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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
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Posted - 2015.12.24 11:12:41 -
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Linky link of linkness...
Note: Just a wee note to any of you reading this that would like to read possibly the best Chronicle by CCP in terms of tying current story lines together in EVE that go back half a decade in turns of events that the player base has actually witnessed. Now there are a few things I take issue with so you can expect and those will be explained bellow so SPOILERS! And before you mention it the title really isn't a spoiler as you will find out from reading the chronicle and if you have some understanding of the games lore.
Now first things first, I would like to thank CCP Delegate Zero and congratulate him for, as I mentioned in the note, one of, in my opinion, the best Chronicles ever produced by CCP. So a very merry Christmas to you sir as my inner nerd EVE lore nerd couldn't ask for much more than what you have created! I'm struggling to find a point to start when it comes to summing up just how brilliant this Chronicle is from the perspective of a lore junkie...
Key Points of Interest:
- Elder Mentor Matshi Raish scans of Jamyl I's avatar class titan's systems indicated the presence of a non-standard infomorph signature associated with her own neural interface connections as many theorized.
- As many thought the drifters appear to be "the emergence of the Second Empire survivors from Anoikis".
- The uncontrolled wormhole access to Anoikis made possible by the Isogen-5 Quantum Criticality Event led to an explosive spike in destruction of the survivor enclavesGÇÖ virtuality infrastructure.
-In the year 250BYC the Jovian's discovered wormhole gates in the system of W477-P surrounding its star.
-Veniel, is in possession of the famous Jovian cruiser class vessel: the Yoiul.
-In the year 200BYC, Veniel and Commander Ouria set forth through one of wormhole gates to Anoikis.
- The technology behind wormhole generation was not created by one of the older Jovian empires as originally thought, but by the Talocan.
- The discovery is made that the W477-P star will go supernova within the next millennium at the same time as the first explorations into Anoikis.
- The Isogen-5 event caused the likely window for a gravitational collapse supernova to drastically decrease.
-"In the five or so years since the Isogen-5 QCE, our numbers had fallen from 10,000 or so to perhaps a thousand scattered across the Jove Empire."
-The Jovian Directorate is no more.
- Caroline's Star was the W477-P star going supernova, knocking out the regions gates.
-GÇ£Yes, you hinted at a deeper connection between the W477-P stellar engine and Anoikis. YouGÇÖre suggesting a connection in the timing of the activity increase with the changing state of the star and the condition of the orbital lattice.GÇ¥
- "Anoikis is artificial.GÇ¥
I'll just let that bombshell settle for a minute... Maybe take a deep breath, count to 10, take up yoga or possibly some ancient form of meditation?
- The collapse of the Second Empire was likely caused by the discovery of W477-P by the Statis faction.
- Veniel bestows the Jovian seat at the Inner Circle to SoCT Elder Mentor Matshi Raish leading to a confrontation at the Inner Circle Tribunal in Yulai which is worthy of a trailer in its own right.
Now in my opinion that about covers the key events and points made within the Chronicle, if I've missed anything out or I've made a mistake at some point please do point it out.
My praise for this Chronicle really comes down to the number of story lines which have been tried together and rounded off and it leaves me asking the question: how long has CCP been planning this? There were so many different story arks covered here that many thought wouldn't be touched again and many were provided with a satisfy ending, but more on that later. I had a genuine feeling of excitement the entire way through reading as very little of the Chronicle was made up of irrelevant information and was crammed to the lid with references to previous events. I would love to see this Chronicle recreated as a trailer or as a short comic as its so vital to the story line as a whole. Now I could go on gushing about why the Chronicle is so great while providing little actual evidence, but I think its about time I stop. I'm sure many of you will agree with me upon reading that the Chronicle is just superb so rather than going into more detail about why its great I want to write down my criticisms.
Criticism:
- I'm a little disappointing that more of the players discoveries of Anoikis were included, such as the discoveries of Project Compass.
-I'm saddened to see that, as we've thought for years, CCP appears to have brought the Jovian story line to an end which frankly I'm quite disappointed by. I mean, you knew for quite some time that CCP wanted the Jove to be less advanced through edits made to some of the first Jovian story arks and that they have been trying to involve them less with the lore of the game. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we finally know the details of their demise and dwindling numbers, but, as I'm sure many of you will agree, the Jovian's are quite easily the most fascinating faction within New Eden and its a shame to see them go. However, I hold out hope that some day we might see them return after finding a way to finally cure the disease as I think they offer a certain mystery to the lore which is still needed. In other words one day CCP you will let me fly one of their ships! Please? Pretty please with a feddo on top? Damnit...
Well lets round things off shall we? Overall CCP Delegate Zero has created a informative and exciting Chronicle which ties together and polishes several of EVE Online's major story arks which were in desperate need of some tlc and thought it contains a few points with which I take issue, its definitely worth a read.
Merry Christmas,
Rod
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
31
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Posted - 2015.12.24 11:12:52 -
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28496
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Posted - 2015.12.24 11:26:00 -
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Add a spoilertag to the title.
So not going to read your post...
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
31
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Posted - 2015.12.24 12:22:05 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Add a spoilertag to the title.
So not going to read your post...
Your wish is my command Solecist. Please do return once you've had the time to read the Chronicle.  |
xestria
Molden Heath Software Company
0
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Posted - 2015.12.24 16:51:26 -
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I am intrigued about the potential link between Curse and UUA-F4 region.
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Khergit Deserters
Garoun Investment Bank
4299
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Posted - 2015.12.24 18:38:58 -
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Pretty amazing how CCP's lore guys cooked up such a complicated plot, and let it unfold piece by piece through ingame events, over the course of many months. That's some pretty elaborate and patient storytelling. I wonder if anything like this has happened in another MMO?
Also, what is this medium of storytelling called? It involves ingame media/game mechanics, community interaction, and finally regular text fiction. But also an out-of-game novel (Templar One) was involved as well. Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm....
You're trying to conquer me
You never will conquer me
-Delroy Wilson
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
33
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Posted - 2015.12.24 19:59:44 -
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xestria wrote:I am intrigued about the potential link between Curse and UUA-F4 region.
Sadly I think you will find the answer a little more mundane than you might have been hoping. From the chronicle we can assume
"the Second Empire discovered entryways into the Anoikis network in the vicinity of the Curse Region" which would suggest that indirectly UUA-F4 is linked through the wormhole gates, but aside from that there is nothing specific linking the regions. I think the Chronicle was more implying they managed to find the region UUA-F4 because it was in their "instinct", like birds migrating for example. Their ancestors found the region by using what would most likely be a similar talocan wormhole gate and the Stasis people, while exploring Anoikis, came across the region as an exit point of the artificial network.
That being said... It would imply there is something tasty for us to find in Curse? |
bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
M3 Industries
20
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Posted - 2015.12.25 02:10:22 -
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Roderick Raholan wrote:xestria wrote:I am intrigued about the potential link between Curse and UUA-F4 region.
Sadly I think you will find the answer a little more mundane than you might have been hoping. From the chronicle we can assume "the Second Empire discovered entryways into the Anoikis network in the vicinity of the Curse Region" which would suggest that indirectly UUA-F4 is linked through the wormhole gates, but aside from that there is nothing specific linking the regions. I think the Chronicle was more implying they managed to find the region UUA-F4 because it was in their "instinct", like birds migrating for example. Their ancestors found the region by using what would most likely be a similar talocan wormhole gate and the Stasis people, while exploring Anoikis, came across the region as an exit point of the artificial network. That being said... It would imply there is something tasty for us to find in Curse?
It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.
And can I here people's opinions on how it is "Artificial" is it matrix style or did the create a region of space ?
There's No Kill Like Overkill !
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4428
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Posted - 2015.12.25 09:36:37 -
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bardghost Isu wrote:(...)
And can I here people's opinions on how it is "Artificial" is it matrix style or did the create a region of space ?
Anoikis is artificial because the wormhole network was created by the Talocan. Anoikis is not a "pocket of systems accidentally linked by wormholes" but "an artificial grid of systems linked by man-made wormholes".
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4428
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Posted - 2015.12.25 09:42:08 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Pretty amazing how CCP's lore guys cooked up such a complicated plot, and let it unfold piece by piece through ingame events, over the course of many months. That's some pretty elaborate and patient storytelling. I wonder if anything like this has happened in another MMO?
Also, what is this medium of storytelling called? It involves ingame media/game mechanics, community interaction, and finally regular text fiction. But also an out-of-game novel (Templar One) was involved as well. Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm....
Time to remember that CCP Seagull won a Emmy for the game side of a mixed TV series-computer game production. 
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
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Posted - 2015.12.25 11:58:57 -
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bardghost Isu wrote:Roderick Raholan wrote:xestria wrote:I am intrigued about the potential link between Curse and UUA-F4 region.
Sadly I think you will find the answer a little more mundane than you might have been hoping. From the chronicle we can assume "the Second Empire discovered entryways into the Anoikis network in the vicinity of the Curse Region" which would suggest that indirectly UUA-F4 is linked through the wormhole gates, but aside from that there is nothing specific linking the regions. I think the Chronicle was more implying they managed to find the region UUA-F4 because it was in their "instinct", like birds migrating for example. Their ancestors found the region by using what would most likely be a similar talocan wormhole gate and the Stasis people, while exploring Anoikis, came across the region as an exit point of the artificial network. That being said... It would imply there is something tasty for us to find in Curse? It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell. And can I here people's opinions on how it is "Artificial" is it matrix style or did the create a region of space ?
I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick when it comes to the Stasis people, I'll give you some resources to go off.
The Stasis people were a faction of the Jovian Second Empire which chose to extensively make use of cryostasis and virtual environments. After the fall of the Second Empire the majority of the Stasis people's enclaves were simply missing which we now know are located in Anoikis.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=byVMAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=eve+stasis+faction+jovians&source=bl&ots=y1kNuIgCFk&sig=rPuMDC5qZ3u-EfvAh3ZA-cJu-Jw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib_puP-vbJAhXJhhoKHZjZDa0Q6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=eve%20stasis%20faction%20jovians&f=false |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1188
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Posted - 2015.12.25 12:15:57 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm....
In the mid-1980s scientific articles posited the emergence of AI as a lifeform that might flick us off it's shoulder like a flea, that immersion in computer generated environments would be so complete by the turn of the century that segments of the population would be detached from normal human life, that the convergence of massive advances in computer processing power, technological complexity and the complete mapping of the human genome would shake up life as we know it forever.
Since then we got cell phones, the internet and Dolly the sheep.
Watching Blade Runner in 2019 is going to be strange, as the main difference between it's debut and now is a generation who have had hardcore porn right there as they grew, and the straining asses of marketing psychos can now automatically connect through google to my home.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Shadowace Evi
CroGi
2
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Posted - 2015.12.25 14:16:31 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:(...)
And can I here people's opinions on how it is "Artificial" is it matrix style or did the create a region of space ? Anoikis is artificial because the wormhole network was created by the Talocan. Anoikis is not a "pocket of systems accidentally linked by wormholes" but "an artificial grid of systems linked by man-made wormholes".
This, it would be pretty silly of WH space was literately the matrix that had another matrix in it (aka sleepers) |
Orgah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2015.12.25 14:27:59 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm.... ...But we got Angry Birds, Candy Crush Saga and countless MOBAs instead.
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bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
M3 Industries
20
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Posted - 2015.12.26 12:23:31 -
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Shadowace Evi wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:(...)
And can I here people's opinions on how it is "Artificial" is it matrix style or did the create a region of space ? Anoikis is artificial because the wormhole network was created by the Talocan. Anoikis is not a "pocket of systems accidentally linked by wormholes" but "an artificial grid of systems linked by man-made wormholes". This, it would be pretty silly of WH space was literately the matrix that had another matrix in it (aka sleepers)
I know it would sound silly but the context I read it in was that of it being created to suit their needs not just one simply of being linked together but actual distortion of space time to create a pocket only they can access, until the isogen-5 event which screwed it all ip
There's No Kill Like Overkill !
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Cecil Montague
PCG Enterprises
79
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Posted - 2015.12.26 13:07:46 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:[quote=Khergit Deserters] ... that immersion in computer generated environments would be so complete by the turn of the century that segments of the population would be detached from normal human life...
Isn't that Twitter?
"There is no such thing as an effective segment of Totality" - Bruce Lee: The only man with a Chuck Norris killmail.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3723
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Posted - 2015.12.28 04:33:28 -
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There is also this;
GÇ£Yes, Archon. Therefore I took the risk, as did the adepts that volunteered to crew my ship. Tell me, do you know if any were captured?GÇ¥
GÇ£They all passed peacefully. I am sure all were well aware of what awaited them if captured alive. After all, they have only lost a little time, is that not so?GÇ¥
GÇ£Yes, Archon, all synchronized before we left on the mission.GÇ¥
Synchronized? Only lost a little time? That sounds like you can make a backup copy of your mind, and if you die without the flash brain reader be have in our pods, you still come back. In other words, we could die outside our pods and not lose the character. This opens up the ability to do things with our characters other than fly a ship.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2847
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Posted - 2015.12.28 04:40:39 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:There is also this;
GÇ£Yes, Archon. Therefore I took the risk, as did the adepts that volunteered to crew my ship. Tell me, do you know if any were captured?GÇ¥
GÇ£They all passed peacefully. I am sure all were well aware of what awaited them if captured alive. After all, they have only lost a little time, is that not so?GÇ¥
GÇ£Yes, Archon, all synchronized before we left on the mission.GÇ¥
Synchronized? Only lost a little time? That sounds like you can make a backup copy of your mind, and if you die without the flash brain reader be have in our pods, you still come back. In other words, we could die outside our pods and not lose the character. This opens up the ability to do things with our characters other than fly a ship.
'Soft cloning' has been an accepted thing for quite a while in the lore community. However it's not meant to be an easy or fast process to create one safely. You don't spend 2 minutes doing a back up, more like days from what decent information we have.
And in theory you would/should lose all skills gained in the mean time as well. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7232
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Posted - 2015.12.28 05:56:37 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Pretty amazing how CCP's lore guys cooked up such a complicated plot, and let it unfold piece by piece through ingame events, over the course of many months. That's some pretty elaborate and patient storytelling. I wonder if anything like this has happened in another MMO?
Also, what is this medium of storytelling called? It involves ingame media/game mechanics, community interaction, and finally regular text fiction. But also an out-of-game novel (Templar One) was involved as well. Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm....
CCP is sitting on a kind of "full spectrum" story engagement that I hope may become a model for how to "deliver" science fiction.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
475
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Posted - 2015.12.28 15:35:31 -
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It delivers.
All that talk about Talocan playing with the fabric of the universe makes me wonder about the Cord of the Elements region.
Quote:Winding through the Syndicate region is a natural phenomenon that has baffled scientists for centuries. The phenomenon, a super-dense dark cloud, bends time in such a way that all space-travel in or close to the phenomenon is impossible, or at least extremely hazardous. Most scientists believe that the Cord is the remnant of collision between two black holes millions of years ago that permanently 'scarred' space. Others believe the Cord to be the result of a science experiment, possibly conducted by alien life forms, that went seriously awry eons ago. |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3723
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Posted - 2015.12.28 15:37:36 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:There is also this;
GÇ£Yes, Archon. Therefore I took the risk, as did the adepts that volunteered to crew my ship. Tell me, do you know if any were captured?GÇ¥
GÇ£They all passed peacefully. I am sure all were well aware of what awaited them if captured alive. After all, they have only lost a little time, is that not so?GÇ¥
GÇ£Yes, Archon, all synchronized before we left on the mission.GÇ¥
Synchronized? Only lost a little time? That sounds like you can make a backup copy of your mind, and if you die without the flash brain reader be have in our pods, you still come back. In other words, we could die outside our pods and not lose the character. This opens up the ability to do things with our characters other than fly a ship.
'Soft cloning' has been an accepted thing for quite a while in the lore community. However it's not meant to be an easy or fast process to create one safely. You don't spend 2 minutes doing a back up, more like days from what decent information we have. And in theory you would/should lose all skills gained in the mean time as well.
If ccp wanted to use soft cloning as a game mechanic, I'm they would introduce a "breakthrough" that spend it up. Or just say our implants make it faster than it is for a baseliner. As for losing skills: There is the basic Eve theme: Loss has meaning.
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Daerrol
Death By Design
Did he say Jump
284
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Posted - 2015.12.28 15:53:49 -
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Why do we need softcloning? We have a much better way to clone |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2015.12.29 00:09:14 -
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This has incredibly fascinating implications. Thank you for sharing it!
"Feed me MORE!!" |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1189
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Posted - 2015.12.29 04:53:04 -
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Kuronaga wrote:It delivers. All that talk about Talocan playing with the fabric of the universe makes me wonder about the Cord of the Elements region. Quote:Winding through the Syndicate region is a natural phenomenon that has baffled scientists for centuries. The phenomenon, a super-dense dark cloud, bends time in such a way that all space-travel in or close to the phenomenon is impossible, or at least extremely hazardous. Most scientists believe that the Cord is the remnant of collision between two black holes millions of years ago that permanently 'scarred' space. Others believe the Cord to be the result of a science experiment, possibly conducted by alien life forms, that went seriously awry eons ago.
Some region descriptions have inspired me to travel just to see things. I forget the name of the system, but a description once told me that a black hole was visible from there. So off i fly to see it.
When i got there, nothing special in the sky and troll fleet invites from the sort of low-sec fart-joke that discourages all hope.
Some really haunting stories in region descriptions.
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AOAm Adranas'Lira
Atreidun Order
0
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Posted - 2015.12.29 09:49:28 -
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Interesting material! |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28989
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Posted - 2015.12.29 11:40:21 -
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Today I will finally take some peacetime to read that damn chronicle so I can read this damn thread already!
This was a message to the OP.
Alex Grison > If there was a bipartisan bill supporting cannabis use for arthritic pain, it would be Joint support for Joint support for joint support
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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
477
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Been thinking about this chronicle a bit and the reaction it received. In truth, the more I think about it the less impressed I am. This is purely from a writers point of view though.
In general, if you have to have a plot explained by a character you've kinda failed at storytelling. This chronicle was pretty much two dudes sitting down and having a conversation about all the stuff that happened which nobody ever bothered to SHOW through an actual story.
In that sense, I feel it is kind of lazy. Of course, the plot points themselves are excellent and the end scene is definitely solid enough. But 90% of this chronicle was backstory that could have been shown, and instead it was told. Show is always better than tell, and by that I mean building a narrative around characters and having them discover these things organically. In that sense this was kind of a failure, as Jovian dude just kinda sweeps in and is like "Hey brah, been out of things for 10 years so here's what happened."
Still, it takes more time and effort to show and I suppose they can only do so much with what is afforded to them. |
AOAm Adranas'Lira
Atreidun Order
0
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:16:27 -
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Just because the Jove are on the verge of extinction doesn't mean their assets will never be seen again or be 100% removed from the game. On the contrary, the loss of the final Third Empire Jove, when it does happen, means all those assets are in need of command from someone.
Supposing those assets don't all self destruct or remain eternally cloaked, an idea that goes against Jove dispersion of knowledge, they would logically be transfer to their most suitable heir: The SoCT. Even if the Jove in their prime were a 1/100th or 1/1000th the population of the other Empires they still had more than enough assets to keep capsuleers healthily populated with Jove ships. Perhaps a limited edition release from SoCT? Maybe hybrid ships? Who knows, but as I said, even if the Jove are most likely gone, they're tech. will almost certainly not be; it's just going to fall into others hands. Its just a matter of time.
"To that extent, the Jove are gone. But they did not leave without setting their affairs in order.GÇ¥
"It is quite simple. The Society of Conscious Thought have inherited the mantle of the Jovian Directorate.
GÇ£More than that, I am entrusting to you the legacy of my people. It will be difficult, be in no doubt. The Second Empire survivors are unpredictable as matters stand. A great amount of your work must be bent to managing the problem they raise. Then also, the capsuleers remain the great investment in the future that should be shepherded most carefully. You can do this more directly only if you have the power to do so. I intend to give you, and the Society, this power. Come.GÇ¥ |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29028
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Okay.
I've read it.
I don't know what to say.
Is there any information actually exploitable/usable from the player's perspective ...
... or is it passive storytelling, degrading us to useless consumers? :P
Alex Grison > If there was a bipartisan bill supporting cannabis use for arthritic pain, it would be Joint support for Joint support for joint support
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7235
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Posted - 2015.12.29 16:09:22 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Today I will finally take some peacetime to read that damn chronicle so I can read this damn thread already!
This was a message to the OP.
You will not be disappointed. Probably one of the best chronicles since the ones heralding Apocrypha.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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