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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
2002
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Posted - 2015.12.25 19:02:49 -
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That should somehow be put into the tutorial. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
1262
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Posted - 2015.12.25 19:50:04 -
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Kia Son wrote:Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:So OP, if you want to have starter lesson on how to survive in Wormhole space, send me a mail. I might not be a PvP-er, but I shure now how to survive. Anywhere in EvE... for now i think i will stay out of WHs as my scanning/hacking skills take too long to scan down stuff in there any way. once i am higher level i might take you up on that tho. If you can scan out a Wormhole in High-sec, you can just as easily scan out most things in W-space. Nonetheless, I stand by my offer. So whenever you feel you are ready, send that mail.
Pro-tip: When ever you happen to lose your ship to another player (and that happens in EvE, all part of the game), ask that player what you could have done to avoid it. Be it by winning the confrontation or avoiding/escaping it altogether. He/she just bested you, you can learn from that person. Not all will be polite or willing to answer, but a surprising large part of the EvE player base would. Just be a little cool about the loss (sh*t happens in EvE) and chances are high you get treated cool.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
562
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Posted - 2015.12.25 21:59:35 -
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Kia Son wrote: you guys have like 2 female shirts that are cute. and not a single cute par of pants/shorts or shoes.
Suuree.... That'll bring back the suscribers!
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J'Poll
Perkone Caldari State
6106
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Posted - 2015.12.25 22:22:35 -
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Kia Son wrote:
i understand that worm holes conect all over the play how they are now... i had one close on me and had to go threw like 4 of them to find my way out... there should be lower difficulty ones... or make it so that a lowbe char can't scan down WHs...
There are multiple "difficulties" of wormholes (C1 being the "easiest").
As for not being able to scan something, that would break something fundamental in EVE, called "THE sandbox". Just cause you don't want to have hard things availble, doesn't mean that other newbies don't want it. So if a new player doesn't want to mine/mission/explore/scam/trade, no other new player should be allowed to that?
On before hand, you CAN actually check what type of wormhole you are about to jump into, by looking up the info given too you.
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J'Poll
Perkone Caldari State
6106
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Posted - 2015.12.25 22:24:32 -
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Kia Son wrote: the other option would be to make it so that a new player is protected from getting ganked for (X) amount of days... but that just seems unlogical game wise and also can easily be exploited.
YEAH, great idea...
Let's give veteran players complete and utterly safe ways to transport things by making "new players" (read accounts) when they need somethin g shipped.
SURE this is not totally game breaking at all.
aka,
NO, dumb idea.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
460
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Posted - 2015.12.25 23:01:36 -
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Kia Son wrote:GAME PLAY
2nd: ship controls. over all i like the way ships are controled in this game over any other space game i have played. but a lot of the controls are ALL OVER the place. and some things like "aligne to" do dumb things like try and go to the aligned object at full speed instead of setting speed to say 5 m/s aligning and then STOPING.
That defeats the purpose of aligning. The purpose of aligning is insta-warping. If you stop then no insta-warp when you click warp-to, If you stop you're not aligned, you're just pointed at your destination. Although an argument can be made for setting speed to 75%, as opposed to max speed. Since only 75% is required.
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A: i have gotten high level rat spawns in high sec areas.... and been blown up quickly as i am still a low level char.
And gotten a free ship to try again.
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B: trying to learn probing and going threw a worm hole to find my self in null space... i can understand not having concord or what ever they are called in these areas... but the high sec worm holes that newbies are scanning down should maybe have some sort of worm hole dwelling group in them that enforce security with in these low level worm holes.
I could swear that the safety button warns you before entering a wormhole. There is no low-level worm hole. You found a door to oblivion. The good news, you get blown up, you get a free ship, and some titanium.
Quote: C: player ganks and traps -with in 10. - 8. space there needs to be some why to protect new players from these things maybe have a station or other such building with in these systems that give a buff/boost that any one with this buff firing on some one else with this buff has that damage reduced to 1 damage. -the only trap i have seen so far is the box of loot sitting out and some one waiting for some newbie that dosen't know not to loot it.... in these systems i think you should not be able to loot these things at all.
Newbies are protected in newbie systemst Those are the specific system you start the game in. Baiting and other techniques are off limits there only.
Quote: PLEX these are bought with real money and should be treated diffrently then other items.
Oh they are. The entire server will converge on your ship if you have any in your hold. That doesn't happen with normal items.
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From the nature of your complaints it sounds like you're just not part of the target demographic for this game. Eve provides a lawless venue for gaming where the only law is the one the players enforce. If you want some wormhole councel to protect newbies, then you need to inspire a bunch of players to make such a council.
This is a sandbox. Sandbox is for kids that entertain themselves, the sand isn't all that entertaining in itself.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
117
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Posted - 2015.12.25 23:27:07 -
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Kia Son wrote:J'Poll wrote:Hahhaa
And guess what, if you did some reasearch, new player systems are protected. how so? i saw a guy sitting infront of the station with some thing jet canned and waiting for new players to pick it up so he could blast them. dosen't seem very protected to me. >.> and as far as i can tell all worm holes are null space.... and there are a lot of worm holes in high sec. how about instead of "haha your post sucks".... you let me know what i got wrong or why it is better the way it is. i am still new... only like 12 days old. well not all of us have a wife/husband and/or kid(s) to spend the holidays with. >.> if i did then i wouldn't be on eve today.... but i don't.... Well, don't take what's not yours. Keep your safety on green. W-space is not null-space. It's worse, because no local. It's all a matter of choice and consequence. "Welcome to New Eden. Here is a ship. Now f**k off."
"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen."(Zitat eines Singles)
"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind."(Zitat von einem, dem es egal ist)
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn
395
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Posted - 2015.12.26 00:07:04 -
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I found myself thinking , points one to three, hmmm ok maybe.
Point 4. No way
And hell no plex should not be treated as separate items. If you are dumb enough to flywith a hold full of the little darlings,you deserve to lose them
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
99
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Posted - 2015.12.26 00:46:27 -
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Kia Son wrote:[ -the only trap i have seen so far is the box of loot sitting out and some one waiting for some newbie that dosen't know not to loot it.... in these systems i think you should not be able to loot these things at all.
There is... it's called 'don't touch anything yellow'
If it's blue then you might find yourself rich beyond your wildest dreams....
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
99
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Posted - 2015.12.26 00:50:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Kia Son wrote:J'Poll wrote:"I want EVE to be WoW in space and easy and safe thread number 936.693.297" the only safty i am suggesting is in the new player areas... there is a TON to learn in this game and it takes time.... if people are going to quit before they learn even 1/5th of game basics it dosen't help the player base grow. oh and i guess for PLEX also... but really that is REAL money. also a LOT more in the opening thread then more safty in noobie areas. >.> Hahhaa And guess what, if you did some reasearch, new player systems are protected.
ha ha
no they are not....
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
99
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Posted - 2015.12.26 01:00:21 -
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Kia Son wrote:
how so? i saw a guy sitting infront of the station with some thing jet canned and waiting for new players to pick it up so he could blast them. dosen't seem very protected to me. >.>
You are supposed to report such people (as CCP apparantlyfrowns upon such matters... but they don't go so far as to actually do anything about it) like indicating to new players should report it
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28718
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Posted - 2015.12.26 01:38:11 -
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People who complain that new player systems aren't protected ... ... while not actually doing anything to "protect" in these new player systems ... ... and not providing *any* proof of it actually happening ...
... lack any believability what-so-ever.
I am glad that almost everyone around here is well aware of that ... ... and the haters keep wasting everyone's time for no gain at all.
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
99
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Posted - 2015.12.26 01:44:50 -
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Solecist Project wrote: People who complain that new player systems aren't protected ... ... while not actually doing anything to "protect" in these new player systems ... ... and not providing *any* proof of it actually happening ...
... lack any believability what-so-ever.
I am glad that almost everyone around here is well aware of that ... ... and the haters keep wasting everyone's time for no gain at all.
dafter and dafter
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2170
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Posted - 2015.12.26 01:49:17 -
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Oh, this will be entertaining! After reading OP, I expect the responses will be...interesting.
ITT: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28719
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Posted - 2015.12.26 01:56:33 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Oh, this will be entertaining! After reading OP, I expect the responses will be...interesting. Luckily people like that pseudo Lucas above aren't smart enough to not get it locked.
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6579
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:02:28 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:Kia Son wrote:
how so? i saw a guy sitting infront of the station with some thing jet canned and waiting for new players to pick it up so he could blast them. dosen't seem very protected to me. >.>
You are supposed to report such people ( as CCP apparantlyfrowns upon such matters... but they don't go so far as to actually do anything about it) like indicating to new players should report it
It's bannable but it needs to be reported. Short of putting new characters in an instanced area for all of the tutorial stuff there will always be people that do this.
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28719
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:03:48 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:Kia Son wrote:
how so? i saw a guy sitting infront of the station with some thing jet canned and waiting for new players to pick it up so he could blast them. dosen't seem very protected to me. >.>
You are supposed to report such people ( as CCP apparantlyfrowns upon such matters... but they don't go so far as to actually do anything about it) like indicating to new players should report it It's bannable but it needs to be reported. Short of putting new characters in an instanced area for all of the tutorial stuff there will always be people that do this. And you think he doesn't know that already.
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1524
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:07:35 -
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What if it was a new player doing the canbaiting?
My lord.
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J'Poll
Perkone Caldari State
6108
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:10:22 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:J'Poll wrote:Kia Son wrote:J'Poll wrote:"I want EVE to be WoW in space and easy and safe thread number 936.693.297" the only safty i am suggesting is in the new player areas... there is a TON to learn in this game and it takes time.... if people are going to quit before they learn even 1/5th of game basics it dosen't help the player base grow. oh and i guess for PLEX also... but really that is REAL money. also a LOT more in the opening thread then more safty in noobie areas. >.> Hahhaa And guess what, if you did some reasearch, new player systems are protected. ha ha no they are not....
Let me high-light someting for that small brain of yours from the following site:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems
Quote:Warning: Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them. Disregarding warnings to cease such behavior from authorized CCP personnel is considered to be in violation of section 6 of the EVE Online Terms of Service.
Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team.
So, guess again.
New players ARE protected, in the rookie systems listed. Once they jump the gate, all free game though.
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J'Poll
Perkone Caldari State
6108
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:14:24 -
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Pix Severus wrote:What if it was a new player doing the canbaiting?
Read the above post quote.
It clearly says "Disregarding warning to cease such behaviour".
Which to me tells that CCP don't hit you with the banhammer straight away. They will ask you to move your activities to any other system first.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13298
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:29:59 -
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J'Poll wrote:Pix Severus wrote:What if it was a new player doing the canbaiting? Read the above post quote. It clearly says "Disregarding warning to cease such behaviour". Which to me tells that CCP don't hit you with the banhammer straight away. They will ask you to move your activities to any other system first. Actually we and a vexor pilot join us a couple of years ago after I beat the shite out of his neut vexor with my ishkur, And I remember this because it was one hell of a fight. I came across him because the gms told him explicitly to **** off out of the rookie systems and go try it with people who new how to play and he ran smack into me They do give Grace for actual rookies and they genuinely monitor them, this is why there's only a handful s of them.
Better the Devil you know.
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
99
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:31:43 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:Kia Son wrote:
how so? i saw a guy sitting infront of the station with some thing jet canned and waiting for new players to pick it up so he could blast them. dosen't seem very protected to me. >.>
You are supposed to report such people ( as CCP apparantlyfrowns upon such matters... but they don't go so far as to actually do anything about it) like indicating to new players should report it It's bannable but it needs to be reported. Short of putting new characters in an instanced area for all of the tutorial stuff there will always be people that do this.
I understand the issues
But what are new players to do?
Either they join corp that has sent the ganker to 'impress them', and end up in gameplay that was never as intended - I'll point tot eh threas I recently read about a newb that somehow got themselves involved in faction warfare, in which the kill mails they received on undocking provided intel to the rest of the corp - or they quit the game on the logical assumption (based on other MMOs) that this is somehow part of the PVE
And let's not forget that there are parts of the tutorial in which CCP deliberately scam the new player - blow up the tower and the mission in which you fight 20 or so frigates but cannot warp out or win unless you are well into hull damage - none of which has anything to do with later game play
And it is not like this is secret..there are any number of corps that award medals for driving new players away in this fashion
But if new players don't know that this bannable or how to report it - then how are the morons that do it to be banned, or the players driven from the game, before they even started, to know to report it?
I don't agree with much the OP has to say - but this is such an obvious problem, and so easily solvable (heck, just tell the work placement guy to set up a new account and ban anyone who has flipped a can) that not even the most ship-balancing devs at CCP can ignore the blinking obvious... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13300
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:43:09 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:]
I understand the issues
But what are new players to do? .. Wrong question.
What can you do.
Better the Devil you know.
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J'Poll
Perkone Caldari State
6111
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:53:06 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:Kia Son wrote:
how so? i saw a guy sitting infront of the station with some thing jet canned and waiting for new players to pick it up so he could blast them. dosen't seem very protected to me. >.>
You are supposed to report such people ( as CCP apparantlyfrowns upon such matters... but they don't go so far as to actually do anything about it) like indicating to new players should report it It's bannable but it needs to be reported. Short of putting new characters in an instanced area for all of the tutorial stuff there will always be people that do this. I understand the issues But what are new players to do? Either they join corp that has sent the ganker to 'impress them', and end up in gameplay that was never as intended - I'll point tot eh threas I recently read about a newb that somehow got themselves involved in faction warfare, in which the kill mails they received on undocking provided intel to the rest of the corp - or they quit the game on the logical assumption ( based on other MMOs) that this is somehow part of the PVE And let's not forget that there are parts of the tutorial in which CCP deliberately scam the new player - blow up the tower and the mission in which you fight 20 or so frigates but cannot warp out or win unless you are well into hull damage - none of which has anything to do with later game play And it is not like this is secret..there are any number of corps that award medals for driving new players away in this fashion But if new players don't know that this bannable or how to report it - then how are the morons that do it to be banned, or the players driven from the game, before they even started, to know to report it? I don't agree with much the OP has to say - but this is such an obvious problem, and so easily solvable ( heck, just tell the work placement guy to set up a new account and ban anyone who has flipped a can) that not even the most ship-balancing devs at CCP can ignore the blinking obvious...
Wrong Q.
The Q you should ask: What can WE (the community) do?
Answer:
Inform and teach new players how the game really works. Reach out to the new players, show them how wonderful the game is and what it has to offer.
The "Good" players are in far higher quantity then the "Bad" players that will ruin it for new players. Issue is that most of the people, expect that CCP does it and don't do anything themself to get new players settled in the game.
And how would a new player know that: Simple, it is listed in the Rookie Help as a link.
p.s. "Good" doesn't mean you should be a white knight. I know plenty of pirates and people who practise professions that are best done under the cover of darkness that are more then willing to help new players to get into the game.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3830
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:59:39 -
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Solecist Project wrote:And you think he doesn't know that already. Considering that almost none of the games rules are posted anywhere in game he may legitimately not if he's not a particularly seasoned player.
Moreover the rookie system policy expressly only protects new players. You can do whatever the hell you want to players who aren't new in those systems. You'll find non-rookies in rookie systems doing all kinds of junk usually either predatory recruiting targeted at new players, running the SOE epic arc for standing in their marauder or T3 or mining there because people generally don't look there for gank targets. |
Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1529
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Posted - 2015.12.26 02:59:53 -
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I would just like to point out that less than 1% of account cancellations cite ship loss or harassment as the reason for leaving the game.
My lord.
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
99
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Posted - 2015.12.26 03:12:35 -
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So, guess again.
New players ARE protected, in the rookie systems listed. Once they jump the gate, all free game though.[/quote]
You can quote anything you like from CCP Games Customer Support Team - who are wonderful and to be commended - but it has no standing with regard to watching players baited into opening the box and being blatted - and then invited to join the corp - or supposedly the corp will pursuing them to the end of their days in Eve - and I've seen it
That you bring up 'small brain' is you issue not mine - my brain fits the average hat - the question you can't answer - or even guess at - is why, despite clear T&Cs CCP has not addressed this issue
Which is proved by your nonsense about 'once they jump the gate ' - something they have to do four or five times to complete the tutorial - is bollocks - any damage has already been done long before any new player gets to run a delivery missions
So guess again
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13221
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Posted - 2015.12.26 03:22:17 -
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Don't let facts get in the way of someone's emotionalism and victimhood. Gÿ¦ |
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
99
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Posted - 2015.12.26 03:41:37 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:]
I understand the issues
But what are new players to do? .. Wrong question. What can you do.
You're right
But I'm wondering if I can be arsed to re-subscribe - I could take my kids swimming for a couple of hours or I could buy a bottle of Jameson's and throw them in the river, either way, is about the same as CCP want's off me to keep the lights on
And in answer to ypu direct question - I - ignored the obvious scams at the academy and passed with 5 million ISK, numerous frigates, an industrial and a plan based on previous experience.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7154
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Posted - 2015.12.26 03:57:36 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:]
I understand the issues
But what are new players to do? .. Wrong question. What can you do. You're right But I'm wondering if I can be arsed to re-subscribe - I could take my kids swimming for a couple of hours or I could buy a bottle of Jameson's and throw them in the river, either way, is about the same as CCP want's off me to keep the lights on And in answer to ypu direct question - I - ignored the obvious scams at the academy and passed with 5 million ISK, numerous frigates, an industrial and a plan based on previous experience. So it is the right question
I am trying to keep up with your meandering rhetoric, but it's mostly incoherent dribble that does not match what actually happens in EVE, so I'm going to give up. You seem to be asserting that CCP does nothing about people who bother new players in rookie systems - evidence will be required, if you don't mind, to prove this assertion and as it is the premise of what appears to be your problem, your problem is easy to dismiss as a personal one that no one needs to care about at all. Meaning if you leave, you won't be missed. The two new people I just finished showing some fundamentals of fitting have a very good attitude and are very keen to learn more about EVE, so your subscription money has already been replaced. Farewell, and good luck on WoW.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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