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Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:23:00 - [301] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Tholarim, Duke, Chowdown, Foyle, Skull HsC, Lord Draco, & Xirt were equal players when it came to leading the alliance. They all deserve equal credit for the successes of CA. And therein lies the crux of the issue. Pretty much any and all animosity shown towards anyone in a position of power, in this case XirtamVOTF, is due to them taking more credit than they deserve for the "effeciency" or "effectiveness" of a group. Anyone who knows anything about politics in eve, from shiva onwards, knows that it takes a TEAM to run an alliance, no matter how small. Xirt has tried to claim he was the big "poo bah" since time immemorial, that all success should be heralded upon him and failure upon... anyone else. That is the man you're following, yes he's good at leading - but an entire alliance, all on his own? Get real. And why do you try to rekindle a flame war..you where not part of it...your observations dont matter...and are certainly not apreciated, by those left from the original crew..You may have a point in there somewhere...but at least its His and the NCA to prove your wrong..why not let them I once had a sig...it deleted
HC MasiEEE Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:24:00 - [302] Originally by: w0rmy Bla bla bla Can you do this for me and the rest ? ________________________ HC MasiEEE - DICE
Redon Minmatar Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:27:00 - [303] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Originally by: Omega Bloodstone Thank you Chris. Your description about what Xirt did for old CA is head on. No, I was not in old CA, but I have been with Xirt for the last two years and have bared witness to the same unselfish leadership advised above in IMP and is already heading that direction in new CA. Countless times I have seen Xirt make exstensive efforts for the betterment of his own alliance. To be blatently honest XirtamVotf bust his ass day in and day out for his players putting in 14 to 16 hour days weather it be PvP all day or bull crap mining all day to improve the Alliance's/Corp wallets in his alliance. There is no mistake in the truth of this. Eye witness here... Xirt did a lot, not the most, though. Gunship (a Euro) managed the CA Insurance fund, and Foyle spent countless hours every day doing admin work. In fact, she was the executor of the alliance. When Duke left the game, Tholarim filled his shoes quite well. Tholarim, Duke, Chowdown, Foyle, Skull HsC, Lord Draco, & Xirt were equal players when it came to leading the alliance. They all deserve equal credit for the successes of CA. xirt did do most of the work, you try answering convos every 2mins and mail up the arse. Gunship might of managed the insurance fund, but there where 2 other funds for that also from different FC's. FOyle spent all her time stealing from the alliance and sitting in a station all day every day. chowdown lol, spent all his time running away from fleet battles, like the famous warping his fleet out froma evol or bob engagment at the vol gate in hwl.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:35:00 - [304] Xirt did a lot, no doubt about it even for me who wasn't in on the details for anywhere nearly all the time i spent in CA. Indeed, if any grunt wanted something done, Xirt was the man to try and get the attention of. However, and this is the big thing that shapes my recollection of him. Xirt was also the man to shout amongst the loudest when it came to enemy X and Y using exploit this or that, or when it came to the famous and constant "intell" about invasion such and such. For the constant mining ops and indeed for the disorganised (if at times fun) way of leading fleets. It had its charms, sure, but it's not comparable to what I've seen others do in later days. And tbh, he's got too much of the aneu in him for my taste even now. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Redon Minmatar Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:38:00 - [305] Originally by: Christopher Scott Edited by: Christopher Scott on 18/01/2007 21:00:57 In fact Shinra, I want to hear your stories. You think you did more for CA than anyone else? There were never more than a handful of Shinra left by USA primetime. Want me to go there? Just ask Jaabaa. He ran the killboards, he knows when you guys were active. 80% of what went on in CA was during our USA-dominated timezone. Shinra was never dominant in that timezone. So how did you do the most for this alliance? You had a key number of great PvPers that represented Shinra during the USA times. Of course, I will give you that. But to have no grounds to claim anything more than that. How many mining ops did Shinra put together in the evenings? How many NPC-hunting ops? How many gatecamps did you help break-up in the evenings so that the majority of CA could bring their minerals in and out? How many hours did you spend MAKING and copying thousands of instajumps and distributing them around CA? How many hours did you spend collecting loot and running the battleship fund? How many auctions did you host? How much did you even contribute to the battleship fund? Did you even participate half the time? How many times did Shinra travel 20+ jumps to JLO-EZ or 0-W778 to clear out hostiles and untrap people from their stations? How many times did you run to E02-IK each day to attack and suppres Celestial Apoc? How many times did you bother occupying FAT-6 or DSS-EZ and keeping Stain docked? How many times did you run your fleet to the ass-end of CA space to hunt for Xetic or Xanadu? How many times did you bother recapturing the stations in JLO or 0-W, besides to mine? Did you bother boosting their shields afterwards so that they remained secure? How many stations did you help retake in Xetc? How many hours did you help stare at a gate to keep them locked in their region? How many times did you travel 50+ jumps to wage war on FA, or NORAD? Or Paragon Soul? How many times did you run 50+ jumps deep into CFS space to rile them up and force them to break off from FA? How many major campaigns did you even show up for? Are you telling me that Shinra handled all of this stuff? Because I never saw the majority of Shinra there. Then again, you claim you did everything just because you topped the killboards. I'm sure that if VOTF did nothing but gatecamp all day long, we would top the killboards, too. But then again, Curse alliance existed before there were even killmails, much less killboards. Killboards mean NOTHING to running an alliance. If you actually did as much as you claimed for CA, then PROOF OR STFU. edit: added some q's not sure how shinra can claim they lead killboards cause i was leading 3 differnet categories for a long time till i took a month break from eve. even after returning they where barely ahead of me. that month we took off cause we were all burned out gave shinra a chance to show what they where capable of and if anything alliance got extremely weak during that time.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:40:00 - [306] Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: w0rmy Bla bla bla Can you do this for me and the rest ? Flap my hand round like a retard? Whatever floats yours and sailor boys boat. Originally by: Dirtball Originally by: Bellon Originally by: Christopher Scott Ok, HISTORY LESSON. Ok, firstly... Who are you? he's batman
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:48:00 - [307] "Is this why no one likes you sailor boy?" i think it's "i know you are but what am i?"... :s seriously though, thought Dian had a point there asking if it's very realistic to expect single person to run large alliance pretty much on their own... if Xirtam can pull it off then more power to him, but hardly need for the 2nd grader retorts :\|
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:49:00 - [308] Originally by: Rascyr Edited by: Rascyr on 18/01/2007 12:00:28 Originally by: Redbad Many people that are confronted with a circumstance that is beyond their control are frequently felt threatened. They will squeel and try to shout incoherent things without thinking about it and let their boasting side prevail over their common sense, and that just to break a psycic tendency not to be paralyzed. Look at the the opening post. It explains a lot. It has a well known name. It has members, it has allies, it has enemies that apparently feel threatened (look at the reactions). It has principles and it has a plan. It has time to build because it has nothing to loose. It even has a bit of an attitude like every big alliance in this game that might get them somewhere. This post gives me evidence that it is very well thought out by Xirtam. No-one on this forum can do a thing about it except ingame. Xirtam even mentions that in the end of his Post ... "Guess ILL close with see ya all in space". Think about it. This move by Xirtam and his alliance members make what this game is about! Involvement! Drama! Emotions! Entertainment! Well done Xirtam, you are entertaining me yet again and I'm curious to what you and your alliance members are going to bring to New Eden. Good luck and much respect. Redbad, Director of Be Inspired Inc. This about says it all for me, Someone is scared .... The rest is just a matter of blablabla, he did this and he did that. (fingerpointing) GL. Yeah, its strange that people tend not to read the original post and reply to that. Not recognizing the players in this game that make things more fun, but only try to bring them down out of fear, jealousy or whatever stupid motivation they can think of is rather childish in my eyes. But hey, I guess whiners are people too.
HC MasiEEE Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:50:00 - [309] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: w0rmy Bla bla bla Can you do this for me and the rest ? Flap my hand round like a retard? Whatever floats yours and sailor boys boat. already guessed the instructions where too difficult ________________________ HC MasiEEE - DICE
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:52:00 - [310] Edited by: w0rmy on 18/01/2007 22:48:31 Originally by: HC MasiEEE already guessed the instructions where too difficult "hardly need for the 2nd grader retorts :\|" Originally by: Dirtball Originally by: Bellon Originally by: Christopher Scott Ok, HISTORY LESSON. Ok, firstly... Who are you? he's batman

w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:55:00 - [311] Originally by: j0sephine seriously though, thought Dian had a point there asking if it's very realistic to expect single person to run large alliance pretty much on their own... if Xirtam can pull it off then more power to him, but hardly need for the 2nd grader retorts :\| Im just wondering where anyone said Xirts doing this alone? Perhaps he is, perhaps he isnt... But presuming hes doing this alone... Just makes you look sillier than I act. Originally by: Dirtball Originally by: Bellon Originally by: Christopher Scott Ok, HISTORY LESSON. Ok, firstly... Who are you? he's batman
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:01:00 - [312] Edited by: Lord Draco on 18/01/2007 22:58:49 Originally by: Prydeless Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Originally by: Omega Bloodstone Thank you Chris. Your description about what Xirt did for old CA is head on. No, I was not in old CA, but I have been with Xirt for the last two years and have bared witness to the same unselfish leadership advised above in IMP and is already heading that direction in new CA. Countless times I have seen Xirt make exstensive efforts for the betterment of his own alliance. To be blatently honest XirtamVotf bust his ass day in and day out for his players putting in 14 to 16 hour days weather it be PvP all day or bull crap mining all day to improve the Alliance's/Corp wallets in his alliance. There is no mistake in the truth of this. Eye witness here... Xirt did a lot, not the most, though. Gunship (a Euro) managed the CA Insurance fund, and Foyle spent countless hours every day doing admin work. In fact, she was the executor of the alliance. When Duke left the game, Tholarim filled his shoes quite well. Tholarim, Duke, Chowdown, Foyle, Skull HsC, Lord Draco, & Xirt were equal players when it came to leading the alliance. They all deserve equal credit for the successes of CA. Foyle was the executor when alliances where able to be made as a formal thing, such as a corporation. You make it sound like she created it, not so, cant remember why she was picked, perhaps something to do with skills required. It was there long before her and she didnt do nearly as much as anyone. She deserves no credit other than being mountain yetti. It's funny how you know absolutly nothing. The reason you don't like Foyle is because you bought into Xirtams lies. Who made Foyle be the CA executaor (IE created official alliance)? It was XIRTAM. I had the skills and offered to do it, but he knew he couldnt control me or Shinra. He thought (wrongly like usual) that he could control Foyle as they were best buds then. It is is equally funny how Xirtam started his propaganda crusade against Foyle once she moved out of his control. What else is humerous is look who was in 5 and such (which was CA evolved). It was all the best corps from CA who are still friends (even if we shoot each other) that made that alliance up. Shockingly I didnt see Votf get an invite to it. It's because all the oldschool leaders of CA know Xirtam is full of crap and leads around what can only be described as a rabble. Oh and Redon, you need to put the bong down and rebuild your memory. Sinister came with RUS and the assorted russian corps. We all had one thing in common a strong dislike of MASS and SA in general. Please don;t pretend your little corps could touch Sinister or RUS. Add: Dian is 100% right btw. You need a team to run an alliance. Sadly Xirtam's little ego couldnt take being told anything by a woman. I wonder why he hates women so much.
Chaomos Skynard The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:05:00 - [313] well good luck in curse. As always is a restless area and many new faces including TCF and key corps like the Priory. What are your standings in there at mo? All neutral or can we expect things to get heated? Curious as a local boy who has not been very active in game over last couple of weeks due to rl stuff.
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:06:00 - [314] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: j0sephine seriously though, thought Dian had a point there asking if it's very realistic to expect single person to run large alliance pretty much on their own... if Xirtam can pull it off then more power to him, but hardly need for the 2nd grader retorts :\| Im just wondering where anyone said Xirts doing this alone? Perhaps he is, perhaps he isnt... But presuming hes doing this alone... Just makes you look sillier than I act. One can only hope he is going it alone.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:09:00 - [315] Dancing on the grave of once great alliance makes me sad. Let it rest
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:26:00 - [316] Edited by: j0sephine on 18/01/2007 23:23:46 "Im just wondering where anyone said Xirts doing this alone? Perhaps he is, perhaps he isnt... But presuming hes doing this alone... Just makes you look sillier than I act." Dunno, it's pretty much just the impression people are creating in this thread by downplaying role of everyone else involved in the former CA: "Xirtam was the leader of the alliance. When things needed to get done people asked xirt, when major decisions where to be made people asked xirt. Almost everything that went on in that alliance went through xirt someway or another" "xirt did do most of the work, you try answering convos every 2mins and mail up the arse. Gunship might of managed the insurance fund, but there where 2 other funds for that also from different FC's. FOyle spent all her time stealing from the alliance and sitting in a station all day every day. chowdown lol, spent all his time running away from fleet battles, like the famous warping his fleet out froma evol or bob engagment at the vol gate in hwl." and the earlier comments along these lines ... i mean, when you see this sort of attitude towards the old CA then it makes one wonder who in their right mind would want to be part of leadership of new version of such alliance, with the knowledge their contribution could ultimately receive the same treatment... which is precisely the point Dian raised, i believe o.O Of course if there's actually more people involved and at the helm then it's another story altogether. But since so far the only real spokeperson was Xirt, and the commentary from CA folks goes along the lines "Xirt has the right to remake CA because he's only old founder left" ... i just don't find it really entirely silly to take it at face value and ask "ok, cool Xirt is remaking CA but can he handle it?" ^^;;
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:27:00 - [317] Edited by: w0rmy on 18/01/2007 23:25:28 Originally by: Lord Draco Add: Dian is 100% right btw. You need a team to run an alliance. Sadly Xirtam's little ego couldnt take being told anything by a woman. I wonder why he hates women so much. Because the majority of BoB pilots are women? Originally by: j0sephine "ok, cool Xirt is remaking CA but can he handle it?" ^^;; Time will tell, but either way, we're going to have some fun finding out. Originally by: Dirtball Originally by: Bellon Originally by: Christopher Scott Ok, HISTORY LESSON. Ok, firstly... Who are you? he's batman
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:28:00 - [318] valid queation Josephine...time will tell....allthough big scale warfare and running an alliance has change much since the day of CA. I once had a sig...it deleted
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:16:00 - [319] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 19/01/2007 00:13:24 Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich allthough big scale warfare and running an alliance has change much since the day of CA. And there we have it. This is why I asked what the new CA's was going to do. It seems they've set everyone blue, and intent to live in npc regions. That's not going to work. They're either fooling themselves or trying to fool us. I'm going to assume it's the latter and that the new CA will soon be seen trying to take someone's outpost. You simply don't bungle about doing a bit of this and that in npc regions anymore. You'll have to build an industry to compete now, and that you won't be doing in no npc region. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:20:00 - [320] Originally by: Rod Blaine And there we have it. This is why I asked what the new CA's was going to do. It seems they've set everyone blue, and intent to live in npc regions. Im confused? At what point do you think you have a right to know anything about whats going on? Here it is for you. CA are going to mine veld in empire. Once we have completed this, sold it on e-bay and purchased a majority sharehold in CCP, we will be closing the server and declaring victory. I hope this is enough information in regards to what CA is going to do. Originally by: Dirtball Originally by: Bellon Originally by: Christopher Scott Ok, HISTORY LESSON. Ok, firstly... Who are you? he's batman

Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:31:00 - [321] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Rod Blaine And there we have it. This is why I asked what the new CA's was going to do. It seems they've set everyone blue, and intent to live in npc regions. Im confused? At what point do you think you have a right to know anything about whats going on? Here it is for you. CA are going to mine veld in empire. Once we have completed this, sold it on e-bay and purchased a majority sharehold in CCP, we will be closing the server and declaring victory. I hope this is enough information in regards to what CA is going to do. Sorry dear inflammable person, but you're a bit late. I asked earlier in this thread, and got answered by your betters. The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash you head in probably, but won't. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:31:00 - [322] Guys, you got to consider how all this history looks to the rest of us. There are two sides saying different things. Everyone perceives things differently, and no one can know the full story as it's been filtered through tons of people who tell it as if it was gospel. You can only tell the story of how YOU experienced it, but that doesn't always mean (just cos you were there) that things happened like that. That's life folks. Don't think about what happened in the past too much, eh, youÆll live longer.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:33:00 - [323] Originally by: Rod Blaine The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash you head in probably, but won't. Again, in english please. Originally by: Rod Blaine The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash you head in probably, but won't.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:41:00 - [324] The number of people arguing about nonsense in this thread is astounding even for these forums. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:43:00 - [325] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Rod Blaine The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash you head in probably, but won't. Again, in english please. He means you're making CA look worse with every word of complete nonsence you vomit onto this forum. You make a Official Public Statement and then flame anyone that doesn't say 'Oh no, the face of Eve will never been the same again'. People try and have a discussion with you, you flame. People try to ask questions, you flame. People call you up on it, you flame. Your display of infantile behaviour makes a BoB Sunday special 27 page flame-a-thron look like polite discussion over afternoon tea. STFU. Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:55:00 - [326] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Rod Blaine The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash you head in probably, but won't. Again, in english please. You certainly are Xirtam material, there is no denying that.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:55:00 - [327] Edited by: w0rmy on 19/01/2007 00:52:38 Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr You make a Official Public Statement and then flame anyone that doesn't say 'Oh no, the face of Eve will never been the same again'. People try and have a discussion with you, you flame. People try to ask questions, you flame. People call you up on it, you flame. Again, I am not Xirtam. I understand that both of our names contain a M and a R but surely you can see the other subtle differences, for example the severe lack of X's in mine. I made no Official Public Statement but can if it would make you feel better? If you dont like what I say, dont read it, ignore it, be the grown up, mature, well endowed person you believe yourself to be. Originally by: Lord Draco You certainly are Xirtam material, there is no denying that. What do you expect, I am after all merely Xirtams alt Originally by: Rod Blaine The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash you head in probably, but won't.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:03:00 - [328] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr makes a BoB Sunday special 27 page flame-a-thron look like polite discussion over afternoon tea. Sorry, but that made me chuckle. As to the rest of the thread .. well .. whatever. CA died. Good. Xirt founded Imperium, but had to use pirates to secure his new space for him before he arrived (I know, I was there). BoB kicked IMP back to Empire (Hang on, I was there too... hmmm) .. although oddly enough it wasn't VOTF doing the fighting. Xirt hangs around in Aridia so he can claim to be unafraid, or something - whatever. Now we have Xirt, mighty leader of the New Curse Alliance (which part of Curse is that in again?) .. anyway .. Basically, I would probably be moderately concerned if the NCA was being lead by some generic space monkey fresh out of the academy, but with Xirt in charge I have no such worries. Don't get me wrong, I actually kinda like Xirt in a way. He'll fight, and he'll keep comming, time after time, ship after ship. Unfortunately that isn't the sole requirement for running an alliance, and anyway, if he was a bit better at it he probably wouldn't have to keep comming back, capiche? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:05:00 - [329] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Rod Blaine The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash you head in probably, but won't. Again, in english please. The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash your head in probably, but won't. sorry, this help ? Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
BustyBounty Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:08:00 - [330] i think you mean The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash your head in but probably wont or The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash your head in properly, but won't. ------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance I belong to.



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