy of using mostly BBs fitted with base modules rather weak, hell you could you'd need to lose 40 of those to equal a BS loss, and then you run and hide behind the fact that your "only in a BB" when you meet
someone who wants to engage you. The rare times you guy do engage and get your ass kicked of course it was you were only in a BB. I'll tell you what, why don''t get in one of the BSs you piled up and put your money where your mouth is.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.05 15:13:00 -
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Iluyen: It makes no sense for a few bb's on a wolf pack op to engage a BS group when their objective is disruption and catchng enemies with their pants down. You don't win a war by exchanging losses. You win wars by costing the enemy losses with little losses to yourself. Haven't noticed your corp engaging an alliance of 40-50 corps for 2 months solo. When you do, feel free to instruct me in strategy.
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The Monk
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hmm your going to drive them out?? seems like you need help to do that. why not get your evol buddies to help you out as u cant seem to ever get anything done yourself.
You are way behind my dear. We are already in it. And the only reason i will give you is this;
It's personal.
i know u are i just posted like that to get clarification. i was expecting ev to deny everything like usual.
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Everlasting Vendetta has made a decision to drive larger corporations out Stain it seems
Ugh atleast know what your talking about if your going to comment.... EV is larger than Omega.[EV-222, Oc-139(ish)] Everyone is allowed their oppinions, but make sure you get the facts straight before posting.
I find it pathetic that all affairs to do with EVE are pasted all over the forums, its kinda sad. Oh well on with fighting.
-Aj-
Everlasting vendetta has made a decision to driver larger corporations out Stain it seems.
There is a diffrence if i would have said:
Everlasting vendetta has made a decision to driver larger corporations than everlasting vendetta out of Stain it seems.
I _did_ not say that there were corporations larger than everlasting vendetta driver out, but larger corporations as in "corporations larger than the medium sized". Since 100+ is a respectable size for a corporation IMHO.
If Everlasting Vendetta members don't get that and/or try so hard to turn the story in such a pathetic way, i can only say: Sir, you suck!
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Iluyen
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Iluyen: It makes no sense for a few bb's on a wolf pack op to engage a BS group when their objective is disruption and catchng enemies with their pants down. You don't win a war by exchanging losses. You win wars by costing the enemy losses with little losses to yourself. Haven't noticed your corp engaging an alliance of 40-50 corps for 2 months solo. When you do, feel free to instruct me in strategy.
You see I'm not the one claiming to "lay waste to Stain" or "make them tremble in fear". I have no problem with your tactics as such. What I do have a problem with is you selling them as "honorable" and pretending you are an "uber" pvp corp. As you yourself said you have had a lot of practice using guerillia tactics (that involve you attacking miners and indies then running when anyone with a gun fitted on their ship gets in system). A valid tactic no doubt (although I think the game mechanics are a bit fubared at the moment and make it to easy to run away and hide in safespots, stations, logging out, etc)but a long way from what you pretend to be. And your still hiding behind the fact that your in a BB.
Tell me with all the BSs you alledgedly have in reserve why is it a wolf pack of BBs and not a wolf pack of BSs? Everlasting is right you dont put anything on the line and you greatly exagerate the effect you had on curse.
Let me make it clear to you your not a good pvper your a muppet attacking non pvp-ers. Come to think of it now I describe you you sound a lot like Tank CEO. Maybe you should consider pirating after all.
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Andrew Jade
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 05/12/2003 10:08:31
Everlasting Vendetta has made a decision to drive larger corporations out Stain it seems
Ugh atleast know what your talking about if your going to comment.... EV is larger than Omega.[EV-222, Oc-139(ish)] Everyone is allowed their oppinions, but make sure you get the facts straight before posting.
I find it pathetic that all affairs to do with EVE are pasted all over the forums, its kinda sad. Oh well on with fighting.
-Aj-
Everlasting vendetta has made a decision to driver larger corporations out Stain it seems.
There is a diffrence if i would have said:
Everlasting vendetta has made a decision to driver larger corporations than everlasting vendetta out of Stain it seems.
I _did_ not say that there were corporations larger than everlasting vendetta driver out, but larger corporations as in "corporations larger than the medium sized". Since 100+ is a respectable size for a corporation IMHO.
If Everlasting Vendetta members don't get that and/or try so hard to turn the story in such a pathetic way, i can only say: Sir, you suck!
It can be read either way.
-Aj-
WTB: Large faction smartbomb with good range. Top isk paid.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 05/12/2003 16:03:23
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 05/12/2003 10:08:31
Everlasting Vendetta has made a decision to drive larger corporations out Stain it seems
Ugh atleast know what your talking about if your going to comment.... EV is larger than Omega.[EV-222, Oc-139(ish)] Everyone is allowed their oppinions, but make sure you get the facts straight before posting.
I find it pathetic that all affairs to do with EVE are pasted all over the forums, its kinda sad. Oh well on with fighting.
-Aj-
Everlasting vendetta has made a decision to driver larger corporations out Stain it seems.
There is a diffrence if i would have said:
Everlasting vendetta has made a decision to driver larger corporations than everlasting vendetta out of Stain it seems.
I _did_ not say that there were corporations larger than everlasting vendetta driver out, but larger corporations as in "corporations larger than the medium sized". Since 100+ is a respectable size for a corporation IMHO.
If Everlasting Vendetta members don't get that and/or try so hard to turn the story in such a pathetic way, i can only say: Sir, you suck!
It can be read either way.
-Aj-
Yeah, so YOU get your facts straight. I know both corporations, and i know both are large. Like DUH!
pwned? cookie?
kthnxbye
take a banana
i liek milk
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Laby
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I am just a peaceful miner/producer who has no affiliations with any alliance and I am in a corporation of one, myself. But, I continually read these forums and try and keep up to date on the political going-ons (I have a boring job). And I would just like to say;
Good luck to you OC in your fight against tyranny!!
A quote for the OC leadershipà
I am a man of peace. God knows how I love peace. But I hope I shall never be such a coward as to mistake oppression for peace.
Louis Kossuth (1802 - 94) Hungarian patriot
A quote for the OC leadershipà
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873)
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LtCol RTButts
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Iluyen: It makes no sense for a few bb's on a wolf pack op to engage a BS group when their objective is disruption and catchng enemies with their pants down. You don't win a war by exchanging losses. You win wars by costing the enemy losses with little losses to yourself. Haven't noticed your corp engaging an alliance of 40-50 corps for 2 months solo. When you do, feel free to instruct me in strategy.
i dont think anybody can win something without own bases that could be destroyed. every ship is only a ship. a destroyed ship, who cares really .... a base with a real logistic keyfunction, equipment and BPc re the thing that would hurt. but up to that date, war is only a waste of ships and very small amounts of equipment. nothing that could really hurt a corp.
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Edited by: Centuri on 05/12/2003 16:42:35
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As you yourself said you have had a lot of practice using guerillia tactics (that involve you attacking miners and indies then running when anyone with a gun fitted on their ship gets in system).
OC-EV/SW war so far comes to 6 EV/SW Battleships and 1 BB dead, loss on OC side has been 1 megathron, 1 bestower (on a pre-emptive EV/SW strike after we had agreed to SA terms) and 2 BBs yesterday. There have been no indy kills for us yet, but we will gladly take what we can get, our cruise missiles do not discriminate.
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A valid tactic no doubt (although I think the game mechanics are a bit fubared at the moment and make it to easy to run away and hide in safespots, stations, logging out, etc)but a long way from what you pretend to be. And your still hiding behind the fact that your in a BB.
Many OC engaged several battleships solo in the past few days with a BB, sure we didn't kill them solo, but we sure as hell didn't run straight off the bat.
I'm sure you never sat in a camped station before lol . Actually it's amazing how 2-3 people in a station can lock-down 12-15 people by doing absolutely nothing.
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Tell me with all the BSs you alledgedly have in reserve why is it a wolf pack of BBs and not a wolf pack of BSs? Everlasting is right you dont put anything on the line and you greatly exagerate the effect you had on curse.
Most OC ops always have BS support, BBs make up a large proportion of our fleet as do other ships. We try to take advantage of the game mechanics, yes, everyone does, why don't you fly a rifter in pvp instead of your Tempest? It gives you an advantage, that is why, we use fleet setups that give us the most advantages and it does work.
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Let me make it clear to you your not a good pvper your a muppet attacking non pvp-ers. Come to think of it now I describe you you sound a lot like Tank CEO. Maybe you should consider pirating after all.
Hmmm, everyone in Eve must be some sort of PvPer, because it is a pvp game. Same applies for Pvp corps. I'm sure not everyone in OC likes pvp that much either, they all just probably hide it. 
It's only been a short time since OC has stopped operations in and around Curse towards CA, so personally I don't expect some corps to forgive us straight away, tensions will still be there for awhile at least. Even though i've fought CA along with my comrades I have infact gained alot of respect for them, they always fight the good battle and always stick up for eachother, unlike our current enemies, Everlasting Vendetta and Solar Wind.
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It's only been a short time since OC has stopped operations in and around Curse towards CA, so personally I don't expect some corps to forgive us straight away, tensions will still be there for awhile at least. Even though i've fought CA along with my comrades I have infact gained alot of respect for them, they always fight the good battle and always stick up for eachother, unlike our current enemies, Everlasting Vendetta and Solar Wind.
sounds nice. time to join curse maybe
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Iluyen
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Edited by: Iluyen on 05/12/2003 17:31:21
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I'm sure you never sat in a camped station before lol
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Actuallty no I haven't
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Iluyen on 05/12/2003 17:31:41
double post
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Iluyen on 05/12/2003 17:31:57
I've seen the advantage these BBs give you in combat, it probably explains the oc corpses in my hangar:). Your just doing what I said annoyed me about OC i.e. hiding behind the BB excuse whenever it suits them. It doesnt matter how you try and sell it your taking no risks period.
As for pvping, I know the difference between a no risk kill that takes no skill and a battle that was what I consider "real" pvp. (wich doesnt mean I don't kill when there is no risk involved) You go play your researcher and pretend to be pvping another researcher if you want:)
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Ralith
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ralith on 05/12/2003 18:00:04
I've been with Omega Corp since mid beta and I will support my corp, which has never turly been defeated (We have lost battles, but never wars).
Preminition of the future? No, just a promise.
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Edited by: Iluyen on 05/12/2003 17:31:57
I've seen the advantage these BBs give you in combat, it probably explains the oc corpses in my hangar:). Your just doing what I said annoyed me about OC i.e. hiding behind the BB excuse whenever it suits them. It doesnt matter how you try and sell it your taking no risks period.
As for pvping, I know the difference between a no risk kill that takes no skill and a battle that was what I consider "real" pvp. (wich doesnt mean I don't kill when there is no risk involved) You go play your researcher and pretend to be pvping another researcher if you want:)
Iluyen, for someone who is suppose to be good a PvP you sure don't seem to understand tactics.
I'll do it simple. In REAL wars, you want to do maximum damage with minimum damaged taken. So, for instance, if we are in a fight and destroy 1 bs but we lost destroyed 2-3 or even 20 bb, we come out on top (75-150m loses to 5-10m or 60m). This my Iluyen is what is called "tactics".
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Centuri
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Posted - 2003.12.05 18:30:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Centuri on 05/12/2003 18:33:39
Catherine Airey :
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sounds nice. time to join curse maybe
I'm sure you'll have a lovely time there.
Iluyen :
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hiding behind the BB excuse whenever it suits them.
I'm sorry if you disagree with proven tactics. Seems as though you have a personaly grudge with OC *shrug* EV is accepting members I hear.
I really don't see your point. You're arguing to us about tactics that are proven in attacking an enemy for an extended amount of time.
The way I see it, our offensive fleets are extremely like CCP visioned and what most other players would like to see. A few battleships supported by alot of smaller ships. If all of the eve-populous went by your vision of combat, everyone one fly around in uninsured battleships, as insurance would be deemed "cowardly"...."OMG he has insurance!, that coward, he'll loose next to nothing in a fight and will have another ship straight away". Unless you yourself fly around in an unisured Battleship your rhetoric has no meaning and you are simply a hipocrit. EVERYONE plans for the event that if they do loose something that loss will be minimal, it happens out of game and it happens ingame. I'm sorry if you do not comprehend that.
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ShoKillU
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Posted - 2003.12.05 18:53:00 -
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Just Reading the boards I have No vested interests in any of the alliances but it nice to see war going on Best of Luck to the victor be it OC or the rest of the Stain Aliance soon war will spread to the other alliances because eventually the goals of a Corp will become different than the goals of an alliance. all we need now is for the empires to war then only then will we have sweet anarchy
Corruptor Extraordinaire
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2003.12.05 23:49:00 -
[73]
This will be the only response from GFL.
We follow strictly to the council's decision and we will, if required , enforce the decision.
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Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.12.06 00:03:00 -
[74]
This will be the response from Redemption Inc.
We follow strictly to the council's decision and we will, if required , enforce the decision and will continue our defense of Stain from CA at the same time.
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Balmer
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Posted - 2003.12.06 01:27:00 -
[75]
Rehearsed response?
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2003.12.06 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Tenashi on 06/12/2003 01:37:54
All SA corperations have the same statement...yet only the 2 main hostiles are EV and SW...
Guys, befor u decide to enforce what ever EV has manipulated the council to do, think hard and talk with ur members befor making a final decision about our corperate standings to eachother after a good relationship as it will be hard to go back to the current standing at a later time when u see their true intentions with stain.
I really hope it won`t come to that
yea..my spelling isn`t the best, but i try
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.12.06 02:03:00 -
[77]
Quote:
This will be the response from Redemption Inc.
We follow strictly to the council's decision and we will, if required , enforce the decision and will continue our defense of Stain from CA at the same time.
Hehe why do i get the image of guns been held to these guys heads
Mercenary | The Azath |
nails
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Posted - 2003.12.06 03:04:00 -
[78]
ya, it's like SA is afrade of getting kicked out of stain by EV.
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roman
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Posted - 2003.12.06 04:08:00 -
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Hi guys ,yes i'm still here deciding to quit or not .I got sad reading about the cituation there I don't know how you can shoot each other ofter being friends for long time fighthing hunthing side by side only for some, very slow spawning bistots.even I the hunted had gotten fond of you guys :).
On my observations the system distributin betwean the corps was far from fair and it justlly needed some adjustment but i am surprised how the other corp have turned against omega even after they have given up %80 of their systems .have some appriciation for them and don't be greedy you wouldn't do better than them if you were instead of them.
Omega corp i'm on your side and if I decided to countinue playing I will try to be usefull to you .
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Bigfoot Hunter
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Posted - 2003.12.06 06:51:00 -
[80]
*Salutes Roman*
Thx Roman u where always the ultimate prey I never managed to catch u srry for times when i got a bit hot headed hunting u  .
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.12.06 07:02:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Kalki Nibiru on 07/12/2003 03:32:48
Voting cast in favor of Omega Corp = Democracy
Voting cast against Omega Corp = "Mob rule tyranny"
quoted from their official press release http://www.eveguardian.com/comments.php?id=324&catid=14
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
slothe
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Posted - 2003.12.06 07:09:00 -
[82]
hi kalki, long time m8 hope u ok.
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
http://www.khainestar.com/eve |
Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.12.06 07:59:00 -
[83]
after reading the EVE Guardian i want to add:
Ceasefire/NAP with CA ? :
I was in HED today and let OC forces past unharmed. I reported my acting to our CEO and got the authorisation to do this. This is how our corp will handle this situation in HED after the CA council makes a decision.
I doesnt know how, other CA Corps handle this now.
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Bigfoot Hunter
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Posted - 2003.12.06 11:21:00 -
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I wanna thank all of the people who have been so supportive to our cause its much appreciated.
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Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.12.06 11:33:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Archon Stormrage on 06/12/2003 11:33:35
Quote:
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This will be the response from Redemption Inc.
We follow strictly to the council's decision and we will, if required , enforce the decision and will continue our defense of Stain from CA at the same time.
Hehe why do i get the image of guns been held to these guys heads
Please refrain from making comments on our relationship with either OC or EV. You know nothing of either.
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.12.06 13:21:00 -
[86]
Good luck, OC.
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Bergisch Glattbach
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Posted - 2003.12.06 16:11:00 -
[87]
Quote:
EV and SW need every friend they can get in an attempt to survive this.
being friend of ev is more dangerous than being enemy of ev.
they have no honor and no true friends.
i wish omega good luck and keep your honor up!
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.06 18:05:00 -
[88]
EV likes to point out how many they are. Many are alts and most are newbies that don't understand ore prices.
So tell me, how will they have a chance against Omega Corporation?
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.12.06 20:02:00 -
[89]
Thanks alot for the support dudes , we will
do our best not to let you down .
Btw, did i mension that there is free
icecream for everyone who brings me an
EV or SWC corpse.... the taste is peach.
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Ralith
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Posted - 2003.12.06 23:14:00 -
[90]
Quote:
Edited by: Archon Stormrage on 06/12/2003 11:33:35
Quote:
Quote:
This will be the response from Redemption Inc.
We follow strictly to the council's decision and we will, if required , enforce the decision and will continue our defense of Stain from CA at the same time.
Hehe why do i get the image of guns been held to these guys heads
Please refrain from making comments on our relationship with either OC or EV. You know nothing of either.
Considering that EV, and probably most of the rest of SA thought it would be war I am just a little surprised at how basily only EV has posted here (of the SA corps). One would think that the other corps would want to avoid this if it is not truly what they want. Just an interesting thought to go on.
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Torment
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Posted - 2003.12.07 00:53:00 -
[91]
Nobody is trying to avoid anything Ralith.
Archon is just posting our stance thats all.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.07 10:39:00 -
[92]
I understand Torment, Archon and the rest of those in RI. I also understand what a massivley difficult decision this is. Especially with the EV spin being whispered and the ramifications of actually standing up against EV.
It would be the wrong decision to stand by us simply out of old ties if you honestly believe the council is right in this matter and we are wrong.
Forget about everything else, follow your sense of right and wrong and you will be making the right decision for you no matter what that decision is. Words to live by...
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Domon
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Posted - 2003.12.08 05:28:00 -
[93]
So now war has been officially declared at this time (another post).
Let it be known that Domon blew up an enemy Raven solo today. Didn't get a corpse tho. I even forget the persons name. Its not personal. You're just on the wrong side.
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Lanfear
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Posted - 2003.12.08 06:30:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Lanfear on 08/12/2003 06:32:05
Wow, a bit of a skirmish and 3 more SW battleships are lost with no losses on the OC side so far.
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.12.08 07:35:00 -
[95]
We found a coupse in HED in a wreck of a [EVER]Raven.
Could Dreez send an indi with ice-cream to my corpmate Brukhai Khan...
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.12.08 07:39:00 -
[96]
Quote:
Edited by: Lanfear on 08/12/2003 06:32:05
Wow, a bit of a skirmish and 3 more SW battleships are lost with no losses on the OC side so far.
Wow the rebels make great spin doctors!
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Maasu
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Posted - 2003.12.08 13:49:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Maasu on 08/12/2003 13:56:02
Edited by: Maasu on 08/12/2003 13:49:40
There's a dragon ball Z episode where Perfect Cell fights Trunks.
Trunks out powers Cell, and then goes to attack him, Trunks fails to strike Cell with any of the blows thrown, despite being far more powerful.
Cell carefully explains to Trunks that power is not everything.
This is your answer to our use of BlackBirds. I thought i'd use a cartoon to explain it seeing as your having trouble to understand what people have said already.
ATUK, The Forlorn Hope of Corps. |
Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.12.08 14:51:00 -
[98]
out tactic is based on chinese philo/myst :
Shuzi and Hang Shi(the Monkey King). Hang Shi was fighting against the armies of heaven and it looked like he lost...but he find a way to win by coping the fighting style of his enemies. Later he stole the pieces (Symbol of immortalilty) out of the Garden of the Godness of the northwest for the try to kill him.
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nails
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Posted - 2003.12.08 15:09:00 -
[99]
I still wouldn't mind have a good Yamato cannon attached to my ship.
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Domon
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Posted - 2003.12.09 14:57:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Domon on 09/12/2003 15:01:01
Edited by: Domon on 09/12/2003 14:59:16
Quote:
Quote:
Edited by: Lanfear on 08/12/2003 06:32:05
Wow, a bit of a skirmish and 3 more SW battleships are lost with no losses on the OC side so far.
Wow the rebels make great spin doctors!
At that time, I believed what I said. However we failed to get the last BS that was reported...A little battle confusion and I'm sorry for it. And later after the post, I learned that we lost a BB. So if you count the one Domon killed earlier, thats 3 BS to one BB. So let the official record of that day stand at that.
BTW, before going to bed, I went back to change the post and as you can see it is posted by Lanfear (one of my alts), and I couldn't figure out how to edit the post with her as the poster.
Only thing I'm guilty of here is being a noob at posting (there was no 'edit' link to click, even tho it was my post, but there is NOW).
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2003.12.09 14:58:00 -
[101]
can i send in t3h cake monsterz ?
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.12.09 15:44:00 -
[102]
Asmodia.
I¦ve sent the Icecream to you, dont know
if it will still be good when it arrive thou.
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Centuri
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Posted - 2003.12.09 15:57:00 -
[103]
The ol'd tie the icecream onto the back of the EV BS and they will ship it to empire trick eh Dreez?
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2003.12.09 15:59:00 -
[104]
ICECREAM!!!!!
/excitement
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.12.09 16:10:00 -
[105]
Hey, do you know that song "I'm forever blowing bubbles?"
Play your cards right, and that might come true...
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Laby
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Posted - 2003.12.09 16:24:00 -
[106]
Is that an openended offer Miso?
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2003.12.09 16:26:00 -
[107]
Quote:
Hey, do you know that song "I'm forever blowing bubbles?"
Play your cards right, and that might come true...
Donk3y has the singing voice...
my talents lay elsewhere
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:47:00 -
[108]
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The ol'd tie the icecream onto the back of the EV BS and they will ship it to empire trick eh Dreez?
ROFLMAO
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Centuri
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Posted - 2003.12.10 14:03:00 -
[109]
Only prob is these days EV battleships seem to "disappear" once they enter stain.
Spooky eh?
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RAIDAKAOZ
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Posted - 2003.12.11 00:46:00 -
[110]
Good luck to both sides on this encounter...
I have no personal problems with anyone in OC, but I will enforce corp policy. So far I havent seen anyone not in a BB, and they tend to not stick around once FOF missiles start beating into them...
but seriously, dont hate the player, hate the game...
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Mrs Lunatic
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Posted - 2003.12.11 13:54:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Mrs Lunatic on 11/12/2003 13:54:34
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Moe Sczyzlak
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Posted - 2003.12.11 13:55:00 -
[112]
Actually it tends to be a mix of battleships and cruisers. The way it's supposed to be, right?
Other than that you're right. Taking this GAME personally is a mistake.
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Jagang
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Posted - 2003.12.12 09:12:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Jagang on 12/12/2003 09:13:08
Duke, u forgot to mention in your history how u acquired the scorpion bp original (or is it an infinite bpc? can't remember...). Of course, u were too busy reminding us over and over again how u have babysitted and spoon feed us.
Tell us now. And please tell the truth, don't spin anymore stories.
Jag.
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Domon
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Posted - 2003.12.12 10:29:00 -
[114]
Raidakaoz, oh no no no, you don't... I was playing around with ya'll in t-nn last night (didn't see ya there, btw...)
This is a no bullcrap story. I have an evemail from one of the enemy I fought. If you don't believe my story, message him in game...
It was me in a raven, just me. Ya'll used FoF missiles all right, but I didn't run...oh no.
There were seven of you. Using tactics, I made one of you dock with shields down and 3/4ths of his armor/hull gone there were seven enemies against me at the time. A little later, one SW member docked his three ships to go afk (ya'll know who I'm talkin about now :-) so there were 3 left outside the station. I didn't log off until I had to go to sleep. I think I can speak for everyone present that we all had fun.
Not only did I take on seven enemies, but I survived it and even made one person dock. This shows you the heart with which OC puts towards war, which I think none but an idiot or an ignorant can deny.
Anyways, I'd like to say to the participants, thanks for the fun. It certainly was the best time I've had in Eve in a long time.
Just so ya'll don't think I'm lying about that evemail... here it is...
2003.12.11 03:28:00
While like most enemies we all encounter there is always a desire to destroy. However i just wanted to say that tangling with you today was the most fun i've had against any other player out to destroy me :) Very few peeps who shoot at me ever earn my respect.
Tenavor
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:18:00 -
[115]
Quote:
Duke, u forgot to mention in your history how u acquired the scorpion bp original (or is it an infinite bpc? can't remember...). Of course, u were too busy reminding us over and over again how u have babysitted and spoon feed us. -Jagang
You act as though there is some big secret. Empress of TC one of the few SA corps I still respect asked in council (during the early days) if any were interested in going in on a Scorp and they would receive an infinite copy for 200mill (or there abouts). OC as well as 1-2 other SA corps said yes and the deal was completed in due time. This is no different from any other group purchase plan that has been done a million times in Eve. The price was about normal, we advanced the money to TC and we got what we bargained for.
So what exactly is your point? Did we get some huge bargain? No, normal biz deal between allies. The main benefit was working a deal of this size with a trusted ally. Of course we wouldnt have trusted money up front to anyone BUT a trusted ally.
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Jagang
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:57:00 -
[116]
I was referring to another matter. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I will relate it now as I know it.
Back in the days when we were all on the chase for original bs bp, Omega and SW, as allies, made a pact, to work together and make a joined purchase for the apoc original bp. To our dismay and surprise, when us, SW had 50% of the bp cost, Omega could not contribute with the other half.
No biggie, we continued to raise the money on our own and we've been among the first 5-10 corps in Eve to purchase an apoc orignal bp.
And now the thing that bothers me, that u forgot to mention, comes. You have asked us for an infinte apoc bpc at below the market price. If I remember correctly, we've sold it to u at about 200M below the market price at that moment. We were allies and friends, so we did it.
What did u do afterwards? Shortly after acquiring the infinite apoc bpc from us, u've sold it on the market, behind our backs, at normal market price.
That was one the things that broke the good relationships between our corps. And I suspect it was your decision to do so, Mr. Duke $ollar, not your corp.
I have, most probably wrongly, assumed that u've used the profit u've gained from that shameful stunt and whatever isk u had at that moment to buy an original scorpion bp. From what u've said, I assume u've probably had enough isk to purchase the scorpion bpc but still, u have taken advantage of our friendship and trust and made profit from our hard work.
I'm sure u'll find some excuses for this. For me, there are none u can put on the table. It was plain and simple, laim.
Jag.
P.S. On Monday, your infinite scorpion bpc will become limited. I am looking forward to the day when it will have 0 runs left .
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Korath
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Posted - 2003.12.12 15:41:00 -
[117]
Quote:
And now the thing that bothers me, that u forgot to mention, comes. You have asked us for an infinte apoc bpc at below the market price. If I remember correctly, we've sold it to u at about 200M below the market price at that moment. We were allies and friends, so we did it.
What did u do afterwards? Shortly after acquiring the infinite apoc bpc from us, u've sold it on the market, behind our backs, at normal market price.
That was one the things that broke the good relationships between our corps. And I suspect it was your decision to do so, Mr. Duke $ollar, not your corp.
I have, most probably wrongly, assumed that u've used the profit u've gained from that shameful stunt and whatever isk u had at that moment to buy an original scorpion bp. From what u've said, I assume u've probably had enough isk to purchase the scorpion bpc but still, u have taken advantage of our friendship and trust and made profit from our hard work.
I'm sure u'll find some excuses for this. For me, there are none u can put on the table. It was plain and simple, laim.
Sorry to burst you bubble but we still have that blueprint. It was never sold.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.12 18:04:00 -
[118]
Ahhhh, so that is what you're so uninformed and misguided about. Let see how the public feels about who is being ridiculous on the matter.
#1 SW offers an unaffiliated, non allied, could've been drawn from a hat corp, to purchase an unlimited copy of the Apoc for around 150 mill.
#2 I get wind of this and speak to SW. I am appauled to think that they did not even ask us if we were interested in an obviously good deal that they were offering to just anybody.
#3 SW withdraws the offer AFTER it had been agreed to and demands 250 mill if OC wants the same deal.
#4 After some haggling we agree to 200 mill and we receive the unlimited copy me1.
#5 A couple months go by and the Apoc copy no longer serves our needs. We offer it on trade channel at 400 mill (starting price, was hoping for about 300).
#6 SW gets bent out of shape claiming that we should sell it back to them at what we paid for it.
First of all, the deal was made very business like by SW with no consideration towards allies or EVEN what they had offered a corp SW didnt even know.
Secondly, what we do with OUR copy is absolutley none of your business when no "favors" were granted to us when we acquired it. So what exactly do you think we OWE you???
Thirdly, OC & SW agreed long before this that "sharing" ownership of originals was not a good idea.
Btw, I noticed you got nice and fat off the constellation of rares that OC GAVE you. Of course none of that ever figures into the SW mindset.
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Jagang
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Posted - 2003.12.12 20:20:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Jagang on 12/12/2003 20:26:25
Quote:
You act as though there is some big secret. Empress of TC one of the few SA corps I still respect asked in council (during the early days) if any were interested in going in on a Scorp and they would receive an infinite copy for 200mill (or there abouts). OC as well as 1-2 other SA corps said yes and the deal was completed in due time. This is no different from any other group purchase plan that has been done a million times in Eve. The price was about normal, we advanced the money to TC and we got what we bargained for.
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#4 After some haggling we agree to 200 mill and we receive the unlimited copy me1
First of all, the deal was made very business like by SW with no consideration towards allies or EVEN what they had offered a corp SW didnt even know.
Thirdly, OC & SW agreed long before this that "sharing" ownership of originals was not a good idea.
Errr, dude. How is an apoc unlimited bpc for 200M worse than a scorp unlimited bpc for 200M? . Oh, u do know that an apoc original bp costs about 2 times more than a scorp original bp, do u? Thus, also the unlimited bpc's prices must also have around the same ratio.
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#2 I get wind of this and speak to SW. I am appauled to think that they did not even ask us if we were interested in an obviously good deal that they were offering to just anybody
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Secondly, what we do with OUR copy is absolutley none of your business when no "favors" were granted to us when we acquired it. So what exactly do you think we OWE you???
Need I say more?
Jag.
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Centuri
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Posted - 2003.12.12 21:23:00 -
[120]
Um, I think you didn't read Dukes post right, this is how I read it.
1) SW put apoc unlimited bp on OPEN market for 150mil.
2) OC show interest.
3) SW pull it off open market and say OC can have it for 250.
4) OC haggle it down to 200mil.
Why did SW charge OC 250mil when they were going to sell it to the open market for 150mil?
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Jagang
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Posted - 2003.12.12 21:54:00 -
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No, I think U didn't read it right:
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#1 SW offers an unaffiliated, non allied, could've been drawn from a hat corp, to purchase an unlimited copy of the Apoc for around 150 mill
I admit, I was not aware of this. However, I've investigated and it turns out that it was not a random corp, but a corp with which we had dealings. Third might know more about this issue, I'll ask him. Don't tell me u didn't have dealings with corps outside SA. OTA from C4 comes to my mind.
As for the price u've mentioned, I highly doubt it. We were friends back then. And 200M was a VERY good price, stop *****in .
Anyway, it was not on the market.
I've said what I had to say on this matter. I think the truth is pretty obvious. One has only to look at Duke $ollar's posts to see that .
Jag.
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Moe Sczyzlak
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Posted - 2003.12.13 03:07:00 -
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Being OTA myself I can safelly say that when we joined the C4 alliance it was NOT pointed at SA. *remembers fast moves from Curse to SA in the middle of the build up.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.13 05:52:00 -
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Errr, dude. How is an apoc unlimited bpc for 200M worse than a scorp unlimited bpc for 200M? . Oh, u do know that an apoc original bp costs about 2 times more than a scorp original bp, do u? Thus, also the unlimited bpc's prices must also have around the same ratio. -[SW]Jagang
Please quote where I said 200 or even 250 was an "unfair" price. No what I said was SW wanted to charge OC more than they were going to charge another corp.
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However, I've investigated and it turns out that it was not a random corp, but a corp with which we had dealings. -[SW]jagang
And this other corp gave you a constellation of rares in Stain? When SW complained they had run out of rares this other corp gave you another 3 systems? If you are aware of all OC has done for SW since beta and through retail than it cannot be seen as anything other than a slap in the face from a corp of ingrates to offer us a higher price than what they offered to another corp.
At the time we were helping SW we viewed it as "building relations and helping to strengthen an ally" however SW actions in the past months have been straying far from friendly until they became completely traitorous.
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Domon
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Posted - 2003.12.13 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Domon on 13/12/2003 23:05:09
D'oh
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khalum
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Posted - 2003.12.14 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: khalum on 14/12/2003 02:41:49
well.. what to say? looks like it was impossible to avoid some kind of conflict..
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Sky Fox
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Posted - 2003.12.14 02:31:00 -
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mm.. it's a sad story.. :/
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