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Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
381
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:07:38 -
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I don't know what's with you guys adding stuff that reduces the amount of conflict in the game, seems to me like a good way to kill it, but since we're stuck with this un-EVE design philosophy, could you at least make MJD field generators require a little bit of skill?
Either make it jump whoever the user has targeted at the time of activation, or jump whatever is in a narrow (5-10 degree) cone?
Or, you know, add a counter <3
GÖÑ
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Iain Cariaba
2253
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:11:29 -
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Niraia wrote:I don't know what's with you guys adding stuff that reduces the amount of conflict in the game, seems to me like a good way to kill it, but since we're stuck with this un-EVE design philosophy, could you at least make MJD field generators require a little bit of skill?
Either make it jump whoever the user has targeted at the time of activation, or jump whatever is in a narrow (5-10 degree) cone?
Or, you know, add a counter <3 Counter? Stay more than 6km from one. Seems simple enough to me.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
381
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:14:08 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote: Counter? Stay more than 6km from one. Seems simple enough to me.
I trained for ships bigger than cruisers, and would like to use them in combat.
GÖÑ
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4051
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:16:56 -
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Doesn't scrambling the destroyer stop it? |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2440
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:20:38 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Doesn't scrambling the destroyer stop it?
Locking a destroyer and activating a module on it under 6 seconds is not small feat for a battleship... |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3865
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:26:48 -
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sorry to hear your blob got nerfed
Oh god.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4051
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:31:11 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Doesn't scrambling the destroyer stop it? Locking a destroyer and activating a module on it under 6 seconds is not small feat for a battleship...
Is the concept of 'bring support' dead then? |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3866
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:37:40 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Doesn't scrambling the destroyer stop it? Locking a destroyer and activating a module on it under 6 seconds is not small feat for a battleship... Is the concept of 'bring support' dead then? With diminishing returns on fleets appearing soon, certainly seems that way I'm not syaing the idea of bringing support is dead, but I think we might see some more solo BS soon whether that's good or bad, i don't know
Oh god.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
2100
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:45:24 -
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Niraia wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Counter? Stay more than 6km from one. Seems simple enough to me.
I trained for ships bigger than cruisers, and would like to use them in combat.
align on opposite direction and MJD back...
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Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
381
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:50:34 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:align on opposite direction and MJD back...
What if there is more than one of them! What then!
GÖÑ
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2441
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:51:05 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Doesn't scrambling the destroyer stop it? Locking a destroyer and activating a module on it under 6 seconds is not small feat for a battleship... Is the concept of 'bring support' dead then?
No it's not dead but it can still happen and while you might realise what being in a BS imply, some people don't. There is a scan resolution threshold that a ship must pass for "well just scram it" to be an effective counter just like you need certain parameters for "just fly 6k away" to work also. The battleship is still left with less effective options than any other ship affected by the jump field generator to counter it.
Kagura Nikon wrote: align on opposite direction and MJD back...
You might get scrammed in your own spool-up. The destroyer will lock you fast enough that's for sure. |
Ria Nieyli
37471
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:59:31 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Doesn't scrambling the destroyer stop it? Locking a destroyer and activating a module on it under 6 seconds is not small feat for a battleship... Is the concept of 'bring support' dead then? With diminishing returns on fleets appearing soon, certainly seems that way I'm not syaing the idea of bringing support is dead, but I think we might see some more solo BS soon whether that's good or bad, i don't know
Good luck with that, you can no longer split gangs because of Command Destroyers. |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:03:23 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Doesn't scrambling the destroyer stop it? Locking a destroyer and activating a module on it under 6 seconds is not small feat for a battleship... Is the concept of 'bring support' dead then? With diminishing returns on fleets appearing soon, certainly seems that way I'm not syaing the idea of bringing support is dead, but I think we might see some more solo BS soon whether that's good or bad, i don't know
what do you mean with diminishing returns on fleets appearing soon? Which change are you refering to?
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1391
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:10:39 -
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Niraia wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Counter? Stay more than 6km from one. Seems simple enough to me.
I trained for ships bigger than cruisers, and would like to use them in combat.
So what you're saying is that, while you acknowledge that there are counters, you feel that the game must be balanced around your inability or unwillingness to apply those counters.
You asked for a counter. Counters exist. The fact that not every ship can counter a given thing is pretty standard stuff, last I checked.
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Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
381
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:15:16 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Niraia wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Counter? Stay more than 6km from one. Seems simple enough to me.
I trained for ships bigger than cruisers, and would like to use them in combat. So what you're saying is that, while you acknowledge that there are counters, you feel that the game must be balanced around your inability or unwillingness to apply those counters. You asked for a counter. Counters exist. The fact that not every ship can counter a given thing is pretty standard stuff, last I checked.
You could read the post before rudely and obtusely telling me what I'm saying.
I asked for there to be some element of skill in using Command Destroyers.
If you have nothing constructive to post, could you not post? Thanks!
GÖÑ
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1391
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:21:47 -
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Niraia wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Niraia wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Counter? Stay more than 6km from one. Seems simple enough to me.
I trained for ships bigger than cruisers, and would like to use them in combat. So what you're saying is that, while you acknowledge that there are counters, you feel that the game must be balanced around your inability or unwillingness to apply those counters. You asked for a counter. Counters exist. The fact that not every ship can counter a given thing is pretty standard stuff, last I checked. You could read the post before rudely and obtusely telling me what I'm saying. I asked for there to be some element of skill in using Command Destroyers. If you have nothing constructive to post, could you not post? Thanks!
If you don't want to be treated like a whiny **** poster, don't make whiny **** posts. CDs are fine. Have a friend toss a scram on them and the problem is solved.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Ria Nieyli
37471
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:33:08 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Niraia wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Niraia wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Counter? Stay more than 6km from one. Seems simple enough to me.
I trained for ships bigger than cruisers, and would like to use them in combat. So what you're saying is that, while you acknowledge that there are counters, you feel that the game must be balanced around your inability or unwillingness to apply those counters. You asked for a counter. Counters exist. The fact that not every ship can counter a given thing is pretty standard stuff, last I checked. You could read the post before rudely and obtusely telling me what I'm saying. I asked for there to be some element of skill in using Command Destroyers. If you have nothing constructive to post, could you not post? Thanks! If you don't want to be treated like a whiny **** poster, don't make whiny **** posts. CDs are fine. Have a friend toss a scram on them and the problem is solved.
How do you scram someone at 100km out? |
elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
993
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:36:39 -
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Niraia wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:align on opposite direction and MJD back... What if there is more than one of them! What then!
Then daisy chaining is working as intended and you can warp back to the station since you are > 150km away.
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Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
381
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:40:05 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:If you don't want to be treated like a whiny **** poster, don't make whiny **** posts. CDs are fine. Have a friend toss a scram on them and the problem is solved.
If you can't behave yourself in a feedback forum, where posts are supposed to be constructive, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to post in it.
GÖÑ
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2442
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:41:20 -
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elitatwo wrote:Niraia wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:align on opposite direction and MJD back... What if there is more than one of them! What then! Then daisy chaining is working as intended and you can warp back to the station since you are > 150km away.
Hold on while I turn this barn around... |
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
959
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:47:23 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Niraia wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Counter? Stay more than 6km from one. Seems simple enough to me.
I trained for ships bigger than cruisers, and would like to use them in combat. So what you're saying is that, while you acknowledge that there are counters, you feel that the game must be balanced around your inability or unwillingness to apply those counters. You asked for a counter. Counters exist. The fact that not every ship can counter a given thing is pretty standard stuff, last I checked.
Wait. So if a counter exists, then it's balanced? By that logic, I guess that means OGBs are fine then. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1391
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:51:33 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Niraia wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Counter? Stay more than 6km from one. Seems simple enough to me.
I trained for ships bigger than cruisers, and would like to use them in combat. So what you're saying is that, while you acknowledge that there are counters, you feel that the game must be balanced around your inability or unwillingness to apply those counters. You asked for a counter. Counters exist. The fact that not every ship can counter a given thing is pretty standard stuff, last I checked. Wait. So if a counter exists, then it's balanced? By that logic, I guess that means OGBs are fine then.
I didn't say "A counter exists, therefore it's balanced", I said, "You asked for a counter and counters exist."
The literacy rate around here is rock ******* bottom.
That said, given that they can only do what the OP is crying about from WELL within scram range, and that anything smaller than a battleship should beat the spool time, I'd say it's quite balanced. If you get dragged, it's because you got caught out.
The OP's argument against those counters is that they basically like to fly the ONLY class of ship that is both not immune to MJGs, and has little hope of locking one up in time without SEBOs, so like any disingenuous whine-bot, she's pretending like there is no counter.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2442
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:53:54 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Niraia wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Counter? Stay more than 6km from one. Seems simple enough to me.
I trained for ships bigger than cruisers, and would like to use them in combat. So what you're saying is that, while you acknowledge that there are counters, you feel that the game must be balanced around your inability or unwillingness to apply those counters. You asked for a counter. Counters exist. The fact that not every ship can counter a given thing is pretty standard stuff, last I checked. Wait. So if a counter exists, then it's balanced? By that logic, I guess that means OGBs are fine then. I didn't say "A counter exists, therefore it's balanced", I said, "You asked for a counter and counters exist." The literacy rate around here is rock ******* bottom. That said, given that they can only do what the OP is crying about from WELL within scram range, and that anything smaller than a battleship should beat the spool time, I'd say it's quite balanced. If you get dragged, it's because you got caught out.
Does this qualify as a #firstworldbattleshipproblem ? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1391
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:56:30 -
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More like a #friendlessbattleshipproblem.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
382
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Posted - 2015.12.28 18:06:21 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:The literacy rate around here is rock ******* bottom.
At least some of us are capable of making a point without swearing and insulting everyone.
SurrenderMonkey wrote:That said, given that they can only do what the OP is crying about from WELL within scram range, and that anything smaller than a battleship should beat the spool time, I'd say it's quite balanced. If you get dragged, it's because you got caught out.
More insults. Why are you posting with an industrial alt, anyway?
SurrenderMonkey wrote:The OP's argument against those counters is that they basically like to fly the ONLY class of ship that is both not immune to MJGs, and has little hope of locking one up in time without SEBOs, so like any disingenuous whine-bot, she's pretending like there is no counter.
Hey, more insults. Did you have a point you wanted to make, or are you just going to keep saying I'm whining while missing the point entirely?
It would be nice if you could post something constructive instead! You can do it! :)
GÖÑ
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1392
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Posted - 2015.12.28 18:14:30 -
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Niraia wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:The literacy rate around here is rock ******* bottom. At least some of us are capable of making a point without swearing and insulting everyone. SurrenderMonkey wrote:That said, given that they can only do what the OP is crying about from WELL within scram range, and that anything smaller than a battleship should beat the spool time, I'd say it's quite balanced. If you get dragged, it's because you got caught out. More insults. Why are you posting with an industrial alt, anyway? SurrenderMonkey wrote:The OP's argument against those counters is that they basically like to fly the ONLY class of ship that is both not immune to MJGs, and has little hope of locking one up in time without SEBOs, so like any disingenuous whine-bot, she's pretending like there is no counter. Hey, more insults. Did you have a point you wanted to make, or are you just going to keep saying I'm whining while missing the point entirely? It would be nice if you could post something constructive instead! You can do it! :)
Got anything to say that isn't a tone argument?
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Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
382
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Posted - 2015.12.28 18:17:28 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Niraia wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:The literacy rate around here is rock ******* bottom. At least some of us are capable of making a point without swearing and insulting everyone. SurrenderMonkey wrote:That said, given that they can only do what the OP is crying about from WELL within scram range, and that anything smaller than a battleship should beat the spool time, I'd say it's quite balanced. If you get dragged, it's because you got caught out. More insults. Why are you posting with an industrial alt, anyway? SurrenderMonkey wrote:The OP's argument against those counters is that they basically like to fly the ONLY class of ship that is both not immune to MJGs, and has little hope of locking one up in time without SEBOs, so like any disingenuous whine-bot, she's pretending like there is no counter. Hey, more insults. Did you have a point you wanted to make, or are you just going to keep saying I'm whining while missing the point entirely? It would be nice if you could post something constructive instead! You can do it! :) Got anything to say that isn't a tone argument?
That isn't very constructive. See the OP for my thoughts.
GÖÑ
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Iain Cariaba
2254
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Posted - 2015.12.28 18:18:54 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Niraia wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:The literacy rate around here is rock ******* bottom. At least some of us are capable of making a point without swearing and insulting everyone. SurrenderMonkey wrote:That said, given that they can only do what the OP is crying about from WELL within scram range, and that anything smaller than a battleship should beat the spool time, I'd say it's quite balanced. If you get dragged, it's because you got caught out. More insults. Why are you posting with an industrial alt, anyway? SurrenderMonkey wrote:The OP's argument against those counters is that they basically like to fly the ONLY class of ship that is both not immune to MJGs, and has little hope of locking one up in time without SEBOs, so like any disingenuous whine-bot, she's pretending like there is no counter. Hey, more insults. Did you have a point you wanted to make, or are you just going to keep saying I'm whining while missing the point entirely? It would be nice if you could post something constructive instead! You can do it! :) Got anything to say that isn't a tone argument? Because sometimes the truth hurts and they have to respond on an emotional level to balance the hurt.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
382
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Posted - 2015.12.28 18:26:56 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Because sometimes the truth hurts and they have to respond on an emotional level to balance the hurt.
Does anyone have anything constructive to say?
GÖÑ
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
92
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Posted - 2015.12.28 19:01:57 -
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Temporary closed for cleaning.
ISD Max Trix
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