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Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
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Posted - 2015.12.21 22:25:48 -
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Hi guys,
In the past year I've given some of my irl friends and internet 'guildies' who've shown interest in EVE a trial via recruitment. The common thing I hear is that they always wanted to try out EVE because it seems like such an awesome in-depth game etc.
So in their trial period I've always explained alot, shown them things, took them out to get brutally murdered by gatecamps, the works. After the trial though they are put off by the monthly sub because most of them play other MMO's for which they pay monthly, but their interest in EVE doesn't really diminish.
When I tell them you can work towards a PLEX, monthly, I see hope in their eyes  Well-known youtubers and streamers say the same thing: PLEX for first month is doable.Thing is, only one now-corpmate of mine got close to earning 100mil by himself for his first PLEX at the end of his trial, before I actually just gave him a PLEX for his first month after trial.
So how does a trial character, with limitations to his/her skill-learning and playtime, realistically go about getting his or her first PLEX in such a short time span?
Thanks in advance for your reply, I'd like to take my buddies into the game that I love! #thefeels
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1898
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Posted - 2015.12.21 22:41:57 -
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"hey, go try this awesome game, it's a sandbox and you can do amazingly funky things that you just can't do in any other MMO's you've ever played. All these opportunities, you can go wild! So here's an idea: Go grind like it's a ******* cubicle job for a couple of weeks and get bored to hell with it so you can save yourself the cost of a McD's lunch".
Do you actually LIKE your friends? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1374
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Posted - 2015.12.21 23:00:26 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:
Do you actually LIKE your friends?
Seriously. Even for high skill, min/maxxed farmers, plexing to play is still basically a ****** deal compared to a McJob, let alone an actual grown-ass adult gig.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1941
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Posted - 2015.12.21 23:01:19 -
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OP, to your question ... with hours and hours of stupid grind and luck.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
329
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Posted - 2015.12.21 23:48:28 -
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Personally, it isn't the cost of the sub per se that sometimes bothered me, but rather its cost compared to the cost of other games on the market. For instance, I can buy an entire AAA-class game or several less fancy games for the cost of a munthly sub of both my accounts. The abundance of F2P games nowadays doesn't help the subscription-based model, either.
However, I still like the P2P model the most, since it is honest towards the customer, at least. You pay and always get the game's full content, unlike today's mousetraps where you have to buy DLCs which cost more than the original game. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
42123
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Posted - 2015.12.22 00:02:22 -
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Opinionated response:
Earning a PLEX as a new player is almost the opposite of getting hooked on the game. Without a large network (eg. Alliance/Coalition) around to provide the opportunities, the way to earn a PLEX is to do the most grinding, boring activities within the game (eg. station trading for hours while also learning the market as a new player, grinding for hours and hours in missions or mining or salvaging, etc.).
I can totally understand people making decisions about their spending that don't result in them spending more on gaming.
In that case, my view would be to really get them into the addictive aspects of Eve to the point where they decide to subscribe, even if that results in them dropping other subscriptions.
Grinding for a PLEX won't get them hooked.
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Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2015.12.22 00:59:59 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
Do you actually LIKE your friends?
Seriously. Even for high skill, min/maxxed farmers, plexing to play is still basically a ****** deal compared to a McJob, let alone an actual grown-ass adult gig.
On the other hand, most peoples' jobs don't consist of watching breaking bad (again) while drinking beer and glancing at their computer occasionally while the isk comes in. |
Luke Skywalking
SRS-BSNS
7
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Posted - 2015.12.22 01:32:00 -
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I'm a new player myself.. 3 weeks in and I'm hitting 1 billion "soon".. it's always soon...
I gave myself the target to earn myself a plex by the end of the month... but 2 weeks in I bought subscription cause I love this game too much... and I found myself enjoying the content and stuff I do with friends online.. I didn't really care too much about the isk amount.. I wanted to get better.. I wanted to do new stuff.. the isk came in steadily when I found myself doing the right things... doing it faster..
Luck is no doubt a factor too.. I got pretty lucky a few times. Then I realise the most intriguing, addictive part of this game is you don't know what you'll find after a kill.
Thus... it's good to let your friends know they can play the game well and it pays for itself...but let them enjoy their newbie journey. Don't feed them too much.. be it info or isk. Finding out stuff is actually fun in this game.
May the force be with them. |
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
546
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Posted - 2015.12.22 03:42:36 -
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Trying to plex your account right when it's most difficult and requires the most grinding? You're setting them up for failure unless they scam or market trade pretty much. |
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
87
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Posted - 2015.12.22 04:35:18 -
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They could but 10 100mil items for 0.01... that would get them pretty much there
It probably doesn't help that you are getting them killed in gate-camps - 'the works' - as that sort of thing is distracting |
Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
10
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Posted - 2015.12.22 09:12:01 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Trying to plex your account right when it's most difficult and requires the most grinding? You're setting them up for failure unless they scam or market trade pretty much.
That's why I'm asking
Paul Pohl wrote:They could but 10 100mil items for 0.01... that would get them pretty much there
It probably doesn't help that you are getting them killed in gate-camps - 'the works' - as that sort of thing is distracting
ikr, when they finally made 100 mil and I say "buy yourself a battlecruiser for which you have zero skill and money and let's go look for fights!" Classic.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
2166
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Posted - 2015.12.22 09:48:57 -
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im going to write a guide on making a plex in the first week.
Step 1 - log into eve account management page
Step 2 - select buy plex
Step 3 - input paypal details (if paypal is not linked then please refer to "Key Point 1")
Step 4 - Pay for a damn plex
Step 5 - Log into EVE Online
Step 6 - Drag the plex from "Redeemable Items" to the desired character.
Step 7 - Click the character to enter the game
Step 8 - sell that **** on the market for a billion isk!
Step 9 - Buy dem battleships with meta modules and undock that **** right in Jita
Point 1 = https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/CZ/html/TopUp/buyer.html
****Alternative Methods****
Follow "Step 1" and subscribe to EVE Online for a little as $9.99
There fixed eve and your friends hopes can be traded for many funs
Thxbye
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28274
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Posted - 2015.12.22 09:49:16 -
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I do wonder what CCP thinks about all the new players who don't even pay their first subs with money.
How can people say they care about the game ...
... but not about bringing money into CCPs wallet?
Want CCP to go broke?
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
172
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Posted - 2015.12.22 10:47:28 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
I do wonder what CCP thinks about all the new players who don't even pay their first subs with money.
How can people say they care about the game ...
... but not about bringing money into CCPs wallet?
Want CCP to go broke?
Why would they care? It's the same money for them, no matter whether the buyer is space poor or rich. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28274
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Posted - 2015.12.22 10:57:26 -
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lmmortalist wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
I do wonder what CCP thinks about all the new players who don't even pay their first subs with money.
How can people say they care about the game ...
... but not about bringing money into CCPs wallet?
Want CCP to go broke?
Why would they care? It's the same money for them, no matter whether the buyer is space poor or rich.
If every new player started subbing with ISK ...
... then less people pay money for the game.
So when 5000 new players join over time and not a single one ever puts real money into CCPs wallet ...
... you think that won't have negative impact?
There is reason to believe they will pay anything else with real money either.
Do you really believe that those who buy PLEX with money to sell on the market can sustain this forever?
The "those who sub with plex still bring money" crowd forgets, that ...
... it's always better when two pay with real money ...
... compared to only one doing it.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Gliese Casserres
Fistful of Finns
Paisti Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2015.12.22 11:10:06 -
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Who uses plex, when subscription is several units of money cheaper? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13212
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Posted - 2015.12.22 11:24:10 -
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the price for a month in eve for two accounts is the equivalent of :
maby an houre in a pub if your cheap
what you would pay at the door of a nightclub just to be allowed in
a nice bottle of wine
a nice Chinese takaway
a s*** Chinese takaway, a bottle of s*** wine and a lonely cry in the afternoon with network tv
you get the idea.
eve is surprisingly good value for money , tell yer mates to stop being cheap and cough up.
Better the Devil you know.
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Jarsoom Blade
Perkone
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2015.12.22 13:14:01 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Seriously. Even for high skill, min/maxxed farmers, plexing to play is still basically a ****** deal compared to a McJob, let alone an actual grown-ass adult gig.
I told my friends to man up and get another job, at McDonalds. Sadly they won't accept anyone without at least 30 years of experience in the fine art of burger flipping. Shame really, since that Gé¼4,25 an hour for two nights a week could've really helped pay off student loans besides a full-time job.
It's not about having a job or funds to pay for EVE, it's the willingness to pay for EVE, games and in general monthly fees/subs. Since subs are generally frowned upon by a growing minority of gamers, with a vast sea op F2P/B2P options available. Most of them don't know EVE is in fact good value for money as Ralph said: expansions are 'free' for example. You pay a sub for the reason subs were actually implemented in games, to support the expansion of the game. Real expansion packs, not updates (updates, which in my opinion are a service for the customer->the player->you and I, not something you pay for, although other MMO companies state otherwise). PLEX is just a good alternative, a goal to work towards, or something you say to your friends you want to continue play EVE with, gnegnegne.
I pay an annual sub, I've never saved ISK for a PLEX. So I was curious if it was actually doable. Thanks for answering that question guys! Seems you can't really discover the things that, gets you hooked on, and you'd enjoy in, the game if you need to grind for PLEX.
So I'll redirect and rephrase! How did you guys get your friends to continously play EVE? Ignoring the need for a monthly PLEX for now.
Thanks again ;)
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lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
172
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Posted - 2015.12.22 14:52:15 -
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Solecist Project wrote:lmmortalist wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
I do wonder what CCP thinks about all the new players who don't even pay their first subs with money.
How can people say they care about the game ...
... but not about bringing money into CCPs wallet?
Want CCP to go broke?
Why would they care? It's the same money for them, no matter whether the buyer is space poor or rich. If every new player started subbing with ISK ... ... then less people pay money for the game. So when 5000 new players join over time and not a single one ever puts real money into CCPs wallet ... ... you think that won't have negative impact? There is reason to believe they will pay anything else with real money either. Do you really believe that those who buy PLEX with money to sell on the market can sustain this forever? The "those who sub with plex still bring money" crowd forgets, that ... ... it's always better when two pay with real money ... ... compared to only one doing it.
If every new player started subbing with ISK ...
... then less new people pay real-life cash for the game.
So when 5000 new players join over time and not a single one ever puts real-life cash into CCPs wallet ...
... you think other players won't start buying PLEX with real-life cash to be sold in-game?
There is no reason to believe 100% of players wouldn't pay for their subscriptions with real-life currencies.
Do you really believe that those who buy PLEX with isk will be able to massively overthrow the number of the ones selling them for isk?
The "you" crowd forgets, that ...
... it's the price of two subscriptions being paid for (even more) with real money when theres a month of subs + a PLEX being bought ...
... compared to two doing it. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1921
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Posted - 2015.12.22 14:55:39 -
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Aha, this is another "I want EVE to be F2P" hidden agenda thing. Noted.
Still I'll alswer it: You show them options and let them decide for themselves what they're going to do, everyone is different and everyone has different drives, goals and turn offs. If they like it they'll pay for it, if they don't like it then they won't pay for it. If it were F2P they might try it a few times but if they didn't like it when it was sub based they won't like it F2P either, not enough to pay because then they'd pay for a sub too.
So there's no gain to be had for EVE to go F2P because all that'll happen is alts accounts with maxed/fleshed out alts stop paying sub and an onslaught of poorfag low IQ inbred morons who will clog up the intertubes, **** in all corners and never pay a dime. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1942
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Posted - 2015.12.22 15:02:05 -
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What me finally hooked in was the adrenaline rush of solo PvP in a persistent single shard universe where loss matters. Being the hunter, being hunted, the good fights, the outplay, the unique and epic moments of fleet fights, the freedom of the sandbox. The "This is EvE" feeling. If you can successfully convey this to your friends ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28287
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Posted - 2015.12.22 15:11:40 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Aha, this is another "I want EVE to be F2P" hidden agenda thing. Noted.
Still I'll alswer it: You show them options and let them decide for themselves what they're going to do, everyone is different and everyone has different drives, goals and turn offs. If they like it they'll pay for it, if they don't like it then they won't pay for it. If it were F2P they might try it a few times but if they didn't like it when it was sub based they won't like it F2P either, not enough to pay because then they'd pay for a sub too.
So there's no gain to be had for EVE to go F2P because all that'll happen is alts accounts with maxed/fleshed out alts stop paying sub and an onslaught of poorfag low IQ inbred morons who will clog up the intertubes, **** in all corners and never pay a dime.
I love you bigtime. <3
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Jarsoom Blade
State Protectorate
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2015.12.22 15:20:08 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Aha, this is another "I want EVE to be F2P" hidden agenda thing. Noted.
Haha, no hidden F2P agenda here :') I'm a supporter of the subscription model for EVE for sure.
Tipa Riot wrote:What me finally hooked in was the adrenaline rush of solo PvP in a persistent single shard universe where loss matters. Being the hunter, being hunted, the good fights, the outplay, the unique and epic moments of fleet fights, the freedom of the sandbox. The "This is EvE" feeling. If you can successfully convey this to your friends ...
Good tip! Thank you!
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Mutiny Within
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.12.22 17:03:02 -
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Every time I see these threads I think to myself... It's only 15 bucks ( and less if sub more than a month at a time). I don't understand what the big deal is. ITS ONLY 15 BUCKS. Notwithstanding people who live in countries where the average earnings is far less than Euro/NA general areas--this is at worst 2 hours of working a low paying McJob(R). It's 15 bucks for an entire month of entertainment. Let's think about that for a moment. 15 dollars...that's about the cost of a single ****** movie ticket that is over in 2 hours. A single 12 pack of ****** beer. A single bottle of half way decent wine. A dinner at a ****** restaurant (think some ****** place like Chili's). Two meals at terrible fast nasty food (that gives you heartburn and 5 days worth of fat in a single serving). 15 bucks doesn't even scratch the surface of what most people spend in a single week to eat/drink etc (smokes, beer, whatever). This topic has been beat to death, and I'm simply furthering the process, but bottom line is...It's not that much.
TL:DR: 15$ a month isn't much for entertainment for a month. HTFU. |
Lina Sovereign
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
2
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Posted - 2015.12.22 17:41:18 -
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Farming to PLEX is farming to play, I don't understand the goal to always farm to keep farming... |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
1528
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Posted - 2015.12.22 18:02:02 -
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I earned enough to buy my first plex after two months. It was when PLEX was 330M and I was running missions in a raven at the end of that time, raven that I bought from corpmate for a 80 M kernite batch, ravens were worth 80 M that time. My first "serious" money was 40M was first week ninja salvaging others missions. Now after years of playing this money semms funny, but it was a lot for me back then.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
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Top Guac
Mexican Avacado Syndicate
62
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Posted - 2015.12.22 22:01:55 -
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Solecist Project wrote:If every new player started subbing with ISK ...
... then less people pay money for the game.
So when 5000 new players join over time and not a single one ever puts real money into CCPs wallet ...
... you think that won't have negative impact?
For an account to PLEX, someone else has to buy that PLEX with real life cash.
So:
Player 1, subscribed and the owner buys a PLEX to sell for ISK ($ invested = 1 x subscription, 1 x PLEX)
Player 2, new player looking to PLEX. Spends heaps of time in game to earn ISK, buys PLEX for ISK from Player 1
Net CCP income: 1 x subscription, 1 x PLEX
Alternatively, both players subscribe
Net CCP income: 2 x subscription
Quote:Do you really believe that those who buy PLEX with money to sell on the market can sustain this forever?
While there is demand for the PLEX and Player 1 above (and all the other subscribers) have the means to buy PLEX and want to, then it will be sustained and PLEX will continue to rise.
At some point (different for each person), the price of PLEX will exceed the amount of ISK Player 2 (and others in the PLEXing group) can generate and they won't be able to afford their PLEX.
They then have to make a decision to either subscribe, or not play.
Quote:The "those who sub with plex still bring money" crowd forgets, that ...
... it's always better when two pay with real money ...
... compared to only one doing it.
The only difference is in terms of where the transaction appear in CCP's balance sheet.
People who PLEX their account are just as much invested in Eve and those who pay by subscription. Both pay, just by different means. |
Tristan Agion
Viziam
Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2015.12.22 22:41:36 -
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I have a one year subscription, and I admit to having bought both PLEX and AURUM with real money. I have no problem with paying for my gaming.
But let's be clear, the monthly subscription fee for EVE is high. It is pointless to compare this with how much you can earn flipping burgers, or how much clubbing costs.
The appropriate comparison is of course to other computer games. And compared to those, EVE is fairly expensive. I buy my regular games in Steam sales, and rarely pay more than about two months worth of EVE even for top titles.
But even if you compare this to buying AAA titles straight up, with no discount, one year of EVE will cost about the same as buying one or two AAA titles.
So the question is not whether EVE is worth few cups of coffee, or whatever. The question is how it compares with other computer games. Computer games just are a fairly cheap form of entertainment, and that is the market EVE is actually competing in... |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1942
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Posted - 2015.12.22 23:05:20 -
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Tristan Agion wrote:
So the question is not whether EVE is worth few cups of coffee, or whatever. The question is how it compares with other computer games. Computer games just are a fairly cheap form of entertainment, and that is the market EVE is actually competing in...
EvE is still a unique product, you can't compare it with other games. Hence I think a premium is totally justified (if there is any after calculating total costs). 
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
89
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Posted - 2015.12.23 03:26:25 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:They could but 10 100mil items for 0.01... that would get them pretty much there
It probably doesn't help that you are getting them killed in gate-camps - 'the works' - as that sort of thing is distracting
ikr, when they finally made 100 mil and I say "buy yourself a battlecruiser for which you have zero skill and money and let's go look for fights!" Classic.[/quote]
Yes, precisely...
I advise you, to advise them, to study the market and make suitable investments... and you jump to the conclusion that it is somehow about what ship you fly. Classic.
And no doubt the reason that your friends can't earn plex, and don't want to fly with you. Classic
oh and btw, by the end of the trial period, they will easily be in a battlecruiser, and could just as easily be in a battleship... providing they aren't wasting their time, and ISK, getting killed at gatecamps and the 'works'. Classic |
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