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Capitol One Snuff Box Snuffed Out 188	Posted - 2015.12.28 22:52:28 - [1] - Quote In its current form, the RMJD is very overpowered and hard to counter. A relatively small group (10-15) can wreak havoc on an organized fleet with little penalty or counter play. My suggested change would be thus: Make the RMJD module targeted instead of being AOE. So if you want to jump a 10 man logistics group away, you need to bring 10 command destroyers. It would also give more time to counter-scram the destroyer.
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 993	Posted - 2015.12.28 23:28:12 - [2] - Quote This could be the text for a new EVE song about blobbing and that poor little ship with his 8256347569276571345678 logi buddies that couldn't.. Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 570	Posted - 2015.12.29 00:07:56 - [3] - Quote Capitol One wrote: Make the RMJD module targeted instead of being AOE. . That would destroy the entire purpose of the ship... It is meant to break apart other fleets.
mrjknyazev Cookies Dealers The Gorgon Empire 5	Posted - 2015.12.29 01:25:50 - [4] - Quote Allow your logi pilots to fly by themselves, instead of orbiting an anchor.
Capitol One Snuff Box Snuffed Out 188	Posted - 2015.12.29 02:56:48 - [5] - Quote mrjknyazev wrote: Allow your logi pilots to fly by themselves, instead of orbiting an anchor. That is very hard when the rep range is about 12km.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2830	Posted - 2015.12.29 03:14:50 - [6] - Quote Capitol One wrote: So if you want to jump a 10 man logistics group away, you need to bring 10 command destroyers. It would also give more time to counter-scram the destroyer. The way I see it is this: you've got to ask yourself one question. You've got to decide if you want your logi group to stay on top of the fleet, or separated in a satellite group. You've got to ask yourself: "do I feel safe?" Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm The Succubus looks meaner But the Revenant cleaner Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
Mr Twinkie Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture 33	Posted - 2015.12.29 04:38:27 - [7] - Quote I actually like the targeted idea. But instead have it effect all ships that are currently locked and not just one. MAMBA Head of IT
Jacob Gault PH0ENIX COMPANY Phoenix Company Alliance 0	Posted - 2015.12.29 04:45:59 - [8] - Quote It would just be easier to only allow one to run when turn on. In other words, once a ship turns it's MJU on other one could not be turn on next to it. You would need to space out a bit more in order to use yours or wait for near by unit one to jump away to run yours.
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 996	Posted - 2015.12.29 05:34:30 - [9] - Quote Jacob Gault wrote: It would just be easier to only allow one to run when turn on. In other words, once a ship turns it's MJU on other one could not be turn on next to it. You would need to space out a bit more in order to use yours or wait for near by unit one to jump away to run yours....If you don't like it Im not sure what to tell you.. enjoy the sand box mate... LOL In case you are one of those that cannot undock without your logi buddies that keep your stabber alive while you "fight" a Harbinger, maybe you could reduce your waiting time by doing the tutorial again before you undock next time. Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Kenrailae mind games. Suddenly Spaceships. 534	Posted - 2015.12.29 10:56:01 - [10] - Quote Command destroyers are great in smaller gang. I am not sure how I feel about them in larger gang yet. They DO seem to carry quite a bit higher of a force multiplier value than just about any other single ship. A falcon has a maximum number of people it can jam. A Huginn a maximum it can web, a dread a finite limit to how many it can lock and apply damage to in relative quick succession, an archon an upper limit on how much it can rep. These things do not. They are very small, light ships that's only upper limit is how many people are in range, not scrammed. The argument of 'just scram it,' again, works in smaller scale. But even getting into 10-15, it becomes untenable. I would be more in favor to an upper mass limit or number of entities sort of upper limit imposed on them. The Law is a point of View
Top Guac Mexican Avacado Syndicate 69	Posted - 2015.12.29 11:00:47 - [11] - Quote Niraia already has a thread with this very same idea. Did we really need another. Snuff really have gone downhill. Can't even forum.
Kenrailae mind games. Suddenly Spaceships. 534	Posted - 2015.12.29 11:22:20 - [12] - Quote Top Guac wrote: Niraia already has a thread with this very same idea. Did we really need another. Snuff really have gone downhill. Can't even forum. I know this is an odd concept, so bear with me, but some people actually play Eve to play Eve; not everyone spends half their time shedding braincells on reddit. Niraia's thread is titled command destroyers, which does not implicitly imply their RMJD functionality. Without reading the thread, it is easy to see how someone(s), as multiple people have responded to this thread, did not look at that thread because it did not grab our attention as being about RMJD's. I'm sure the concept of playing Eve will be foreign to you, so I don't expect you to understand. Thank you for trying though. The Law is a point of View
Kagura Nikon Bon Jovian Drifters Did he say Jump 2105	Posted - 2015.12.29 12:08:53 - [13] - Quote Capitol One wrote: In its current form, the RMJD is very overpowered and hard to counter. A relatively small group (10-15) can wreak havoc on an organized fleet with little penalty or counter play. My suggested change would be thus: Make the RMJD module targeted instead of being AOE. So if you want to jump a 10 man logistics group away, you need to bring 10 command destroyers. It would also give more time to counter-scram the destroyer. I think the idea of the module was exactly that. Make organized fleets less prevalent and make individual capability of adapt and do the best possible after the fleet is scattered matter more. LEts be honest, there are tons of self proclaimed pvpers out there that if they are scattered in grid they are completely unable to fly by themselves to tackle important targets or to regroup in an effective way without the FC explaining everything bit by bit. This ship will make personal skill and perception of the battle very relevant again "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
Soldarius O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore 1436	Posted - 2015.12.29 15:07:34 - [14] - Quote Capitol One wrote: mrjknyazev wrote: Allow your logi pilots to fly by themselves, instead of orbiting an anchor. That is very hard when the rep range is about 12km. Optimal + falloff is actually better than before. You just don't get as much raw rep power at that range. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 524	Posted - 2015.12.29 17:06:55 - [15] - Quote Kenrailae wrote: Command destroyers are great in smaller gang. I am not sure how I feel about them in larger gang yet. They DO seem to carry quite a bit higher of a force multiplier value than just about any other single ship. A falcon has a maximum number of people it can jam. A Huginn a maximum it can web, a dread a finite limit to how many it can lock and apply damage to in relative quick succession, an archon an upper limit on how much it can rep. These things do not. They are very small, light ships that's only upper limit is how many people are in range, not scrammed. The argument of 'just scram it,' again, works in smaller scale. But even getting into 10-15, it becomes untenable. I would be more in favor to an upper mass limit or number of entities sort of upper limit imposed on them. Keep in mind, in your examples that a falcon and huginn have a much larger sphere of influence. The ship is designed to scale well, it is meant to be at the head of the fleet with 2 different fleet bonuses (Boosts and the MJD). Kenrailae wrote: These things do not. They are very small, light ships that's only upper limit is how many people are in range, not scrammed. The argument of 'just scram it,' again, works in smaller scale. But even getting into 10-15, it becomes untenable. I would be more in favor to an upper mass limit or number of entities sort of upper limit imposed on them. I'm envisioning a scram chain to match the guardian cap chain.... 1 up 1 down . TBH, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the utility of using these when you have a fleet travelling through nulsec that isn't nullified and either can't equip, or doesn't want to equip an MJD of their own. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9909	Posted - 2015.12.29 17:08:17 - [16] - Quote What's in your wallet? Bad ideas, apparently... Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 829	Posted - 2015.12.29 17:09:57 - [17] - Quote The part where this can mess with big fleets is exactly why this should stay lol. EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Kenrailae Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 536	Posted - 2015.12.30 01:58:39 - [18] - Quote Hopelesshobo wrote: Keep in mind, in your examples that a falcon and huginn have a much larger sphere of influence. The ship is designed to scale well, it is meant to be at the head of the fleet with 2 different fleet bonuses (Boosts and the MJD). Yeah, there is that. I hadn't specifically thought of that. But it's still a numbers game. In the example fight this is referring to(Ikoskio or however it's spelled), the vast fleet size differences still made these things extremely powerful for the larger side, and not a viable option for the smaller side. There are about a billion and one other arguments that can be had between point A and point Z, including Legion logi, slippery petes, min/maxed mach fleets, Grr Goons, supers, titans, slow cats, fighting, not fighting...... I'm not going to bog discussion down in any of those, reddit has that covered I'm sure. At the end of all of it, we still get down to the vast swathes of much larger, in fact some of the largest non-capital ships in the game, these things can just whisk away en masse. I agree their 'impact' range is rather small, but within that, it's ability to force multiply is unparalleled. I do think the RMJD/G should have an upper limit, be it locked targets, mass, number of entities, something. That goes for both disrupting an enemy fleet and trying to save one of your own. A single Falcon is annoying, but still largely ineffective, in larger fleets. One of these things can still be brutally effective. Yes, I know Ikoskio used a wing of 10 or something. That was just good planning. In no way do I want these removed, just some sort of upper limit imposed. The Law is a point of View
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 2871	Posted - 2015.12.30 02:17:13 - [19] - Quote My only complaint is how disorienting they can be. I'd rather they had some sort of rapid warp or movement animation to kind of show you where you went. I'm not a computer, so triangulating myself off suddenly larger distances means more zooming out and camera spinning to get my bearings. Not entirely unbearable, but still annoying.
Lugh Crow-Slave 1357	Posted - 2015.12.30 08:48:31 - [20] - Quote The counter you ate looking for is a hic several 37km scrams will turn off most mjfg long enough to kill them However ffs the command dessies need a speed nerf Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
Bad Messenger Rehabilitation Clinic 859	Posted - 2015.12.30 08:55:15 - [21] - Quote Capitol One wrote: mrjknyazev wrote: Allow your logi pilots to fly by themselves, instead of orbiting an anchor. That is very hard when the rep range is about 12km. Did i get it right? You have tactic that does not work and you want that CCP changes game mechanics to make it work?
Lugh Crow-Slave 1357	Posted - 2015.12.30 09:03:55 - [22] - Quote Capitol One wrote: mrjknyazev wrote: Allow your logi pilots to fly by themselves, instead of orbiting an anchor. That is very hard when the rep range is about 12km. Not really I did it all the time in blops fleets Or does however take a bit more effort and attention Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
RcTamiya SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart. 45	Posted - 2015.12.30 09:41:23 - [23] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: The counter you ate looking for is a hic several 37km scrams will turn off most mjfg long enough to kill them failcon disagrees. Bhaalgorn laughs at you Armageddon giggles. Jammgu asks for more Targets. Nope. 37km scramb vs 2 CDs @100k
Sigras Conglomo 1102	Posted - 2015.12.30 09:45:43 - [24] - Quote Capitol One wrote: mrjknyazev wrote: Allow your logi pilots to fly by themselves, instead of orbiting an anchor. That is very hard when the rep range is about 12km. Last I checked, logistics cruisers had > 30 km range with additional falloff. Even logistics frigates have major falloff beyond 12km. We need more AOE effects to counter blobs, not less.
Morrigan LeSante Senex Legio The OSS 946	Posted - 2015.12.30 10:14:29 - [25] - Quote Yes but chaining is 100% unstoppable and is yet another nail in the coffin of not-small ships. It can be worked around, but the impact is a bit disproportionate to the investment. The mechanic is basically fine, but the lack of counterplay to chained jumps is....meh.
Capitol One Snuff Box Snuffed Out 188	Posted - 2015.12.30 17:50:54 - [26] - Quote The mechanic is OP, especially when used by the blob. These things will always benefit the larger fleet because they will have more command destroyers to throw at you and more tackle to keep things pinned down. It's not possible to counter them by offensively scramming them, we've tried. Either too many are warped in at once that overwhelm your anti-cd ships, and since there's no limit to how many CD's can activate their RMJD in a closed space, you only need 1 to activate. Then there's chain jumping, which there's no offensive counter to. Basically, there's no offensive counter to these ships, you have to scram yourself. The ability of these ships is far too powerful considering there are no drawbacks or actual offensive counters to them. There's no AOE anti micro jump drive module, you can't jam them or damp them to reduce their effectiveness. Their tank is too high to be smartbombed realistically. So yes, CCP once again released an untested mechanic that is far too powerful without much thought beyond "this should shake things up". In reality it only benefits small gang ganks and large blobs to **** over a smaller fleets even harder.
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 831	Posted - 2015.12.31 04:40:41 - [27] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: The counter you ate looking for is a hic several 37km scrams will turn off most mjfg long enough to kill them However ffs the command dessies need a speed nerf No the speed needs to stay if CCP are to ever implement on grid links. Otherwise nano gangs are as good as dead. EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

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