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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.29 16:11:38 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Today I will finally take some peacetime to read that damn chronicle so I can read this damn thread already!
This was a message to the OP. You will not be disappointed. Probably one of the best chronicles since the ones heralding Apocrypha. I really liked it and it's long enough that it contains an actual story that's interesting ... ... but I, as player, don't know what to do with it.
I'm feeling a bit lost and want to know. :)
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7236
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Posted - 2015.12.29 16:30:06 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Today I will finally take some peacetime to read that damn chronicle so I can read this damn thread already!
This was a message to the OP. You will not be disappointed. Probably one of the best chronicles since the ones heralding Apocrypha. I really liked it and it's long enough that it contains an actual story that's interesting ... ... but I, as player, don't know what to do with it. I'm feeling a bit lost and want to know. :)
Indeed. I have similar feelings about it. If CCP gives away the entire lore store, we could run out of mystery. My only regret is that players don't get as much a chance to uncover "the truth" (to whatever extent) but that's an old problem anyway. They can't bet that the players will ever find it. The exception is Hilen Tukoss' death and the recovery of his body by a player run expedition and the drama with the DED that followed.
And I also feel lost in regards to what gets done with this information. But then, I've been lost in this game for almost 10 years so there's nothing new there (and I would not have it any other way).
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
130
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Posted - 2015.12.29 17:36:36 -
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Trying to think of the impact this would have on players...
1) DED inner circle politics has been disrupted, which may lead to a difference in the way that DED (or at least the SOCT) deals with capsuleers
"Then also, the capsuleers remain the great investment in the future that should be shepherded most carefully. You can do this more directly only if you have the power to do so. I intend to give you, and the Society, this power."
It is that "shepherded" and "power to do so" that leads me to think things might be more active than merely passive observation.
2) Implication is that the Drifters are Second Empire Jove that have taken physical bodies again. How will they react to SOCT now that they are essentially the Jovian Directorate? They were already raiding Third Empire Jove installations. Perhaps time to keep an eye on N-K4Q0 constellation in Geminate.
3) " They built a stable network of wormhole connections among star systems that would not ordinarily or readily support such connections with each other. They altered the very fabric of space-time in the networkGÇÖs systems. They altered resonance points and so arranged matters so as to be able to move between the systems of the Anoikis network with the ease that you and I might move between rooms in a house."
This is not a description of the unstable wormholes we find today, as a result of the Isogen-5 incident. What the Talocan appeared to have created were stable wormholes, more akin to stargates, between Anoikis systems. Where are those now? The machinery should still be around unless the Stasis Faction destroyed them all. I have a gut feeling there is a link between the old Talocan tech and the envisioned ability of our being able to build our own stargates. That bit about our building stargates was still being shown as recently as EVE Vegas last month.
4) Veniel mentions that the Jove found Talocan wormholes from Curse to UUA-FA. In the years since the Isogen-5 incident, no capsuleer has found a way to Jove space, though Kuvakei seemed to. It would make sense that the Jove used their understanding of wormhole tech to suppress the Talocan wormhole network in their region, if nothing else as a measure of securing their borders. Or perhaps the Stasis Faction disabled/destroyed them to isolate themselves. Either way, I don't think we are going to find a way into Jove space.
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Husidh
The Polar Express
18
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Posted - 2015.12.30 06:40:46 -
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as an 8 month old player with little undrstanding of lore, can you link somethigns that would hlep me out? What is the jove directorate? What is Anoikis? Caroline's Star? etc.? ELI5 basically. |

Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
292
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Posted - 2015.12.30 07:11:19 -
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Husidh wrote:as an 8 month old player with little undrstanding of lore, can you link somethigns that would hlep me out? What is the jove directorate? What is Anoikis? Caroline's Star? etc.? ELI5 basically.
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29263
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Posted - 2015.12.30 13:04:29 -
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Irregessa wrote: 4) Veniel mentions that the Jove found Talocan wormholes from Curse to UUA-FA. In the years since the Isogen-5 incident, no capsuleer has found a way to Jove space, though Kuvakei seemed to. It would make sense that the Jove used their understanding of wormhole tech to suppress the Talocan wormhole network in their region, if nothing else as a measure of securing their borders. Or perhaps the Stasis Faction disabled/destroyed them to isolate themselves. Either way, I don't think we are going to find a way into Jove space.
Is there any evidence that enough people tried to rule out the possibility?
When did they try, where did they try, when was the last time someone tried?
Hm...
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate
40
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:21:10 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Irregessa wrote: 4) Veniel mentions that the Jove found Talocan wormholes from Curse to UUA-FA. In the years since the Isogen-5 incident, no capsuleer has found a way to Jove space, though Kuvakei seemed to. It would make sense that the Jove used their understanding of wormhole tech to suppress the Talocan wormhole network in their region, if nothing else as a measure of securing their borders. Or perhaps the Stasis Faction disabled/destroyed them to isolate themselves. Either way, I don't think we are going to find a way into Jove space.
Is there any evidence that enough people tried to rule out the possibility? When did they try, where did they try, when was the last time someone tried? Hm...
Took a little break from the forums over the past few days since a certain game *cough fallout cough* was release and I'm really quite surprised that this thread is still active, glad to see so many are interested in discussing the implications of this new chronicle. Might I add Solecist, I'm glad you've returned and since I appear to have done the same I'll try and assist where I can with the discussion.
From my understand of the Chronicle and the games lore their is no specific connection between the region and Curse, it is simply that Veniel toys with the idea that it is within curse that the Jovian Second Empire first stumbled upon an entrance to the wormhole network. So the only specific connection is that it would appear that in both regions exist one of these gates and it is possible that they could be found, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did Dr.Bork or one of his associates from the Intergalactic Summit would have already found it and would be trying to get as much attention as possible *chuckle*. That being said I haven't had a good expedition in awhile...
Nothing in the chronicle suggests that the Jovian's made any attempt to "suppress" the Talocan network, now what it does suggest is that Kuvakei discovered away to generate a unstable wormhole, which I did forget to mention... Is bloody possible on a ship! I mean how crazy is that right? I mean I know its Jovian, but still, just think about the implications of such technology. People have always wanted to get to Jovian space, remember their is nothing actually interesting their from an in game perspective so I think if we ever do gain access or maybe if it was possible to mount an expedition CCP would have a hell of a lot of work to do.
Hope that helps clear things up a bit, but Solecist please specify what you mean by try? If you mean reach Jovian space, people try all the time. A rumor popped up a month or so ago that someone had a new method and was paying for help, never did hear back from it, most likely an exploit like the legendary medical clones and the system grid flying, but I think really believe the grid travelling stuff just due to the sheer time that would be involved, if it was done on a distance basis it would take a longer than the game had been in existence, but if rather, when the area for one system ends a new one begins which is far more likely it might have been possible. I really don't know. That's the issue with EVE when it comes to lore and people roleplaying, its really quite difficult when these events occurred in many occasions over a decade ago to actually work out whats what. |

Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29295
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:26:45 -
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Sheesh, I've actually read that! :)
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate
42
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:42:18 -
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Solecist I'm very proud of you!
Kuronaga wrote:Been thinking about this chronicle a bit and the reaction it received. In truth, the more I think about it the less impressed I am. This is purely from a writers point of view though.
In general, if you have to have a plot explained by a character you've kinda failed at storytelling. This chronicle was pretty much two dudes sitting down and having a conversation about all the stuff that happened which nobody ever bothered to SHOW through an actual story.
In that sense, I feel it is kind of lazy. Of course, the plot points themselves are excellent and the end scene is definitely solid enough. But 90% of this chronicle was backstory that could have been shown, and instead it was told. Show is always better than tell, and by that I mean building a narrative around characters and having them discover these things organically. In that sense this was kind of a failure, as Jovian dude just kinda sweeps in and is like "Hey brah, we've been out of things for 10 years so here's what happened."
Still, it takes more time and effort to show and I suppose they can only do so much with what is afforded to them. But I can only imagine my former professor giving this a C+ or maybe B- because it finished strong.
I think you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. We've been shown this "stuff" by CCP for over five years since the events which lead to the introduction of wormhole space, even further if you take into account its inclusion of Veniel. The story you're referring to is the story of EVE Online, a story that though constructed by CCP, has been tailored by the players of EVE over the years. The Chronicle is the icing on the cake, its years of complex plot points and events all tied together through a complex dialogue between two very important characters, from a lore perspective. Its meant to cover the back story as many players weren't around to actually be apart of it themselves and hands up all of you who joined the game and instantly read all of the chronicles? I've hardly read any of them. We've been living this story, I think that's them showing it enough don't you? We're not critiquing this as writing alone. |

Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29295
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:45:25 -
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You asked me about the trying. You say people try all the time.
That's great, however while everyone can learn to play chess ... ... it doesn't mean everyone's smart enough to grasp advanced strategies.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate
43
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:51:57 -
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Solecist Project wrote:You asked me about the trying. You say people try all the time.
That's great, however while everyone can learn to play chess ... ... it doesn't mean everyone's smart enough to grasp advanced strategies.
True, however may I point out again, we have no reason to believe that their is things within the game at this point in time that no one has discovered or that anything actually exists within Jovian space. Its basically just a dev playground where things are tested on the main server and the AT is held. |

Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29300
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:07:05 -
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Roderick Raholan wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You asked me about the trying. You say people try all the time.
That's great, however while everyone can learn to play chess ... ... it doesn't mean everyone's smart enough to grasp advanced strategies. True, however may I point out again, we have no reason to believe that their is things within the game at this point in time that no one has discovered or that anything actually exists within Jovian space. Its basically just a dev playground where things are tested on the main server and the AT is held. Devs themselves said there's still things people haven't figured/found out. One of them, at least, was connected to the drifters.
We need a fleet of 100 pilots using Command Destroyers to create the biggest ... ... longest ... ... farthest reaching ... ... even-bigger-than-your-mom jump-chain ever! :O
I strongly doubt there aren't ways to beat the system ......
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
1715
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:15:39 -
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Roderick Raholan wrote: - "Anoikis is artificial.GÇ¥
I think Talocans were so advanced that we will never meet them again. After all everything what they left seems to be discarded by them like a pair of socks with holes.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate
43
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:19:03 -
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Husidh wrote:as an 8 month old player with little undrstanding of lore, can you link somethigns that would hlep me out? What is the jove directorate? What is Anoikis? Caroline's Star? etc.? ELI5 basically.
If you still require help, I know this games lore can be a bit of a minefield to traverse, feel free to hit me up in game and I'll do all I can to get you more involved and put you in touch with certain contacts and channels which can assist you on your journey.
Solecist Project wrote: Devs themselves said there's still things people haven't figured/found out. One of them, at least, was connected to the drifters.
We need a fleet of 100 pilots using Command Destroyers to create the biggest ... ... longest ... ... farthest reaching ... ... even-bigger-than-your-mom jump-chain ever! :O
I strongly doubt there aren't ways to beat the system ......
Frankly I thought we had found what the devs were referring to, you wouldn't happen to have a linky link of linkness for me? Though if you're honest interested in taking some time from the forums and having a poke around curse for example I would be happy to join you, I'm in the need of a good expedition *smiles*. |

Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
480
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:22:23 -
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bardghost Isu wrote:
It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.
I assumed it was a typo or other way of referring to the Statics branch of the Jove:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Statics |

Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate
43
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:29:16 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:
It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.
I assumed it was a typo or other way of referring to the Statics branch of the Jove: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Statics
You might want to read to Chronicle *wink*, its mentioned a total of nine times. The Stasis people made In fact the link you provided under section 2.3 covers the Stasis people. |

Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
480
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:36:34 -
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Roderick Raholan wrote:Utremi Fasolasi wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:
It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.
I assumed it was a typo or other way of referring to the Statics branch of the Jove: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Statics You might want to read to Chronicle *wink*, its mentioned a total of nine times. The Stasis people made In fact the link you provided under section 2.3 covers the Stasis people.
Right, I was saying I assumed it was a typo in the Chronicle or another way of referring to Statics in the Chronicle, then I scrolled down in what I had linked, and made an edit before I saw your post just now.
This group is interesting to go back to and read about too, it reminds me of the Drifters a bit:
"Unsullied
The Unsullied are the group of Jovians that have rejected further generic experiments and instead adopt conventional methods to deal with sickness and old age. Genetic engineering has through the centuries transformed Jovian society in every aspect imaginable. Many Jovians, denoted as Unsullied, believe that enough has been done. They are advocates of cyber-implants and want to use machines instead of genes in the search for better life." |

Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29315
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:40:12 -
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Roderick Raholan wrote:Husidh wrote:as an 8 month old player with little undrstanding of lore, can you link somethigns that would hlep me out? What is the jove directorate? What is Anoikis? Caroline's Star? etc.? ELI5 basically. If you still require help, I know this games lore can be a bit of a minefield to traverse, feel free to hit me up in game and I'll do all I can to get you more involved and put you in touch with certain contacts and channels which can assist you on your journey. Solecist Project wrote: Devs themselves said there's still things people haven't figured/found out. One of them, at least, was connected to the drifters.
We need a fleet of 100 pilots using Command Destroyers to create the biggest ... ... longest ... ... farthest reaching ... ... even-bigger-than-your-mom jump-chain ever! :O
I strongly doubt there aren't ways to beat the system ...... Frankly I thought we had found what the devs were referring to, you wouldn't happen to have a linky link of linkness for me? Though if you're honest interested in taking some time from the forums and having a poke around curse for example I would be happy to join you, I'm in the need of a good expedition *smiles*. I'm not sure what you want me to link? I don't recall where I have that from. I can be happy to remember which threads I need to check for follow-up posts...
Curse. Ha, I'm absolutely clueless ... ... but I'd love taking my shoe for a spin!
Btw ... has anyone ever found out which modules affect wormholes?
Sooo... a date in, say 15min? I'm in jita ... hmmm tight pants or skirt? Sheesh all my clothes' in hek. Pfff.
;)
2100 eveTime?
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1990
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:54:44 -
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It is kinda sad that all the stuff thy built up over the years with hints here and there ingame and in fiction was just revealed in one go by some jovian guy. Why not let it be discovered ingame by the people who enjoy this kind of things...
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
480
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:57:05 -
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Roderick Raholan wrote:
Frankly I thought we had found what the devs were referring to, you wouldn't happen to have a linky link of linkness for me? Though if you're honest interested in taking some time from the forums and having a poke around curse for example I would be happy to join you, I'm in the need of a good expedition *smiles*.
In the lore around the Angel Cartel, remember their headquarters is in Curse they are assumed to have looted any Jovian archeological remains from the previous empire there for their own purposes. The Machariel and Daredevil and Dramiel are all said to be based on old Jovian designs. |

Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29338
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Posted - 2015.12.30 21:15:01 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:It is kinda sad that all the stuff thy built up over the years with hints here and there ingame and in fiction was just revealed in one go by some jovian guy. Why not let it be discovered ingame by the people who enjoy this kind of things... As I said above, there's still things undiscovered. I'm sure the problem here is the players more than CCP...
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
251
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Posted - 2015.12.30 23:21:21 -
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I wonder if The Orphyx Program is part of the Drifters or Sleepers.
No one has ever found the program and it is still loose. I would hate to say what would happen if The Orphyx Program got into Drifter or Sleeper Space let alone Rogue Drone Space.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Orphyx_Program |

permion
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
30
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Posted - 2015.12.31 01:02:29 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Been thinking about this chronicle a bit and the reaction it received. In truth, the more I think about it the less impressed I am. This is purely from a writers point of view though.
In general, if you have to have a plot explained by a character you've kinda failed at storytelling. This chronicle was pretty much two dudes sitting down and having a conversation about all the stuff that happened which nobody ever bothered to SHOW through an actual story.
In that sense, I feel it is kind of lazy. Of course, the plot points themselves are excellent and the end scene is definitely solid enough. But 90% of this chronicle was backstory that could have been shown, and instead it was told. Show is always better than tell, and by that I mean building a narrative around characters and having them discover these things organically. In that sense this was kind of a failure, as Jovian dude just kinda sweeps in and is like "Hey brah, we've been out of things for 10 years so here's what happened."
Still, it takes more time and effort to show and I suppose they can only do so much with what is afforded to them. But I can only imagine my former professor giving this a C+ or maybe B- because it finished strong.
The problem with the EvE medium is that it has happened across so A LOT of mediums. There are 3 Novels, short stories on the main website, Some comics, SUPER cryptic hints in games, hints "blatently" told to you in game(site warp, show info's, agent interaction), in game events(both live and automated), player actions that have become canon, Purposeful GM leaks(reddit, chat, and similar).
Since most people aren't In all places, they needed to "break open" the story in one place.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2871
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Posted - 2015.12.31 01:39:41 -
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permion wrote: The problem with the EvE medium is that it has happened across so A LOT of mediums. There are 3 Novels, short stories on the main website, Some comics, SUPER cryptic hints in games, hints "blatently" told to you in game(site warp, show info's, agent interaction), in game events(both live and automated), player actions that have become canon, Purposeful GM leaks(reddit, chat, and similar).
Since most people aren't In all places, they needed to "break open" the story in one place.
Also some stuff has been taken as canon when it's actually not, just to even further confuse the issue, and some players deliberately present fan fiction as canon also.
So yea, that Chron was great, still left a lot of other questions, but actually gave us as players a better picture of what's been happening so that we can actually respond appropriately. |

Sim Cognito
Operation Valkyr The Gurlstas Associates
13
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Posted - 2015.12.31 17:09:13 -
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Absolutely amazing chronicle. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, my eyes gleaming over what was happening. Just the EVE lore-shock I neede to get back into the EVE Universe.
Quote:This is not merely stellar engineering. This is engineering the topology of space and time so as to serve a civilization. This was nothing less than an attempt to focus the telos of the universe itself on their existence and needs. Astounding arrogance. A hubris the like of which casts we Jove into the role of humble mendicants to the impassive stars. We should be thankful that the Talocan, while leaving their traces behind them, are no longer present in New Eden or Anoikis.
This is one of my favorite parts. Well done CCP Delegate Zero, and CCP in general. |

Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2015.12.31 17:39:32 -
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Some would say this is like cutting the story short, but introducing something line this is all we need to start the next chapter. All we need is Talocans stuff to throw a major curve to the story, the outcomes of this epic. |

Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29533
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Posted - 2016.01.01 10:41:22 -
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Men! First he talks a lot and then he just vanishes.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
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LuisWu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2016.01.01 18:15:00 -
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The lore needs this kind of chronicles more often in my opinion. It's not a good thing when every conversation about the lore starts with something in the line of "let's put our tinfoil hats for a moment, what if (insert crazy jovian/sleeper theory here)?" and is refuted by other in the line of "yeah but we don't know so maybe (insert another completely opposed yet crazy jovian /sleeper theory here)"
In order to theorise we need some reliable data like the ones provided in this chronicle.
And less almost omnipotent entites, also solved in this chronicle.
F*** This Game
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate
45
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Posted - 2016.01.02 12:09:41 -
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LuisWu wrote:The lore needs this kind of chronicles more often in my opinion. It's not a good thing when every conversation about the lore starts with something in the line of "let's put our tinfoil hats for a moment, what if (insert crazy jovian/sleeper theory here)?" and is refuted by other in the line of "yeah but we don't know so maybe (insert another completely opposed yet crazy jovian /sleeper theory here)"
In order to theorise we need some reliable data like the ones provided in this chronicle.
And less almost omnipotent entites, also solved in this chronicle.
To be fair basically everything mentioned within this Chronicle aside from the end scene and some stuff with Veniel was already known knowledge, its just no one had effectively plotted the points together. We had already identified it was the awakening of the second empire, that it was the star which caused the gates to offline and such. I don't think CCP could have really given us much more data without making it Science Lab online or something of the like. You have to tread carefully along the line of when is discovering lore fun or work. Few people, even within the role playing community actually have the scientific knowledge to understand some of the things CCP implements. |

Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2016.01.02 12:11:33 -
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Roderick Raholan wrote:LuisWu wrote:The lore needs this kind of chronicles more often in my opinion. It's not a good thing when every conversation about the lore starts with something in the line of "let's put our tinfoil hats for a moment, what if (insert crazy jovian/sleeper theory here)?" and is refuted by other in the line of "yeah but we don't know so maybe (insert another completely opposed yet crazy jovian /sleeper theory here)"
In order to theorise we need some reliable data like the ones provided in this chronicle.
And less almost omnipotent entites, also solved in this chronicle. To be fair basically everything mentioned within this Chronicle aside from the end scene and some stuff with Veniel was already known knowledge, its just no one had effectively plotted the points together. We had already identified it was the awakening of the second empire, that it was the star which caused the gates to offline and such. I don't think CCP could have really given us much more data without making it Science Lab online or something of the like. You have to tread carefully along the line of when is discovering lore fun or work. Few people, even within the role playing community actually have the scientific knowledge to understand some of the things CCP implements.
It was mostly unconfirmed though highly probable, until this. |
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