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Guiermes
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Guiermes on 05/12/2003 17:27:00
CCP has final say . What part of that don't you understand . It's been 2 to 3 weeks of this BS move on or go away.
Sitting there moaning about it and ****ing people off isn't going to do you any favors.
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:26:00 -
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2 to 3 weeks?!
Man. :)
More like 2 to 3 days.
No, 4 days actually.
Cause 4 days ago the name was changed.
Yoseph Cohen
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Guiermes
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:30:00 -
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Would you like a cookie? Will that make it all better? I'll send you one.
By the way i thought it was your final say on the matter etc....
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Yoseph Cohen on 05/12/2003 17:32:03
Sorry, your corp name was effecting me. :)
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
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Guiermes
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:38:00 -
[35]
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Edited by: Yoseph Cohen on 05/12/2003 17:32:03
Sorry, your corp name was effecting me. :)
Nothing like it. Best damn fun i've had ingame since i started. With more to come.
Here's my final word on the matter because its getting seriously tedious. CCP is GOD whatever they say goes if you don't like it, hey you can always get together and build another wall or barrier. Whatever the real IDF chooses to call it lately.
Just make sure to build a really big long lasting one so that people in the future can see the sheer stupidity of man and his hatred towards another. Have a nice day.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:52:00 -
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The corporation is named after a real world organization that carries heavy political, religious and nationalist connotations. It will not be viewed in a positive light by everone.
Until there is a corporation explicitedly named 'United States Marine Corp' in game and the GMs refuse to change that name after being notified, you don't have any grounds to claim discrimination.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Cortex Reaver
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Posted - 2003.12.05 17:53:00 -
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I think due to the current political situation in palestine and israel, this is a good call.
I find the name offensive.
And what about your Corp name then? Isn't Jericho an issue of the whole Palastinian/Israeli debacle?
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Guiermes
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Posted - 2003.12.05 18:06:00 -
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Quote:
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I think due to the current political situation in palestine and israel, this is a good call.
I find the name offensive.
And what about your Corp name then? Isn't Jericho an issue of the whole Palastinian/Israeli debacle?
-CR
Replies like that are what shut it down. I'm sure Eve Devs. wouldn't want to have a scope headline that read ,
" Newsflash Reports just in of a major catastrophe in New Tel Aviv system where New galil weapons station planet 4 moon 3 was blown up 22:34 EV time today . Neither the muslim brotherhood or PLO have taken responsibilty."
Somehow i seriously doubt that's where the developers want to take this game.
As i stated in a previous post , Real-life very very touchy politics ,for many people, has no business ingame. And that corp. name justifiably will inflame passions for or against. And ok thats it my last post on the subject, honest.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.12.05 18:08:00 -
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Example of how current events affect life:
1
30 years ago:
smoking pot was ok
smoking was ok
drinking was not
Now:
drinking is fine,
smoking is condemned
pot is the devil
2
150 years ago
the irish in the US were considered scumbags
50 years ago
the italian were scum
30 years ago
african americans
10 years ago
indians
now
people from the middle east are taking heat, it sucks, it would be best if we all did something better with opur lives, but its pointless to argue with a company that is just trying to keep the game as away from the current mess in the world as possible.
Personally I think all names that have a national reference in them are somewhat unoriginal and boring.
Jericho Faction sounds ok because of the history behind it...
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.05 18:15:00 -
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Quote:
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I think due to the current political situation in palestine and israel, this is a good call.
I find the name offensive.
And what about your Corp name then? Isn't Jericho an issue of the whole Palastinian/Israeli debacle?
-CR
Until there is an organization explicitedly named 'Jericho Fraction' in the real world and the GMs refuse to force that organization to change that name after being notified, you don't have any grounds to claim discrimination.
After all Jericho Fraction has right of usage being first 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Rohann
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Posted - 2003.12.05 18:16:00 -
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The mentioned corp named sucked.
I would have banned it because of lack of imagination.
And that comes from a corp member with the name of a famous comic book. How imaginative.
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Lone Gunman
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Posted - 2003.12.05 18:36:00 -
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Personally I think this situation sucks. But I have a solution, Change your name to the JDL. Jovian Defense League.
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.12.05 18:55:00 -
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Heh, that's cute. :)
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
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Percy Loudbottom
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Posted - 2003.12.05 19:15:00 -
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British Mining Corp = OK
Swedish Mining Corp = OK
Israeli Mining Corp = Not Allowed
WTF?
I could care less about the Middle East or anybodies Corp name. But if the policy is no RL countries etc the top two should be banned and if RL geopolitical refferences are allowed the bottom one should not be banned. Give me a clearly defined policy and please explain the reasoning on the above three cases.
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Unicode
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Posted - 2003.12.05 19:24:00 -
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Israeli Defense Force not Mining corp and ppl have already said explained "why" its not allowed. Just cos u dont care about the middle east and have no opinion doesnt mean others are the same.
Quote of the Week:
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.12.05 19:33:00 -
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What a load of carebear crap. If you find the name of a corporation offensive, don't read it. I personally find Microsoft to be more politically and socially offensive than IDF.
If you want to take issue with corporations that relate directly or indirectly to real world organizations that people might find "offensive" you've got a damn long road ahead of you.
Are they preaching hate on public chat channels or forums? Are they behaving in a discriminatory manner? Does their corporation description have anything to do w/ the real IDF? Do they have discriminatory recruitment policies? Are they related to the real IDF in any way? No. No. No. No. No. No.
Asinine.
Let's make m0o change their name in case any Hindu players take offense. Also, any corporations which make reference to the mafia or mob need to be changed. Also, anyone with a real company or country name in the title needs changed. Oh, and while we're at it lets change any names that mention fighting or death so EVE is more friendly to the Jainist community. Oh, and while we're at it the Zoroastrianists have a list of complaints they would like to go over. Would you like to deal with them first, or the people who have had family members die in mining accidents and object to the term "mining" or "miners" in corporate titles and descriptions.
Bah. Gah.
Veruna Caseti
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Viper Bronco
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Posted - 2003.12.05 19:48:00 -
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this is to orginal poster.
in another game I had a guild with a rather comical name. I didn't use it in EVE even though I had wanted to, because some found it offensive although funny. after game retailed I noticed that another person used that name.
and thought what a dummy I was for not using it. now I am betting if CCP is starting to check what they allowed, a lot of corps or people will be gettig notices soon
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:00:00 -
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Well if CCP is to make corps change their names because of rl organizations then they need to rethink the Gallente origins as it pertains to a rl race of ppl. I find it offensive that you have to train Ethnic Relations in order for you to have other races in your corp. I find it to be very discriminating and racist.
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:27:00 -
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While personnally I could careless what any corp is named, I do think that if CCP wants to ban the IDF, then all corps with RL countries, races, religions, or organizations to include copywrited business names should be removed also. At least meet your own rules on this otherwise I have to agree it is discrimination to say IDF is bad and British, etc.. is ok.
I agree CCP can put any restriction they want on names, but it should be consistant. How does this look if it gets to a gaming mag or the news, or CCP gets a call from the lawyers of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League? CCP does need to be smarter than setting themselfs up for this.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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st0ned
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:33:00 -
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if i understand right ccp is againt "israel"
being in any corp name . hench , smells like
anti-semitism .
kinda makes me consider ,as an israeli ,
if i want to pay a monthly free to an
antisemitist company . i also wonder
if one could put CCP name on the news , in
other context then "game sales" or "game
review" more like "racism in the gaming
industry"
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:36:00 -
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OMFG... you are nuts.
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SkyQuake
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:37:00 -
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Yup change all RL names or none at all.
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st0ned
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:39:00 -
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OMFG... you are nuts.
notice i did not object to rename the IDF
name , it is a military org after all . but
ANY name containing "israel" not being allowed?
spin around that any way you want , the only
reason for that is racism .
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 05/12/2003 20:48:08
Linkage
Now quit being twips and pretending that any of the stupid examples being thrown out has anywhere near the potential to offend as something on that level.
"make m0o change their name in case any Hindu players take offense."  Grow up. No adult would say anything that stupid.
"if i understand right ccp is againt "israel" being in any corp name . hench , smells like anti-semitism ." 'st0ned'? Apt.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Amin
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:46:00 -
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if i understand right ccp is againt "israel"
being in any corp name . hench , smells like
anti-semitism .
kinda makes me consider ,as an israeli ,
if i want to pay a monthly free to an
antisemitist company . i also wonder
if one could put CCP name on the news , in
other context then "game sales" or "game
review" more like "racism in the gaming
industry"
You totally wrong, CCP is not anti-semitic, its all too easy to call them that without thinking about it properly. Iv already posted why CCP are right but let me say it again, Palestinian- Israeli issue brings up very strong feelings from people all over the world.
People obviuosly objected, like other would if there was a corp called Palestinian Liberation Army. Which would also, without doubt would get banned.
Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator
Caldari State Citizen
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:52:00 -
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... Am i the only one who thinks that whoever complained about the "Israeli Defense Force" used as corporation name was simply offended to see the name they might hold in high esteem, associated with the trash that's been going for quite a while in the "Corporations, Factions and Organizations HQ" section of this forum? >>;
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:52:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
if i understand right ccp is againt "israel"
being in any corp name . hench , smells like
anti-semitism .
kinda makes me consider ,as an israeli ,
if i want to pay a monthly free to an
antisemitist company . i also wonder
if one could put CCP name on the news , in
other context then "game sales" or "game
review" more like "racism in the gaming
industry"
You totally wrong, CCP is not anti-semitic, its all too easy to call them that without thinking about it properly. Iv already posted why CCP are right but let me say it again, Palestinian- Israeli issue brings up very strong feelings from people all over the world.
People obviuosly objected, like other would if there was a corp called Palestinian Liberation Army. Which would also, without doubt would get banned.
And your missing the point. What CCP is doing is dumb, and I dont mean banning the name. I mean in doing it in a way that it is easy to say this is "anti-semitism", this is discrimination. It is smarter to have a rule that applies to all, and then no one can say they were singled out. I would just as soon not see CCP wasting money that could be spent on making the game better for me on lawyers or PR hacks because of heavy-handed tactics.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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st0ned
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Posted - 2003.12.05 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: st0ned on 05/12/2003 20:56:44
i bet some iraqis feel very strongly about
the USA , count in most arab countries as well.
i dont see CCP banning any corp name containing
USA in it , do you ?
say any people from argentina finding BRITISH
offensive please stend up .
point is , you cannot ban a country name
because some twit decided its offensive .
every country has the right to defend its
borders and citizens , CCP clearly thinks
that "israel" gets a special treatment over
"british" or "swedish" or whatever , again
spin it any way you want . racism.
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Amin
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Posted - 2003.12.05 21:03:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: st0ned on 05/12/2003 20:56:44
i bet some iraqis feel very strongly about
the USA , count in most arab countries as well.
i dont see CCP banning any corp name containing
USA in it , do you ?
say any people from argentina finding BRITISH
offensive please stend up .
point is , you cannot ban a country name
because some twit decided its offensive .
every country has the right to defend its
borders and citizens , CCP clearly thinks
that "israel" gets a special treatment over
"british" or "swedish" or whatever , again
spin it any way you want . racism.
I suggest u click on the link Jash gave and see that the IDF is a real organisation. Name a corp in eve that is also a rl organisation that people find offense to?
Its not that the corp has the word "Israel", its so easy to scream anti-semitic. Its the fact that its a real life organisation with ties to the occupation.
Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator
Caldari State Citizen
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st0ned
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Posted - 2003.12.05 21:06:00 -
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Its not that the corp has the word "Israel", its so easy to scream anti-semitic. Its the fact that its a real life organisation with ties to the occupation.
read my posts again , i will repeat myself for you . cpp bans the word "israel" IN ANY FORM
even "israeli mining corporation" would be
banned . how would you explain that when
other countries names are allowed?
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