5,146 Customs Offices had been destroyed, leaving that many planets open to player control. Of these, 18 were player owned customs offices and the rest Interbus.

Apparently not!



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Now we have a bit better picture of how the PCO deployment is shaping up. So far things look to be playing out as predicted, and few people are bothering to take the time to eliminate PCO's, while many are clearing the IBCO's out and placing their own PCO's instead.

Are the predicted PCO griefers too busy putting up their own PCO's? Do griefers even bother with PI, and if not why aren't the making the tears flow?

What do you think?

As was said above, nobody actually cares.

On a related matter, cool story bro!

POCO

You forgot the distribution. The vast majority went up in nullsec and w-space (about equal numbers between the two) with very very few in lowsec where they would be griefed. Once the highsecers realize there is zero profits to be made from highsec PI any more because the nullbears can depress prices to below tax levels, they might move to lowsec. Where they'll get griefed back to highsec so nullbears can control yet another toy to solidify their RMT empires.

Also so much for Greyscale's "f*ck wormholers" attitude. Right back at ya dude.

You forgot the distribution. The vast majority went up in nullsec and w-space (about equal numbers between the two) with very very few in lowsec where they would be griefed. Once the highsecers realize there is zero profits to be made from highsec PI any more because the nullbears can depress prices to below tax levels, they might move to lowsec. Where they'll get griefed back to highsec so nullbears can control yet another toy to solidify their RMT empires.

Also so much for Greyscale's "f*ck wormholers" attitude. Right back at ya dude.

Considering how much money can be made in high sec with zero risk I'm fine with this scenario.

Placing small fleets in wormholes with static exits to nullsec - you can pore out the fresh static in someones backyard, raise hell and melt away.

(nullbear RMTer politics)

What's the implication?


How hard is it to take down a POCO?

Also, are POCOs still open to the public? Can they be closed? If there's a difference, what happens as a result?

My entire corp has been specialized in that for the last 2 years and guess what, C5s have more nullsec holes incoming and outgoing non static, then all the static null sec wspace systems combined :P

But shooting POCOs is pointless and stupid, it requires a dread to shoot them in any meaningful amount of time and that's just a waste of a wormhole to support one. Far more fun just going to roam.



Funny fact, xxDeathxx declared war on SOLAR (i..e russians are shooting each other) because someone ddosed their billing system. Now think of a reason why an EVE alliance needs a billing system bwahaha

What do you think?

EVE Online is a free for all PvP universe. The PvE is there to create ships and components for PvP.

If you spend time in Null, low sec or Highsec building an "Empire" for any other reason than to bait people in to engaging you, creating PvP for your alliance, you did it wrong.

Short, it's all bait.

Skill and cunning often wins battles.

ISK and planning often wins wars.

Industry can serve as more than just bait. It also provides the power, ISK, and materials that an alliance needs to obtain it's military objectives. Any member of your alliance leadership will confirm this.

Subcomponents of PvP.
How many Alliance leaders established a plan to confront the Serpentis threat against Gallente space?

There is no skill and cunning. Timing perhaps is a critical component. Intell is for sure but when it comes down to the mathematics of EVE warfare it's spreadsheets in space.

While most Industrial components of EVE are actually won or lost based on a players ability to evade PvP, it's still PvP dominated both in purpose and tactic.

I'm glad we agree that in most cases industry is far more than "short, it's all bait".

It is an extremely important component in fueling any meaningful large scale PVP. Whether it be moo goo providing funds for Super Caps, or PI products providing basic income to keep the grunts supplied with their daily needs and keep them happy, or anything in between.

I think we both know that most of the ships and ammunition used in alliance scale PVP comes not from the self important High Sec only industrialist players, but rather from Null sec alliance industry alts (whether based in Null or Empire). So don't mistake my statements to mean that I believe PVP would not exist without High Sec care bear industrial pursuits. Far from it.

I'm simply saying (in this little sub discussion of ours) that a strong method of generating income (whatever it's source) is essential for any successful group that wishes to play with the big boys. It needs to be defended and developed far more often than it needs to be thrown out there as bait.

Edit: As a side note to your comment about "there is no skill or cunning" in EVE PVP... there are a lot of people in EVE who feel exactly as you do. You will find them listed together for convenience sake In the "Victim" category of any kill board.

And yet 778 spots were cleared for them in low sec. A minority yes, but considering the difficulties involved fairly understandable.
Only 18 PCO's killed total in all area's of space. No matter how you cut it, that's not a lot of dead PCO's.
It's pretty obvious that Null Sec and WH space has the advantage, especially on the higher tier PI products. This tends to make sense as transporting the more complex PI goods from Null has always been much more efficient than moving basic materials.
On the other hand I'm not really seeing High sec production being made a losing proposition yet anywhere.
Somehow I don't see the widespread success of PI in WH to be putting one over on Greyscale, but your point of view is an interesting twist.

Funny fact, xxDeathxx declared war on SOLAR (i..e russians are shooting each other) because someone ddosed their billing system. Now think of a reason why an EVE alliance needs a billing system bwahaha

Not only were 778 Interbus CO's destroyed in lowsec, 674 Player owned ones were put in their place.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=512323#post512323
Very few of them are dead so far.

High Sec Industry is vital to null sec but it isn't player side, it's stuff like R&D that they haven't intergrated in to null sec. You can't get data cores in Null to keep production. As for ship side, no high sec Ops is going to compete with Outpost industry so yes, certainly null takes care of its own.

Even your edit I think you will find we agree because most of the cunning can be traced back to intell.

For the OP's sake, any infrastructure you add to EVE is a magent for PvP and that's done on purpose. If you build it and they blow it up, don't rebuild it. It's like being robbed, most people get robbed multiple times. Once the thief knows how to get in, you are an easy mark. If you succeed in defending it, expect a bigger fish to try next time, so either up the defence or move the Ops. There are loads of planets in EVE.

That's a thing of beauty right there. I wonder how much a cut the devs that turn a blind eye get, and what would happen to EVE if it became publicized that CCP endorses specific groups RMT activities.

Considering how much money can be made in high sec with LESS RISK THAN NULL I'm fine with this scenario.

Some low sec POCOs were starting to go into reinforced this morning. In my part of space some tiny 'pirate' corps put up POCOs on some of the better planets. The local alliance is now sweeping them off.

Why won't ccp get this! please for the love of god No more structures with millions of hit points and a RF timer. It's just not fun and the pvp sucks balls cause they can set the timer for Some ungodly hr when we are sleeping or at work.

Why? Because damage dealing in EVE stacks infinitely well. Bring 2x the ships, stuff dies twice as fast. Bring 10x the ships, stuff dies 10x faster.

Figure out a way that you can't just stack DPS on a target to kill it faster and you'll have an EVE where large structure shoots are less necessary. Other MMOs do this via instanced bosses with member count limits in the fleet/group/raid size, but that won't work for EVE.

Well I understand that's the problem. That's why the blob works so well Numbers matter not skill.

So How does ccp fix this problem?
More hp and a RF timer.

what I don't understand is Why we needed POCO's

What is their purpose in eve? how do they make this game anymore fun to play then it was before?

They don't encourage small gang warfare because they take too long to kill and Have a RF timer set by the defender.
Large alliance's Don't benefit because Pos fuel prices are going to rise as the risk rises. + It's more work for already burnt out logistic pilots.

High sec get's the shaft.
And WH's are collateral dmg

Could a CCP dev Tell me What benefit they brought to the game? Cause i just don't see it.

what I don't understand is Why we needed POCO's

You forgot the distribution. The vast majority went up in nullsec and w-space (about equal numbers between the two) with very very few in lowsec where they would be griefed. Once the highsecers realize there is zero profits to be made from highsec PI any more because the nullbears can depress prices to below tax levels, they might move to lowsec. Where they'll get griefed back to highsec so nullbears can control yet another toy to solidify their RMT empires.

Also so much for Greyscale's "f*ck wormholers" attitude. Right back at ya dude.

Dust 514 and PI, I don't get it. Hilmar has already stated, initially anyway, all combat will only be on Terran worlds. So what are Dusties fighting over? Autotropes and Industrial fibers?
Yes you can put factories up but mine are on barren planets.

You forgot the distribution. The vast majority went up in nullsec and w-space (about equal numbers between the two) with very very few in lowsec where they would be griefed. Once the highsecers realize there is zero profits to be made from highsec PI any more because the nullbears can depress prices to below tax levels, they might move to lowsec. Where they'll get griefed back to highsec so nullbears can control yet another toy to solidify their RMT empires.

Also so much for Greyscale's "f*ck wormholers" attitude. Right back at ya dude.

Why? Because damage dealing in EVE stacks infinitely well. Bring 2x the ships, stuff dies twice as fast. Bring 10x the ships, stuff dies 10x faster.

Figure out a way that you can't just stack DPS on a target to kill it faster and you'll have an EVE where large structure shoots are less necessary. Other MMOs do this via instanced bosses with member count limits in the fleet/group/raid size, but that won't work for EVE.

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Are the predicted PCO griefers too busy putting up their own PCO's? Do griefers even bother with PI, and if not why aren't the making they tears flow?

What do you think?