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Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 2012	Posted - 2015.12.26 04:02:02 - [61] - Quote Paul Pohl wrote: about the same as CCP want's off me to keep the lights on If you really need 3423479 posts saying "I'm a drama queen, poor and have to make choices, please make EVE free and I'll stick around not paying anything at all. It's better for the game that way, honest" then you might as well quit and spend your time more wisely. I'll happily pay 20 euro/month and add another account just for good measure to sweeten the deal for CCP.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6579	Posted - 2015.12.26 05:10:44 - [62] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Wrong Q. The Q you should ask: What can WE (the community) do? Answer: Inform and teach new players how the game really works. Reach out to the new players, show them how wonderful the game is and what it has to offer. The "Good" players are in far higher quantity then the "Bad" players that will ruin it for new players. Issue is that most of the people, expect that CCP does it and don't do anything themself to get new players settled in the game. And how would a new player know that: Simple, it is listed in the Rookie Help as a link. Sure, CCP should make it even more clear that it is frowned upon, I totally agree. Yes, I do think CCP should also make it even more clear that EVE has a forum, with a great community and in there, there is a special part for new players to ask their questions. And that part is also heavily moderated (Thank you ISD and the community team of CCP for all that hard work) so it is also very civilized. All in all, CCP should make new players more aware of the existing community. And the existing community should put a little into getting those newbies in, it doesn't take much with such a big group to show new players, why we LOVE EVE and why they might fall in love with it too. p.s. "Good" doesn't mean you should be a white knight. I know plenty of pirates and people who practise professions that are best done under the cover of darkness that are more then willing to help new players to get into the game. Pretty much this. There's only so much you can expect CCP to do. EVE is all about community & the community has already done a great job of explaining how things work. The NPE could be expanded on in a few areas but at its core it should still be 'Here's a ship, **** you'. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
J'Poll Perkone Caldari State 6111	Posted - 2015.12.26 10:06:14 - [63] - Quote Paul Pohl wrote: So, guess again. New players ARE protected, in the rookie systems listed. Once they jump the gate, all free game though. You can quote anything you like from CCP Games Customer Support Team - who are wonderful and to be commended - but it has no standing with regard to watching players baited into opening the box and being blatted - and then invited to join the corp - or supposedly the corp will pursuing them to the end of their days in Eve - and I've seen it That you bring up 'small brain' is you issue not mine - my brain fits the average hat - the question you can't answer - or even guess at - is why, despite clear T&Cs CCP has not addressed this issue Which is proved by your nonsense about 'once they jump the gate ' - something they have to do four or five times to complete the tutorial - is bollocks - any damage has already been done long before any new player gets to run a delivery missions So guess again [/quote] Again, before you whine, maybe check out the fact yourself. For instance CCP and or ISD:STAR are quite often present in new player systems, to monitor new players (both the behaviour and to help them get going). Then there are many occasions I had with alts (as CCP can't see if it's an alt account or a genuine new player) is that one of the community devs open a convo with me after a hour of playing to check up on me (which wasn't needed, but they still do it). So, yeah, CCP is actually doing quite a lot to help. But in the end, EVE is goaled towards a certain type of gamer, and the majority of the gamers won't fit that audience. And a very very big community will go to the end of the galaxy to help a new player if they have questions and is mature enough to go find some help from others. It has been said before multiple times, EVE is a MMO where a lot of the important stuff is based on the community. So, use that. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
J'Poll Perkone Caldari State 6111	Posted - 2015.12.26 10:09:06 - [64] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: ] I understand the issues But what are new players to do? .. Wrong question. What can you do. You're right But I'm wondering if I can be arsed to re-subscribe - I could take my kids swimming for a couple of hours or I could buy a bottle of Jameson's and throw them in the river, either way, is about the same as CCP want's off me to keep the lights on And in answer to ypu direct question - I - ignored the obvious scams at the academy and passed with 5 million ISK, numerous frigates, an industrial and a plan based on previous experience. So it is the right question I am trying to keep up with your meandering rhetoric, but it's mostly incoherent dribble that does not match what actually happens in EVE, so I'm going to give up. You seem to be asserting that CCP does nothing about people who bother new players in rookie systems - evidence will be required, if you don't mind, to prove this assertion and as it is the premise of what appears to be your problem, your problem is easy to dismiss as a personal one that no one needs to care about at all. Meaning if you leave, you won't be missed. The two new people I just finished showing some fundamentals of fitting have a very good attitude and are very keen to learn more about EVE, so your subscription money has already been replaced. Farewell, and good luck on WoW. This. All he does is complain and whine. While the people who actually DO help new players see what really is going on in EVE regarding new player. /Thread. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 589	Posted - 2015.12.26 10:28:05 - [65] - Quote Reading the OP, it becomes evident the habit of reliance upon "hand holding" game structure had this person waiting for the game to do something, or some neon sign to flash with instructions A through Z. Many of the "faults" mentioned have to do with bothering to take a close look at things such as the interface, and to observe rather than expect. This is rather common: "When I press A I expect B to happen, but it doesn't, so the game is broken." Why expect A to happen? Because A happens in all the other games I play, so it "should" happen here as well...or the game is broken. It's possible the "entitlement generation" believes its observations are more significant than actualities - as in even having the vocabulary to follow this sentence. "You use big words. I can't understand big words. I only know small words. You're broken." What I see with the complaints about the intro is first and foremost a level of impatience at the outset that is debatable whether engineering should be used to accommodate it, as it is obviously either a learning disability involved, or a character flaw in that someone will not take the time to consider...there are other points of view, and other ways to do things - other than the WoW model "some" gamers seem to think is the MMO Bible. Having done every iteration of the intros since 2007 I have to say it's never been more obvious, hand holding or...accommodating. Anyone who complains at this point should really take a long look at themselves. And that's my two-cents worth. PS "turn ons" and "turn offs" What? Is this the sixties again? There just isn't anything that can be said!
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28734	Posted - 2015.12.26 10:57:21 - [66] - Quote Why don't you ever stop letting yourself get trolled. Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1145	Posted - 2015.12.26 12:49:38 - [67] - Quote When they shut off the lights then people will consider new ideas in EvE.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 226	Posted - 2015.12.26 13:17:15 - [68] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: When they shut off the lights then people will consider new ideas in EvE. wut? Just Add Water
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7160	Posted - 2015.12.26 14:15:11 - [69] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: When they shut off the lights then people will consider new ideas in EvE. People are considering new ideas for EVE everyday. The only ones being rejected are the stupid ones. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13310	Posted - 2015.12.26 14:41:42 - [70] - Quote Paul Pohl wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: ] I understand the issues But what are new players to do? .. Wrong question. What can you do. You're right But I'm wondering if I can be arsed to re-subscribe - I could take my kids swimming for a couple of hours or I could buy a bottle of Jameson's and throw them in the river, either way, is about the same as CCP want's off me to keep the lights on And in answer to ypu direct question - I - ignored the obvious scams at the academy and passed with 5 million ISK, numerous frigates, an industrial and a plan based on previous experience. So it is the right question Well then if - you - can't be arsed interacting with the newbros you should probably stop talking on their behalf. Your "think of the children" please lose any and all validity when it becomes apparent you Don't have any, don't even like them, wouldn't help one yourself if called upon. You don't get to use them as a blunt object to bludgeon the rest of us with when you obviously couldn't care less about them. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1145	Posted - 2015.12.26 14:49:29 - [71] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Nexus Day wrote: When they shut off the lights then people will consider new ideas in EvE. People are considering new ideas for EVE everyday. The only ones being rejected are the stupid ones. Take another look. Or have I stumbled upon the arbiter of all good ideas on the internet? Besides there is an axiom that there are no stupid ideas, just close minded people.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17263	Posted - 2015.12.26 14:52:49 - [72] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: ] I understand the issues But what are new players to do? .. Wrong question. What can you do. You're right But I'm wondering if I can be arsed to re-subscribe - I could take my kids swimming for a couple of hours or I could buy a bottle of Jameson's and throw them in the river, either way, is about the same as CCP want's off me to keep the lights on And in answer to ypu direct question - I - ignored the obvious scams at the academy and passed with 5 million ISK, numerous frigates, an industrial and a plan based on previous experience. So it is the right question Well then if - you - can't be arsed interacting with the newbros you should probably stop talking on their behalf. Your "think of the children" please lose any and all validity when it becomes apparent you Don't have any, don't even like them, wouldn't help one yourself if called upon. You don't get to use them as a blunt object to bludgeon the rest of us with when you obviously couldn't care less about them. Yes indeed. In fact it's against the law. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7163	Posted - 2015.12.26 15:10:59 - [73] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Paul Pohl wrote: ] I understand the issues But what are new players to do? .. Wrong question. What can you do. You're right But I'm wondering if I can be arsed to re-subscribe - I could take my kids swimming for a couple of hours or I could buy a bottle of Jameson's and throw them in the river, either way, is about the same as CCP want's off me to keep the lights on And in answer to ypu direct question - I - ignored the obvious scams at the academy and passed with 5 million ISK, numerous frigates, an industrial and a plan based on previous experience. So it is the right question Well then if - you - can't be arsed interacting with the newbros you should probably stop talking on their behalf. Your "think of the children" please lose any and all validity when it becomes apparent you Don't have any, don't even like them, wouldn't help one yourself if called upon. You don't get to use them as a blunt object to bludgeon the rest of us with when you obviously couldn't care less about them. Yes indeed. In fact it's against the law. To use newbies as a blunt object, or as a shield for excuses and rhetoric? If it's the former, I'm a bit doomed. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17263	Posted - 2015.12.26 16:13:25 - [74] - Quote Woosh "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Kia Son 3	Posted - 2015.12.27 00:56:22 - [75] - Quote oh, sadly i didn't know that and don't remember any thing other then it was a female char with blond hair thats name started with an "S". >.> sooo... where are these cute cloths?
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7171	Posted - 2015.12.27 01:08:14 - [76] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Nexus Day wrote: When they shut off the lights then people will consider new ideas in EvE. People are considering new ideas for EVE everyday. The only ones being rejected are the stupid ones. Take another look. Or have I stumbled upon the arbiter of all good ideas on the internet? Besides there is an axiom that there are no stupid ideas, just close minded people. Your hyperbole is pathetic, and that axiom is nothing more than an enabler for people to feel 'speshul' without having to apply some critical faculties. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13332	Posted - 2015.12.27 01:33:54 - [77] - Quote Kia Son wrote: oh, sadly i didn't know that and don't remember any thing other then it was a female char with blond hair thats name started with an "S". >.> sooo... where are these cute cloths? Keep an eye out, let me know if you see it again and I'll gladly push her shite in for you. Or file a support ticket and the gm's will do it for you. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28778	Posted - 2015.12.27 01:39:30 - [78] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: I would just like to point out that less than 1% of account cancellations cite ship loss or harassment as the reason for leaving the game. We need this stickied. Thanks, Pix! :D Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
Memphis Baas 864	Posted - 2015.12.27 02:58:09 - [79] - Quote Kia Son wrote: oh, sadly i didn't know that and don't remember any thing other then it was a female char with blond hair thats name started with an "S". >.> Your character sheet has a tab that shows kills and deaths. Also, a lot of PVP'ers link their kills via the API system, so you can google yourself. In any case, this game does not have separation between newbies and veterans. You can jump into the fray from day 1, and even sometimes win (other MMO's a level 1-10 attacking a level 60+ won't even hit). But of course that comes with "bad" side effects, like wormholes to dangerous space opening in highsec, and veteran PVP'ers roaming high-sec.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 468	Posted - 2015.12.27 04:17:40 - [80] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Let me high-light someting for that small brain of yours from the following site: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems So, guess again. New players ARE protected, in the rookie systems listed. Once they jump the gate, all free game though. OoOOo, I just learned something today. I thought it was just the spawn systems in the first list. I didn't realize it included the career agent and soe arc systems too. Good to know. Not that I engage in scamming much. I'd much rather decloak off the starboard bow. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4230	Posted - 2015.12.27 04:27:16 - [81] - Quote Kia Son wrote: J'Poll wrote: "I want EVE to be WoW in space and easy and safe thread number 936.693.297" the only safty i am suggesting is in the new player areas... there is a TON to learn in this game and it takes time.... if people are going to quit before they learn even 1/5th of game basics it dosen't help the player base grow. oh and i guess for PLEX also... but really that is REAL money. also a LOT more in the opening thread then more safty in noobie areas. >.> Well, the player base grew just fine back when there was actually less coddling of beginners. We did not get a venture, let alone 2, for doing tutorial missions. As for PLEX, if you are dumb enough to un-dock with them in your hold...well...you are just being dumb. Why would you even do that? And PLEX are not real money once they become in game items. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Inotee Tahr Disciples of Aphrodite The Glory Holers 4	Posted - 2015.12.28 11:54:45 - [82] - Quote Kia Son wrote: the other day i heard some one on the killboard got ganked in highsec with 25 PLEX on him... and they all vanished. that is a lot of money to lose and kinda feels like a cash sink... and discurages people from buying them... and this limits supply for those of us that depend on the plex to be able to play the game. on that note it seems the price of PLEX continues to raise.... making it harder for a poor person to be able to make the isk to buy one.y. It's their choice to move 25 PLEX at once and losing the worth of real money to gankers. It's a game feature, not something that should or can be changed. If you want to buy a PLEX and sell it, redeem it from the station and not out in null/ls or even any other station in hs for that matter. You are NOT safe anywhere, that is what EVE is all about, a sandbox game where anything can happen. What about ships worth over 3 PLEX that is lost on a regular basis throughout EVE? What about the titans worth over $1000 estimated real-life US-dollars? What makes these different? PLEX is on the down-hill, prices have been dropping for weeks now. Also, the fact that you think they are expensive now indicates to me that you didn't really get why PLEX is an in-game item. If everyone was playing for free because of PLEX then CCP wouldn't be here today. I'm currently able to make a PLEX in-game every 4 days, but spend most of it on PVP, helping noobs or injecting it into the corp/alliance, and lets be honest, grinding PLEX is boring.
lost packet Alpha Flight 86	Posted - 2015.12.28 14:33:44 - [83] - Quote * pulls up a chair *
Voxinian 97	Posted - 2015.12.28 14:56:35 - [84] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: EVE players are so desperate for cheap kills that they even camp the forums for easy ganks on noobies. Kind of pathetic when you think about it. Merry Christmas Mr Epeen Yup. And people wonder why there are not 100k players online.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7204	Posted - 2015.12.28 15:04:40 - [85] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: EVE players are so desperate for cheap kills that they even camp the forums for easy ganks on noobies. Kind of pathetic when you think about it. Merry Christmas Mr Epeen Yup. And people wonder why there are not 100k players online. Because there never has been? Record is 60K. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Voxinian 97	Posted - 2015.12.28 15:06:12 - [86] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: I would just like to point out that less than 1% of account cancellations cite ship loss or harassment as the reason for leaving the game. This can't reliably be measured .... unless you personally ask the quiting player why he/she left.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7205	Posted - 2015.12.28 15:07:36 - [87] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Pix Severus wrote: I would just like to point out that less than 1% of account cancellations cite ship loss or harassment as the reason for leaving the game. This can't reliably be measured .... unless you personally ask the quiting player why he/she left. Which is what they do, when you unsub. You haven't even watched it to see their methodology, have you? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Voxinian 97	Posted - 2015.12.28 15:21:18 - [88] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Voxinian wrote: Pix Severus wrote: I would just like to point out that less than 1% of account cancellations cite ship loss or harassment as the reason for leaving the game. This can't reliably be measured .... unless you personally ask the quiting player why he/she left. Which is what they do, when you unsub. You haven't even watched it to see their methodology, have you? Unsub = not renewing your sub.... which I have done lots of times over the years, never got a CCP feedback message. You get that feedback message only in your first sub month then I assume? I am watching the video now btw.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7205	Posted - 2015.12.28 15:24:34 - [89] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Voxinian wrote: Pix Severus wrote: I would just like to point out that less than 1% of account cancellations cite ship loss or harassment as the reason for leaving the game. This can't reliably be measured .... unless you personally ask the quiting player why he/she left. Which is what they do, when you unsub. You haven't even watched it to see their methodology, have you? Unsub = not renewing your sub.... which I have done lots of times over the years, never got a CCP feedback message. You get that feedback message only in your first sub month then I assume? I am watching the video now btw. If people are renewing.... then they don't count as people that have left, do they. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Voxinian 97	Posted - 2015.12.28 15:49:10 - [90] - Quote What would be the time frame for renewing then to define a player as 'not left'? If I renew my sub after 1 year for 1 month do I count as 'has not left'? Just pointing out that you can measure subs and people leaving for whatever reason in different ways. Just as CCP can generate sub statistics that suit them and say that only 1% leaves cos of ganking. I take those statistics with a grain of salt.

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