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Jackal79
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:18:00 -
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What exactly is this thing good for? I've been told it in no way compares to the brutix - so I'm guessing it is the least of the tier 1 BCs. Is it just a cheap alternative to the drake (in effectivness and cost)?
Note: PvE does not count for being good for something
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Jokim
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jackal79
Note: PvE does not count for being good for something
Sounds like you have made up your mind
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Mush Room
Svea Rike Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:26:00 -
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The Ferox isn't good at anything really. It's a cheap railboat that can net you some easy shuttle killmails that's about it.
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Yarek Balear
The Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:27:00 -
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How can you ask what something is good for and discount half of EVE ? I consider myself a PVPer but EVE is made up of PVE and PVP...
I just wasted time reading this and then replying to it...
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DarkElf
Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:31:00 -
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ferox not including pve is good at being a bait ship as can tank very well without all the tackling gear and also is good for group gatecamps. 3 of them can perma tank sentries i believe. but yeah it is just a cheap drake really. very similar ships
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Zeiferon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:32:00 -
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Best PvP use i've ever found for the ferox is missiles, 5 slots for EW, and a decent sized armour tank. Makes a surprisingly good support ship, just not solo. ----------------------------
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Jackal79
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:34:00 -
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Actually I figure its more like 80% of eve. I can't understand why ppl would rat except to get money to PvP but you've got most of the population huddled in high sec empire running missions like its the funnest thing ever. Whatever, it doesn't matter if you get off on that then fine.
Anyway, Ferox - so I've now heard its useful for bait, and useful for killing shuttles. Awesome. Seems like alot of caldari ships fit this profile with a select few that are useful (and some of them are too overpriced to have utility).
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Kirith Kodachi
Interstellar Privateers Of Res Communis
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Posted - 2007.01.18 15:49:00 -
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I fly a ferox and enjoy it, but I'm no uber-PvP guy. I like the Ferox for several reasons.
1. Almost three times cheaper than the Drake, yet sports a shield take almost as good.
2. Flexible: 5 turrets hardpoints and 5 missile hardpoints gives you options.
3. Decent CPU and PG for whatever fittings you want.
4. Looks cool.
I agree that it is not a solo-pwnmobile, but that describes a lot of Caldari ships. Its cheap price and decent capabilities make it preferable to me, especially since I'm specializing in Caldari rail ships.
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Trillian Mcmillan
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 16:14:00 -
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The Ferox is actually quite good at fitting Warfare links. Just like other BCs and CSs.
I really wish people would stop ignoring the ships primary purpose.
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Jackal79
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Posted - 2007.01.18 16:18:00 -
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Don't command links give a 2% bonus or something? I wouldn't care about a 2% bonus even if it were "2% bonus to total awesomeness"
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Egil Kolsto
Caldari Collwood Collective
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Posted - 2007.01.18 16:18:00 -
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If you will allow a PVE point of view for a second: Prior to Drake - level III missions were a lot easier in Ferox than a Cruiser!
PVP - the Ferox is the BC step in our Rail - path. See other post for further explanation.
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Trillian Mcmillan
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jackal79 Don't command links give a 2% bonus or something? I wouldn't care about a 2% bonus even if it were "2% bonus to total awesomeness"
Its a fleet thing... and a fleet ship...
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.18 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Trillian Mcmillan The Ferox is actually quite good at fitting Warfare links. Just like other BCs and CSs.
I really wish people would stop ignoring the ships primary purpose.
Agreed, the Ferox is infact one of the best BCs for this purpose. It can hit from afar with its rails and its strong tank keeps it in the fight.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.18 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 18/01/2007 19:12:39
Originally by: Jackal79 Don't command links give a 2% bonus or something? I wouldn't care about a 2% bonus even if it were "2% bonus to total awesomeness"
Really? So you dont bother to train up your gun specialization skills or missile specialization skills? Or rapid launch? Or warhead upgrades?
I mean, that is only a 3% bonus, and its not even a 3% bonus to total awesomeness.
The Ferox is a fine ship, it isnt so great for up close gankage, but it fits for medium range fleet support very well.
It does as much damage as an Eagle with its guns[and the eagle is a nasty frig popper], and has the mids to fit a good amount of EW along with gang bonuses.
250mm Rails x 5/Gang mod[EW strength?] Tracking Comp/Damp/Damp/Damp/Damp Mag stab x 3/Tracking enhancer. 5 x Light ECM drones.
35km range with antimatter, 241 DPS [70km with lead/ 160 DPS with spike @ 127km]
light ECM drones on whatever has the slowest lock time[or is the most dangerous], +2 damps, +2 damps on whatever is most likly to shoot you.
Kill the frigates with your guns and cripple your enemy while boosting your gang.
Alternate options include 2 sensor boosters to lock frigs faster, droping 1 TC.
[ed: And of course, you can fit a nice tank there too, but that is a fundamentally different idea than the one I am presenting here.] ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 19:20:00 -
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If nothing else, it makes a nice tanked ship to transport high-isk items to market. Good luck suiciding that one. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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piepie
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.18 19:54:00 -
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imo the ferox is a brilliant ship for pvp. i used it for belt and gate camping piracy. It could fit a nice passive tank but an even better active tank that was pretty much unstopable if you had either a cap booster or good cap recharging skills if you were being nos'd and dont expect to sit with the sb on 24/7. Missile work better on it imo from my experience if you want to acti tank and deal ok damage rails, well tech 1 didnt do enough damage for the cap they used in most cases.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:15:00 -
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The drake made the ferox a much more worthless ship than it was previously. The ferox used to be THE PvE BC. It had an amazing tank and decent enough dps with missiles to make it work well. The drakes dps and tanking are far superior tho... so it makes the ferox worthless in this role now.
In PvP the rails are probably better than the missiles of the drake... but overall the ferox is nothing special anymore.
However, saying you want to know what it is good for... then saying PvE cannot be one of those reasons is just stupid. You personally may not be interested in it's PvE ability, but a vast majority of the population cares more about PvE than PvP.
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xHalcyonx
Amarr EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:19:00 -
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Sorry, but I just have to.
"Ferox - what is it good for" absolutely nothing.
Back on topic. It is still a good lvl 3 mission runner with heavy missiles (not HAMs).
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Trillian Mcmillan The Ferox is actually quite good at fitting Warfare links. Just like other BCs and CSs.
I really wish people would stop ignoring the ships primary purpose.
it gets a bonus to ecm, which is not worth it even on dedicated ecm ships. why bring an ecm bird that *might* work, when you can bring another ship that always works?
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Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:50:00 -
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While the Drake can put out more DPS and can Tank more DPS then the Ferox, it still is great bang for buck.
It's cheap, has a great tank and with good hybrid skills, it's a mean rail boat. If you are in a war would you rather lose 1 drake for the cost of 3 ferox or the other way around? ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns!
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: Trillian Mcmillan The Ferox is actually quite good at fitting Warfare links. Just like other BCs and CSs.
I really wish people would stop ignoring the ships primary purpose.
it gets a bonus to ecm, which is not worth it even on dedicated ecm ships. why bring an ecm bird that *might* work, when you can bring another ship that always works?
The Ferox doesnt get any bonuses to links other than it can fit them, just like the rest of the tech 1 battlecruisers.
Also, the bonus from that fleet command ship bonus is really really small.
Oh, and information warfare freaking rocks for command bonuses. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
Kai Jyokoroi
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.18 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle The drake made the ferox a much more worthless ship than it was previously. The ferox used to be THE PvE BC. It had an amazing tank and decent enough dps with missiles to make it work well. The drakes dps and tanking are far superior tho... so it makes the ferox worthless in this role now.
In PvP the rails are probably better than the missiles of the drake... but overall the ferox is nothing special anymore.
However, saying you want to know what it is good for... then saying PvE cannot be one of those reasons is just stupid. You personally may not be interested in it's PvE ability, but a vast majority of the population cares more about PvE than PvP.
Anyone who cares more about PvE is playing the wrong game. WoW is , I hear there's a new expansion or something.
Sorry for derailing! _____________ DAMN IT! I got a sig-jack from wystler and then accidentally broke it :(
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Tohmu Blackwing
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Posted - 2007.01.19 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi ...
Anyone who cares more about PvE is playing the wrong game. WoW is , I hear there's a new expansion or something.
Sorry for derailing!
Oh, thank you so much for saying so!
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Ralara
Caldari Reunited O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.01.19 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jackal79 What exactly is this thing good for? I've been told it in no way compares to the brutix - so I'm guessing it is the least of the tier 1 BCs. Is it just a cheap alternative to the drake (in effectivness and cost)?
Note: PvE does not count for being good for something
in theory it's good for sniping with railguns. I've got my gunnery at mostly lvl 4 or 5 right now, and to be honest, I can't see it as a good ship at all. I trashed mine, it wasnt even worth moving from 0.0 to empire. It's rubbish. Kill it with fire. --
Yeah, so Caldari suck at close range. Pity you'll never get there.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.01.19 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi
Originally by: Shadarle The drake made the ferox a much more worthless ship than it was previously. The ferox used to be THE PvE BC. It had an amazing tank and decent enough dps with missiles to make it work well. The drakes dps and tanking are far superior tho... so it makes the ferox worthless in this role now.
In PvP the rails are probably better than the missiles of the drake... but overall the ferox is nothing special anymore.
However, saying you want to know what it is good for... then saying PvE cannot be one of those reasons is just stupid. You personally may not be interested in it's PvE ability, but a vast majority of the population cares more about PvE than PvP.
Anyone who cares more about PvE is playing the wrong game. WoW is , I hear there's a new expansion or something.
Sorry for derailing!
Been to WOW, Eve has a FAR FAR superior PvE game than any other game I've played. Including DAOC, WOW, AO, L2, CoH, and others. I generally do the PvE as long as I can until I get bored with it in a game... then I move on to the PvP and never go back to the PvE. DAOC was the best PvP game I've ever played, but EVE's PvP is interesting too... just not nearly as accessible for the masses. You have to be fairly hardcore to PvP well in EVE, you can't be a casual PvP'ers as easily which is unfortunate. But that's ok... I'll keep doing my market PvP for now.
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Kldraina
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Posted - 2007.01.19 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jackal79 Don't command links give a 2% bonus or something? I wouldn't care about a 2% bonus even if it were "2% bonus to total awesomeness"
With max skills it gets up to about 15%, and with an implant, it can get up to 22.5%. |
Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Tsurokigaarai
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Posted - 2007.01.19 06:55:00 -
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its a **** poor gunboat for is size and in comparison with the other BC's that are much better in a fleet role. The Drake made it obsolete for the PVE BC category. Its like a Moa but slightly less sucky which means its relatively useless. If your shooting at 70km you might as well bring a BS so you can actually do something with that range other then annoy the enemy. That is, until it get 6 turret slots, ----- *results may vary*
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Fredonan
Caldari Two Brothers Mining Corp.
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Posted - 2007.01.19 06:58:00 -
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I can't think of a better cheap flagship for small gang warfare. 5 Assaults/Heavies, Nosferatu, and then you can either go for mothership role, warfare bonus role, or the EW ship that just...won't...die... Or you can make it into the perfect Nos-Domi crippler, with a tank strong enough to outlast the drones while the right size launcher splatters those expensive drones all over the galaxy and the pilot laughs and laughs and laughs as the Nos-Domi's most potent weapon, Nosferatu is completely nulled. |
Irawaru
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Posted - 2007.01.19 07:23:00 -
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imho they should switch it so that the ferox is the missile boat and the drake is the rail boat then all is well.
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Bernardo Guii
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Posted - 2007.01.19 07:27:00 -
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I am a little confused. Why exactly is it such a useless boat? (IF YOU POST, PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN, thx)
Does the lack of a 6th turret slot limit it too much?
I always thought that the 5% shield resist / lvl was an awesome PvP bonus - do many of you feel it is not useful? Are tanks irrelevant in fleet ops? (ie: get a ship with 2 DPS bonuses because if you get primaried your dead anyways...) Is that the argument against it?
Is it because, like all Caldari ships, that it is inordinately large, slow and easy to lock (high sig)?
I always thought that the Ferox compared rather well to the Brutix - for both PvP and PvE. Different styles - one gets in close with blasters and the other is a mini snipe... Is THAT the reason it isn't good? The range you can snipe at is limited and therefore isn't suited to PvP? Are rails less useful in PvP except at ranges of 250kms?
I am genuinely interested why so many people feel it is such a useless ship. If you have an opinion, please try to EXPLAIN it. Too often people just drop in and say "it sucks..." leaving nothing of substance in their post.
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