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Badger
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Posted - 2003.12.05 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: Badger on 05/12/2003 07:01:44
Israeli Defense Force corp has been told by CCP that they have to change their name. This after the corp has been in existance for a little over 4 months??
Yet its ok to have The British Space Corps (name used as an example)? or any one of a number of countries, companies, or what not having EVE corporations naming themselves after them.
Now I am concerned that maybe my corps name could be considered satanical and ...
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Badger
Admiral of Ethics
Hadean Drive Yards
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2003.12.05 07:17:00 -
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It is strange, but I think what happened is that someone saw postings by one of their corp members, and saw a way to cause a ruckus. In space, you would probably never see the name of their corp, or give it a second notice.
But in the forums, your name and corp can be recognized by your postings, so be careful on who you get riled up. 
You are correct though, if a corp can have a name for 4 months, then have to change now because of someone tattle-tailing, then every player and corp is a possible target.
I even saw a post, where I may not have ever noticed until it was pointed out, that some player has a name like: Sukkannuh Bahlsacht (or something like that).
People can be ingenious with their names and this was definitely creative. Why someone finds that IDF is offensive or somehow wrong to have as a corp name, I don't know. Do they not like the word Israeli, or Defense, or the word Force in the corp name? Would the person who has a problem with it be ok with Middle Eastern Protective Group? 
BTW Badger, I won't tell or get upset with your name. You are using the word Yards in your name and I find it offensive. You should have to change your name to Hadean Drive 3 Feets, but I will just let it go. 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.12.05 07:36:00 -
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CCP started it by including "of French origin" in the gallente description...If they hadn't they could have just simply banned any Earth references in corp and player names. WOuld've made things much easier.
As is I think you will find a distinction between BSC as having no identiy attached to it in terms of an organisation, otherwise lets just get al queda corp back on the books.
Bottom line is that for any chance of everyone to believe this is deliberatly discriminatory we all hav to subscribe to a combined CCp and GM team methodical anti-semitic stance/operation.
And that, frankly, is farce.
Let it lie.
I've no interest in seeing the ***, Sinn Fein, IDF, al queda, PLO, or any other name chosen either deliberatley to draw ire and comment or innocently (like yeah - they are all making a statemnt) - none are especially suitable or relevant and all indicate a succinct and direct notional statement... because they are organisations.
Sorry but this dog wnt run imo and trying to make a big deal out of a simple and inconsequential matter is simply playing for attention and wasting the DEVs/GMs time.
How many more IDF threads must we have?
Its an organisation, grasp the difference and please lets all move on.
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T'Rana
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Posted - 2003.12.05 14:18:00 -
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There is quite a big thread in EVE-I about this.
http://www.eve-i.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=eve1&Number=57102&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.12.05 14:21:00 -
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I think due to the current political situation in palestine and israel, this is a good call.
I find the name offensive.
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PERCYDAMAN
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Posted - 2003.12.05 14:24:00 -
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I think due to the current political situation in palestine and israel, this is a good call.
I find the name offensive.
Sorry, I disagree... This is just more political correctness run amok.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.12.05 14:29:00 -
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RL politics and religion discussions do not sit well in Eve. Lock please.
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Beeny
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Posted - 2003.12.05 14:35:00 -
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I think CCP were quite right.
I don't think any real world organisations, current or historical, should be allowed in a virtual world. Personally I don't really care what you choose to call yourself or your corp, but many of these real world groups do cause offense to various other groups, and since we are all here to have fun and escape real life for a while so why add the aggravation of being offended. Now you can argue that it's all about Freedom of Speech, or civil liberties all you want, but how to be fair? Easy, make it policy to have only fictional names with no real world reference. I'm a brit by nationality, and I can imagine some folks being offended if I called my corp "The British Empire", so why do it. People only do it to cause offense to others and are only really showing their own stupidity and ignorance. As for Gallente - French thing, they may have French origins but are now about as french as my big toe. So to have a corp called the FDF(French Defence Force) for example would be daft as I have yet to find the location,planet,faction,city,... called France.
So what are you exactly defending???
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Oosel
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Posted - 2003.12.05 14:38:00 -
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i myself had to lose the name ****holio after having it all through beta and 2 months in retail i asked to use cornholio but was told that wasnt allowed either as somebody complained......i now see names far worse than mine currently in game but hey whats in a name it doesnt stop you enjoying the game.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.12.05 14:42:00 -
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For all you hypersensative aholes out there...
/bonk /bonk /bonk /bonk /bonk /bonk /bonk
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Beeny
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Posted - 2003.12.05 14:48:00 -
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RL politics and religion discussions do not sit well in Eve. Lock please.
This isn't about specific RL politics or religions, it's about a few muppets out to deliberately cause offense to another group of players. Something we can all well do without. I think this discussion should continue as long as it does not include RL facets. Maybe some good policy can come out of it.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.05 14:55:00 -
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I tend to agree that names with real-world geography significance shouldn't be allowed for the sake of suspension of disbelief: it just doesn't help to see "British Space Corps" swanning around when nobody's been in touch with Britain for at least the last fourteen thousand years. Ditto Israeli Defence Force.
I can *just about* make out a case whereby Israeli Defence Force could be considered offensive where British Space Corps would not, but it's an extremely tenuous case - I don't believe it myself, for starters.
More likely is that someone's complained about IDF, but nobody's yet complained about BSC. Given the current state of world politics, anything to do with Israel, pro- or anti-, is more likely to arouse complaint than anything to do with Britain. NOT, I hasten to add, more justified; just more likely.
I'm pretty sure CCP do not have anyone routinely checking all corp names to make sure they're acceptable - I've twice petitioned about offensive once and been thanked for pointing them out.
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Posted - 2003.12.05 15:05:00 -
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I think CCP were quite right.
I don't think any real world organisations, current or historical, should be allowed in a virtual world. Personally I don't really care what you choose to call yourself or your corp, but many of these real world groups do cause offense to various other groups, and since we are all here to have fun and escape real life for a while so why add the aggravation of being offended. Now you can argue that it's all about Freedom of Speech, or civil liberties all you want, but how to be fair? Easy, make it policy to have only fictional names with no real world reference. I'm a brit by nationality, and I can imagine some folks being offended if I called my corp "The British Empire", so why do it. People only do it to cause offense to others and are only really showing their own stupidity and ignorance. As for Gallente - French thing, they may have French origins but are now about as french as my big toe. So to have a corp called the FDF(French Defence Force) for example would be daft as I have yet to find the location,planet,faction,city,... called France.
So what are you exactly defending???
complete noncense.. Someone can find the MI5 or KGB facinating and is using their ideology and strategies ingame to get succes in the game or simply by facination or even a small aspect as humor.
I bet if i would call my corporation NASA, noone would object against it. And if i would call it Seal or SWAT noone would petition it.
The issue in Israel is overrated, its not like the guy named his corporation Arabic suicide squad or something. He called his corporation an official and international aknowledged organisation, and the ingame corp exists for over 4 MONTHS!!!!
Like.. common 
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.12.05 15:51:00 -
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Yea i bet CCP are all ****s and are making plans to destroy the jewish race and take over europe as we speak. I think someone should call the united nations or something. This is clearly discrimination. If the corp was called Iraqi Defence Force, i dont think the same thing would happen. I bet CCP would give them a miner3 bp and 1billion isk, because CCP are obviously DISCRIMINATING little ****s that hate israel and its residents. Omg the horror, the horror. *yawn*
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SkyQuake
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:03:00 -
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Call yourself IDF - plain and simple. Nothing offensive about that.
British Space consortium need to change their name to though (Blair - Fox-hunting - They attacked my country in 1840-70 something) - if Isralei defence force have to!
Well my point is, if CCP goes through with this, they have to do it with all the corps who use IRL country names. There can be no difference.
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Amin
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:05:00 -
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The issue in Israel is overrated, its not like the guy named his corporation Arabic suicide squad or something. He called his corporation an official and international aknowledged organisation, and the ingame corp exists for over 4 MONTHS!!!!
Its not discrimination, the Palestinian- Israeli issue brings up very strong feelings from people all over the world. And most of us play games to get away from rl issues.
Similarly, had i named a corp Palestinain Liberation Army, i would expect mass protest and expect it to be changed by GM's.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:39:00 -
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Corps named after food never offend anyone!
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Hakera
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 05/12/2003 16:43:32
I hate pie (the food - not the corp)!
but I like pizza 
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Luxer
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:44:00 -
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Mmmmmmm. Pie.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 05/12/2003 16:50:26
The mentioned corp named sucked.
I would have banned it because of lack of imagination.
However, any individual taking offence because of it is pretty weak of mind. The offensive nature lies only in the offended persons mind, drawing far fetched conclusions and mixing in reallife events.
Why isn't "Carebears on Weed" changed?
Clearly a refference to drugs.
What about "Playboy Corp"?
That is pretty offensive. Referring to naked women, sex, and a general low attitude towards women
Why isn't "Jade Constantine" names change?
95% of the EVE population gets an upset stomach thinking of her
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Hakera
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:48:00 -
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hey lets take this totally out of proportion (this debate is already!) and just rename everyone to Eve member # and every corp to Eve Corp #
"Mountain out of molehill anyone!?"
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:51:00 -
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Great idea!!!
I'll be: Player#666
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Guiermes
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Posted - 2003.12.05 16:58:00 -
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Lock this thread before it degenerates into a flamefest. IDF Ceo has already started one at eve-i and its become a **** contest. And for the record, count me as one who finds it offensive.
Leave real-life in real-life , it's a game ffs there is absolutely no reason to bring real life hatred, animosity and politics into eve. Some people, like me, want to take a break from the real world when we login.
Lock and shut this sucker down.
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:00:00 -
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I normally don't surf the general discussion forum, and I was quite blown away that there was this level of support for the IDF.
Thanks, guys.
I have argued this to several GMs, Pann, and anyone else who will listen to me.
The bottom line is that the IDF is considered unacceptable for EVE, as is any name with "Israel" in it, because "Israel" is considered a reference to RL politics.
"british space corps" is considered ok, because its not a refernece to RL politics.
At least that's what the arguement is as best as I can understand it.
I feel there is something wrong when the IDF is banned, but (and this is just a short list -
Swedish Mining Corporation,
Swedish *
Swedish * (times 50)
Vikings * (times 50)
Playboy
Microsoft
RUS
S.A.S.
Miners Union * * (A good number of these too - falls under politics)
Are allowed.
I could accept that the IDF is "too hot to handle", but I take incredible offense that British Space Corporation is allowed, but Israeli Space Corporation is not.
But, CCP Customer Service has spoken, and there is nothing else I can do.
I doubt a massive player campaign would do anything at this point, since its a "dig in heels" issue.
Therefor, I can only say I'll get over it, and find a new game to play.
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
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Guiermes
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:03:00 -
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Great then you can stop trolling for sympathy. Either change the name and play the game. or move on, as you said
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:04:00 -
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I didn't start the thread, or post it in intill it was two pages long.
Go scream at someone for daring to post about it.
I don't even KNOW that guy.
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
Israeli Defense Forces
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Guiermes
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Guiermes on 05/12/2003 17:13:56
Grow a thicker skin and move on. You know full well that starting or entering this thread was only going to help it along into degenerating into a **** fest, just like the one at eve-i.
I'm just at a loss to see why after that one has gone so badly that you folks have decided to open the same can of worms here. CCP is final say if you dont like it , then cancel and find another game. There is absolutely no one forcing you to pay and play for this one.
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:16:00 -
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That's exactly what I intend to do.
However, someone I've never spoken to in game stook up for me.
I appricate that, and said so, along with what will likely be my final word on the issue.
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
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Guiermes
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:21:00 -
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I appricate that, and said so, along with what will likely be my final word on the issue.
I honestly hope so. I would have thought the eve-i forum thread would have been enough. There is enough negativity on these boards without adding to it.
Hopefully you will be able to find yourself another mmog to login to. Do yourself a favor and read the EULA on that one before clicking yes, it will save you alot of time.
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:24:00 -
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I have had the IDF as my org name on every single MMOPG that was sci-fi based I have ever played.
And I have played them all.
Its never been a problem. So, I do read the EULA. If you want rote reading of the EULA, Playboy and Microsoft corps violate the "No Copyrighted Names" part.
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
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