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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:26:00 -
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Changes that need to be made to solve this problem.
1. log off/ drop timer made 15 minutes regardless of aggro.
If you want to log off in space in 0.0 space you should have to find an empty system to do it in. Or just baby sit your character for the 15 minute timer to avoid being probed. Currently, the 15 minute timer only applies when someone has actually been able to lock and aggro you.
This was implemented to counter the ppl who logged off during a fight and disappeared before their ship exploded. It also saved the pod as well since no one could probe it fast enough to get it. Sadly, the measure only went half way. PPl just log the instant anyone enters local or the instant their screen loads and they are still cloaked.
2. POS shields should act as a warp bubble/scrambler to all ships inside the shields.
Might be a pain in the ass to have to fly out of the shields every time you want to warp away but fair is fair. If not this then you should still have to baby sit you character for 15 minutes while the timer counts down.
3. Make disrupter bubbles stop emergancy warps.
This is to prevent CTRL+Q exploiting the emergency warp while you wait out your 15 minute timer. They got you fair and square. Figure out a way to survive without cheating.
4. If a dictor launches a bubble it should not be able to jump. It needs to be a form of aggro.
Fair is fair. No more just sitting on the gate launching bubbles every time the gate fires. If you launch it you better be prepared to fight whatever decloaks cause you will be inside the bubble too.
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:32:00 -
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The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round....
I've an idea.
How about...logging off within 150KM of a gate results in your ship not disappearing for 15-30 minutes no matter what. Logging off after any type of 'aggressive' act (being targeted, scrambled, bubbled, etc) has been started results in your ship not disappearing for 15-30 minutes. Grand, isn't it? Now the real pirates with skill can track you down and destroy you if they wish.
And here's part 2 of my idea. Scrambling and bubbles no longer work within 150KM of a gate without a...hmm...something nearby. The general idea would be a game mechanic allowing them to work as part of warfare, but not for the general hoards of people who want easy kills. Poof. Noobs/lazy/impatient people/and those who just got caught with their pants down on a bad day no longer have to worry about silly little gate camps.
And there we have it. Non-pirates/travellers are now free to waltz through gates assuming there isn't enough firepower on the other side of the gate to destroy their ship quickly, but are more likely than not going to be destroyed if they attempt to log off. Pirates would no longer be stuck having to watch single points in systems and are instead free to roam the entire system for opportunities to display their incredible finesse in target destruction.
No more "I win" button for either side. If there is a flaw with my reasoning other than "But I want to be able to stop itty bitty ships at the gate because they pose no threat and I can kill them easy!" or "But I want to be able to get away for free if big, bad pirate comes in and I know I won't be able to warp away before he can do something agressive 'cause I forgot to align!" then feel free to point them out and I will revise. Undoubtedly, these are the two main arguments I'd get against the ideas I mentioned up above.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:33:00 -
[93]
 Originally by: Strel Samodelkin
Originally by: Roshan longshot
But I also have to remind every one the original player guide states..."If you get in above your head...just log off"
Thats right. Yeah. Pwned!
That's refering to PvE. That player guide was written before logging off in a bubble worked, when logging off in combat was generally considered an ill advised career move (even with lower aggro timers).
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:34:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Miss CJB
well, in which case, they should replace the logoffski, with a valid ingame tacktic, which doesnt involve logging off. but logging off itself should not be part of the game mechanics to avoid combat imo.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:34:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Malicia Skirj
The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round....
I've an idea.
How about...logging off within 150KM of a gate results in your ship not disappearing for 15-30 minutes no matter what. Logging off after any type of 'aggressive' act (being targeted, scrambled, bubbled, etc) has been started results in your ship not disappearing for 15-30 minutes. Grand, isn't it? Now the real pirates with skill can track you down and destroy you if they wish.
And here's part 2 of my idea. Scrambling and bubbles no longer work within 150KM of a gate without a...hmm...something nearby. The general idea would be a game mechanic allowing them to work as part of warfare, but not for the general hoards of people who want easy kills. Poof. Noobs/lazy/impatient people/and those who just got caught with their pants down on a bad day no longer have to worry about silly little gate camps.
And there we have it. Non-pirates/travellers are now free to waltz through gates assuming there isn't enough firepower on the other side of the gate to destroy their ship quickly, but are more likely than not going to be destroyed if they attempt to log off. Pirates would no longer be stuck having to watch single points in systems and are instead free to roam the entire system for opportunities to display their incredible finesse in target destruction.
No more "I win" button for either side. If there is a flaw with my reasoning other than "But I want to be able to stop itty bitty ships at the gate because they pose no threat and I can kill them easy!" or "But I want to be able to get away for free if big, bad pirate comes in and I know I won't be able to warp away before he can do something agressive 'cause I forgot to align!" then feel free to point them out and I will revise. Undoubtedly, these are the two main arguments I'd get against the ideas I mentioned up above.
how do you secure an entry point to your territory then?
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Nero Scuro
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Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:38:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Malicia Skirj
And here's part 2 of my idea. Scrambling and bubbles no longer work within 150KM of a gate without a...hmm...something nearby. The general idea would be a game mechanic allowing them to work as part of warfare, but not for the general hoards of people who want easy kills. Poof. Noobs/lazy/impatient people/and those who just got caught with their pants down on a bad day no longer have to worry about silly little gate camps.
Oh... oh man... such a baaaaaaaaad idea...
How do you suppose alliances protect their space, huh? Get into a 20+ blob of sensor boostered BS every single time you want to guard a system? Niiiice.
Also, say goodbye to taking down POS when that indy with inertia stabs full of strontium flies past your camp laughing. POS become invulnerable.
Such a... bad idea. It hurts it's so bad...
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Janus Lee
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:39:00 -
[97]
Originally by: DarkFenix
No. Quite simply, no. If a person is locked onto and warp scrambled, they won't warp off when they log off. Ergo, if a person is warp scrambled by a warp bubble, they shouldn't warp off either. It is the simple rules of the game, warp scrambled ships don't warp. If they do, something is wrong.
Has it ever occurred to you that it's not an unintentional bug but one CCP has put in as a compromise between server drops and intentional logging? CCP assumes that if a ship is warp scrambled, the client was there long enough and it is more likely an intentional log than not. Whereas with gate bubbles, they are set up precisely where there is a higher chance of lag or drop, and thus the warping in behavior is put in place. The lag or dropping may be as much the server's fault as the client's. Hence, the difference in behavior between logging out scrambled versus bubbled.
Until you can name an equally elegant solution to fleets dropping from system jump in, preventing bubble warping is not a solution to the logging off mechanic.
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Malicia Skirj
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:40:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Malicia Skirj
The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round....
I've an idea.
How about...logging off within 150KM of a gate results in your ship not disappearing for 15-30 minutes no matter what. Logging off after any type of 'aggressive' act (being targeted, scrambled, bubbled, etc) has been started results in your ship not disappearing for 15-30 minutes. Grand, isn't it? Now the real pirates with skill can track you down and destroy you if they wish.
And here's part 2 of my idea. Scrambling and bubbles no longer work within 150KM of a gate without a...hmm...something nearby. The general idea would be a game mechanic allowing them to work as part of warfare, but not for the general hoards of people who want easy kills. Poof. Noobs/lazy/impatient people/and those who just got caught with their pants down on a bad day no longer have to worry about silly little gate camps.
And there we have it. Non-pirates/travellers are now free to waltz through gates assuming there isn't enough firepower on the other side of the gate to destroy their ship quickly, but are more likely than not going to be destroyed if they attempt to log off. Pirates would no longer be stuck having to watch single points in systems and are instead free to roam the entire system for opportunities to display their incredible finesse in target destruction.
No more "I win" button for either side. If there is a flaw with my reasoning other than "But I want to be able to stop itty bitty ships at the gate because they pose no threat and I can kill them easy!" or "But I want to be able to get away for free if big, bad pirate comes in and I know I won't be able to warp away before he can do something agressive 'cause I forgot to align!" then feel free to point them out and I will revise. Undoubtedly, these are the two main arguments I'd get against the ideas I mentioned up above.
how do you secure an entry point to your territory then?
If you're a corp or alliance with sovreignity over an area you'd likely have whatever the hell it is I'm trying to think of that'd counter the gates not allowing bubbles.
For example (and this is just an example...take it with a grain of salt). An alliance or corp with a POS or three capital class ships in the system would be allowed to deploy bubbles at the gates. This can be tweaked to allow this only when war decced or something or left as it's worded.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:40:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Janus Lee
Originally by: DarkFenix
No. Quite simply, no. If a person is locked onto and warp scrambled, they won't warp off when they log off. Ergo, if a person is warp scrambled by a warp bubble, they shouldn't warp off either. It is the simple rules of the game, warp scrambled ships don't warp. If they do, something is wrong.
Has it ever occurred to you that it's not an unintentional bug but one CCP has put in as a compromise between server drops and intentional logging? CCP assumes that if a ship is warp scrambled, the client was there long enough and it is more likely an intentional log than not. Whereas with gate bubbles, they are set up precisely where there is a higher chance of lag or drop, and thus the warping in behavior is put in place. The lag or dropping may be as much the server's fault as the client's. Hence, the difference in behavior between logging out scrambled versus bubbled.
Until you can name an equally elegant solution to fleets dropping from system jump in, preventing bubble warping is not a solution to the logging off mechanic.
If that's the case CCP need to fix the lag, not nerf bubbles. It's not the campers fault if CCPs servers suck.
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Malicia Skirj
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:42:00 -
[100]
My previous quote works well for Nero or whatever his name was, as well. In fact, the very reason I had that statement in my original 'plan' was that alliances would still be able to defend and protect their space...so I guess that kinda rules the "but what about alliances" side of this out, eh?
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Daddy's Belt
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:43:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Portios Smith
Not loging off is a tactic fully and completely condoned by the developers used by stupid players to nominally keep their "honor", but who are obviously just masochists posing as tough guys, probably because their mothers spanked them too much when they were teenagers.
I fixed it for Nero.
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Portios Smith
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:45:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Daddy's Belt
Originally by: Portios Smith
Loging off is a tactic condoned by the developers of the game, used by wussy lazy players to avoid using the map and scouting.
I fixed it for you.
One can only assume you are one of the logofski lazy bunch
Oh and I fixed it back.
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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:49:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Unvisibility on 19/01/2007 18:46:40
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Daddy's Belt
Originally by: Portios Smith
Loging off is a tactic condoned by the developers of the game, used by smart players to not lose ships.
I'm mentally retarded, not to mention completely wrong.
I fixed it for you.
Is your sig supposed to be ironic or something? Since it seems to me that you're doing exactly what you appear to be condemning in your sig... and I've noticed you do it a lot.
Edit: And editing other people's quotes in your own posts is such a childish thing to do! It drags this discussion down to the level of 10 year olds in the playground.
Grow up ffs, discuss this like intelligent humans, not like brain-damaged monkeys.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:52:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Malicia Skirj
My previous quote works well for Nero or whatever his name was, as well. In fact, the very reason I had that statement in my original 'plan' was that alliances would still be able to defend and protect their space...so I guess that kinda rules the "but what about alliances" side of this out, eh?
0.0 doesn't work like that. If you can only defend systems with POS in them you can't defend squat. You need to defend chokepoints if you want to stop people from entering a region, and as the many people who've stuck POS in chokepoints will know they don't last long.
It's too easy for some wannabe to hide in lowsec then just jump in and pawn your POS before you have time to go 'wtf?'
Oh, I also forgot to mention pirates - what about them? People tend not to sit around in belts with faction gear y'know? Gatecamps are essential to pirates staying profitable.
You can't warp scramble at gates and you kill PvP. It's where 99% of PvP happens.
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Janus Lee
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:52:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Nero Scuro
If that's the case CCP need to fix the lag, not nerf bubbles. It's not the campers fault if CCPs servers suck.
Sure, except that fixing lag is a much harder problem to solve than logging off behavior. That's why most claims to solve the logging behavior ignore the bigger issue.
A CCP designer himself stated (the same one who I quoted earlier as saying that logging off to avoid death is legal) that he hates when players logoff to avoid death. If the solution was as simple as preventing ships from warping when bubbled, you don't think CCP would have done that in about five minutes? The problem is a much thornier one than just the logging off mechanic because it has to do with server performance and lag.
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Portios Smith
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:54:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Unvisibility
Edited by: Unvisibility on 19/01/2007 18:46:40
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Daddy's Belt
Originally by: Portios Smith
Loging off is a tactic condoned by the developers of the game, used by smart players to not lose ships.
I'm mentally retarded, not to mention completely wrong.
I fixed it for you.
Is your sig supposed to be ironic or something? Since it seems to me that you're doing exactly what you appear to be condemning in your sig... and I've noticed you do it a lot.
Edit: And editing other people's quotes in your own posts is such a childish thing to do! It drags this discussion down to the level of 10 year olds in the playground.
Grow up ffs, discuss this like intelligent humans, not like brain-damaged monkeys.
Daddy's Belt, are you 10?
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2007.01.19 18:55:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Nero Scuro on 19/01/2007 18:54:35
Originally by: Unvisibility
Edited by: Unvisibility on 19/01/2007 18:46:40
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Daddy's Belt
Originally by: Portios Smith
Loging off is a tactic condoned by the developers of the game, used by smart players to not lose ships.
I'm mentally retarded, not to mention completely wrong.
I fixed it for you.
Is your sig supposed to be ironic or something? Since it seems to me that you're doing exactly what you appear to be condemning in your sig... and I've noticed you do it a lot.
That's not a strawnan argument. Do you even know what a strawman argument is?
For clarification, my sig says strawman arguments suck but flaming is great.
EDIT - I see why the line "flaming - because people are stupid" is misleading though. It means I flame because people are stupid, not people flame because they are stupid.
Originally by: Unvisibility
Edit: And editing other people's quotes in your own posts is such a childish thing to do! It drags this discussion down to the level of 10 year olds in the playground.
He started it! :(
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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
That's not a strawnan argument. Do you even know what a strawman argument is?
For clarification, my sig says strawman arguments suck but flaming is great.
Yeah a straw man argument would be if I said something like... "Forcing you to log off only at stations would result in loads of NPC'ers losing ships in missions" and then trying to make it look like you;d argued that point when you hadn't.
However it also says in you sig "as well as personally attacking you" which, correct me if I'm wrong, calling someone "mentally retarded" falls under.
Also, editing someone else's quote, while clearly not intended to be taken as literal truth, falls extremely close to the fallacious methods of straw man arguments.
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
You can't warp scramble at gates and you kill PvP. It's where 99% of PvP happens.
Bingo! The whole game is built around gate camping or gate engagements - it's like you take this super-flexible yoga fanatic and stick a broom pole up it's bottom. That my friend, is a major floor in gate to gate systems of travel and is the major reason this game has so many problem. In almost all other games I know of, camping is considered bad. In Eve, there aren't many alternatives.
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Malicia Skirj
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:09:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Malicia Skirj
My previous quote works well for Nero or whatever his name was, as well. In fact, the very reason I had that statement in my original 'plan' was that alliances would still be able to defend and protect their space...so I guess that kinda rules the "but what about alliances" side of this out, eh?
0.0 doesn't work like that. If you can only defend systems with POS in them you can't defend squat. You need to defend chokepoints if you want to stop people from entering a region, and as the many people who've stuck POS in chokepoints will know they don't last long.
It's too easy for some wannabe to hide in lowsec then just jump in and pawn your POS before you have time to go 'wtf?'
Oh, I also forgot to mention pirates - what about them? People tend not to sit around in belts with faction gear y'know? Gatecamps are essential to pirates staying profitable.
You can't warp scramble at gates and you kill PvP. It's where 99% of PvP happens.
In that case upgrade my comment to 'region they have sovreignity over' as opposed to 'system'. I did say it could be tweaked. As far as alliances defending their areas nothing changes in this respect.
As far as pirates...I have a feeling that nothing will kill PVP in Eve. The good ones will find alternatives and thrive, as they've done with every other change that's been made to the game. In fact, I seem to recall several threads about how WTZ was going to kill piracy and PVP just before it was introduced. I'd wager to say 99% of the pvp happens there because it's drastically easier there.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:11:00 -
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"i've had 3 ppl log off on me yesterday, to save there ships, eavon had an ateron logoff on me today (gate camping with a dictor, loging to escape the bubble). imo, this has gone too far. we keep hearing promise from ccp that there going to do something about it, when?, why wasnt it in the k1?
sorrey, dont usaly make forum post, but it angors me alot, when ppl logoff to save there skin, and theres absulutly nothing you can do about it."
Probably the same way people get angry that they jump through a gate only to discover some lamers are spawn camping at it, and then they get slaughtered, with absolutely NOTHING they can do about it.
Soon as CCP removes the ability to spawn camp they get my full support to do everything to stop logoffski.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:12:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Unvisibility
Originally by: Nero Scuro
That's not a strawnan argument. Do you even know what a strawman argument is?
For clarification, my sig says strawman arguments suck but flaming is great.
Yeah a straw man argument would be if I said something like... "Forcing you to log off only at stations would result in loads of NPC'ers losing ships in missions" and then trying to make it look like you;d argued that point when you hadn't.
However it also says in you sig "as well as personally attacking you" which, correct me if I'm wrong, calling someone "mentally retarded" falls under.
"...personally attacking you for those aforementioned assumptions". I get annoyed when people insult me for being something I'm not.
You can insult me for being a miserable ******* as much as you want though.
Originally by: Unvisibility
Also, editing someone else's quote, while clearly not intended to be taken as literal truth, falls extremely close to the fallacious methods of straw man arguments.
I'd say it falls closer to satire, albeit really BAD satire.
And as I already said, he did it first, I was merely responding in kind. After all, if he expects it to change someone elses viewpoint surely it would work on him as well? Do unto others and all that jazz.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:15:00 -
[113]
Originally by: BurnHard
Originally by: Nero Scuro
You can't warp scramble at gates and you kill PvP. It's where 99% of PvP happens.
Bingo! The whole game is built around gate camping or gate engagements - it's like you take this super-flexible yoga fanatic and stick a broom pole up it's bottom. That my friend, is a major floor in gate to gate systems of travel and is the major reason this game has so many problem. In almost all other games I know of, camping is considered bad. In Eve, there aren't many alternatives.
Agreed, but that still doesn't change the fact that if you remove the ability to camp a gate you pretty much remove PvP from EVE.
CCP could remove gatecamping altogether for all I care if they removed local too. No local and my trusty scanner and I'd be the happiest wittle piwate ever. Still sucks to be an alliance trying to defend your turf though.
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Kibbler
True North Navy
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:16:00 -
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Quote:
Why dont we get an official CCP responce for this subject? Not only logging off after starting the combat, but this STUPID FRACKING WORD 'logoffski' has to be ended. Who thought of this word? Was he polish? or does it mean skiing down a mountain on a log hopeing you dont fall off? either way it is not a word used by mature people.
I didn't bother to read all 4 pages of this, so if this has been answered, forgive me.
I learnt of the word when I used to fight RA. I think its called 'logoffski' because they were the most notorious for it, hence the russian influence. ;D
At least thats what I think...
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Nero Scuro
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Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:19:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Kibbler
Quote:
Why dont we get an official CCP responce for this subject? Not only logging off after starting the combat, but this STUPID FRACKING WORD 'logoffski' has to be ended. Who thought of this word? Was he polish? or does it mean skiing down a mountain on a log hopeing you dont fall off? either way it is not a word used by mature people.
I didn't bother to read all 4 pages of this, so if this has been answered, forgive me.
I learnt of the word when I used to fight RA. I think its called 'logoffski' because they were the most notorious for it, hence the russian influence. ;D
At least thats what I think...
--Kibb
Yeah, that's the origin of the word. It's still retarded though. What's wrong with just saying 'logoff'? It reminds me of offices when a quote off TV gets popular and everyone goes about saying it non-stop thinking it makes them just as funny and 'wacky' as the person who said it originally.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:20:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Kibbler
Quote:
Why dont we get an official CCP responce for this subject? Not only logging off after starting the combat, but this STUPID FRACKING WORD 'logoffski' has to be ended. Who thought of this word? Was he polish? or does it mean skiing down a mountain on a log hopeing you dont fall off? either way it is not a word used by mature people.
I didn't bother to read all 4 pages of this, so if this has been answered, forgive me.
I learnt of the word when I used to fight RA. I think its called 'logoffski' because they were the most notorious for it, hence the russian influence. ;D
At least thats what I think...
--Kibb
Yeah, that's the origin of the word. It's still retarded though. What's wrong with just saying 'logoff'? It reminds me of offices when a quote off TV gets popular and everyone goes about saying it non-stop thinking it makes them just as funny and 'wacky' as the person who said it originally.
I'm RICK JAMES B*TCH!
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Malicia Skirj
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:28:00 -
[117]
By the way..to clarify my position I'll drop these words.
I don't support either side.
I see most gate camping as a kill with no victory. I said most. I didn't say all. Do you see that? Most. I think it's pretty lame and overly easy. I don't think ANY kind of PvP should be easy. Simple, maybe. Clicking a few buttons. Easy, no. You need to know what buttons to click, when and where. An example would be an MMO I played previously. When it originally came out players were open to PvP from level 75+ and it went by level range below that. i.e. a level 200 could curbstomp a level 75 and the level 75 would have absolutely no chance in hell. The rules have been changed to allow pvp only within a certain level range, now...so a level 75 can be attacked by anyone between level 62-87 for example. Makes it more fairly matched, but it does kinda screw up the 'realistic immersion' of the game so I didn't like that, either.
As for the ones that log off to avoid dying...that screws up the immersion a bit, too, and I think it's as lame as the gate camping, because it's too easy. There are a few other tools that can be used in the place of this, though their a bit harder and not always reliable. Anyone that's been disconnected (really disconnected) would be able to prove the case and petition for whatever gear they may have lost. The rest that use logging off as a way to save themselves some other way.
In short, it's a game, but I'd prefer it be more challenging for the predator and the prey. Pirates are going to have to work for that ISK and that kill they want. Potential victims are going to have to work to evade and save their ships.
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Daddy's Belt
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:30:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Yeah, that's the origin of the word. It's still retarded though. What's wrong with just saying 'logoff'?
"Logoff" is a regular logoff. "Logoffski" is a quick logoff to avoid losses. Of course.
Nero, you should think about these things before you post.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Kibbler
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Why dont we get an official CCP responce for this subject? Not only logging off after starting the combat, but this STUPID FRACKING WORD 'logoffski' has to be ended. Who thought of this word? Was he polish? or does it mean skiing down a mountain on a log hopeing you dont fall off? either way it is not a word used by mature people.
I didn't bother to read all 4 pages of this, so if this has been answered, forgive me.
I learnt of the word when I used to fight RA. I think its called 'logoffski' because they were the most notorious for it, hence the russian influence. ;D
At least thats what I think...
--Kibb
Yeah, that's the origin of the word. It's still retarded though. What's wrong with just saying 'logoff'? It reminds me of offices when a quote off TV gets popular and everyone goes about saying it non-stop thinking it makes them just as funny and 'wacky' as the person who said it originally.
I'm RICK JAMES B*TCH!
I flinched and reached for a stapler with intent to wound there. Reflex action 4tw.
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
It reminds me of offices when a quote off TV gets popular and everyone goes about saying it non-stop thinking it makes them just as funny and 'wacky' as the person who said it originally.
Kind of like this?:
Originally by: Nero Scuro
That seems a bit odd.
Bug much?
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