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CrestoftheStars Deviance Inc	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:56:00 - [1] 0.0 spaceà we need a kind of law, so I would suggest that a alliance that claim the region with the use of arms gets the ability to set a rent for being in the area, futher more: so when you enter the region it will ask you ôthis is alliance X region, the rent is X isk a day for moving in this areaö. If you accept you will be shown as friendly to the alliance and you can use any stations/ posÆs in this areaà if you refuse you will be an enemy and will be a target for all inside the region. (if in war this is not an option, you will just be shown as war target). When you then have payid/or not payid and attack a paying/alliance ship all ships from alliance get a massage that theyÆre law has been broken and they get a little warp icon with the numbers of ships shooting (or in the gang that shoots) which they can just press warp to 0 and jump in right beside the attack (as concord in high sec) this targeting counter will last 15minuttes (as concord) and you can warp to 0 of them every time (as concord) and of cause you then got the right to kill and pod kill (if pod killing is allowed by your alliance law). So you get some kind of outlaws claiming to have law in a system that they control (the alliance it self do not pay the rent/tax to enter the system) ___________________________________________ come on.. stop thinking about YOU. and start thinking about All of us... how do we get a more fun and enjoyable game for all of us.
Viliny	Posted - 2007.01.17 11:00:00 - [2] Also, i we could get the option to rent an apartment in stations, possibly with a garden where you can plant flowers and stuff. You could then start a family or something, just like in the sims! Now wouldn't that be good? But nerf the ovens, i don't like how they start a fire every 5 minutes.
Commander Sten	Posted - 2007.01.17 12:42:00 - [3] and everyone can have a pink pony.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.17 12:44:00 - [4] Originally by: CrestoftheStars 0.0 spaceà we need a kind of law, so I would suggest that a alliance that claim the region with the use of arms gets the ability to set a rent for being in the area, futher more: so when you enter the region it will ask you ôthis is alliance X region, the rent is X isk a day for moving in this areaö. If you accept you will be shown as friendly to the alliance and you can use any stations/ posÆs in this areaà if you refuse you will be an enemy and will be a target for all inside the region. (if in war this is not an option, you will just be shown as war target). When you then have payid/or not payid and attack a paying/alliance ship all ships from alliance get a massage that theyÆre law has been broken and they get a little warp icon with the numbers of ships shooting (or in the gang that shoots) which they can just press warp to 0 and jump in right beside the attack (as concord in high sec) this targeting counter will last 15minuttes (as concord) and you can warp to 0 of them every time (as concord) and of cause you then got the right to kill and pod kill (if pod killing is allowed by your alliance law). So you get some kind of outlaws claiming to have law in a system that they control (the alliance it self do not pay the rent/tax to enter the system) BoB already has such a system. Contact Dianabolic for details. .... Playing EVE on easy mode since May 2003.
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.17 13:21:00 - [5] Yes where you will become mining slaves! Many alliance "rent" systems in their space for various prices. It's a matter of asking them.. if they say no, you go anyway and give it a shot.. you'll probably be killed.. but hey it's always fun! They say yes then its all good. My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Ice Conch	Posted - 2007.01.17 13:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Originally by: CrestoftheStars 0.0 spaceà we need a kind of law, so I would suggest that a alliance that claim the region with the use of arms gets the ability to set a rent for being in the area, futher more: so when you enter the region it will ask you ôthis is alliance X region, the rent is X isk a day for moving in this areaö. If you accept you will be shown as friendly to the alliance and you can use any stations/ posÆs in this areaà if you refuse you will be an enemy and will be a target for all inside the region. (if in war this is not an option, you will just be shown as war target). When you then have payid/or not payid and attack a paying/alliance ship all ships from alliance get a massage that theyÆre law has been broken and they get a little warp icon with the numbers of ships shooting (or in the gang that shoots) which they can just press warp to 0 and jump in right beside the attack (as concord in high sec) this targeting counter will last 15minuttes (as concord) and you can warp to 0 of them every time (as concord) and of cause you then got the right to kill and pod kill (if pod killing is allowed by your alliance law). So you get some kind of outlaws claiming to have law in a system that they control (the alliance it self do not pay the rent/tax to enter the system) BoB already has such a system. Contact Dianabolic for details. for the low low LOW price of 500m a week, you can access a constellation of bob space! or you go to a crappier alliance's space and dont pay rent
wild Ari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.17 13:40:00 - [7] common practice in almost all alliance territories.
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.17 13:50:00 - [8] If this is a common practive in 0.0 I would go there more but this is not a common practice. When I entery 0.0 not one tells me to pay rent or a fee for my travels for the day, they just attack me. Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact me in game for deatails about the corp. Mostly a PvE corp, with Jump clones avaiale in Empire and 0.0.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:03:00 - [9] If ppl walk on to my land with guns, and go shoot a deer, then ask me if they can hunt there when I confront them, well I'd shoot them too! Building the homestead
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Jet Collins If this is a common practive in 0.0 I would go there more but this is not a common practice. When I entery 0.0 not one tells me to pay rent or a fee for my travels for the day, they just attack me. Well obviously; if you actually wanted to pay a fee or negotiate entry, you'd have convoed the diplomats before invading the space. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
SSgt Sniper Gallente Zekarus Ltd.	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Jet Collins If this is a common practive in 0.0 I would go there more but this is not a common practice. When I entery 0.0 not one tells me to pay rent or a fee for my travels for the day, they just attack me. Well obviously; if you actually wanted to pay a fee or negotiate entry, you'd have convoed the diplomats before invading the space. Not everyone know who is who out there. I'd have to go out sand try to ask someone (while hoping they didn't shoot me) whom to talk with. Then again since I have no doubt they'd tell me who to mail then shoot me anyway, I just don't care that much to do it. --------- Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances. However, I do not represent my corp. We vote first.
Bawldeux IV Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:19:00 - [12] Originally by: SSgt Sniper Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Jet Collins If this is a common practive in 0.0 I would go there more but this is not a common practice. When I entery 0.0 not one tells me to pay rent or a fee for my travels for the day, they just attack me. Well obviously; if you actually wanted to pay a fee or negotiate entry, you'd have convoed the diplomats before invading the space. Not everyone know who is who out there. I'd have to go out sand try to ask someone (while hoping they didn't shoot me) whom to talk with. Then again since I have no doubt they'd tell me who to mail then shoot me anyway, I just don't care that much to do it. ahhh, you know the NBSI rule then... 0.0 space is lawless, just because someone there took 'rent' money from you, won't ensure they won't shoot you anyways. as is, be a BoB slave, be BoB, or live in empire in an NPC corp...or find another game to play.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:20:00 - [13] No it actually is pretty easy. You look at the alliance map, and at ingame sovereignty, then take the alliance name and do a forum search on it, and evemail the first guy you see with that alliance's ticker under his name. He'll then abuse you and send you to the right guy to contact. Yes, of course that's like way too hard to deal with Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Malicia Skirj	Posted - 2007.01.17 22:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Jet Collins If this is a common practive in 0.0 I would go there more but this is not a common practice. When I entery 0.0 not one tells me to pay rent or a fee for my travels for the day, they just attack me. You have to apply for the visa BEFORE you go to the other country. THEN maybe they won't shoot ya.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.01.17 22:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Rod Blaine No it actually is pretty easy. You look at the alliance map, and at ingame sovereignty, then take the alliance name and do a forum search on it, and evemail the first guy you see with that alliance's ticker under his name. He'll then abuse you and send you to the right guy to contact. Yes, of course that's like way too hard to deal with There should be a way to negotiate with Alliances without having to interact with anybody though--after all, solo players pay the same monthly charges as everybody else. Maybe a new chance-based skill based on Charisma! Alliance Connections, a skillbook you can only get by accumulating 1 billion LP from a L4 agent in HighSec while in an NPC corp. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Max Godsnottlingson Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.17 23:16:00 - [16] You know. I'm going to stick my neck out on the line here and openly support BOBs method of running 0.0. I am what is often refered to as a BOB ***, BOB slave, BOB insert your own choice of offensive name. That is my Corp pays BOB a weekly fee to mine and hunt in certain areas of BOB controlled space OK, at the end of the day, BOB does what BOB wants and will always do what is best for BOB. Fact, no getting away from it, it's no whine and no condemnation. You take BOBS terms and conditions or you don't rat and mine. But in return you get a great bit of 0.0 to live in. BOBs rent cost me, myself between 15 and 20 million a week, depending on how many Corpies are in 0.0. I can make that back in a few hours of ratting on kill bounties alone. Also BOB has got all its 'Customer Corps' sorted out and set up too look after themselves. No we never get draughted into BOB run warfleets, we've never had BOB fly in and lockdown a system. We are expected to watch each others backs and deal with small scale local player raiders. In making Customer Corps work together BOB has actually built a close knit community. Where once people would have greeted one an other over the sights of blazing guns, now it's as often a cherry wave and a quick chat. Yes, BOB's way of doing business has probably fettled some of the higher abilitied players and Corps. But BOB has probably done more to open up 0.0 to smaller and newer players and Corps then anything. 0.0 is far from safe. The main problem being anti-BOB Alliances who fancy 'having a go' Yesterday ASCN, today IRON, tomorrow whoever. But at the moment 0.0 is a damned sight better for playing in then even High Sec Empire, what with the gate camping suicide gank squads, Privateer Alliance and countless other high sec, low risk pirates, thieves and whatever who hide behind the mechanics of the game. There's plenty of law in BOB controlled space, and it's simple to enforce with no CONCORD getting in the way 1. You pay your rent to BOB. 2, YOU accept BOBs terms and Conditions. 3. If it ain't blue it's goo, and if you can, you help to kill it. People don't like it, people *** like hell about it and slag BOB off at every turn. And I'll sit in BOB controlled space paying my rent and making lots of isks from killing those evil Bloods and looting the wrecks and draging the salvage out to haul back to high sec to sell, after I've dodged all the gate campers you meet as soon as you hit low sec Empire space. There's lots of law in BOB controlled space, simple, easy to understand and easier to enforce. The sort of Law I like and can live by
Sally Sheep	Posted - 2007.01.17 23:20:00 - [17] Edited by: Sally Sheep on 17/01/2007 23:21:05 Edited by: Sally Sheep on 17/01/2007 23:19:01 It wouldnt work simply because its the players choice if they want to shoot somebody regardless off the colour they show on the overview. The reason alliances kill neutrals is because there is the strong possibility they are a spy and are scouting out the area. If a spy could pay on enrty and show as blue, alliances would just start shooting people who are blue but arnt on the nap/friends list. And anyway the whole point of 0.0 is the fact that it is lawless.
Gary Goat Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.17 23:25:00 - [18] Peskey alts
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 23:43:00 - [19] I dont like the way people say becuase they pay the same charges as everyone else... they should be able to do anything they want.... in what galaxy do you live??!??! ok ok that was harsh, i dont hate mods.. as an apology the mod who shows the most wuv gets a free mercedes...
Ly'sol	Posted - 2007.01.17 23:49:00 - [20] Dont follow suit to being a paying slave to an extortion circuit. They have no way to prove ownership over a territory. ANd there is no way for them to guard it all. Just go in, do what you need to. Click here for Lysol's Linky Library-last updated 30NOV06
Helen STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.17 23:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske There should be a way to negotiate with Alliances without having to interact with anybody though--after all, solo players pay the same monthly charges as everybody else. Maybe a new chance-based skill based on Charisma! Alliance Connections, a skillbook you can only get by accumulating 1 billion LP from a L4 agent in HighSec while in an NPC corp. I like you, your funny.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 00:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Sally Sheep Edited by: Sally Sheep on 17/01/2007 23:21:05 Edited by: Sally Sheep on 17/01/2007 23:19:01 It wouldnt work simply because its the players choice if they want to shoot somebody regardless off the colour they show on the overview. The reason alliances kill neutrals is because there is the strong possibility they are a spy and are scouting out the area. If a spy could pay on enrty and show as blue, alliances would just start shooting people who are blue but arnt on the nap/friends list. And anyway the whole point of 0.0 is the fact that it is lawless. Yes, but if you're in a corp that is living in alliance space, and paying rent to be there, if you shoot another person that the alliance has deemed to be "Blue", then you'd better have a damn good excuse or reason for it, otherwise you, and possibly your corp will not be welcome there anymore. The first warning you get that you're not welcome may possibly be the aliance in question systematically podding anyone in your corp who undocks. Basically, if you want to mine in "safer" 0.0 under the protection (if I may call it that) of an alliance, and you pay for it, you'd better stick to their rules, our you'll just get kicked out. To me, the way it is done (for example by BoB) if fair enough. The alliance gets ISK into its coffers from renting corps every week for systems that they possibly dont use extensively in the first place, as well as the ability to produce items and sell items in stations/outposts in 0.0 that the renting corps have been given access to, for greater profit than they could make in Empire. The corps on the other hand get stuck into the riches of 0.0 systems and make a fat load of ISK, for reasonably little risk, in exchange for what is in reality a small ammount of ISK. Seem to work well on the whole, everyone gets a decent deal....and I don't think anyone is a "slave" to the alliance. Just remember to ask for access before you go. (If you woke up breathing today, CONGRATULATIONS!, you get another chance!)
snerdly	Posted - 2007.01.18 00:36:00 - [23] Sorry to put this ineloquently, but your plan F**king sucks. More CCP rules/mechanics = bad IMO. Alliances are composed entirely of players and should be run entirely by players, not by an answering machine. 0.0 is lawless except where the actions of players can impede other players. And it should STAY that way. Even if i liked what it curtailed... It wouldn't work. At all. See not only could hostiles exploit the automated system to get docking rights at your stations, but the beacon thing wouldn't stop an enemy gang for a second even if they did alert it. Only players in system could respond. And since player ships just randomly warping in would be crushed by the gang's massed firepower (have you EVER been in a fleet battle?) the alliance would still have to form a gang... by which time the hostiles would have moved or the beacon expired. All right, I'm done.
Saul MuHadeep	Posted - 2007.01.18 00:41:00 - [24] Originally by: DarkMatter If ppl walk on to my land with guns, and go shoot a deer, then ask me if they can hunt there when I confront them, well I'd shoot them too! I find this post quite disturbing. If people walked onto my land with guns I'd call the police. If they shot a deer I'd consider them very lucky and probably call the RSPCA. If they asked me if they could hunt there when confronted, I'd say "no". I'm really not sure where shooting them comes into the equation.
Max Godsnottlingson Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.18 10:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Saul MuHadeep Originally by: DarkMatter If ppl walk on to my land with guns, and go shoot a deer, then ask me if they can hunt there when I confront them, well I'd shoot them too! I find this post quite disturbing. If people walked onto my land with guns I'd call the police. If they shot a deer I'd consider them very lucky and probably call the RSPCA. If they asked me if they could hunt there when confronted, I'd say "no". I'm really not sure where shooting them comes into the equation. Don't be Saul. From your post you are a fellow Brit, while I would guess the person who wrote the original thought is American, or maybe Canadian. It's different folks, different cultures. Here in the UK when an elderly man shoots a pair of thieves in his house he gets sent to jail, in the US, he'd have probably gotten a pat on the back and a thankyou for saving taxpayers money because there's no trial and prison sentance to be paid for. And please, before anybody starts shouting at me. That is not intended as a condemantion on any nations laws and cultures, it's just a comparison.
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2007.01.18 10:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Bawldeux IV as is, be a BoB slave, be BoB, or live in empire in an NPC corp...or find another game to play. Lol. I have never been a BoB or a BoB slave and was living in 0.0 for like 1 1/2 years non-stop. And I can count the times, when a BoB gang/fleet showed up for a bit shooty shooty for fun on one hand. Get a clue. ------ Who wants to be Caldari, if he could be 1337 instead ? Minnie 4tw ! ^^
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.18 13:33:00 - [27] Edited by: Jet Collins on 18/01/2007 13:32:35 Thanks for all the reponces to my reponces . OK couple things. Lots of RL associations. Eve is not RL. Also if I go to anouther country there are Laws that will protect me fom getting killed even if I don't have a visa/pasport. Peoples property that do not want me there have no trespasing signs. If someones goes on your porperty to shot deer and you shoot them I would like to see this happen and you not go to jail or get worse. First few post say that what the opening post said is active in aliance regions. Opening poster said that when you enter an aliance region you would get a pop up windo stating you are in a 0.0 region and for you to say you need to pay these fees. Now if this something that was inforced by all aliances this is what I would expcet when I enter a 0.0. First system I enter into there region I would expect to see someone from that alliance. They open a chat windo to me. They state I have entered thier region and for me to stay I have to pay a fee. Ok no problem I would pay as logn as this didn't happen when I ran accross anouther aliance member. How it happens now. I enter 0.0 region and get killed instantly at the frist aliance gate camp I come accross. So where was I asked to pay a fee? "Well obviously; if you actually wanted to pay a fee or negotiate entry, you'd have convoed the diplomats before invading the space." your diplomates are not online all the time. and no easy to locate to convoi you do not have signs say convi so and so before you make this next jump :P Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact me in game for deatails about the corp. Mostly a PvE corp, with Jump clones avaiale in Empire and 0.0.
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.18 13:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Rod Blaine No it actually is pretty easy. You look at the alliance map, and at ingame sovereignty, then take the alliance name and do a forum search on it, and evemail the first guy you see with that alliance's ticker under his name. He'll then abuse you and send you to the right guy to contact. Yes, of course that's like way too hard to deal with Tryied that and they resopnded 2 days later after I had alredy went in and out of the region :P Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact me in game for deatails about the corp. Mostly a PvE corp, with Jump clones avaiale in Empire and 0.0.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.18 14:16:00 - [29] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 18/01/2007 14:12:57 Well, i'm afraid it's still fairly simple. You either disregard whoever claims the space you go into and take your chances. Or you contact them upfront (and that doesn't mean while sitting in jumprange of the gate into the chokepoint, but would probably mean about a week or two before the date you plan to move your corp into 0.0 somewhere to mine high ends or whatever it is you're after), and come to an agreement with one fo the many alliances that rent out space in some form. Some will allow you to claim your own space and have your name on the map if you are a small alliance yourself (d2), most however will have you operate within space that has their name on it, in stations they control. Now, what you do NOT do is log on, think "well darn, i'm so bored with running level 4 missions. Like, maybe i'll take my cnr and go to 0.0 and try out one of them high end complexes or officer spawns", being a member of an npc corp for example. Before proceeding to amble up to the chokepoint in your pve fitted BS expecting to be hailed by the first alliance pilot you meet. To that pilot and his alliance, you are uninteresting by default. they don't need you, and there's a nice list of things that you could do to make you not interesting to them besides being alone. Not knowing that it's smarter to contact first and enter space later is one of those things that defines you as not interesting. So there won't be any alliance pilots contacting you, they'll be shooting you. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Bawldeux IV Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.01.18 17:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Faith Black Originally by: Bawldeux IV as is, be a BoB slave, be BoB, or live in empire in an NPC corp...or find another game to play. Lol. I have never been a BoB or a BoB slave and was living in 0.0 for like 1 1/2 years non-stop. And I can count the times, when a BoB gang/fleet showed up for a bit shooty shooty for fun on one hand. Get a clue. sorry, but you seem to be without a clue because you speak out of ignorence of who I am and were I was until recently (not to mention what spies I had where)...so until you can prove I have no clue about what I said, STFU please. (ignorence is bliss, and you are one of those very happy type aren't you?)

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