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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
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Posted - 2015.12.24 11:12:41 -
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Linky link of linkness...
Note: Just a wee note to any of you reading this that would like to read possibly the best Chronicle by CCP in terms of tying current story lines together in EVE that go back half a decade in turns of events that the player base has actually witnessed. Now there are a few things I take issue with so you can expect and those will be explained bellow so SPOILERS! And before you mention it the title really isn't a spoiler as you will find out from reading the chronicle and if you have some understanding of the games lore.
Now first things first, I would like to thank CCP Delegate Zero and congratulate him for, as I mentioned in the note, one of, in my opinion, the best Chronicles ever produced by CCP. So a very merry Christmas to you sir as my inner nerd EVE lore nerd couldn't ask for much more than what you have created! I'm struggling to find a point to start when it comes to summing up just how brilliant this Chronicle is from the perspective of a lore junkie...
Key Points of Interest:
- Elder Mentor Matshi Raish scans of Jamyl I's avatar class titan's systems indicated the presence of a non-standard infomorph signature associated with her own neural interface connections as many theorized.
- As many thought the drifters appear to be "the emergence of the Second Empire survivors from Anoikis".
- The uncontrolled wormhole access to Anoikis made possible by the Isogen-5 Quantum Criticality Event led to an explosive spike in destruction of the survivor enclavesGÇÖ virtuality infrastructure.
-In the year 250BYC the Jovian's discovered wormhole gates in the system of W477-P surrounding its star.
-Veniel, is in possession of the famous Jovian cruiser class vessel: the Yoiul.
-In the year 200BYC, Veniel and Commander Ouria set forth through one of wormhole gates to Anoikis.
- The technology behind wormhole generation was not created by one of the older Jovian empires as originally thought, but by the Talocan.
- The discovery is made that the W477-P star will go supernova within the next millennium at the same time as the first explorations into Anoikis.
- The Isogen-5 event caused the likely window for a gravitational collapse supernova to drastically decrease.
-"In the five or so years since the Isogen-5 QCE, our numbers had fallen from 10,000 or so to perhaps a thousand scattered across the Jove Empire."
-The Jovian Directorate is no more.
- Caroline's Star was the W477-P star going supernova, knocking out the regions gates.
-GÇ£Yes, you hinted at a deeper connection between the W477-P stellar engine and Anoikis. YouGÇÖre suggesting a connection in the timing of the activity increase with the changing state of the star and the condition of the orbital lattice.GÇ¥
- "Anoikis is artificial.GÇ¥
I'll just let that bombshell settle for a minute... Maybe take a deep breath, count to 10, take up yoga or possibly some ancient form of meditation?
- The collapse of the Second Empire was likely caused by the discovery of W477-P by the Statis faction.
- Veniel bestows the Jovian seat at the Inner Circle to SoCT Elder Mentor Matshi Raish leading to a confrontation at the Inner Circle Tribunal in Yulai which is worthy of a trailer in its own right.
Now in my opinion that about covers the key events and points made within the Chronicle, if I've missed anything out or I've made a mistake at some point please do point it out.
My praise for this Chronicle really comes down to the number of story lines which have been tried together and rounded off and it leaves me asking the question: how long has CCP been planning this? There were so many different story arks covered here that many thought wouldn't be touched again and many were provided with a satisfy ending, but more on that later. I had a genuine feeling of excitement the entire way through reading as very little of the Chronicle was made up of irrelevant information and was crammed to the lid with references to previous events. I would love to see this Chronicle recreated as a trailer or as a short comic as its so vital to the story line as a whole. Now I could go on gushing about why the Chronicle is so great while providing little actual evidence, but I think its about time I stop. I'm sure many of you will agree with me upon reading that the Chronicle is just superb so rather than going into more detail about why its great I want to write down my criticisms.
Criticism:
- I'm a little disappointing that more of the players discoveries of Anoikis were included, such as the discoveries of Project Compass.
-I'm saddened to see that, as we've thought for years, CCP appears to have brought the Jovian story line to an end which frankly I'm quite disappointed by. I mean, you knew for quite some time that CCP wanted the Jove to be less advanced through edits made to some of the first Jovian story arks and that they have been trying to involve them less with the lore of the game. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we finally know the details of their demise and dwindling numbers, but, as I'm sure many of you will agree, the Jovian's are quite easily the most fascinating faction within New Eden and its a shame to see them go. However, I hold out hope that some day we might see them return after finding a way to finally cure the disease as I think they offer a certain mystery to the lore which is still needed. In other words one day CCP you will let me fly one of their ships! Please? Pretty please with a feddo on top? Damnit...
Well lets round things off shall we? Overall CCP Delegate Zero has created a informative and exciting Chronicle which ties together and polishes several of EVE Online's major story arks which were in desperate need of some tlc and thought it contains a few points with which I take issue, its definitely worth a read.
Merry Christmas,
Rod
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
31
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Posted - 2015.12.24 11:12:52 -
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Reserved |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28496
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Posted - 2015.12.24 11:26:00 -
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Add a spoilertag to the title.
So not going to read your post...
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
31
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Posted - 2015.12.24 12:22:05 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Add a spoilertag to the title.
So not going to read your post...
Your wish is my command Solecist. Please do return once you've had the time to read the Chronicle.  |
xestria
Molden Heath Software Company
0
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Posted - 2015.12.24 16:51:26 -
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I am intrigued about the potential link between Curse and UUA-F4 region.
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Khergit Deserters
Garoun Investment Bank
4299
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Posted - 2015.12.24 18:38:58 -
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Pretty amazing how CCP's lore guys cooked up such a complicated plot, and let it unfold piece by piece through ingame events, over the course of many months. That's some pretty elaborate and patient storytelling. I wonder if anything like this has happened in another MMO?
Also, what is this medium of storytelling called? It involves ingame media/game mechanics, community interaction, and finally regular text fiction. But also an out-of-game novel (Templar One) was involved as well. Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm....
You're trying to conquer me
You never will conquer me
-Delroy Wilson
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
33
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Posted - 2015.12.24 19:59:44 -
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xestria wrote:I am intrigued about the potential link between Curse and UUA-F4 region.
Sadly I think you will find the answer a little more mundane than you might have been hoping. From the chronicle we can assume
"the Second Empire discovered entryways into the Anoikis network in the vicinity of the Curse Region" which would suggest that indirectly UUA-F4 is linked through the wormhole gates, but aside from that there is nothing specific linking the regions. I think the Chronicle was more implying they managed to find the region UUA-F4 because it was in their "instinct", like birds migrating for example. Their ancestors found the region by using what would most likely be a similar talocan wormhole gate and the Stasis people, while exploring Anoikis, came across the region as an exit point of the artificial network.
That being said... It would imply there is something tasty for us to find in Curse? |
bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
M3 Industries
20
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Posted - 2015.12.25 02:10:22 -
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Roderick Raholan wrote:xestria wrote:I am intrigued about the potential link between Curse and UUA-F4 region.
Sadly I think you will find the answer a little more mundane than you might have been hoping. From the chronicle we can assume "the Second Empire discovered entryways into the Anoikis network in the vicinity of the Curse Region" which would suggest that indirectly UUA-F4 is linked through the wormhole gates, but aside from that there is nothing specific linking the regions. I think the Chronicle was more implying they managed to find the region UUA-F4 because it was in their "instinct", like birds migrating for example. Their ancestors found the region by using what would most likely be a similar talocan wormhole gate and the Stasis people, while exploring Anoikis, came across the region as an exit point of the artificial network. That being said... It would imply there is something tasty for us to find in Curse?
It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.
And can I here people's opinions on how it is "Artificial" is it matrix style or did the create a region of space ?
There's No Kill Like Overkill !
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4428
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Posted - 2015.12.25 09:36:37 -
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bardghost Isu wrote:(...)
And can I here people's opinions on how it is "Artificial" is it matrix style or did the create a region of space ?
Anoikis is artificial because the wormhole network was created by the Talocan. Anoikis is not a "pocket of systems accidentally linked by wormholes" but "an artificial grid of systems linked by man-made wormholes".
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4428
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Posted - 2015.12.25 09:42:08 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Pretty amazing how CCP's lore guys cooked up such a complicated plot, and let it unfold piece by piece through ingame events, over the course of many months. That's some pretty elaborate and patient storytelling. I wonder if anything like this has happened in another MMO?
Also, what is this medium of storytelling called? It involves ingame media/game mechanics, community interaction, and finally regular text fiction. But also an out-of-game novel (Templar One) was involved as well. Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm....
Time to remember that CCP Seagull won a Emmy for the game side of a mixed TV series-computer game production. 
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
33
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Posted - 2015.12.25 11:58:57 -
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bardghost Isu wrote:Roderick Raholan wrote:xestria wrote:I am intrigued about the potential link between Curse and UUA-F4 region.
Sadly I think you will find the answer a little more mundane than you might have been hoping. From the chronicle we can assume "the Second Empire discovered entryways into the Anoikis network in the vicinity of the Curse Region" which would suggest that indirectly UUA-F4 is linked through the wormhole gates, but aside from that there is nothing specific linking the regions. I think the Chronicle was more implying they managed to find the region UUA-F4 because it was in their "instinct", like birds migrating for example. Their ancestors found the region by using what would most likely be a similar talocan wormhole gate and the Stasis people, while exploring Anoikis, came across the region as an exit point of the artificial network. That being said... It would imply there is something tasty for us to find in Curse? It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell. And can I here people's opinions on how it is "Artificial" is it matrix style or did the create a region of space ?
I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick when it comes to the Stasis people, I'll give you some resources to go off.
The Stasis people were a faction of the Jovian Second Empire which chose to extensively make use of cryostasis and virtual environments. After the fall of the Second Empire the majority of the Stasis people's enclaves were simply missing which we now know are located in Anoikis.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=byVMAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=eve+stasis+faction+jovians&source=bl&ots=y1kNuIgCFk&sig=rPuMDC5qZ3u-EfvAh3ZA-cJu-Jw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib_puP-vbJAhXJhhoKHZjZDa0Q6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=eve%20stasis%20faction%20jovians&f=false |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1188
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Posted - 2015.12.25 12:15:57 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm....
In the mid-1980s scientific articles posited the emergence of AI as a lifeform that might flick us off it's shoulder like a flea, that immersion in computer generated environments would be so complete by the turn of the century that segments of the population would be detached from normal human life, that the convergence of massive advances in computer processing power, technological complexity and the complete mapping of the human genome would shake up life as we know it forever.
Since then we got cell phones, the internet and Dolly the sheep.
Watching Blade Runner in 2019 is going to be strange, as the main difference between it's debut and now is a generation who have had hardcore porn right there as they grew, and the straining asses of marketing psychos can now automatically connect through google to my home.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Shadowace Evi
CroGi
2
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Posted - 2015.12.25 14:16:31 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:(...)
And can I here people's opinions on how it is "Artificial" is it matrix style or did the create a region of space ? Anoikis is artificial because the wormhole network was created by the Talocan. Anoikis is not a "pocket of systems accidentally linked by wormholes" but "an artificial grid of systems linked by man-made wormholes".
This, it would be pretty silly of WH space was literately the matrix that had another matrix in it (aka sleepers) |
Orgah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2015.12.25 14:27:59 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm.... ...But we got Angry Birds, Candy Crush Saga and countless MOBAs instead.
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bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
M3 Industries
20
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Posted - 2015.12.26 12:23:31 -
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Shadowace Evi wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:(...)
And can I here people's opinions on how it is "Artificial" is it matrix style or did the create a region of space ? Anoikis is artificial because the wormhole network was created by the Talocan. Anoikis is not a "pocket of systems accidentally linked by wormholes" but "an artificial grid of systems linked by man-made wormholes". This, it would be pretty silly of WH space was literately the matrix that had another matrix in it (aka sleepers)
I know it would sound silly but the context I read it in was that of it being created to suit their needs not just one simply of being linked together but actual distortion of space time to create a pocket only they can access, until the isogen-5 event which screwed it all ip
There's No Kill Like Overkill !
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Cecil Montague
PCG Enterprises
79
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Posted - 2015.12.26 13:07:46 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:[quote=Khergit Deserters] ... that immersion in computer generated environments would be so complete by the turn of the century that segments of the population would be detached from normal human life...
Isn't that Twitter?
"There is no such thing as an effective segment of Totality" - Bruce Lee: The only man with a Chuck Norris killmail.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3723
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Posted - 2015.12.28 04:33:28 -
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There is also this;
GÇ£Yes, Archon. Therefore I took the risk, as did the adepts that volunteered to crew my ship. Tell me, do you know if any were captured?GÇ¥
GÇ£They all passed peacefully. I am sure all were well aware of what awaited them if captured alive. After all, they have only lost a little time, is that not so?GÇ¥
GÇ£Yes, Archon, all synchronized before we left on the mission.GÇ¥
Synchronized? Only lost a little time? That sounds like you can make a backup copy of your mind, and if you die without the flash brain reader be have in our pods, you still come back. In other words, we could die outside our pods and not lose the character. This opens up the ability to do things with our characters other than fly a ship.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2847
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Posted - 2015.12.28 04:40:39 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:There is also this;
GÇ£Yes, Archon. Therefore I took the risk, as did the adepts that volunteered to crew my ship. Tell me, do you know if any were captured?GÇ¥
GÇ£They all passed peacefully. I am sure all were well aware of what awaited them if captured alive. After all, they have only lost a little time, is that not so?GÇ¥
GÇ£Yes, Archon, all synchronized before we left on the mission.GÇ¥
Synchronized? Only lost a little time? That sounds like you can make a backup copy of your mind, and if you die without the flash brain reader be have in our pods, you still come back. In other words, we could die outside our pods and not lose the character. This opens up the ability to do things with our characters other than fly a ship.
'Soft cloning' has been an accepted thing for quite a while in the lore community. However it's not meant to be an easy or fast process to create one safely. You don't spend 2 minutes doing a back up, more like days from what decent information we have.
And in theory you would/should lose all skills gained in the mean time as well. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7232
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Posted - 2015.12.28 05:56:37 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Pretty amazing how CCP's lore guys cooked up such a complicated plot, and let it unfold piece by piece through ingame events, over the course of many months. That's some pretty elaborate and patient storytelling. I wonder if anything like this has happened in another MMO?
Also, what is this medium of storytelling called? It involves ingame media/game mechanics, community interaction, and finally regular text fiction. But also an out-of-game novel (Templar One) was involved as well. Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm....
CCP is sitting on a kind of "full spectrum" story engagement that I hope may become a model for how to "deliver" science fiction.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
475
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Posted - 2015.12.28 15:35:31 -
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It delivers.
All that talk about Talocan playing with the fabric of the universe makes me wonder about the Cord of the Elements region.
Quote:Winding through the Syndicate region is a natural phenomenon that has baffled scientists for centuries. The phenomenon, a super-dense dark cloud, bends time in such a way that all space-travel in or close to the phenomenon is impossible, or at least extremely hazardous. Most scientists believe that the Cord is the remnant of collision between two black holes millions of years ago that permanently 'scarred' space. Others believe the Cord to be the result of a science experiment, possibly conducted by alien life forms, that went seriously awry eons ago. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3723
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Posted - 2015.12.28 15:37:36 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:There is also this;
GÇ£Yes, Archon. Therefore I took the risk, as did the adepts that volunteered to crew my ship. Tell me, do you know if any were captured?GÇ¥
GÇ£They all passed peacefully. I am sure all were well aware of what awaited them if captured alive. After all, they have only lost a little time, is that not so?GÇ¥
GÇ£Yes, Archon, all synchronized before we left on the mission.GÇ¥
Synchronized? Only lost a little time? That sounds like you can make a backup copy of your mind, and if you die without the flash brain reader be have in our pods, you still come back. In other words, we could die outside our pods and not lose the character. This opens up the ability to do things with our characters other than fly a ship.
'Soft cloning' has been an accepted thing for quite a while in the lore community. However it's not meant to be an easy or fast process to create one safely. You don't spend 2 minutes doing a back up, more like days from what decent information we have. And in theory you would/should lose all skills gained in the mean time as well.
If ccp wanted to use soft cloning as a game mechanic, I'm they would introduce a "breakthrough" that spend it up. Or just say our implants make it faster than it is for a baseliner. As for losing skills: There is the basic Eve theme: Loss has meaning.
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Daerrol
Death By Design
Did he say Jump
284
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Posted - 2015.12.28 15:53:49 -
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Why do we need softcloning? We have a much better way to clone |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2015.12.29 00:09:14 -
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This has incredibly fascinating implications. Thank you for sharing it!
"Feed me MORE!!" |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1189
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Posted - 2015.12.29 04:53:04 -
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Kuronaga wrote:It delivers. All that talk about Talocan playing with the fabric of the universe makes me wonder about the Cord of the Elements region. Quote:Winding through the Syndicate region is a natural phenomenon that has baffled scientists for centuries. The phenomenon, a super-dense dark cloud, bends time in such a way that all space-travel in or close to the phenomenon is impossible, or at least extremely hazardous. Most scientists believe that the Cord is the remnant of collision between two black holes millions of years ago that permanently 'scarred' space. Others believe the Cord to be the result of a science experiment, possibly conducted by alien life forms, that went seriously awry eons ago.
Some region descriptions have inspired me to travel just to see things. I forget the name of the system, but a description once told me that a black hole was visible from there. So off i fly to see it.
When i got there, nothing special in the sky and troll fleet invites from the sort of low-sec fart-joke that discourages all hope.
Some really haunting stories in region descriptions.
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AOAm Adranas'Lira
Atreidun Order
0
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Posted - 2015.12.29 09:49:28 -
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Interesting material! |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28989
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Posted - 2015.12.29 11:40:21 -
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Today I will finally take some peacetime to read that damn chronicle so I can read this damn thread already!
This was a message to the OP.
Alex Grison > If there was a bipartisan bill supporting cannabis use for arthritic pain, it would be Joint support for Joint support for joint support
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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
477
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Posted - 2015.12.29 12:31:23 -
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Been thinking about this chronicle a bit and the reaction it received. In truth, the more I think about it the less impressed I am. This is purely from a writers point of view though.
In general, if you have to have a plot explained by a character you've kinda failed at storytelling. This chronicle was pretty much two dudes sitting down and having a conversation about all the stuff that happened which nobody ever bothered to SHOW through an actual story.
In that sense, I feel it is kind of lazy. Of course, the plot points themselves are excellent and the end scene is definitely solid enough. But 90% of this chronicle was backstory that could have been shown, and instead it was told. Show is always better than tell, and by that I mean building a narrative around characters and having them discover these things organically. In that sense this was kind of a failure, as Jovian dude just kinda sweeps in and is like "Hey brah, been out of things for 10 years so here's what happened."
Still, it takes more time and effort to show and I suppose they can only do so much with what is afforded to them. |
AOAm Adranas'Lira
Atreidun Order
0
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:16:27 -
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Just because the Jove are on the verge of extinction doesn't mean their assets will never be seen again or be 100% removed from the game. On the contrary, the loss of the final Third Empire Jove, when it does happen, means all those assets are in need of command from someone.
Supposing those assets don't all self destruct or remain eternally cloaked, an idea that goes against Jove dispersion of knowledge, they would logically be transfer to their most suitable heir: The SoCT. Even if the Jove in their prime were a 1/100th or 1/1000th the population of the other Empires they still had more than enough assets to keep capsuleers healthily populated with Jove ships. Perhaps a limited edition release from SoCT? Maybe hybrid ships? Who knows, but as I said, even if the Jove are most likely gone, they're tech. will almost certainly not be; it's just going to fall into others hands. Its just a matter of time.
"To that extent, the Jove are gone. But they did not leave without setting their affairs in order.GÇ¥
"It is quite simple. The Society of Conscious Thought have inherited the mantle of the Jovian Directorate.
GÇ£More than that, I am entrusting to you the legacy of my people. It will be difficult, be in no doubt. The Second Empire survivors are unpredictable as matters stand. A great amount of your work must be bent to managing the problem they raise. Then also, the capsuleers remain the great investment in the future that should be shepherded most carefully. You can do this more directly only if you have the power to do so. I intend to give you, and the Society, this power. Come.GÇ¥ |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29028
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Posted - 2015.12.29 14:25:38 -
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Okay.
I've read it.
I don't know what to say.
Is there any information actually exploitable/usable from the player's perspective ...
... or is it passive storytelling, degrading us to useless consumers? :P
Alex Grison > If there was a bipartisan bill supporting cannabis use for arthritic pain, it would be Joint support for Joint support for joint support
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7235
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Posted - 2015.12.29 16:09:22 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Today I will finally take some peacetime to read that damn chronicle so I can read this damn thread already!
This was a message to the OP.
You will not be disappointed. Probably one of the best chronicles since the ones heralding Apocrypha.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29072
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Posted - 2015.12.29 16:11:38 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Today I will finally take some peacetime to read that damn chronicle so I can read this damn thread already!
This was a message to the OP. You will not be disappointed. Probably one of the best chronicles since the ones heralding Apocrypha.
I really liked it and it's long enough that it contains an actual story that's interesting ...
... but I, as player, don't know what to do with it.
I'm feeling a bit lost and want to know. :)
Alex Grison > If there was a bipartisan bill supporting cannabis use for arthritic pain, it would be Joint support for Joint support for joint support
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7236
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Posted - 2015.12.29 16:30:06 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Today I will finally take some peacetime to read that damn chronicle so I can read this damn thread already!
This was a message to the OP. You will not be disappointed. Probably one of the best chronicles since the ones heralding Apocrypha. I really liked it and it's long enough that it contains an actual story that's interesting ... ... but I, as player, don't know what to do with it. I'm feeling a bit lost and want to know. :)
Indeed. I have similar feelings about it. If CCP gives away the entire lore store, we could run out of mystery. My only regret is that players don't get as much a chance to uncover "the truth" (to whatever extent) but that's an old problem anyway. They can't bet that the players will ever find it.
The exception is Hilen Tukoss' death and the recovery of his body by a player run expedition and the drama with the DED that followed.
And I also feel lost in regards to what gets done with this information. But then, I've been lost in this game for almost 10 years so there's nothing new there (and I would not have it any other way).
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
130
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Posted - 2015.12.29 17:36:36 -
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Trying to think of the impact this would have on players...
1) DED inner circle politics has been disrupted, which may lead to a difference in the way that DED (or at least the SOCT) deals with capsuleers
"Then also, the capsuleers remain the great investment in the future that should be shepherded most carefully. You can do this more directly only if you have the power to do so. I intend to give you, and the Society, this power."
It is that "shepherded" and "power to do so" that leads me to think things might be more active than merely passive observation.
2) Implication is that the Drifters are Second Empire Jove that have taken physical bodies again. How will they react to SOCT now that they are essentially the Jovian Directorate? They were already raiding Third Empire Jove installations. Perhaps time to keep an eye on N-K4Q0 constellation in Geminate.
3) " They built a stable network of wormhole connections among star systems that would not ordinarily or readily support such connections with each other. They altered the very fabric of space-time in the networkGÇÖs systems. They altered resonance points and so arranged matters so as to be able to move between the systems of the Anoikis network with the ease that you and I might move between rooms in a house."
This is not a description of the unstable wormholes we find today, as a result of the Isogen-5 incident. What the Talocan appeared to have created were stable wormholes, more akin to stargates, between Anoikis systems. Where are those now? The machinery should still be around unless the Stasis Faction destroyed them all. I have a gut feeling there is a link between the old Talocan tech and the envisioned ability of our being able to build our own stargates. That bit about our building stargates was still being shown as recently as EVE Vegas last month.
4) Veniel mentions that the Jove found Talocan wormholes from Curse to UUA-FA. In the years since the Isogen-5 incident, no capsuleer has found a way to Jove space, though Kuvakei seemed to. It would make sense that the Jove used their understanding of wormhole tech to suppress the Talocan wormhole network in their region, if nothing else as a measure of securing their borders. Or perhaps the Stasis Faction disabled/destroyed them to isolate themselves. Either way, I don't think we are going to find a way into Jove space.
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Husidh
The Polar Express
18
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Posted - 2015.12.30 06:40:46 -
[34] - Quote
as an 8 month old player with little undrstanding of lore, can you link somethigns that would hlep me out? What is the jove directorate? What is Anoikis? Caroline's Star? etc.? ELI5 basically. |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
292
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Posted - 2015.12.30 07:11:19 -
[35] - Quote
Husidh wrote:as an 8 month old player with little undrstanding of lore, can you link somethigns that would hlep me out? What is the jove directorate? What is Anoikis? Caroline's Star? etc.? ELI5 basically.
Lore Survival Guide
This should help you on your path to enlightenment young capsuleer
Oderint Dum Metuant
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29263
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Posted - 2015.12.30 13:04:29 -
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Irregessa wrote:
4) Veniel mentions that the Jove found Talocan wormholes from Curse to UUA-FA. In the years since the Isogen-5 incident, no capsuleer has found a way to Jove space, though Kuvakei seemed to. It would make sense that the Jove used their understanding of wormhole tech to suppress the Talocan wormhole network in their region, if nothing else as a measure of securing their borders. Or perhaps the Stasis Faction disabled/destroyed them to isolate themselves. Either way, I don't think we are going to find a way into Jove space.
Is there any evidence that enough people tried to rule out the possibility?
When did they try, where did they try, when was the last time someone tried?
Hm...
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
40
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:21:10 -
[37] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Irregessa wrote:
4) Veniel mentions that the Jove found Talocan wormholes from Curse to UUA-FA. In the years since the Isogen-5 incident, no capsuleer has found a way to Jove space, though Kuvakei seemed to. It would make sense that the Jove used their understanding of wormhole tech to suppress the Talocan wormhole network in their region, if nothing else as a measure of securing their borders. Or perhaps the Stasis Faction disabled/destroyed them to isolate themselves. Either way, I don't think we are going to find a way into Jove space.
Is there any evidence that enough people tried to rule out the possibility? When did they try, where did they try, when was the last time someone tried? Hm...
Took a little break from the forums over the past few days since a certain game *cough fallout cough* was release and I'm really quite surprised that this thread is still active, glad to see so many are interested in discussing the implications of this new chronicle. Might I add Solecist, I'm glad you've returned and since I appear to have done the same I'll try and assist where I can with the discussion.
From my understand of the Chronicle and the games lore their is no specific connection between the region and Curse, it is simply that Veniel toys with the idea that it is within curse that the Jovian Second Empire first stumbled upon an entrance to the wormhole network. So the only specific connection is that it would appear that in both regions exist one of these gates and it is possible that they could be found, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did Dr.Bork or one of his associates from the Intergalactic Summit would have already found it and would be trying to get as much attention as possible *chuckle*. That being said I haven't had a good expedition in awhile...
Nothing in the chronicle suggests that the Jovian's made any attempt to "suppress" the Talocan network, now what it does suggest is that Kuvakei discovered away to generate a unstable wormhole, which I did forget to mention... Is bloody possible on a ship! I mean how crazy is that right? I mean I know its Jovian, but still, just think about the implications of such technology. People have always wanted to get to Jovian space, remember their is nothing actually interesting their from an in game perspective so I think if we ever do gain access or maybe if it was possible to mount an expedition CCP would have a hell of a lot of work to do.
Hope that helps clear things up a bit, but Solecist please specify what you mean by try? If you mean reach Jovian space, people try all the time. A rumor popped up a month or so ago that someone had a new method and was paying for help, never did hear back from it, most likely an exploit like the legendary medical clones and the system grid flying, but I think really believe the grid travelling stuff just due to the sheer time that would be involved, if it was done on a distance basis it would take a longer than the game had been in existence, but if rather, when the area for one system ends a new one begins which is far more likely it might have been possible. I really don't know. That's the issue with EVE when it comes to lore and people roleplaying, its really quite difficult when these events occurred in many occasions over a decade ago to actually work out whats what. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29295
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:26:45 -
[38] - Quote
Sheesh, I've actually read that! :)
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
42
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:42:18 -
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Solecist I'm very proud of you!
Kuronaga wrote:Been thinking about this chronicle a bit and the reaction it received. In truth, the more I think about it the less impressed I am. This is purely from a writers point of view though.
In general, if you have to have a plot explained by a character you've kinda failed at storytelling. This chronicle was pretty much two dudes sitting down and having a conversation about all the stuff that happened which nobody ever bothered to SHOW through an actual story.
In that sense, I feel it is kind of lazy. Of course, the plot points themselves are excellent and the end scene is definitely solid enough. But 90% of this chronicle was backstory that could have been shown, and instead it was told. Show is always better than tell, and by that I mean building a narrative around characters and having them discover these things organically. In that sense this was kind of a failure, as Jovian dude just kinda sweeps in and is like "Hey brah, we've been out of things for 10 years so here's what happened."
Still, it takes more time and effort to show and I suppose they can only do so much with what is afforded to them. But I can only imagine my former professor giving this a C+ or maybe B- because it finished strong.
I think you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. We've been shown this "stuff" by CCP for over five years since the events which lead to the introduction of wormhole space, even further if you take into account its inclusion of Veniel. The story you're referring to is the story of EVE Online, a story that though constructed by CCP, has been tailored by the players of EVE over the years. The Chronicle is the icing on the cake, its years of complex plot points and events all tied together through a complex dialogue between two very important characters, from a lore perspective. Its meant to cover the back story as many players weren't around to actually be apart of it themselves and hands up all of you who joined the game and instantly read all of the chronicles? I've hardly read any of them. We've been living this story, I think that's them showing it enough don't you? We're not critiquing this as writing alone. |
Solecist Project
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Gallente Federation
29295
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:45:25 -
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You asked me about the trying.
You say people try all the time.
That's great, however while everyone can learn to play chess ...
... it doesn't mean everyone's smart enough to grasp advanced strategies.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
43
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:51:57 -
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Solecist Project wrote:You asked me about the trying.
You say people try all the time.
That's great, however while everyone can learn to play chess ...
... it doesn't mean everyone's smart enough to grasp advanced strategies.
True, however may I point out again, we have no reason to believe that their is things within the game at this point in time that no one has discovered or that anything actually exists within Jovian space. Its basically just a dev playground where things are tested on the main server and the AT is held. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29300
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:07:05 -
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Roderick Raholan wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You asked me about the trying.
You say people try all the time.
That's great, however while everyone can learn to play chess ...
... it doesn't mean everyone's smart enough to grasp advanced strategies. True, however may I point out again, we have no reason to believe that their is things within the game at this point in time that no one has discovered or that anything actually exists within Jovian space. Its basically just a dev playground where things are tested on the main server and the AT is held.
Devs themselves said there's still things people haven't figured/found out.
One of them, at least, was connected to the drifters.
We need a fleet of 100 pilots using Command Destroyers to create the biggest ...
... longest ...
... farthest reaching ...
... even-bigger-than-your-mom jump-chain ever! :O
I strongly doubt there aren't ways to beat the system ......
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
1715
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:15:39 -
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Roderick Raholan wrote:
- "Anoikis is artificial.GÇ¥
I think Talocans were so advanced that we will never meet them again. After all everything what they left seems to be discarded by them like a pair of socks with holes.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
43
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:19:03 -
[44] - Quote
Husidh wrote:as an 8 month old player with little undrstanding of lore, can you link somethigns that would hlep me out? What is the jove directorate? What is Anoikis? Caroline's Star? etc.? ELI5 basically.
If you still require help, I know this games lore can be a bit of a minefield to traverse, feel free to hit me up in game and I'll do all I can to get you more involved and put you in touch with certain contacts and channels which can assist you on your journey.
Solecist Project wrote: Devs themselves said there's still things people haven't figured/found out.
One of them, at least, was connected to the drifters.
We need a fleet of 100 pilots using Command Destroyers to create the biggest ...
... longest ...
... farthest reaching ...
... even-bigger-than-your-mom jump-chain ever! :O
I strongly doubt there aren't ways to beat the system ......
Frankly I thought we had found what the devs were referring to, you wouldn't happen to have a linky link of linkness for me?
Though if you're honest interested in taking some time from the forums and having a poke around curse for example I would be happy to join you, I'm in the need of a good expedition *smiles*. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
480
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:22:23 -
[45] - Quote
bardghost Isu wrote:
It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.
I assumed it was a typo or other way of referring to the Statics branch of the Jove:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Statics |
Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
43
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:29:16 -
[46] - Quote
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:
It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.
I assumed it was a typo or other way of referring to the Statics branch of the Jove: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Statics
You might want to read to Chronicle *wink*, its mentioned a total of nine times. The Stasis people made In fact the link you provided under section 2.3 covers the Stasis people. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
480
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:36:34 -
[47] - Quote
Roderick Raholan wrote:Utremi Fasolasi wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:
It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.
I assumed it was a typo or other way of referring to the Statics branch of the Jove: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Statics You might want to read to Chronicle *wink*, its mentioned a total of nine times. The Stasis people made In fact the link you provided under section 2.3 covers the Stasis people.
Right, I was saying I assumed it was a typo in the Chronicle or another way of referring to Statics in the Chronicle, then I scrolled down in what I had linked, and made an edit before I saw your post just now.
This group is interesting to go back to and read about too, it reminds me of the Drifters a bit:
"Unsullied
The Unsullied are the group of Jovians that have rejected further generic experiments and instead adopt conventional methods to deal with sickness and old age. Genetic engineering has through the centuries transformed Jovian society in every aspect imaginable. Many Jovians, denoted as Unsullied, believe that enough has been done. They are advocates of cyber-implants and want to use machines instead of genes in the search for better life." |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29315
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:40:12 -
[48] - Quote
Roderick Raholan wrote:Husidh wrote:as an 8 month old player with little undrstanding of lore, can you link somethigns that would hlep me out? What is the jove directorate? What is Anoikis? Caroline's Star? etc.? ELI5 basically. If you still require help, I know this games lore can be a bit of a minefield to traverse, feel free to hit me up in game and I'll do all I can to get you more involved and put you in touch with certain contacts and channels which can assist you on your journey. Solecist Project wrote: Devs themselves said there's still things people haven't figured/found out.
One of them, at least, was connected to the drifters.
We need a fleet of 100 pilots using Command Destroyers to create the biggest ...
... longest ...
... farthest reaching ...
... even-bigger-than-your-mom jump-chain ever! :O
I strongly doubt there aren't ways to beat the system ...... Frankly I thought we had found what the devs were referring to, you wouldn't happen to have a linky link of linkness for me? Though if you're honest interested in taking some time from the forums and having a poke around curse for example I would be happy to join you, I'm in the need of a good expedition *smiles*.
I'm not sure what you want me to link?
I don't recall where I have that from.
I can be happy to remember which threads I need to check for follow-up posts...
Curse.
Ha, I'm absolutely clueless ...
... but I'd love taking my shoe for a spin!
Btw ... has anyone ever found out which modules affect wormholes?
Sooo... a date in, say 15min? I'm in jita ... hmmm tight pants or skirt?
Sheesh all my clothes' in hek. Pfff.
;)
2100 eveTime?
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
1990
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:54:44 -
[49] - Quote
It is kinda sad that all the stuff thy built up over the years with hints here and there ingame and in fiction was just revealed in one go by some jovian guy. Why not let it be discovered ingame by the people who enjoy this kind of things...
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
480
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:57:05 -
[50] - Quote
Roderick Raholan wrote:
Frankly I thought we had found what the devs were referring to, you wouldn't happen to have a linky link of linkness for me?
Though if you're honest interested in taking some time from the forums and having a poke around curse for example I would be happy to join you, I'm in the need of a good expedition *smiles*.
In the lore around the Angel Cartel, remember their headquarters is in Curse they are assumed to have looted any Jovian archeological remains from the previous empire there for their own purposes. The Machariel and Daredevil and Dramiel are all said to be based on old Jovian designs. |
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The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.30 21:15:01 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:It is kinda sad that all the stuff thy built up over the years with hints here and there ingame and in fiction was just revealed in one go by some jovian guy. Why not let it be discovered ingame by the people who enjoy this kind of things... As I said above, there's still things undiscovered.
I'm sure the problem here is the players more than CCP...
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
251
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Posted - 2015.12.30 23:21:21 -
[52] - Quote
I wonder if The Orphyx Program is part of the Drifters or Sleepers.
No one has ever found the program and it is still loose. I would hate to say what would happen if The Orphyx Program got into Drifter or Sleeper Space let alone Rogue Drone Space.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Orphyx_Program |
permion
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
30
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Posted - 2015.12.31 01:02:29 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Been thinking about this chronicle a bit and the reaction it received. In truth, the more I think about it the less impressed I am. This is purely from a writers point of view though.
In general, if you have to have a plot explained by a character you've kinda failed at storytelling. This chronicle was pretty much two dudes sitting down and having a conversation about all the stuff that happened which nobody ever bothered to SHOW through an actual story.
In that sense, I feel it is kind of lazy. Of course, the plot points themselves are excellent and the end scene is definitely solid enough. But 90% of this chronicle was backstory that could have been shown, and instead it was told. Show is always better than tell, and by that I mean building a narrative around characters and having them discover these things organically. In that sense this was kind of a failure, as Jovian dude just kinda sweeps in and is like "Hey brah, we've been out of things for 10 years so here's what happened."
Still, it takes more time and effort to show and I suppose they can only do so much with what is afforded to them. But I can only imagine my former professor giving this a C+ or maybe B- because it finished strong.
The problem with the EvE medium is that it has happened across so A LOT of mediums. There are 3 Novels, short stories on the main website, Some comics, SUPER cryptic hints in games, hints "blatently" told to you in game(site warp, show info's, agent interaction), in game events(both live and automated), player actions that have become canon, Purposeful GM leaks(reddit, chat, and similar).
Since most people aren't In all places, they needed to "break open" the story in one place.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2871
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Posted - 2015.12.31 01:39:41 -
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permion wrote:
The problem with the EvE medium is that it has happened across so A LOT of mediums. There are 3 Novels, short stories on the main website, Some comics, SUPER cryptic hints in games, hints "blatently" told to you in game(site warp, show info's, agent interaction), in game events(both live and automated), player actions that have become canon, Purposeful GM leaks(reddit, chat, and similar).
Since most people aren't In all places, they needed to "break open" the story in one place.
Also some stuff has been taken as canon when it's actually not, just to even further confuse the issue, and some players deliberately present fan fiction as canon also.
So yea, that Chron was great, still left a lot of other questions, but actually gave us as players a better picture of what's been happening so that we can actually respond appropriately. |
Sim Cognito
Operation Valkyr
The Gurlstas Associates
13
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Absolutely amazing chronicle. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, my eyes gleaming over what was happening. Just the EVE lore-shock I neede to get back into the EVE Universe.
Quote:This is not merely stellar engineering. This is engineering the topology of space and time so as to serve a civilization. This was nothing less than an attempt to focus the telos of the universe itself on their existence and needs. Astounding arrogance. A hubris the like of which casts we Jove into the role of humble mendicants to the impassive stars. We should be thankful that the Talocan, while leaving their traces behind them, are no longer present in New Eden or Anoikis.
This is one of my favorite parts. Well done CCP Delegate Zero, and CCP in general. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2015.12.31 17:39:32 -
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Some would say this is like cutting the story short, but introducing something line this is all we need to start the next chapter. All we need is Talocans stuff to throw a major curve to the story, the outcomes of this epic. |
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.01 10:41:22 -
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Men!
First he talks a lot and then he just vanishes.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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LuisWu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2016.01.01 18:15:00 -
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The lore needs this kind of chronicles more often in my opinion. It's not a good thing when every conversation about the lore starts with something in the line of "let's put our tinfoil hats for a moment, what if (insert crazy jovian/sleeper theory here)?" and is refuted by other in the line of "yeah but we don't know so maybe (insert another completely opposed yet crazy jovian /sleeper theory here)"
In order to theorise we need some reliable data like the ones provided in this chronicle.
And less almost omnipotent entites, also solved in this chronicle.
F*** This Game
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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
45
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Posted - 2016.01.02 12:09:41 -
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LuisWu wrote:The lore needs this kind of chronicles more often in my opinion. It's not a good thing when every conversation about the lore starts with something in the line of "let's put our tinfoil hats for a moment, what if (insert crazy jovian/sleeper theory here)?" and is refuted by other in the line of "yeah but we don't know so maybe (insert another completely opposed yet crazy jovian /sleeper theory here)"
In order to theorise we need some reliable data like the ones provided in this chronicle.
And less almost omnipotent entites, also solved in this chronicle.
To be fair basically everything mentioned within this Chronicle aside from the end scene and some stuff with Veniel was already known knowledge, its just no one had effectively plotted the points together. We had already identified it was the awakening of the second empire, that it was the star which caused the gates to offline and such. I don't think CCP could have really given us much more data without making it Science Lab online or something of the like. You have to tread carefully along the line of when is discovering lore fun or work. Few people, even within the role playing community actually have the scientific knowledge to understand some of the things CCP implements. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2016.01.02 12:11:33 -
[60] - Quote
Roderick Raholan wrote:LuisWu wrote:The lore needs this kind of chronicles more often in my opinion. It's not a good thing when every conversation about the lore starts with something in the line of "let's put our tinfoil hats for a moment, what if (insert crazy jovian/sleeper theory here)?" and is refuted by other in the line of "yeah but we don't know so maybe (insert another completely opposed yet crazy jovian /sleeper theory here)"
In order to theorise we need some reliable data like the ones provided in this chronicle.
And less almost omnipotent entites, also solved in this chronicle. To be fair basically everything mentioned within this Chronicle aside from the end scene and some stuff with Veniel was already known knowledge, its just no one had effectively plotted the points together. We had already identified it was the awakening of the second empire, that it was the star which caused the gates to offline and such. I don't think CCP could have really given us much more data without making it Science Lab online or something of the like. You have to tread carefully along the line of when is discovering lore fun or work. Few people, even within the role playing community actually have the scientific knowledge to understand some of the things CCP implements.
It was mostly unconfirmed though highly probable, until this. |
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Posted - 2016.01.08 01:11:39 -
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Considering that there's an upcoming event related to the lore ...
... I feel free to bump this thread. :P
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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Pryce Caesar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.08 06:01:39 -
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Kuronaga wrote:It delivers. All that talk about Talocan playing with the fabric of the universe makes me wonder about the Cord of the Elements region. Quote:Winding through the Syndicate region is a natural phenomenon that has baffled scientists for centuries. The phenomenon, a super-dense dark cloud, bends time in such a way that all space-travel in or close to the phenomenon is impossible, or at least extremely hazardous. Most scientists believe that the Cord is the remnant of collision between two black holes millions of years ago that permanently 'scarred' space. Others believe the Cord to be the result of a science experiment, possibly conducted by alien life forms, that went seriously awry eons ago.
So are you suggesting that the Cord of the Elements was a project established by the Talocan?
Colour me curious, since I'm now starting to develop the idea that the Talocan may have hidden themselves within the Cord of Elements. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2016.01.08 07:24:27 -
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By chance I wonder if the ending scene could be been the Fifth Calamity:The fifth calamity is described as GÇ£the little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcomeGÇ¥. This event has yet to take place.
I doubt it, but it does fit the bill. |
Solecist Project
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.08 10:40:05 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:By chance I wonder if the ending scene could be been the Fifth Calamity:The fifth calamity is described as GÇ£the little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcomeGÇ¥. This event has yet to take place.
I doubt it, but it does fit the bill. I have no idea what you are saying.
Can you elaborate on that?
Another event is definitely coming! ^_^
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2016.01.08 11:04:24 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:By chance I wonder if the ending scene could be been the Fifth Calamity:The fifth calamity is described as GÇ£the little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcomeGÇ¥. This event has yet to take place.
I doubt it, but it does fit the bill. I have no idea what you are saying. Can you elaborate on that? Another event is definitely coming! ^_^
"The Seven Events of the Apocalypse is a book written approximately a century ago by Damella Macaper." |
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Posted - 2016.01.08 11:37:31 -
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https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Prophecy_of_Macaper_(Chronicle)
Gotta read this now and hope my brain bootsup. ^_^
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.08 11:44:18 -
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Great. I read the chronicle ...
... click the link to the book of prophecies ...
... and 90% are the same text. -.-
And no mentioning of the other events...
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
|
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
70
|
Posted - 2016.01.08 12:49:21 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Great. I read the chronicle ...
... click the link to the book of prophecies ...
... and 90% are the same text. -.-
And no mentioning of the other events...
The events are pretty loosely designated and purposefully vague. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
70
|
Posted - 2016.01.08 12:50:16 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Great. I read the chronicle ...
... click the link to the book of prophecies ...
... and 90% are the same text. -.-
And no mentioning of the other events... The events are pretty loosely designated and purposefully vague.
Who knows. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.08 12:51:50 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Great. I read the chronicle ...
... click the link to the book of prophecies ...
... and 90% are the same text. -.-
And no mentioning of the other events... The events are pretty loosely designated and purposefully vague.
This is literally the number one thing everyone says about literally any and all prophecies ...
... and I reject it, bevause it conditioned people to stop thinking.
It discourages discussion and analysis, which is bad.
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
30951
|
Posted - 2016.01.08 12:52:42 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Great. I read the chronicle ...
... click the link to the book of prophecies ...
... and 90% are the same text. -.-
And no mentioning of the other events... The events are pretty loosely designated and purposefully vague. Who knows.
Wrong alt? Confusing...
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
|
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.01.21 10:42:30 -
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Hmm, I have seen wormholes acting strangely lately, some of them leading to random system and not the one from which you came. Maybe Drifters are starting to manipulate Anoikis (their current "home") to their advantage?
Because when you are not sure you will come out safely out thru the same route, you will think two times...
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
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Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2016.01.21 15:57:17 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote: Back in the early 2000s, game design theorists were saying that games would become a new medium for art and storytelling, the way cinema did in the 20th century. Hmm.... In the mid-1980s scientific articles posited the emergence of AI as a lifeform that might flick us off it's shoulder like a flea, that immersion in computer generated environments would be so complete by the turn of the century that segments of the population would be detached from normal human life, that the convergence of massive advances in computer processing power, technological complexity and the complete mapping of the human genome would shake up life as we know it forever. Since then we got cell phones, the internet and Dolly the sheep.
MMOs don't seem too far from "immersion in computer generated environments" ... even if the effects of this on normal human life may be a bit more subtle than "lol, everyone who plays MMOs is dyingof starvation because they forget to stop playing for long enough to eat."
Also, you're pretty nuts if you think that life today isn't shaken up forever as compared to 30 years ago. |
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