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DropCam
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.20 12:02:29 -
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.12.20 12:09:24 -
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Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor. |
lost packet
Alpha Flight
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Posted - 2015.12.20 12:30:15 -
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Get a job? You also get to benefit from stepping away from the computer once in awhile :) |
W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.20 12:42:34 -
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I've been paying for 2 monthly subs since 2009. I've had 3 accounts for 4 or 5 years now. 15 bucks a month X3 and never plex. I don't even want to do the math lol. I'm just glad the prices Havnt gone up since its 3 fold for me. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:13:20 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor.
The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, as EVE players like to say, adapt or die.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:43:25 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor. The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, as EVE players like to say, adapt or die.
Based on which facts? Or is that just poor people repeating it often enough that others actually think it's true? Just because it's done a whole lot atm, because people haven't woken up yet realising that it's actually NOT in their own benefit, doesn't mean it stays that way. I wouldn't be at all surprised that in the not so distant future a large portion of gamers get fed up with the ever expanding fuckery of micro transactions and start to boycott it.
Your stance is no different from "Well, this new MMO that you're working on, EVE, doesn't in any way compare to other MMO's out there like EverQuest, DaoC and UO. This will never work, you should just adapt to what everyone else is doing" back in 2002.
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D'deridex Omerta
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:44:12 -
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You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you? |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:46:15 -
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D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you?
We've all been paying and playing the game just fine, for over a decade so your logic, if any, makes no sense. Also "you Americans" is bit silly. EVE is mostly EU based. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.20 14:00:10 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor. The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, as EVE players like to say, adapt or die. Ehh care to qualify any of that?
D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you? Gregor isn't American, neither am I or the majority of players I know.
If you would take your foot out of your mouth before responding that would be great.
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.20 14:20:39 -
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I prefer to pay a monthly sub, i'm happy with the price
I work 6days a week, been in the same job since 2002. Never missed a bill or birthday. Always had enough money to pay for a monthly sub with all games i tend to play. Fact is "I'm not super intellectual" , but if you can't afford to pay for something, then "Just don't do it". Well thats what i tend to do, prioritize my income / life.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.12.20 15:05:58 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...).
They're botching the microtransactions on the NEX and the SKINs pretty badly.
There's no convenience (for previewing full outfits for example, do the pants go with the jacket?); there are only "rare" expensive "designer" outfits and no cheap bulk outfits for the common folk, and the rate at which they're updating the inventory feels like an afterthought. Also, "dark and gritty colors" is the same vision as "this is a PVP game"; unfortunately the majority of the player base insists on PVE'ing in high-sec, completely ignoring CCP. |
W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.20 15:12:27 -
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Besides the fact more people play in Europe then America. The. Euro is worth a bit more then the US dollar right now. Wich means with conversion rates we are paying less. ( I'm american). Compared to us people in the UK are paying something like 20 a month. So that American comment really makes even less sense then originally thought.
I'm in full agreement with microtransaction hate in eve though. I'm a form believer the aurum shouldn't exist. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:54:35 -
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D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you? Regardless of which part of the world you live in, if 15 bucks is too much for you you should be spending that money on food and shelter rather than EVE. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:00:21 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you? Regardless of which part of the world you live in, if 15 bucks is too much for you you should be spending that money on food and shelter rather than EVE. That makes too much sense. :)
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Alternate Allegiance
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:04:04 -
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9.95 what? Riyals? Yen? Baht?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:11:21 -
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Christopher AET wrote:9.95 what? Riyals? Yen? Baht? ISK
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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:22:12 -
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As someone from not-so-rich country, I'll give a little hint: Subscription fee is not the same for everyone. While some people are paying many dollars, I pay $6.15/mo in easy-to-pickup 6 month offer. Oh, and yearly one? $5.67/mo.
Guess why such thing as "region lock" exist? Giving hefty discounts to poor people, making them affordable. Without lock part, everyone would buy cheap stuff from middlemen who can buy stuff cheap, stealing quite a piece of a pie from officials. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:27:42 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. I remember CCP saying almost exactly this around the time they lost themselves 10% of their subscribers.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:38:17 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. I remember CCP saying almost exactly this around the time they lost themselves 10% of their subscribers.
And yet, because CCP decided to be less underhanded and ****** and instead put more time into EVE, the population grew quite a bit. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:41:11 -
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Leila Meurtrier wrote:As someone from not-so-rich country, I'll give a little hint: Subscription fee is not the same for everyone. While some people are paying many dollars, I pay $6.15/mo in easy-to-pickup 6 month offer. Oh, and yearly one? $5.67/mo.
Guess why such thing as "region lock" exist? Giving hefty discounts to poor people, making them affordable. Without lock part, everyone would buy cheap stuff from middlemen who can buy stuff cheap, stealing quite a piece of a pie from officials.
Region locks were made for advertising restrictions not for poor countries. A company might have a Pepsi agreement for continental US, but a Coca Cola agreement for Europe. Companies simply don't want people ruining their add revenue stream, and advertising companies want their adds to be seen by their target audience.
Region locks were made to make money not as a form of philanthropy.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:46:40 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Leila Meurtrier wrote:As someone from not-so-rich country, I'll give a little hint: Subscription fee is not the same for everyone. While some people are paying many dollars, I pay $6.15/mo in easy-to-pickup 6 month offer. Oh, and yearly one? $5.67/mo.
Guess why such thing as "region lock" exist? Giving hefty discounts to poor people, making them affordable. Without lock part, everyone would buy cheap stuff from middlemen who can buy stuff cheap, stealing quite a piece of a pie from officials. Region locks were made for advertising restrictions not for poor countries. A company might have a Pepsi agreement for continental US, but a Coca Cola agreement for Europe. Companies simply don't want people ruining their add revenue stream, and advertising companies want their adds to be seen by their target audience. regardless its a nice consequence.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:28:52 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. - a bottle of so-so wine or 6-pack of beer is about $10 and usually won't last 2 or 3 days (maybe not even a day if you're like me). - a NICE meal at a restaurant is about $10 to $15 and won't last more than 30 minutes to an hour. - a monthly gym membership is about $10 to $20 a month and, on average, people don't go to it more than 3 days a week for an hour or two at a time. - a good night at the bar with friends will EASILY cost $50 and MAYBE you remember about 3 hours of the experience, followed by hours of pain the morning after.
EVE's cost of about $15 a month (less if you get an extended subscriptoon) gives you you unlimited access for 30 days to a world where you can freely interact (for better or worse) with several thousand similar people (see: nerds) in ways that can keep you occupied for hours.
As far as entertainment and services go... EVE is a bargain.
Comparing EVE to video games in general...
- People buy $200 to $400 USD consoles. ----- Averaged over the course of a year that is ~$16 to $33 USD per month. ----- Plus, some consoles require monthly subscriptions of about $5 to $10 USD on top of that.
- And then there are the games themselves that come separately. ------ Average "cheap" (or old) titles are about $10 to $15 USD... which is about $0.80 to $1.25 USD a month. The catch is that people will only play these games for a limited period of time... either because there is about 10 to 20 hours worth of single player content or a dwindling multiplayer community that receives minimal support from its maker (which is already moving on to the "next best thing). So you buy "more than a few" of these kinds of titles. ------ Average "AAA" titles are about $60 USD... usually with 15 to 20 USD "expansions" / "digital download packs." So that is about $60 to $80 USD overall... which is $5 to $6 USD a month. And then new versions of that "AAA" title come out every year or two... so you have to shell out another $60 to $80 USD.
It all adds up.
However EVE... - doesn't make you pay for expansions - doesn't essentially require you to buy "extra content" in order to play with everyone else - doesn't make you pay for a "new version" of itself year after year - has the potential for limitless content (provided you are social) - it still receiving a fair bit of attention from its makers
TigerXtrm wrote:I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. ... CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, Says who? You?
People have been saying this since I first joined back in 2009. And here we are today. So forgive me if I don't share your outlook.
TigerXtrm wrote:Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model Proof?
And no, PLEX does not count. It has been around for years as a way to beat back RMT and cater to the common issue of some players being "RL-wealthy, In-game-poor" and "RL-poor, in-game rich."
TigerXtrm wrote: CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, Vanity Microtransactions =/= hearalding of F2P
I am curious though... what makes you think that EVE "has" to be F2P? Much the same way I don't see all burger shops emulating McDonald's (while still being rather successful), I don't really see why EVE needs to emulate other games.
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DropCam
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.21 00:21:50 -
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What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions? Isn't this what makes Free to Play games umm..FTP? |
Jill Xelitras
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Posted - 2015.12.21 00:57:14 -
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DropCam wrote:What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions? Isn't this what makes Free to Play games umm..FTP?
Possible reasons:
1. Helps keeping the subscrption fee at a stable 14.95 or lower since 2003 despite wages and other costs rising due to inflation.
2. Additional revenue is always nice. Next we'll hopefully see the eve store back online (and with better shipping deals).
3. Helps finance new content creation. This is especially helpful when the content is not appreciated by the whole community and you mnage to only make the people pay who actually consume your creations. (Do you like my dress ?)
4. ?????
5. Profit
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2015.12.21 02:06:37 -
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I'd be willing to pay $30 a month if it meant the life of the game. Hell. I spend three times that on a Friday night in a bar. We're talking chump change here
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2015.12.21 03:46:20 -
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With plex and being able to play cheaper prices are nice but not necessary imo. I dislike the microtransactions less because they exist but because everyone thinks that this is the way forward. Value is the way forward. Giving and supplying a product that people value that they are willing to pay for to the point of creating more value. Rather than milking the populace for everything you can get out of them like a cheap dime store.
I play Eve because of that value I find in it and tbh I dont find a lot of value in the world around me these days. If CCP screws up that value then fair enough, but until then its worth every cent to me and that coming from me is high praise if youd know me. If anything thats the only thing Id like to see CCP invest back into Eve is true value rather than selling out. They have a superior position to create value as they are already a niche market. Course we all will argue about what is "value" to us till the cows come home in GD and elsewhere anyway.
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Rath Blazit
InVizitek
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Posted - 2015.12.21 03:54:47 -
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And let's not forget hookers. $120 per half hour MINIMUM! |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.12.21 04:29:31 -
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DropCam wrote:What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions?
Microtransactions are extra revenue for CCP that is optional for the players. If they increase the subscription to $30 for everyone, they'll lose a lot of subscriptions; on the other hand if they offer microtransactions they can get more money from the "rich" people who have money to spend, without forcing everyone else to pay more.
In addition, microtransactions have been around for a few years now, and the statistical data accumulated from other games seems to indicate that a "free to play" game that has microtransactions makes a hell of a lot more money than subscription games. So that's why everybody wants microtransactions.
It wouldn't affect your spaceships game if CCP implemented more outfits for the NEX store, and more desirable paint skins for ships; it's fluff, who cares? Except it would make them money. But they suck at doing it right. They're pretty good at "creative ideas" and "cool new stuff" but really suck at "follow-up iterations" and "grinding content" into the NEX or whatever. Always have, probably always will. |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Imperium Mordor
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Posted - 2015.12.21 06:36:40 -
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OMG!
I started buying by the year years ago when I got a clue that it was cheaper.
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Tristan Agion
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.21 09:14:39 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:It wouldn't affect your spaceships game if CCP implemented more outfits for the NEX store, and more desirable paint skins for ships; it's fluff, who cares? Except it would make them money. But they suck at doing it right. They're pretty good at "creative ideas" and "cool new stuff" but really suck at "follow-up iterations" and "grinding content" into the NEX or whatever. Always have, probably always will. Indeed. As someone who actually has poured real money into virtual clothes (which nobody ever sees but oneself) and ship skins (mostly the same), I have to say that both the store itself and the merchandise on offer there are decidedly sub-par. It's like CCP really would prefer that I spend my extra cash on something more sensible...
However, the two issues that most infuriate me are "technical".
1) Why on earth can I not access the store with a browser on the web? Why is it in-game only?! If the store is using the game engine to do fancy stuff (yeah, right...), and that's impossible online (yeah, right...), then just switch off the fancy for the web.
2) Why are there about as much, or perhaps even more, apparel items listed in the game (including info and pics) that are in fact not accessible for players. I mean not just that one cannot buy them in the store, but quite simply that no player apparently has them.
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