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Keira Skywatcher	Posted - 2007.01.16 19:50:00 - [1] OK, so CCP allow the sale of GTC's for ISK, it's not to everyones liking but its part of the game. This thread here shows exactly what people are getting away with http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=437901 IMO, this is complete abuse - 15 pages of sales in which the seller has amassed absolutely truckloads of ISK. CCP need to look into this, it's outrageous to be honest.
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.01.16 19:57:00 - [2] Well, clearly 250+ people just needed to pay for their accounts with ISK. Surely that guy has only spend $4000 real life dollars on helping others use game time cards to pay for their accounts and not to buy $4000+ worth of ISK for whatever reason... Threads like that just prove the whole GTC thing is nothing more than "legalized ISK buying" really. But whatever, if he's got thousands of dollars to spend winning EVE, more power to him I guess. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:08:00 - [3] Thing is he follows CCP guidelines on GTC selling far as I know. Has a very good reputation as well.
Alowishus Shadow Company Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:11:00 - [4] What do you care? How does it affect your gameplay? Jealous that you don't $4000 to spend buying isk from CCP (which is what selling GTC essentially is)? Yes, they're using IRL money to gain an ingame advantage but so is anyone who sells a char for isk or uses two accounts to mine/npc/agent more efficiently. Deal with it.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:11:00 - [5] certainly... for him it's "buying" isk for me it's letting someone else pay for my gametime this does open up EVE for a larger group of consumers. i wouldn't be surprised if a fraction of those GTC-isk flows right back to me
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:15:00 - [6] I think it's when you see replies like this: (heads in the sand quick) Linkage bidding 800mil for your bpo, will have isk once i sell time cards :) My offer of 800mil still stands as long as the time cards sell Yeah, pretty obvious.. and like when people on admit on thw forum that they fund there pvp losses by buying timecodes.... Bit of a slap in the face when the head GM has this opinion: Buying your way ahead in EVE is cheating, pure and simple But it's whatever, ccp allow it so get your head back in the sand. ______
Jas Dor Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:16:00 - [7] So it seems his alliance has taken up a collection of RL dollars and is converting to ISK. Lets see 50 members paying $10 a month in dues. Current exchange rate on GTC seems to be 10 Million ISK/USD so about 5 Billion isk/month. Not bad for a small alliance. Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU!
Futher Bezluden Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:26:00 - [8] Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 16/01/2007 20:24:53 Quote: Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her wallet. It is so big. scoff She looks like, one of those timecode sellers. But, y'know, who understands those EVE guys? scoff They only talk to her, because, she looks like a total prostitute, 'kay? I mean, her wallet, is just so big. scoff I can't believe it's just so round, it's like, out there, I mean - gross. Look! She's just so ... ******* rich! Don't be a hater, get a better job so you can do it too. THUKKER -Be Paranoid
Valan	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:33:00 - [9] Edited by: Valan on 16/01/2007 20:29:45 Originally by: Futher Bezluden Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 16/01/2007 20:24:53 Quote: Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her wallet. It is so big. scoff She looks like, one of those timecode sellers. But, y'know, who understands those EVE guys? scoff They only talk to her, because, she looks like a total prostitute, 'kay? I mean, her wallet, is just so big. scoff I can't believe it's just so round, it's like, out there, I mean - gross. Look! She's just so ... ******* rich! Don't be a hater, get a better job so you can do it too. There are only a limited number of people on the earth sad enough has nothing to do with RL cash. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Mira deVorsha Caldari Boards.ie	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:36:00 - [10] CCP is still making the money. Those that don't have money can play the game without having to pay. The only real issue that would come into this is if you got Isk sellers exploiting prices. (not sure if this even exists).
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:42:00 - [11] i think that ccp alow gtc sell for isk is good 1) cos ppl who dont have to spent rl money can play eve tho 2) it genery reduses to zero ghey ebay isk buying thingy ...
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:52:00 - [12] 1. CCP makes their money. 2. GTC seller gets his money back...(go where you want with this one) 3. Lazy arse computer freaks get to sit home all day collecting warefare from the goverment. And does not have to pay a cent to play Eve. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Mira deVorsha CCP is still making the money. Correct, it's exactly that, legalised rmt that ccp are now drawing a profit from. Originally by: Mira deVorsha Those that don't have money can play the game without having to pay. Correct again, something im in favour of where circumstances dictate (those living in less fortunate economic countries as the prime example) Originally by: Mira deVorsha The only real issue that would come into this is if you got Isk sellers exploiting prices. (not sure if this even exists). ohh dear Just how much some isk buying cheat decides to screw out of you realy isn't an issue ______
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 20:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Futher Bezluden Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 16/01/2007 20:24:53 Quote: Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her wallet. It is so big. scoff She looks like, one of those timecode sellers. But, y'know, who understands those EVE guys? scoff They only talk to her, because, she looks like a total prostitute, 'kay? I mean, her wallet, is just so big. scoff I can't believe it's just so round, it's like, out there, I mean - gross. Look! She's just so ... ***** rich! Don't be a hater, get a better job so you can do it too. you disgust me Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin** Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Ce'lestis Genco Olive Oil	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:13:00 - [15] I am bitter and angry that these people have disposable income to spend on a sanctioned game mechanic, because of this I'm going to post about how they are sad computer freaks and hope this somehow legitimises my complete lack of argument as to why what they are doing is wrong. Quote: 15 pages of sales in which the seller has amassed absolutely truckloads of ISK. Holy crap a truckload you say.... so what exactly is wrong with him having a truckload of ISK? Would you care if he had a truckload of ISK from mining for hours straight or winning the T2 lottery? Probably not.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:45:00 - [16] Edited by: Galk on 16/01/2007 21:43:29 Originally by: Ce'lestis I am bitter and angry that these people have disposable income to spend on a sanctioned game mechanic Steady. The only reason i post is because of the sheer hypocrisy and ignorance of the whole situation.... there have been flatloads of unbalanced santioned mechanics in eve over the coming on 4 years iv'e been here, nearly all phased out.. normaly all come in occompany with ccp's now famous 'never intented statements' not that timecode sales have anything to do with an ingame unbalanced mechanic anyway.. they're an entity you source with realtime currency (your own) to exchange to for ingame currency. This board is flooded on a daily basis with risk v's reward/concequence arguements attempted to be assoiated with the harsh realities of eve. These arguements are often peddled by some of the some of those very same people choose to never condem the obvious isk buying practices associated with gtc's.... which negate every point they ever make, in fact a few of them have even vocaly supported it. If i am bitter in any sense, it's mainly because of that situation.. certainly not the complete fools demonstrated by the op..... ______
Hamshoe	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Ce'lestis Holy crap a truckload you say.... so what exactly is wrong with him having a truckload of ISK? Is "risk = reward" still holy writ hereabouts? Where's the risk in selling codes? Kicked in the head by a horse, what's your excuse?
Barry Cantona Gallente Elite Angels Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:48:00 - [18] If these people are that sad IRL that they needto spend 1000s of pouunds/dollars on a game, then let them, its their stupidity, not ours.
Ce'lestis Genco Olive Oil	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Hamshoe Where's the risk in selling codes? Where's the risk in L4 highsec mission running? Where's the risk in winning the T2 BPO lottery? Where's the risk in trading in highsec Empire with a freighter in a newbie corp? Where's the risk in Cap Recharger II invention? There's a lot of ways to make ISK in EVE with absolutely zero risk so I'm afraid that maxim doesn't exactly hold a lot of water in this case.
Wige	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:07:00 - [20] They guy could be a director off some big ass company. So he doesnt have the time too play eve like you. Eve is all about ISK he spends his time working makeing RL money. You spend your time making isk, he buys the isk for the time he doenst have.
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Ce'lestis so what exactly is wrong with him having a truckload of ISK? Would you care if he had a truckload of ISK from mining for hours straight or winning the T2 lottery? Probably not. The difference is that the T2 lottery, as moronic as it is, is an in game method of making ISK. Selling game cards to buy ISK is an artificial, out of game, method for gathering in game items. The T2 lottery, level 4 missions, mining and any other method of getting ISK in game is regulated and balanced by the game mechanics. GTC sales are not. Therefore it adds in a ridiculously unleveled playing field for the players and alliances that choose to abuse this service in order to buy ISK for real money. As others have pointed out this is leading to higher prices for items as "ISK" is no longer something you earn in game, but something you buy out of game instead. There's a reason that buying ISK is against the EULA. Unfortunately, because of the money they make, CCP doesn't apply that same reasoning to buying ISK via Game Time Cards. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO
Cadillac Girl	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:31:00 - [22] I dont see the problem, tbh... Those with less time to play Eve, but a little RL cash get to enjoy the game they like... Those with the time to complex ***** get to keep a sense of smug superiority... Everyones a winner!
Ce'lestis Genco Olive Oil	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Kylania As others have pointed out this is leading to higher prices for items as "ISK" is no longer something you earn in game, but something you buy out of game instead. Thank you Captain Economics, here I thought that the initial rise in prices of most modules was due to the exponential growth of EVEs playerbase vs. the number of BPOs seeded and producing said modules. I also believed that price increases were due to more and more of the playerbase becoming able to use said modules or fly the aforementioned ships while again production levels remained at a very small level. Hell I also believed that since the re-seeding of numerous BPOs a lot of module and ship prices had in fact come down in price, not gone up. But apparently all this complex analysis of EVEs market, its shapings and its ups and downs are irrelevant because we can blame all market activity and price increases on timecards.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Keira Skywatcher OK, so CCP allow the sale of GTC's for ISK, it's not to everyones liking but its part of the game. This thread here shows exactly what people are getting away with http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=437901 IMO, this is complete abuse - 15 pages of sales in which the seller has amassed absolutely truckloads of ISK. CCP need to look into this, it's outrageous to be honest. All this shows is that there aren't enough people selling GTC's. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Irrilian Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Wige They guy could be a director off some big ass company. So he doesnt have the time too play eve like you. Eve is all about ISK he spends his time working makeing RL money. You spend your time making isk, he buys the isk for the time he doenst have. I was playing Monopoly earlier today. I wasn't having much luck so during a break I went out and bought another box. After the return from the break the game went a lot better, whenever I needed more cash I just reached into the other box and used its cash. Counting out notes grew a bit tiresome after a while, so I grabbed a handful of hotels and location cards too. I like Monopoly now. PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery
Araxmas Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:35:00 - [26] Your wealth in RL should in no-way reflect on your status in a game. Yet buying gtc with ISK does help people who have trouble buying months conventionally. So not sure where I stand on this one. --------
NiBk	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Irrilian I was playing Monopoly earlier today. I wasn't having much luck so during a break I went out and bought another box. After the return from the break the game went a lot better, whenever I needed more cash I just reached into the other box and used its cash. Counting out notes grew a bit tiresome after a while, so I grabbed a handful of hotels and location cards too. I like Monopoly now. Worst Analogy Ever.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:42:00 - [28] Quote: There's a reason that buying ISK is against the EULA. Unfortunately, because of the money they make, CCP doesn't apply that same reasoning to buying ISK via Game Time Cards. CCP has to put food on the table ya know. Unlike the ebay crowd the GTC buyers and sellers both play the game instead of one playing and the other spending 8 hours a day farming low ends 6 days a week. Would you rather these big time GTC sellers just spend the exact same RL cash on accounts to make character farms? Pretty good isk in selling pre-made alts on the forums.
RtoZ	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:44:00 - [29] I get far more peeved off at the rarity of tech 2 BPOs than I do at some guy spending his real life cash to buy pretend money. Plus, if it wasn't for this I would not be able to start on my ALT account, which is something I need for my long term plans in the game. I can get what most of these isk sellers get without spending real life cash, and it allows me to pay for my gametime. Quite cool tbh. I would not have a problem with people spending real life money to buy ingame items either, because of: What people should realize is that the main progression bottleneck in EVE is skill training. It is possible to make far more isk than your skills allow you to actually use, so unless you have an icon fetiche, most of the cool stuff in the game will sit in some station untill ccp think you have waited enough (ie, paid enough subs) to actually use it. Not that the system is that bad, EVE has a metric ton of digital content, but the point is people cutting the ISK corner really dosen't give them that big an advantage. Personally I think EVE is missing a revenue opportunity in not making an official evebay, where they would take a small percentage of money to isk aquisitions. EVE is grown up gaming folks, and grown ups usually have some money. A lot of them have more money than time. Between the guys with little money and a lot of time, and the guys with no time and a lot of money, it balances itself out in a very nice way imo.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Ce'lestis Edited by: Ce''lestis on 16/01/2007 21:58:14 Originally by: Hamshoe Where's the risk in selling codes? Where's the risk in L4 highsec mission running? You've clearly never heard of loft, or others like him. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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