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Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:06:00 - [31] Originally by: Kerushi Edited by: Kerushi on 18/01/2007 17:44:15 read it again and i think he just asked for the char login screen, just didn`t asked it right and mistaken about when u asked for the login info he assumes char login [ 2007.01.18 17:09:32 ] Tyleritus > so i can see how many accounts you have accounts = alts screenshot of the hdd = how many accounts (wich is pointless as u can move dir`s around) edit: quite a few corps ask for the char login screen (not account login) lol you read again - even stupid weirda can see. he provide links (already) for char login screen. was asked for login screen "with char name"? and answered "yeah". either you know the recruiter or you grap at straw __ Weirda Join QotSA
Kerushi Caldari BIG	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:10:00 - [32] i`ll edit that post so no first post can be quoted after making additional post? BIG Forum \| Deal \| Bank
B4NK	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:11:00 - [33] hey hey I had this kind of interview with a corp before and its ok but i see it as a pointless execrise altogether. Login screen doesnt show your login name (which shouldnt be given out) but it shows what characters you have on your account. 1) login screen info only shows 1 account and not the second so this is quite a pointless request 2) PHOTOSHOP :/ *posted with my alt and my main is easily found :)
Daddy's Belt Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:33:00 - [34] Is this some sort of language barrier that some people who post on this topic can't tell the difference between the login screen and the Character Selection screen? Anyone care to enlighten these folks that they are two different things, and which is which, in their native language? Someone's gonna get a buttwhippin'!
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Daddy's Belt Is this some sort of language barrier that some people who post on this topic can't tell the difference between the login screen and the Character Selection screen? Anyone care to enlighten these folks that they are two different things, and which is which, in their native language? Ever heard of someone saying the wrong thing? Maybe he meant something other than he typed. You know... It does happen and it would be a stupid thing to get banned over. So again I say, let it slide. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Azrael Bierce Cult of Lemen	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:40:00 - [36] What good would the login screen do anyway? Copy EVE folder, kill the settings cache, start her up, put in login name "skippytheclown" or some other random garbage, fail to log in, and the dropdown now has a single account in it that isn't valid, and thus proves nothing to anyone.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:42:00 - [37] Edited by: Kazuma Saruwatari on 18/01/2007 18:41:14 I've just reviewed the EULA of the quoted section up above, and indeed it does sound like a EULA violation to ask for a screenshot showing ones username/s. Whilst it is a good way to prevent sleeper alts, you know something has to be done when people are starting to do this just to prevent the likelyhood of spying... EDIT: this brings up another question: How do you tell if the player, who does have alt accounts, actually is a spy for someone else if you only ahve their usernames, and not the characters in the other usernames?
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:47:00 - [38] It is an explicit breach of the EULA since he "attempted to obtain" your login name. However, the question of whether CCP will do anything about it is unclear. EULA: Originally by: EULA ii. Termination of EULA CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) you fail to pay the subscription fee when due; (ii) CCP is unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide; (iii) you or anyone using any of your Accounts materially breaches the EULA, makes any unauthorized use of the System or Software, or infringes the rights of CCP or any third party; or (iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate or in violation of the Rules of Conduct. Such termination shall be effective upon notice transmitted via electronic mail, or any other means reasonably calculated to reach you. CCP reserves the right to terminate any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the closed Account. Termination by CCP under this section shall be without prejudice to or waiver of any and all of CCP's other rights or remedies, all of which are expressly reserved, survive termination, and are cumulative. You will not receive a refund of prepaid subscription fees for a termination pursuant to this section. There is nothing there that forces CCPs hand in this. They "may" terminate his account and any other accounts he owns, but they certainly do not have to. Personally I'd be inclined to believe that it is a harmeless practice with the intent to catch spies and not for the intent of obtaining access to your accounts, but that still doesn't mean its not a breach of the EULA.
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Eldo Davip If you think this is a problem then please petition the GMs. AFAIK I know this is standard policy with many alliances. I'm not sure if this is a EULA violation or not Oh man. If ISD doesn't even know if this is EULA violation and it's a "standard" alliance practice then it's time to get some GM's and gold boxes in here and make a sticky in the proper forums. First off I've not checked the EULA but even if it isn't a violation currently it needs to be made one quickly. Second off asking a person for their login name counts as social engineering/pretexting and is probably illegal in many countries. I am not a lawyer but if I were CCP I'd starting asking one quickly if they plan to not make this an EULA offense going forward. Link for those who don't know what social engineering is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretexting
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:00:00 - [40] Originally by: Daddy's Belt Is this some sort of language barrier In case it is a language barrier I will clear it up a bit. [ 2007.01.18 17:09:32 ] Tyleritus > so i can see how many accounts you have [ 2007.01.18 17:09:35 ] Tyleritus > yeah He's asking for something to show how many ACCOUNTS the op has. He's also already recieved info about the CHARACTERS thus he deffinetly means ACCOUNTS. Therefore he is deffinetly asking for the login screen and login names. I think it would be extreme to penalize him if CCP hasn't been clear on this issue but it deffinetly needs to be made clear going forward. No way should people be required to give out dangerous info to join alliances.
Raivi Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:02:00 - [41] Edited by: Raivi on 18/01/2007 18:59:21 I think some of you need to understand the difference between the letter and the spirit of the EULA. That rule is in the EULA to counter people attempting to gain access to another person's account. In this case it is a perfectly normal practice that is intended to prevent spying. You are perfectly welcome to decline the request, like you did. If you don't like the policy then then don't join the alliance. CCP will not penalize someone for this kind of action. If you raise enough of a stink about the whole thing then they will just change the EULA to make this action legal.
Holden Friendly Caldari Lucky Hydra Corp	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:03:00 - [42] Here's a "screenshot of my hard drive" if any corps want to verify my identity. http://eve-files.com/dl/83150
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:07:00 - [43] Originally by: Holden Friendly Here's a "screenshot of my hard drive" if any corps want to verify my identity. http://eve-files.com/dl/83150 Uhho, looks fishy to me. NO ONE TRUST THIS MAN! ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:09:00 - [44] Originally by: Raivi I think some of you need to understand the difference between the letter and the spirit of the EULA. That rule is in the EULA to counter people attempting to gain access to another person's account. In this case it is a perfectly normal practice that is intended to prevent spying. You are perfectly welcome to decline the request, like you did. If you don't like the policy then then don't join the alliance. CCP will not penalize someone for this kind of action. If you raise enough of a stink about the whole thing then they will just change the EULA to make this action legal. Good point and exactly why I say... Just let it slide dude. Would you want some idiot trying to get you banned because he's a nit picking ***? You can't do ** with a character login name anyways. With someone's login name you're about .025% closer to getting into the account. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:10:00 - [45] Originally by: Raivi Edited by: Raivi on 18/01/2007 18:59:21 CCP will not penalize someone for this kind of action. If you raise enough of a stink about the whole thing then they will just change the EULA to make this action legal. I doubt that. The corps in question get nothing from doing it really and it's deffinetly legal rocky ground to allow it. Plus in light of the huge rise of account hacking lately it's blatently stupid to allow players to ask for another players login name. Not "joining the alliance" has nothing to do with it since anyone who really wants to do so can clear their account list and create bogus names easily bypassing this step. The real reason to argue about this is some trusting person IS going to hand out his login name then make the mistake of using his EVE password for his corp forums and get his account hacked. It WILL happen. There is nothing to be gained from letting it happen.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Raivi Edited by: Raivi on 18/01/2007 18:59:21 I think some of you need to understand the difference between the letter and the spirit of the EULA. I just tried to imagine a lawyer trying to explain the "spirit" of a document like the EULA to a judge. My guess is he would stick to the letter. Originally by: Raivi ... then they will just change the EULA to make this action legal. There is no way the EULA can make anything legal/illegal because it is not a law.
Admai Sket	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:10:00 - [47] LMAO at confusion of the OP. No-one in LV is that low. LV is a good alliance.... BRING SHARKY AND GEORGE TO DVD
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:11:00 - [48] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO You can't do **** with a character login name anyways. With someone's login name you're about .025% closer to getting into the account. No offense but that's just pure hogwash and you are speaking about something you know nothing about. Keeping login names hidden is almost as important as keeping your password hidden for laymen who rarely keep secure passwords.
Holden Friendly Caldari Lucky Hydra Corp	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:11:00 - [49] I vote for vigilante justice. Who will form an angry mob with me?
Zhu Dark Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Holden Friendly Here's a "screenshot of my hard drive" if any corps want to verify my identity. http://eve-files.com/dl/83150 Haha, maybe they're just trying to make sure you don't use crappy hardware and lag out?
smashsmash	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:12:00 - [51] i think it would be wise for ccp to put some sort of safer verification system directly in game for this purpose. like one that lets you send people a confirmation in game of what your alts are for that account or if two people are related or something.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:12:00 - [52] I personally don't have a problem with it, but it being a EULA violation is enough for me to give anyone who asks for it the ,,i,, Your corp sucks anyway. I'd be curious to know if everyone already in the corp had to do the same thing. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:15:00 - [53] Originally by: smashsmash i think it would be wise for ccp to put some sort of safer verification system directly in game for this purpose. like one that lets you send people a confirmation in game of what your alts are for that account or if two people are related or something. Not even CCP has the power to know what accounts you have. Theres really no way to design such a system to be foolproof. Although they could implement a system that allows you to let someone temporarily see which CHARACTERS login from the same IP address. As long as the IP isn't shown and only the characters themselves are shown. This would prolly help a good bit in what people are really trying to acomplish.
Beef Hardslab The 5 Amigo's LLC.	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:16:00 - [54] Originally by: Sorela No offense but that's just pure hogwash and you are speaking about something you know nothing about. Keeping login names hidden is almost as important as keeping your password hidden for laymen who rarely keep secure passwords. Especially as (as far as I can tell) there is no sa*uard for "guessing" passwords. There doesn't seem to be one of those "enter the wrong password 5 times in a row and you can't login for 24 hours" or something. So, with someone's login name, a script kiddy could get a brute force *er and set it up to continously try new passwords until it gets it right. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by:** Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:17:00 - [55] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO You can't do **** with a character login name anyways. With someone's login name you're about .025% closer to getting into the account. After you have eliminated the need to fish for random account names you are not only halfway there, you went a hell of a lot further.
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:21:00 - [56] Originally by: Beef Hardslab Especially as (as far as I can tell) there is no sa***uard for "guessing" passwords. That's even worse if true. I bet there is actually a limit on brute forcing the PW but a lot of people do use horrible PW's so brute forcing them doesn't take many tries. There is also the fact that most of this stuff is done through screenshots so we've got people with screenshots on eve files or whatever with login names and who knows who will find them.
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:24:00 - [57] Any corp that demands to know your account name is one you probably don't want to be a member of. Get to get other players first, make sure they are cool and not silly like these guys seem to be, than apply. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:25:00 - [58] Oh boy following up on my last thought I just went to eve files and searched for login. The large majority of the screens were character logins but I did find several very quickly with login names in clear sight. This is a HUGE problem from a security standpoint. We can't even change our user names.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:25:00 - [59] A member of ISD in a thread I can't find said that obtaining a login name is useless. That's why I said what I said. Secondly, its not like the guy got your login anyways so quit trying to fry the guy. CCP isn't going to do anything because his intentions were not malicious. They will most likely give him a warning. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Bawldeux IV Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:26:00 - [60] Originally by: Eldo Davip If you think this is a problem then please petition the GMs. AFAIK I know this is standard policy with many alliances. I'm not sure if this is a EULA violation or not Secondly, I think you can clean out the login screen list so that only one account is listed. Thirdly, Originally by: RevelationX Also, LV is a huge alliance so they can do what they want, even get player banned without reason..... Proof, please. Don't try to troll this way. Such GM ban actions are not treated lightly and viewed in a very serious manner. WTF!!! Since when in the heck did a CCP volunteer have the right to proclaim this sort of crap as OK????????????? Mods should stfu on CCP proclaiming policy on abuse of the game concerning security of the accounts. Stick to modding the forums. as the OP has shown, it is a clear violation of the rules OF THE GAME USAGE (mods enforce rules on the forums, not in the game, nor of the games rules against this very thing.) I have never heard of any alliance demanding screenies of the login, so they can see how many accounts you have! Report this to a GM, i.e.petition it!

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