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DropCam
Republic University
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Posted - 2015.12.20 12:02:29 -
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.12.20 12:09:24 -
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Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor. |
lost packet
Alpha Flight
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Posted - 2015.12.20 12:30:15 -
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Get a job? You also get to benefit from stepping away from the computer once in awhile :) |
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.20 12:42:34 -
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I've been paying for 2 monthly subs since 2009. I've had 3 accounts for 4 or 5 years now. 15 bucks a month X3 and never plex. I don't even want to do the math lol. I'm just glad the prices Havnt gone up since its 3 fold for me. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:13:20 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor.
The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, as EVE players like to say, adapt or die.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:43:25 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor. The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, as EVE players like to say, adapt or die.
Based on which facts? Or is that just poor people repeating it often enough that others actually think it's true? Just because it's done a whole lot atm, because people haven't woken up yet realising that it's actually NOT in their own benefit, doesn't mean it stays that way. I wouldn't be at all surprised that in the not so distant future a large portion of gamers get fed up with the ever expanding fuckery of micro transactions and start to boycott it.
Your stance is no different from "Well, this new MMO that you're working on, EVE, doesn't in any way compare to other MMO's out there like EverQuest, DaoC and UO. This will never work, you should just adapt to what everyone else is doing" back in 2002.
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D'deridex Omerta
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:44:12 -
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You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you? |
Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2015.12.20 13:46:15 -
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D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you?
We've all been paying and playing the game just fine, for over a decade so your logic, if any, makes no sense. Also "you Americans" is bit silly. EVE is mostly EU based. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13176
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Posted - 2015.12.20 14:00:10 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor. The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, as EVE players like to say, adapt or die.
Ehh care to qualify any of that?
D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you?
Gregor isn't American, neither am I or the majority of players I know.
If you would take your foot out of your mouth before responding that would be great.
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
166
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Posted - 2015.12.20 14:20:39 -
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I prefer to pay a monthly sub, i'm happy with the price 
I work 6days a week, been in the same job since 2002. Never missed a bill or birthday. Always had enough money to pay for a monthly sub with all games i tend to play. Fact is "I'm not super intellectual" , but if you can't afford to pay for something, then "Just don't do it". Well thats what i tend to do, prioritize my income / life.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.12.20 15:05:58 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...).
They're botching the microtransactions on the NEX and the SKINs pretty badly.
There's no convenience (for previewing full outfits for example, do the pants go with the jacket?); there are only "rare" expensive "designer" outfits and no cheap bulk outfits for the common folk, and the rate at which they're updating the inventory feels like an afterthought. Also, "dark and gritty colors" is the same vision as "this is a PVP game"; unfortunately the majority of the player base insists on PVE'ing in high-sec, completely ignoring CCP. |
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.20 15:12:27 -
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Besides the fact more people play in Europe then America. The. Euro is worth a bit more then the US dollar right now. Wich means with conversion rates we are paying less. ( I'm american). Compared to us people in the UK are paying something like 20 a month. So that American comment really makes even less sense then originally thought.
I'm in full agreement with microtransaction hate in eve though. I'm a form believer the aurum shouldn't exist. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
751
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:54:35 -
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D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you?
Regardless of which part of the world you live in, if 15 bucks is too much for you you should be spending that money on food and shelter rather than EVE. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:00:21 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you? Regardless of which part of the world you live in, if 15 bucks is too much for you you should be spending that money on food and shelter rather than EVE.
That makes too much sense. :)
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
Alternate Allegiance
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:04:04 -
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9.95 what? Riyals? Yen? Baht?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:11:21 -
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Christopher AET wrote:9.95 what? Riyals? Yen? Baht?
ISK
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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:22:12 -
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As someone from not-so-rich country, I'll give a little hint: Subscription fee is not the same for everyone.
While some people are paying many dollars, I pay $6.15/mo in easy-to-pickup 6 month offer.
Oh, and yearly one? $5.67/mo.
Guess why such thing as "region lock" exist? Giving hefty discounts to poor people, making them affordable. Without lock part, everyone would buy cheap stuff from middlemen who can buy stuff cheap, stealing quite a piece of a pie from officials. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
2004
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:27:42 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. I remember CCP saying almost exactly this around the time they lost themselves 10% of their subscribers.
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:38:17 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. I remember CCP saying almost exactly this around the time they lost themselves 10% of their subscribers.
And yet, because CCP decided to be less underhanded and ****** and instead put more time into EVE, the population grew quite a bit. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:41:11 -
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Leila Meurtrier wrote:As someone from not-so-rich country, I'll give a little hint: Subscription fee is not the same for everyone.
While some people are paying many dollars, I pay $6.15/mo in easy-to-pickup 6 month offer.
Oh, and yearly one? $5.67/mo.
Guess why such thing as "region lock" exist? Giving hefty discounts to poor people, making them affordable. Without lock part, everyone would buy cheap stuff from middlemen who can buy stuff cheap, stealing quite a piece of a pie from officials.
Region locks were made for advertising restrictions not for poor countries. A company might have a Pepsi agreement for continental US, but a Coca Cola agreement for Europe. Companies simply don't want people ruining their add revenue stream, and advertising companies want their adds to be seen by their target audience.
Region locks were made to make money not as a form of philanthropy.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:46:40 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Leila Meurtrier wrote:As someone from not-so-rich country, I'll give a little hint: Subscription fee is not the same for everyone.
While some people are paying many dollars, I pay $6.15/mo in easy-to-pickup 6 month offer.
Oh, and yearly one? $5.67/mo.
Guess why such thing as "region lock" exist? Giving hefty discounts to poor people, making them affordable. Without lock part, everyone would buy cheap stuff from middlemen who can buy stuff cheap, stealing quite a piece of a pie from officials. Region locks were made for advertising restrictions not for poor countries. A company might have a Pepsi agreement for continental US, but a Coca Cola agreement for Europe. Companies simply don't want people ruining their add revenue stream, and advertising companies want their adds to be seen by their target audience.
regardless its a nice consequence.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:28:52 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game.
- a bottle of so-so wine or 6-pack of beer is about $10 and usually won't last 2 or 3 days (maybe not even a day if you're like me).
- a NICE meal at a restaurant is about $10 to $15 and won't last more than 30 minutes to an hour.
- a monthly gym membership is about $10 to $20 a month and, on average, people don't go to it more than 3 days a week for an hour or two at a time.
- a good night at the bar with friends will EASILY cost $50 and MAYBE you remember about 3 hours of the experience, followed by hours of pain the morning after.
EVE's cost of about $15 a month (less if you get an extended subscriptoon) gives you you unlimited access for 30 days to a world where you can freely interact (for better or worse) with several thousand similar people (see: nerds) in ways that can keep you occupied for hours.
As far as entertainment and services go... EVE is a bargain.
Comparing EVE to video games in general...
- People buy $200 to $400 USD consoles.
----- Averaged over the course of a year that is ~$16 to $33 USD per month.
----- Plus, some consoles require monthly subscriptions of about $5 to $10 USD on top of that.
- And then there are the games themselves that come separately.
------ Average "cheap" (or old) titles are about $10 to $15 USD... which is about $0.80 to $1.25 USD a month.
The catch is that people will only play these games for a limited period of time... either because there is about 10 to 20 hours worth of single player content or a dwindling multiplayer community that receives minimal support from its maker (which is already moving on to the "next best thing). So you buy "more than a few" of these kinds of titles.
------ Average "AAA" titles are about $60 USD... usually with 15 to 20 USD "expansions" / "digital download packs."
So that is about $60 to $80 USD overall... which is $5 to $6 USD a month.
And then new versions of that "AAA" title come out every year or two... so you have to shell out another $60 to $80 USD.
It all adds up.
However EVE...
- doesn't make you pay for expansions
- doesn't essentially require you to buy "extra content" in order to play with everyone else
- doesn't make you pay for a "new version" of itself year after year
- has the potential for limitless content (provided you are social)
- it still receiving a fair bit of attention from its makers
TigerXtrm wrote:I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years.
...
CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years,
Says who? You?
People have been saying this since I first joined back in 2009. And here we are today. So forgive me if I don't share your outlook.
TigerXtrm wrote:Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model
Proof?
And no, PLEX does not count. It has been around for years as a way to beat back RMT and cater to the common issue of some players being "RL-wealthy, In-game-poor" and "RL-poor, in-game rich."
TigerXtrm wrote: CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to,
Vanity Microtransactions =/= hearalding of F2P
I am curious though... what makes you think that EVE "has" to be F2P? Much the same way I don't see all burger shops emulating McDonald's (while still being rather successful), I don't really see why EVE needs to emulate other games.
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DropCam
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2015.12.21 00:21:50 -
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What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions?
Isn't this what makes Free to Play games umm..FTP? |
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
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Posted - 2015.12.21 00:57:14 -
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DropCam wrote:What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions?
Isn't this what makes Free to Play games umm..FTP?
Possible reasons:
1. Helps keeping the subscrption fee at a stable 14.95 or lower since 2003 despite wages and other costs rising due to inflation.
2. Additional revenue is always nice. Next we'll hopefully see the eve store back online (and with better shipping deals).
3. Helps finance new content creation. This is especially helpful when the content is not appreciated by the whole community and you mnage to only make the people pay who actually consume your creations. (Do you like my dress ?)
4. ?????
5. Profit
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
558
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Posted - 2015.12.21 02:06:37 -
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I'd be willing to pay $30 a month if it meant the life of the game. Hell. I spend three times that on a Friday night in a bar.
We're talking chump change here
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
575
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Posted - 2015.12.21 03:46:20 -
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With plex and being able to play cheaper prices are nice but not necessary imo. I dislike the microtransactions less because they exist but because everyone thinks that this is the way forward. Value is the way forward. Giving and supplying a product that people value that they are willing to pay for to the point of creating more value. Rather than milking the populace for everything you can get out of them like a cheap dime store.
I play Eve because of that value I find in it and tbh I dont find a lot of value in the world around me these days. If CCP screws up that value then fair enough, but until then its worth every cent to me and that coming from me is high praise if youd know me. If anything thats the only thing Id like to see CCP invest back into Eve is true value rather than selling out. They have a superior position to create value as they are already a niche market. Course we all will argue about what is "value" to us till the cows come home in GD and elsewhere anyway. 
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Rath Blazit
InVizitek
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Posted - 2015.12.21 03:54:47 -
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And let's not forget hookers. $120 per half hour MINIMUM! |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.12.21 04:29:31 -
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DropCam wrote:What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions?
Microtransactions are extra revenue for CCP that is optional for the players. If they increase the subscription to $30 for everyone, they'll lose a lot of subscriptions; on the other hand if they offer microtransactions they can get more money from the "rich" people who have money to spend, without forcing everyone else to pay more.
In addition, microtransactions have been around for a few years now, and the statistical data accumulated from other games seems to indicate that a "free to play" game that has microtransactions makes a hell of a lot more money than subscription games. So that's why everybody wants microtransactions.
It wouldn't affect your spaceships game if CCP implemented more outfits for the NEX store, and more desirable paint skins for ships; it's fluff, who cares? Except it would make them money. But they suck at doing it right. They're pretty good at "creative ideas" and "cool new stuff" but really suck at "follow-up iterations" and "grinding content" into the NEX or whatever. Always have, probably always will. |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
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Posted - 2015.12.21 06:36:40 -
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OMG!
I started buying by the year years ago when I got a clue that it was cheaper.
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Tristan Agion
Viziam
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2015.12.21 09:14:39 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:It wouldn't affect your spaceships game if CCP implemented more outfits for the NEX store, and more desirable paint skins for ships; it's fluff, who cares? Except it would make them money. But they suck at doing it right. They're pretty good at "creative ideas" and "cool new stuff" but really suck at "follow-up iterations" and "grinding content" into the NEX or whatever. Always have, probably always will.
Indeed. As someone who actually has poured real money into virtual clothes (which nobody ever sees but oneself) and ship skins (mostly the same), I have to say that both the store itself and the merchandise on offer there are decidedly sub-par. It's like CCP really would prefer that I spend my extra cash on something more sensible...
However, the two issues that most infuriate me are "technical".
1) Why on earth can I not access the store with a browser on the web? Why is it in-game only?! If the store is using the game engine to do fancy stuff (yeah, right...), and that's impossible online (yeah, right...), then just switch off the fancy for the web.
2) Why are there about as much, or perhaps even more, apparel items listed in the game (including info and pics) that are in fact not accessible for players. I mean not just that one cannot buy them in the store, but quite simply that no player apparently has them.
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D'deridex Omerta
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Posted - 2015.12.21 14:03:05 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you? We've all been paying and playing the game just fine for over a decade so your logic, if any, makes no sense. Also "you Americans" is bit silly. EVE is mostly EU based.
To say that no one has trouble paying for the sub is not true. I wouldnt be surprised if you know a guy or two who took a break cos they had money issues but never told anyone the real reason.
US, EU what difference does it make its still a lot of money for some people. And im not saying that those people are poor its just that their work is compensated with a currency that is worth less then the euro or the dollar. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.21 14:09:27 -
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D'deridex Omerta wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you? We've all been paying and playing the game just fine for over a decade so your logic, if any, makes no sense. Also "you Americans" is bit silly. EVE is mostly EU based. To say that no one has trouble paying for the sub is not true. I wouldnt be surprised if you know a guy or two who took a break cos they had money issues but never told anyone the real reason. US, EU what difference does it make its still a lot of money for some people. And im not saying that those people are poor its just that their work is compensated with a currency that is worth less then the euro or the dollar.
So what?
No one is entitled to play this game.
No one should play this game if it affects their real life badly.
If 15bucks a month is too mucn, then they can't play unless they can gind the ISK ...
... but if they can do that, they can find a better job just as much and it would benefit their life.
What nonsense drives you to think the game should be cheaper for people who struggle in real life?
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
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Posted - 2015.12.21 14:12:32 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor.
you now pay the same for a digital copy of a game as you do for an actual disc and case, sometimes more, how does that even work 
If the game is too much then there is plenty of f2p games on the market 
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.21 14:20:55 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:DropCam wrote:What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions? Microtransactions are extra revenue for CCP that is optional for the players. If they increase the subscription to $30 for everyone, they'll lose a lot of subscriptions; on the other hand if they offer microtransactions they can get more money from the "rich" people who have money to spend, without forcing everyone else to pay more. In addition, microtransactions have been around for a few years now, and the statistical data accumulated from other games seems to indicate that a "free to play" game that has microtransactions makes a hell of a lot more money than subscription games. So that's why everybody wants microtransactions. It wouldn't affect your spaceships game if CCP implemented more outfits for the NEX store, and more desirable paint skins for ships; it's fluff, who cares? Except it would make them money. But they suck at doing it right. They're pretty good at "creative ideas" and "cool new stuff" but really suck at "follow-up iterations" and "grinding content" into the NEX or whatever. Always have, probably always will.
Everything that targets the main modern gaming audience ...
... those with self esteem issues ...
... is selling well.
It's a no brainer. CCP would make a shitton of money with gold ammo and stat boosting **** ...
... just before the game dies a horrible death.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13179
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Posted - 2015.12.21 14:20:58 -
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Relevant
People aren't "poor", it's just how they look at 'relative value'. 50 freaking cents a day (that is what EVE online costs a monthly subscriber in USD) for access to ALL of EVE is an unbelievable bargain. Going with my family to spend only TWO HOURS seeing Star Wars this week will cost me altogether (in gas, over priced movie theater 'food' and tickets) something like 3 months of EVE time.
Put another way, I'm going to spend two hours watching a story that includes an old guy (Harrison Ford) fly a modified industrial ship against some "imperial" typers for the same cost of 3 months of BEING an old guy (well, i feel old) actually (virtually) trying to fly a modified industrial ship against some "imperium" types lol.
But people don't do that, they compare EVE to free to play crap (because they are all "mmos") that has the life span of an malnourished arthritic gadfly, then refuse to subscribe. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2429
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Posted - 2015.12.21 15:40:13 -
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If anything, due to inflation over 12 years, the price should be around 17 USD/month now.
And that's counting only 1% inflation/years.
That is a whopping 57c per day. |
Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations
Get Off My Lawn
367
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Posted - 2015.12.21 15:48:54 -
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9.95 a month, free updates, all the hatemail and forum dross I can handle? Sounds a bargain to me.
If you are complaining about the cost because "it's a large chunk of my weekly cash" then I'm wondering how you managed to afford a computer to play it on, the internet to play it over, and the roof over your head to keep the rain off your PC in the first place.
It sounds harsh, but free PC games and subscriptions are NOT a Human Right.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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DropCam wrote:This is where i want to be..
Come on you can do this!
It's Christmas!!
If you don't have RL money to pay for subs you can always join an Alliance in null and start AFKing your plexes each month. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7023
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Posted - 2015.12.21 16:54:10 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor. The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though.
Tell that to the more than ten years that EVE has sustained it.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7023
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Posted - 2015.12.21 16:55:15 -
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Mithandra wrote:It sounds harsh, but free PC games and subscriptions are NOT a Human Right.
They also tend to be the worst, most dumbed down casual trash out there. You get what you pay for.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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DaReaper
Net 7
2708
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Posted - 2015.12.21 17:30:48 -
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Honestly, just no.
eve should never go to free to play, it might, but it shouldn't
the nex is to supplement eve. thats it.
just pay the damn fee or grind for plex.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
217
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Posted - 2015.12.22 07:32:44 -
[42] - Quote
D'deridex Omerta wrote:You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you?
i'm from a 3rd world south-east asian coutnry, i still consider $15/month a cheap hobby.
if you can't afford to waste $15 a month, stop playing and get a better job/complete school first.
Just Add Water
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DropCam
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2015.12.22 08:20:06 -
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You should really learn how to spell "country" before advising people to go to school. |
Capsups
Requiem Knowledge
Mortum Ravagers
49
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Posted - 2015.12.22 08:28:18 -
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DropCam wrote:You should really learn how to spell "country" before advising people to go to school.
Man, you must feel superior on top of your high horse there mate. The fact that the guy accidentally mistyped 't' before 'n' on his keyboard is enough proof to you to reach the conclusion that he can't spell properly at all?
Lets hope you never mistype anything in your life ever then. |
Clee Torriss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.12.22 11:40:16 -
[45] - Quote
Wow, eve-o forums have devolved into a republican hate fest. Lets call people poor and tell them they are **** because of it!!
*Shakes head and walks away* |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
217
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Posted - 2015.12.22 12:02:48 -
[46] - Quote
Clee Torriss wrote:Wow, eve-o forums have devolved into a republican hate fest. Lets call people poor and tell them they are **** because of it!!
*Shakes head and walks away*
nothing wrong about being poor, i am poor. i am a farmer's son.
what's wrong is begging for cheap things to be even cheaper, because honestly, there's no reason why you can't afford EvE subs. it's so damn cheap.
and as a friendly advice, if you really can't afford EvE sub then you have bigger problems and better stop playing and focus on those problems first.
Just Add Water
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7046
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Posted - 2015.12.22 12:25:24 -
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Clee Torriss wrote:Wow, eve-o forums have devolved into a republican hate fest. Lets call people poor and tell them they are **** because of it!!
*Shakes head and walks away*
There is so much wrong with this statement I can't even.
Well, I can, and I will.
Firstly, I'll address calling people poor. In the context it's used here, it's used for two things: as hyperbole to highlight the ridiculous nature of complaining that what essentially equates to 50 cents a day is too expensive, and as a joke for trolling and ridicule. There's nothing hateful about it.
Secondly, and putting aside the fact that political discussion or anything that might incite political conflict is banned on these forums (please read the rules), you are conflating republican with hate. Now, I'm a centrist, a little left of center actually (let's avoid giggling at any Jim Carey joke references please), and I can tell you right now that people on the left are just as capable of hate as people on the right, and people on the right are not, by nature of being on the right, hateful. They have a different set of values that might come into conflict with the values of people on the left, but if you think they get those values from a place of hate, I can assure you, so does the left when it demands things like affirmative action and mandatory 'feelings' classes at university. What I do see a lot, however, is the horseshoe effect, where people so far extreme left tend to meet at the same authoritarian place as people who go so far extreme right. These are the same people that are always blaming the other side of the 'divide' for the world's problems when, in actuality, their delusion that there is a divide, rather than a spectrum, is merely created by the gap between your face and the mirror.
Thirdly, and finally, no one, not one person, even vaguely implied that anyone was **** because they were poor. You concocted that interpretation all by your little lonesome, and to demonise people for your own subjective ideological interpretation of events taking place in this thread instead of attempting to form a rational thought around what's been said here so far says more about you than anyone else here.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28283
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Posted - 2015.12.22 12:28:31 -
[48] - Quote
Clee Torriss wrote:Wow, eve-o forums have devolved into a republican hate fest. Lets call people poor and tell them they are **** because of it!!
*Shakes head and walks away*
Cam?
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Clee Torriss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.12.22 12:30:49 -
[49] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Clee Torriss wrote:Wow, eve-o forums have devolved into a republican hate fest. Lets call people poor and tell them they are **** because of it!!
*Shakes head and walks away* There is so much wrong with this statement I can't even. Well, I can, and I will. Firstly, I'll address calling people poor. In the context it's used here, it's used for two things: as hyperbole to highlight the ridiculous nature of complaining that what essentially equates to 50 cents a day is too expensive, and as a joke for trolling and ridicule. There's nothing hateful about it. Secondly, and putting aside the fact that political discussion or anything that might incite political conflict is banned on these forums (please read the rules), you are conflating republican with hate. Now, I'm a centrist, a little left of center actually (let's avoid giggling at any Jim Carey joke references please), and I can tell you right now that people on the left are just as capable of hate as people on the right, and people on the right are not, by nature of being on the right, hateful. They have a different set of values that might come into conflict with the values of people on the left, but if you think they get those values from a place of hate, I can assure you, so does the left when it demands things like affirmative action and mandatory 'feelings' classes at university. What I do see a lot, however, is the horseshoe effect, where people so far extreme left tend to meet at the same authoritarian place as people who go so far extreme right. These are the same people that are always blaming the other side of the 'divide' for the world's problems when, in actuality, their delusion that there is a divide, rather than a spectrum, is merely created by the gap between your face and the mirror. Thirdly, and finally, no one, not one person, even vaguely implied that anyone was **** because they were poor. You concocted that interpretation all by your little lonesome, and to demonise people for your own subjective ideological interpretation of events taking place in this thread instead of attempting to form a rational thought around what's been said here so far says more about you than anyone else here.
I would totally debate this with you, but I actually just heard from someone that political discussion is forbidden. (You should really read the rules m8)
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28283
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Posted - 2015.12.22 12:33:13 -
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Clee Torris.
Funny.
I'll petition it to see what happens.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Shock Treatment Ministries
7046
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Posted - 2015.12.22 12:34:34 -
[51] - Quote
Clee Torriss wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Clee Torriss wrote:Wow, eve-o forums have devolved into a republican hate fest. Lets call people poor and tell them they are **** because of it!!
*Shakes head and walks away* There is so much wrong with this statement I can't even. Well, I can, and I will. Firstly, I'll address calling people poor. In the context it's used here, it's used for two things: as hyperbole to highlight the ridiculous nature of complaining that what essentially equates to 50 cents a day is too expensive, and as a joke for trolling and ridicule. There's nothing hateful about it. Secondly, and putting aside the fact that political discussion or anything that might incite political conflict is banned on these forums (please read the rules), you are conflating republican with hate. Now, I'm a centrist, a little left of center actually (let's avoid giggling at any Jim Carey joke references please), and I can tell you right now that people on the left are just as capable of hate as people on the right, and people on the right are not, by nature of being on the right, hateful. They have a different set of values that might come into conflict with the values of people on the left, but if you think they get those values from a place of hate, I can assure you, so does the left when it demands things like affirmative action and mandatory 'feelings' classes at university. What I do see a lot, however, is the horseshoe effect, where people so far extreme left tend to meet at the same authoritarian place as people who go so far extreme right. These are the same people that are always blaming the other side of the 'divide' for the world's problems when, in actuality, their delusion that there is a divide, rather than a spectrum, is merely created by the gap between your face and the mirror. Thirdly, and finally, no one, not one person, even vaguely implied that anyone was **** because they were poor. You concocted that interpretation all by your little lonesome, and to demonise people for your own subjective ideological interpretation of events taking place in this thread instead of attempting to form a rational thought around what's been said here so far says more about you than anyone else here. I would totally debate this with you, but I actually just heard from someone that political discussion is forbidden. (You should really read the rules m8)
Funny indeed. But there is no debate, I'm afraid. I'm not arguing with you, I'm explaining why you're wrong, and somewhat vexatious. You contributed nothing to the discussion, you just threw a tantrum about people speaking in a way you don't like, and blamed it on their political alignment without knowing anything about anyone here, and what their political values actually are.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations
Get Off My Lawn
376
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Posted - 2015.12.22 12:43:22 -
[52] - Quote
Clee Torriss wrote:Wow, eve-o forums have devolved into a republican hate fest. Lets call people poor and tell them they are **** because of it!!
*Shakes head and walks away*
Interesting take on the subject.
Anyone owning a PC, connected to the internet and playing eve is by definition not poor.
Someone living in the burned out shell of their home in the Sudan, wondering when they are going to eat, wondering if their water is safe to drink, and wondering if the rebels/government is going to come take their wife/daughter(s) away, is poor, and worthy of my sympathy and charitable donations.
Someone in London without a roof over their heads and wondering where their next meal is coming from, is poor and deserving of my charitable donations.
Anyone reading this text is not poor and should not be labelled as such. Get over yourselves and lose the sense of entitlement that makes you post such rubbish.
EVE online is a business venture by CCP to suck up your free time. It's a luxury, not an entitlement or a right. They will charge what they think is required to keep their business afloat, and you get to vote with your wallet. Don't like it, don't pay.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28283
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Posted - 2015.12.22 12:51:22 -
[53] - Quote
Mithandra wrote:Clee Torriss wrote:Wow, eve-o forums have devolved into a republican hate fest. Lets call people poor and tell them they are **** because of it!!
*Shakes head and walks away* Interesting take on the subject. Anyone owning a PC, connected to the internet and playing eve is by definition not poor. Someone living in the burned out shell of their home in the Sudan, wondering when they are going to eat, wondering if their water is safe to drink, and wondering if the rebels/government is going to come take their wife/daughter(s) away, is poor, and worthy of my sympathy and charitable donations. Someone in London without a roof over their heads and wondering where their next meal is coming from, is poor and deserving of my charitable donations. Anyone reading this text is not poor and should not be labelled as such. Get over yourselves and lose the sense of entitlement that makes you post such rubbish. EVE online is a business venture by CCP to suck up your free time. It's a luxury, not an entitlement or a right. They will charge what they think is required to keep their business afloat, and you get to vote with your wallet. Don't like it, don't pay.
Check her name.
She's not legit.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
83
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Posted - 2015.12.22 13:34:15 -
[54] - Quote
I have locked this thread for cleaning.
ISD Max Trix
Ensign
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28285
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Posted - 2015.12.22 14:00:04 -
[55] - Quote
Sorry, but will you refer it to GMs now ...
... or should we file a petition?
Because if you did it already, I won't put another into the queue...
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
2006
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Posted - 2015.12.22 14:01:25 -
[56] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:It wouldn't affect your spaceships game if CCP implemented more outfits for the NEX store, and more desirable paint skins for ships; it's fluff, who cares? Well, I haven't been around much the last few years, so my history may be a little inaccurate, but as far as I know it goes like this: CCP has a system for players to paint their ships in development. CCP throw this system out in favour of nickel-and-diming the playerbase for CCP-created paint jobs.
Killing off a feature people were hoping for for years sure did affect my spaceship game.
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Voxinian
97
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Posted - 2015.12.22 14:14:49 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor. The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, as EVE players like to say, adapt or die.
I agree (partially). If the month sub would be 9,95 then I would play more months out of a year. Now I only subbed again, because the account page had a discount offer. I might play next month as well, but after that I will be spending my money again on other games. Games are constantly on sale nowadays , so I rather buy a couple of discounted AAA titles then a 1 month EVE sub. Not that I do not wish to play EVE, but I do not wish to spend so much time in EVE (every month) to make me feel the sub price is justified. The longer subscription plans are overall cheaper of course, but sort of makes it mandatory for me to play EVE the whole year cos I payed for it, while I also want to spend time on other things. So if the 1 month sub price would be lower then I will probably buy a sub 4 or 5 month in a year.
F2P however will totally ruin EVE as we know it, so I highly disagree with that. |
Voxinian
97
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Posted - 2015.12.22 14:20:50 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). They're botching the microtransactions on the NEX and the SKINs pretty badly. There's no convenience (for previewing full outfits for example, do the pants go with the jacket?); there are only "rare" expensive "designer" outfits and no cheap bulk outfits for the common folk, and the rate at which they're updating the inventory feels like an afterthought. Also, "dark and gritty colors" is the same vision as "this is a PVP game"; unfortunately the majority of the player base insists on PVE'ing in high-sec, completely ignoring CCP.
Clothes are completely BS as you are always in your pod. The clothes were meant for the captains quarters and walking around in a station where your avatar would be visible to others... and that project died. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28289
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Posted - 2015.12.22 14:22:24 -
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Actually, clothes aren't bullshit at all ...
... you just don't know better and believe you know there is all there is to know about it.
That reads weird.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1333
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Posted - 2015.12.22 15:24:01 -
[60] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor. The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. Tell that to the more than ten years that EVE has sustained it.
Times have changed in those 10 years. There are no new games in this day and age that use a subscription model anymore. They are either free to play + microtransactions, or pay once + microtransactions. EVE's model worked for 10 years because it was the standard for MMOs at the time. That standard has now shifted, and as a result modern day consumers are less accepting of paying a monthly subscription to play a game. That's why I said it's unsustainable.
This article explains it pretty well.
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Posted - 2015.12.22 15:43:37 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor. The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. Tell that to the more than ten years that EVE has sustained it. Times have changed in those 10 years. There are no new games in this day and age that use a subscription model anymore. They are either free to play + microtransactions, or pay once + microtransactions. EVE's model worked for 10 years because it was the standard for MMOs at the time. That standard has now shifted, and as a result modern day consumers are less accepting of paying a monthly subscription to play a game. That's why I said it's unsustainable. This article explains it pretty well.
You keep ignoring the people who refuese to pay subs in favour of free2play crap.
You keep ignoring their lack of intellect and quality.
A sub is there to keep out the worst filfth. Confirmation can be found by looking at all those
games who are f2p ... just check the forums. ArcheAge has been a great example, probably still is.
Furthermore do you ignore what the f2p model is actually about.
It's about milking people from their money. It's about neuroscience and marketing.
It's about taking advantage of intellectually challenged, self entitled people with self esteem issues.
That's what you get as f2p, because that's what these games aim for.
Idiots who need to escapemfrom reality, willing to throw away thousands of dollars for self worth.
When EVE goes f2p, the forums will be filled with tears of psychopaths demanding justice ...
... because their egos AND wallets got blown into pieces.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
220
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Posted - 2015.12.23 03:36:28 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:I'd be willing to pay $30 a month if it meant the life of the game. Hell. I spend three times that on a Friday night in a bar.
We're talking chump change here
i agree to this. +1
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